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2013-02-07 12:01:01 AM  
7 votes:

some_beer_drinker: this is why we can't have nice things. because the gays.


We have nice things because of the gays. We can't hsve nice things because of the Rednecks.
2013-02-07 01:10:44 AM  
5 votes:
Why do these morons always complain about how they don't want to be part of "social engineering?" What the hell do they think they're doing?
2013-02-07 12:11:29 AM  
5 votes:
I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...
2013-02-06 11:55:10 PM  
4 votes:
I readily admit I'm an asshole. That's fairly well-known. But even I have trouble visualizing just how much of an asshole you have to be in order to literally cut off everyone else's fun to target one group of people who are required by law to attend the school you oversee.
2013-02-06 11:46:49 PM  
4 votes:
Lake County might as well be Georgia or Alabama, it's in the "the farther north you go the farther south you are" part of Florida.
2013-02-07 09:14:14 AM  
3 votes:
As  drama club member when I was in school and a drama club sponsor and mentor as an adult, I am getting a kick out of a few of these comments. They remind me of the time our very popular quarterback was dating a very cute girl who decided to break it off so she could date a popular and even cuter drama club boy. I heard a lot of the same kind of commentary from him and his cronies. Seems every time a guy gets the girl, is hot looking and smart... well, he must be gay, according to the BDFJ club (Big Dumb Frat Jock). After all, only someone <b>gay</b> could have 'stolen' their girl. Since then, I always try to remember that anytime I hear guys (yes, it is almost always guys that talk this crap) calling actors gay, it is usually a transference mechanism brought on by the reality of their own lack of success in life, love, and living. Also, as far as those comments that seem to think everyone in a drama club is gay... well, there are some sports figures that are nothing more than wanton thugs... so, every sports player is a gangbanging criminal?

Oh wait......
2013-02-07 05:56:34 AM  
3 votes:
These fools claim gays are bad and yet it is their actions that cause harm to innocent others.

Assholes
2013-02-07 11:30:25 AM  
2 votes:
If a school district can be sued because they allow FCA, 4H, and Drama Club but not a  Gay-Straight Alliance, why can't they be sued because they "...ban all extracurricular clubs as a way to avoid having to approve the formation of a Gay-Straight Alliance"?
2013-02-07 11:08:32 AM  
2 votes:

taurusowner: No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.


Please, by all means, "disagree" all you want.  But when a school district wants to cut all clubs because they would have to let a Gay-Straight Alliance club exist then that is nothing fear of the gays, i.e. homophobia.
2013-02-07 10:53:20 AM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: My fundie brother is terrified of the homosexuals and their radical agenda.  He can't tell you who "they" are or what their exact agenda is, but trust me, he's afraid.

And they said ignorance was bliss.


According to a friend of a friend, there is no "homosexual agenda". Many of them are too classy for that. They have an itinerary.

taurusowner: No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.


"Homophobia" is a term not limited to "fear of homosexuals" (and yes, some people are afraid of them for some ungodly, ignorant reason).

Homophobia: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuals.

I'm so, so sorry for you and any of your children, current or future, that you do not take things like the Merriam-Webster dictionary seriously. You can learn a lot from dictionaries. Unfortunately, you can't learn that the consensual sexual activity of two adults in the privacy of their own home or hotel room is none of your damn business, so it's not your place to "disagree" or "agree" with it. If you don't want to have teh ghey secksay time, then don't. Just do the decent, honorable thing and let others live their lives as they see fit so long as they are not harming others in the process. Is it really so hard to live and let live?

/kinda hoping you're a very good troll
//suspects you'd make an excellent Poe on the religious sites, too
2013-02-07 09:18:04 AM  
2 votes:

I drunk what: truthseeker2083: Yeah, bigots hate when people dare to use the same kind of hate back at them.

i know, christians are such hypocrites, just a bunch of bigots spreading racist hate speech

so hypocritical

we should kill them all, make the world a better place


Awww. So repressed. Maybe when christians stop suggestingcamps, and therapy, and beatings for being gay, we can take on the issue of christian persecution in this country. Stop christians from calling for my death, and maybe then I'll care about what someone on a forum said about killing christians.
2013-02-07 08:44:37 AM  
2 votes:
Here is my theory:  Projection.

