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2013-02-07 08:09:38 AM
Most interesting part of that to me, is that the Jewish guy knew more about the teaching's of Jesus than her.  Pretty common really, lots of religious people can quote the bible, but it always seems like they have never really sat down and read the whole thing.
 
2013-02-07 08:41:49 AM
That was a very interesting read.  +1
 
2013-02-07 09:40:15 AM

manimal2878: Most interesting part of that to me, is that the Jewish guy knew more about the teaching's of Jesus than her.  Pretty common really, lots of religious people can quote the bible, but it always seems like they have never really sat down and read the whole thing.


In her defense, she grew up in an isolated environment.  All she knew was WBC.  As the article stated, once her eyes were opened she had the opportunity to challenge what she grew up with and she ended up tearing it down.  I give her credit...it takes a strong person to challenge a lifetime of beliefs as well as face isolation from her family as a result.
 
2013-02-07 09:56:35 AM
I'd defile it!
 
2013-02-07 11:18:54 AM
That is an incredibly brave and incredibly hard thing that she has done. Good on her for taking her sister with her.
She could probably write a "insider's perspective" book about WBC and make decent money from it.
 
2013-02-07 11:19:33 AM

slayer199:
In her defense, she grew up in an isolated environment.  All she knew was WBC.  As the article stated, once her eyes were opened she had the opportunity to challenge what she grew up with and she ended up tearing it down.  I give her credit...it takes a strong person to challenge a lifetime of beliefs as well as face isolation from her family as a result.


It's got to be hard to leave EVERYTHING you were taught, your family, your culture. Even if it's hideously twisted, dead wrong and reprehensible, it can't be easy to just walk away from it.
 
2013-02-07 11:25:59 AM
I'm willing to forgive and forget everyone in that horrible organization except the clan leader Fred. In fact, I hope his entire family ends up leaving him to be all alone with his horrible thoughts.
 
2013-02-07 11:28:39 AM

Via Infinito: She could probably write a "insider's perspective" book about WBC and make decent money from it.


I'd buy it. Hell I'd buy two if proceeds went to counter-protests against the rest of the clan.
 
2013-02-07 11:30:41 AM

slayer199: manimal2878: Most interesting part of that to me, is that the Jewish guy knew more about the teaching's of Jesus than her.  Pretty common really, lots of religious people can quote the bible, but it always seems like they have never really sat down and read the whole thing.

In her defense, she grew up in an isolated environment.  All she knew was WBC.  As the article stated, once her eyes were opened she had the opportunity to challenge what she grew up with and she ended up tearing it down.  I give her credit...it takes a strong person to challenge a lifetime of beliefs as well as face isolation from her family as a result.


I wouldn't frame it quite that way, "once her eyes were opened." I would frame it that once a single seed of doubt was planted, it grew until it allowed her to take down that wall of brainwashing she was so accustomed to.
 
2013-02-07 11:43:13 AM
An interesting example of the claim that God allows all sinners to come to Him in their own time.  And if God is real, and her penitence equally real, she should have no problem going to heaven.

Of course, if eggplants were eclairs, then dogs would have no problem swimming in the featherstorm.  Silly nonsense concepts are still silly nonsense concepts.
 
2013-02-07 11:47:07 AM

Kome: slayer199: manimal2878: Most interesting part of that to me, is that the Jewish guy knew more about the teaching's of Jesus than her.  Pretty common really, lots of religious people can quote the bible, but it always seems like they have never really sat down and read the whole thing.

In her defense, she grew up in an isolated environment.  All she knew was WBC.  As the article stated, once her eyes were opened she had the opportunity to challenge what she grew up with and she ended up tearing it down.  I give her credit...it takes a strong person to challenge a lifetime of beliefs as well as face isolation from her family as a result.

I wouldn't frame it quite that way, "once her eyes were opened." I would frame it that once a single seed of doubt was planted, it grew until it allowed her to take down that wall of brainwashing she was so accustomed to.


That's fair
 
2013-02-07 11:49:04 AM
Thinking for oneself is overrated.
 
2013-02-07 11:49:49 AM
"I was a good person then and I'm a good person now!"

That isn't true repentance.

This is just more of the same attention seeking egotism.
 
2013-02-07 11:50:28 AM
PICS OR GTFO?

JC
 
2013-02-07 11:52:16 AM

Albert911emt: Thinking for oneself is overrated.


This
 
2013-02-07 11:54:32 AM
I am bookmarking for future reading
 
2013-02-07 11:54:40 AM

nekom: slayer199:
In her defense, she grew up in an isolated environment.  All she knew was WBC.  As the article stated, once her eyes were opened she had the opportunity to challenge what she grew up with and she ended up tearing it down.  I give her credit...it takes a strong person to challenge a lifetime of beliefs as well as face isolation from her family as a result.