The straights don't want to be treated by men the way they treat their women.
2013-02-07 08:08:53 AM  
2 votes:

taurusowner: Circusdog320: taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?

ah..awareness. That there are people in school that are different than you and you don't have to fear them...oh and maybe fewer suicides...how's that?

No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.

Maybe the gay students have some fears about the straight students beating them up and belittling them for being different...did you think about that? I mean it is an alliance.  BTW please show me where I said anyone is afraid of homosexuals. Thanks for playing.
2013-02-07 08:06:32 AM  
2 votes:

taurusowner: No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia"


What's up with all the gay bashing then?

I can post endless clips of prominent christians warning of ruination for our country if we're tolerant of gays. That's not disagreeing, it's outright fear.
2013-02-07 07:27:56 AM  
2 votes:

taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?


To create dialogue and understanding.  To lessen bigotry and discrimination .
2013-02-07 07:15:40 AM  
2 votes:

pheed: [acriticalreviewofthehelp.files.wordpress.com image 300x229]

This kind of BS always reminds of this event from the 60s. The pool owner in the photo would rather dump acid in the pool than allow black people to swim in it. See also: restaurant owners who shut their businesses down so they wouldn't have to serve black customers.


CSB......
My stepdad had hip replacement surgery a few months back. After the surgery, he was transferred to a rehab facility. He struck up a conversation with his roommate, who seemed like a nice fellow at the time. My stepdad discussed his business and asked his roommate (an obviously older gentleman who most likely retired) what he used to do. The roommate's response was......
"I used to own a couple of laundromats in the area ages ago. I kept them open until I was forced to remove my 'Whites Only' sign from the window. After that, I just didn't see a reason to keep them open any longer".
After that, he says he worked for the postal service until retirement. My stepdad decided to do rehab at home from that point on. People always say the 50's and 60's were simpler times. I think people tend to romanticize that past however.
2013-02-07 07:06:55 AM  
2 votes:

sno man: I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...




Good god man. Do you understand the implications of your statement? If you live in Florida, your life may actually be in danger. Florida school boards would fire every single teacher before taking a dime away from a football program.
2013-02-07 06:53:40 AM  
2 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: America: The freedom to be a rich, white, straight

Christian  who oppresses/imprisons/blows up everyone else.

FTFY.
2013-02-07 06:45:48 AM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: 4. You know who else formed an alliance?


Assorted smugglers and criminals throughout the Milky Way after the collapse of the Goa'uld System Lords.
2013-02-07 06:44:01 AM  
2 votes:

hasty ambush: 1.  Why would schools need to be invovled in an "after school" club to begin with? Don't they have enough  during school issues to deal with?

2.  If gays and straights want to have an alliance  why do they need a school sponsorship to do it?

3.  How would this "alliance' support the school curriculum?

4. You know who else formed an alliance?


1. All kids on school property need to be under a teacher's eye or on their way to or from such a state. Any after school club on school grounds needs a teacher there or insurance and parents go apeshiat.

2. They don't. They have a moral obligation to do it in protest of the rules just to fark with the school.

3. Clubs are extra-curricular. By definition they're not involved with the curriculum.

4. The Blacks and the Potters. It was called "The Order of the Phoenix"
2013-02-07 06:28:33 AM  
2 votes:
America: The freedom to be a rich, white, straight Christian.
2013-02-07 05:57:16 AM  
2 votes:

MooseUpNorth: Serious Black: This is definitely really bad, but I don't think it's as bad as cancelling a school's prom because you don't want to invite a lesbian couple, scheduling a private prom and later cancelling it because you STILL don't want to invite that lesbian couple, and then scheduling a fake prom for the lesbian couple and special needs students so the rest of the students can attend a second private prom and brag on Facebook about farking with the lesbian couple afterward. Now if the school later starts providing funds and rooms for private clubs that duplicate all pre-existing school clubs but refuse to do so for the GSA, then yeah, it'll be as bad.

You missed a choice bit of asshattery there.


Ah, yes, I did forget to mention that part. Though TBH, once you've already transcended to supervillain levels of asshattery, there's nowhere else to go except to more powerful supervillains. Maybe they hit the Galactus-level?
2013-02-07 05:50:20 AM  
2 votes:

Serious Black: This is definitely really bad, but I don't think it's as bad as cancelling a school's prom because you don't want to invite a lesbian couple, scheduling a private prom and later cancelling it because you STILL don't want to invite that lesbian couple, and then scheduling a fake prom for the lesbian couple and special needs students so the rest of the students can attend a second private prom and brag on Facebook about farking with the lesbian couple afterward. Now if the school later starts providing funds and rooms for private clubs that duplicate all pre-existing school clubs but refuse to do so for the GSA, then yeah, it'll be as bad.


You missed a choice bit of asshattery there.
2013-02-07 05:44:04 AM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: I readily admit I'm an asshole. That's fairly well-known. But even I have trouble visualizing just how much of an asshole you have to be in order to literally cut off everyone else's fun to target one group of people who are required by law to attend the school you oversee.


This is definitely really bad, but I don't think it's as bad as cancelling a school's prom because you don't want to invite a lesbian couple, scheduling a private prom and later cancelling it because you STILL don't want to invite that lesbian couple, and then scheduling a fake prom for the lesbian couple so the rest of the students can attend a second private prom and brag on Facebook about farking with the lesbian couple afterward. Now if the school later starts providing funds and rooms for private clubs that duplicate all pre-existing school clubs but refuse to do so for the GSA, then yeah, it'll be as bad.
2013-02-07 04:19:07 AM  
2 votes:
The ol' "I'm gonna take my ball and go home" ploy. Stay classy Florida.
2013-02-07 12:28:07 AM  
2 votes:

sno man: MaudlinMutantMollusk: sno man: I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...

Take care, Northerner... you tread dangerous ground

So that's a no then?


Well, actually I was thinking it might be interpreted as an example of a pre-existing after-school Gay-Straight Alliance club, and that would just raise ALL kinds of hell
2013-02-07 12:04:44 AM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: I readily admit I'm an asshole. That's fairly well-known. But even I have trouble visualizing just how much of an asshole you have to be in order to literally cut off everyone else's fun to target one group of people who are required by law to attend the school you oversee.


There's a long tradition of this in Florida. A while back some school district, I forget which one, threatened to cancel the day off for Good Friday after Muslim parents asked if the district could give kids a day off for Eid as well. Since the district knew that they didn't have a leg to stand on, equal protection wise, by specifically giving one religious holiday off and not another, they were just going to cancel all of it. The Muslim parents responded with a more diplomatic version of, "No, you dumbasses, we asked for this but don't take away other people's ability to practice their religion just because you don't like us, just give them Good Friday back and we'll forget this ever happened."
2013-02-07 12:00:39 AM  
2 votes:
Uh, you've already got a Drama Club...
2013-02-07 03:11:21 PM  
1 votes:

I drunk what: Joe Blowme: Well, since they are going to do it any way....

do middle school kids have sex?

we should make a sex club for them too


You should really stop posting, you are sounding more and more ignorant with each post.
2013-02-07 12:31:40 PM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: Circusdog320: taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?

ah..awareness. That there are people in school that are different than you and you don't have to fear them...oh and maybe fewer suicides...how's that?

No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.


1) Phobia means aversion to, not fear of, 2) Plenty of people really do fear gay people.

But OK, we'll play your game. We'll call it what it is. It's bigotry.
2013-02-07 12:03:54 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Real Women Drink Akvavit: consensual sexual activity of two adults

But i thought TFA was about middle school  and high school clubs? You know... kids.