It's got to be hard to leave EVERYTHING you were taught, your family, your culture. Even if it's hideously twisted, dead wrong and reprehensible, it can't be easy to just walk away from it.




Easier than you think.
 
2013-02-07 11:55:52 AM
reminds me of this:
collider.com

also, it must be the new thing to just say someone is cute and link a story with no pics.  you guys keep it totes fresh.
 
2013-02-07 11:56:07 AM
I'd love to see her, some folks from the LDS, and some former Moonies all sit down and have a round table discussion on un-brainwashing.
 
2013-02-07 12:00:30 PM
Apparently supposedly reformed bigot cute < British cute

/lying liar of a subby is going to hell
 
2013-02-07 12:00:51 PM
From TFA:

according to the King James Version that is favored at Westboro

Well, that's not going to help you.  Interpretation of scripture is hard enough, but if you don't speak ancient Greek and Aramaic, at least start with a reasonably correct translation.

OTOH, a reasonably correct translation probably weakens Westboro's arguments.
 
2013-02-07 12:03:03 PM

thecpt: reminds me of this:
[collider.com image 300x463]

also, it must be the new thing to just say someone is cute and link a story with no pics.  you guys keep it totes fresh.


glad im not the only one waiting for a friggin picture.
 
2013-02-07 12:03:15 PM

JoeCowboy: PICS OR GTFO?

JC


She's actually not all that bad on the eyes.

web.mit.edu
 
2013-02-07 12:03:25 PM
"This, of course, assumes that the church's teachings and God's feelings are one and the same. And this, of course, assumes that the church's interpretation of the Bible is infallible, that this much-debated document handed down over the centuries has, in 2013, been processed and understood correctly only by a small band of believers in Topeka. "Now?" Megan says. "That sounds crazy to me.""

It's baffeling to me that more people do not realize this about their own religion.
 
2013-02-07 12:04:07 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: "I was a good person then and I'm a good person now!"

That isn't true repentance.

This is just more of the same attention seeking egotism.


She believed she was doing good in the past, but now recognizes it as just hurting others. She wants to do good now that people actually recognize as helpful. That sounds like a pretty important difference to me.
 
2013-02-07 12:04:22 PM

Albert911emt: Thinking for oneself is overrated.


Who told you that?
 
2013-02-07 12:04:45 PM
I can turn her gay. Gimme one shot, FSM, and she'll be fighting for the LGBT community before the week's out.
 
2013-02-07 12:05:16 PM
Good for her getting out. Maybe more will follow her lead.
 
2013-02-07 12:05:32 PM
She needs more corrupting. Have her bathed and sent to my chambers.
 
2013-02-07 12:08:41 PM

unchellmatt: JoeCowboy: PICS OR GTFO?

JC

She's actually not all that bad on the eyes.


Ummm

She looks like she could be on an Aphex Twin album.
 
2013-02-07 12:08:45 PM

Robert Farker: It's baffeling to me that more people do not realize this about their own religion.


Coming to that realization requires, at minimum, two opposing viewpoints.  The more the merrier, of course, because it allows a wise listener to sift arguments and weigh them against each other.  But you have to start with at least two.

She's only ever had one single viewpoint forced on her, from everybody she was raised to respect.  That she Figured It Out at all is commendable.  We shouldn't expect more of the planet to do it.  :-)

Personally, after having read this, I'm glad I didn't follow through with my original plan of nuking their entire church from low Earth orbit.  It IS the only way to be sure, but perhaps surety isn't required.
 
2013-02-07 12:09:13 PM
Two things.

1.  Welcome to humanity, Megan. I think you'll like it here.

2.  Her descriptions confirm my suspicion that WBC is a cult.
 
2013-02-07 12:09:24 PM
Good on her for abandoning the hate.

But it's still odd that a religion with so many inherent contradictions can cause people to pinball from one interpretation of that religion to another, instead of questioning its basic foundations.
 
2013-02-07 12:11:16 PM
Would be nice if several of her other cousins saw that she and her sister don't get smote and decide to leave the cult themselves.  Then more would see that they don't get smote either... And in a few years all that's left are the original first generation of loony-toons.  Then they die and there will be much rejoicing.

I've been protested by these assholes, and I'm not dead, gay or in the military.  They hate everything.
 
2013-02-07 12:11:31 PM

Ratchet_of_knoxville: She needs more corrupting. Have her bathed and sent to my chambers.


yes... she has a LOT of 'repenting' to do for being such a bad, naughty, naughty girl all these years... perhaps a spanking?
 
2013-02-07 12:14:24 PM
Just wait until she has the epiphany that God is a human creation.
 
2013-02-07 12:15:12 PM

over_and_done: From TFA:

according to the King James Version that is favored at Westboro

Well, that's not going to help you.  Interpretation of scripture is hard enough, but if you don't speak ancient Greek and Aramaic, at least start with a reasonably correct translation.

OTOH, a reasonably correct translation probably weakens Westboro's arguments.


shiat man, I knew two kids growing up who were taught by their minister/preacher that the Bible was originally written in English.

On the woman...  I don't understand people like that (how she used to be).  How can one be so into their church and so militant about God and yet not even capable of reading their own holy book?  Their only exposure is the hours long rants their church leader gives on a single sentence that maybe they have bookmarked and they'll go back later and just read that one passage and nothing more.  How can one be so hardcore into their religion and not be at the least bit curious?
 
2013-02-07 12:15:13 PM

over_and_done: Robert Farker: It's baffeling to me that more people do not realize this about their own religion.

Coming to that realization requires, at minimum, two opposing viewpoints.  The more the merrier, of course, because it allows a wise listener to sift arguments and weigh them against each other.  But you have to start with at least two.

She's only ever had one single viewpoint forced on her, from everybody she was raised to respect.  That she Figured It Out at all is commendable.  We shouldn't expect more of the planet to do it.  :-)

Personally, after having read this, I'm glad I didn't follow through with my original plan of nuking their entire church from low Earth orbit.  It IS the only way to be sure, but perhaps surety isn't required.



That makes somewhat sense for someone who was brought up in the WBC culture or simmilar environment. That doesn't explain everyone else who fails to question their own dogma.
 
2013-02-07 12:16:37 PM
What Fred Phelps runs fits all the definitions of a cult. Yes it is nominally a Baptist church but no other Baptist church wants anything to do with them. Unfortunately there are a lot of isolated congregations like WBC all over the country. Fortunately, most are nowhere near as virulent.
 
2013-02-07 12:17:13 PM
Nice to see that someone in that clan of inbred hate-mongers are learning to think for themselves rather than letting Fred keep spoon-feeding them bullsh*t.

It looks like she realized that everyone else was going to Hell and were denied salvation by God (according to the WBC), that going around telling people they were bound for Hell was pointless and cruel, especially since one of the tenets espoused by God is repentance and forgiveness.I only wish the interviewer had asked her if Fred does all this trolling for the lawsuit cash or if it's because he truly believes the crap he spews. I suspect it's both.
 
2013-02-07 12:17:37 PM
I had a feeling she would be the next one to leave....
 
2013-02-07 12:17:39 PM

Albert911emt: Thinking for oneself is overrated.


That's what I was told.
 
2013-02-07 12:18:09 PM

thecpt: reminds me of this:
[collider.com image 300x463]

also, it must be the new thing to just say someone is cute and link a story with no pics.  you guys keep it totes fresh.


I was thinking more of the book Escape by Carolyn Jessop about the FLDS.
 
2013-02-07 12:18:22 PM
Robert Farker:
That makes somewhat sense for someone who was brought up in the WBC culture or simmilar environment. That doesn't explain everyone else who fails to question their own dogma.

Because to the "senior" members of the church, they know exactly what it's about. They're a litigation family who enjoys tax-free benefits due to having a church status. By indoctrinating the younger generation, they keep the cycle going, except those children will actually believe what they're saying, not just doing it for fun.
 
2013-02-07 12:19:10 PM

megarian: She looks like she could be on an Aphex Twin album.


www.artrocker.tv
 
2013-02-07 12:19:55 PM

CapeFearCadaver: I had a feeling she would be the next one to leave....


She was the first to bring them onto the internet/social media. Once you're exposed to the vile cesspool that is the internet, you begin to question everything.
 
2013-02-07 12:20:56 PM
Nice blog, but perhaps the author could use a larger font?  I could barely read it from across the street.
 
2013-02-07 12:23:13 PM

Delawheredad: What Fred Phelps runs fits all the definitions of a cult.


So does every other religion.
 
2013-02-07 12:24:04 PM

unchellmatt: JoeCowboy: PICS OR GTFO?

She's actually not all that bad on the eyes.

[web.mit.edu image 500x500]


I dunno, she's got a Val Kilmery thing going...
/don't want her as my wingman
JC
 
2013-02-07 12:25:24 PM

choo: megarian: She looks like she could be on an Aphex Twin album.

[www.artrocker.tv image 300x300]




farm5.staticflickr.com
 
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