The article was. The person I was responding to apparently "disagrees" with homosexual activity of any kind, or they would not have used the phrase "disagreeing with homosexual activity" in their post. That's what I was addressing, that it is not their place to either agree or disagree with such things in the first place.

Sorry if I didn't phrase it as well as I should have, but I thought quoting the person I was responding to would be enough to make that clear.

/parents are ESL, so I have a slight disadvantage in the language department
2013-02-07 11:05:31 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: 1. Why would schools need to be invovled in an "after school" club to begin with? Don't they have enough during school issues to deal with?


Did you go to an actual high school or were you home schooled?
2013-02-07 10:45:20 AM  
1 votes:

Proteios1: Why is it the responsibility of the school to have clubs? I socialized with friends after school. W had common interests. We didn't need the schools approval to play sports, board games, or have sex clubs. Why is school in the equation at all anyways?


Take a look at the article.This is about school sponsored clubs, not socalizing with people outside of school.
2013-02-07 10:43:14 AM  
1 votes:

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i129.photobucket.com image 160x120]


And nothing of value was lost.
2013-02-07 10:35:34 AM  
1 votes:
Back in the 60s my grandmother, a Florida resident, marched with MLK. Know how her Christian neighbors responded? They killed her cats and attacked a couple of her older kids. My father had to put on his National Guard uniform, come down from Texas, and cross through an angry mob so he could pick up his baby sister to take her to her father's house up in Illinois. Apparently good Christian citizens called him and his mother race traitors while they'd spit upon him, in his military uniform mind you, just because he was there to literally rescue his 6 year old sister from a bunch of crazies.
2013-02-07 10:28:02 AM  
1 votes:
Haters gonna hate.
2013-02-07 10:24:25 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Mikey: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i129.photobucket.com image 160x120]

"Take it away, South America!"

/ cartoon reminds me of childhood
// grew up in Florida
/// it isn't the State... it's the people, as in it has too many, and too many of them are ignorant


Not so I've noticed. In fact, the bigoted morans tend to live in the less populous areas, more than in urban hubs like Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa, and Orlando. I mean, sure, they're there too, but in general, the more dense the population...

*puts on sunglasses dramatically*

The less dense the people.
2013-02-07 10:08:56 AM  
1 votes:

I drunk what: truthseeker2083: Awww. So repressed.


So what about all the christians calling for death aand encampment of gay people? Where is the response to that? Oh thats right, you're either a bigot or a troll and can't respond to that. Bye thread-shiatter.
2013-02-07 09:49:26 AM  
1 votes:

I drunk what: Serious Black: Marcus Aurelius: taurusowner: No one is afraid

taurusowner: Circusdog320: taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?

ah..awareness. That there are people in school that are different than you and you don't have to fear them...oh and maybe fewer suicides...how's that?

No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.

My fundie brother is terrified of the homosexuals and their radical agenda.  He can't tell you who "they" are or what their exact agenda is, but trust me, he's afraid.

And they said ignorance was bliss.

Did anybody else notice that he hasn't posted since I cited a link to a forum that includes several hundred comments about how gay is contagious?

my girlfriend who lives in Canada has a brother who is terrified of gays, it's because of his fundamentalism beliefs in christianity, which is he hate black people and votes for republicans after he joined the tea party

he is such a hypocrite cuz he says he doesn't want the government to interfere with our lives yet when it comes to pro-choice he thinks the govt. should control women's vaginas

such a conservitard, i wish he could just admit that he is afraid of homosexuals and admit that is why he is such a racist bigot who love to spread hate speech and instigate HATE crimes


a bigot complaining about bigots.... Priceless
2013-02-07 09:27:34 AM  
1 votes:

payattention: As  drama club member when I was in school and a drama club sponsor and mentor as an adult, I am getting a kick out of a few of these comments. They remind me of the time our very popular quarterback was dating a very cute girl who decided to break it off so she could date a popular and even cuter drama club boy. I heard a lot of the same kind of commentary from him and his cronies. Seems every time a guy gets the girl, is hot looking and smart... well, he must be gay, according to the BDFJ club (Big Dumb Frat Jock). After all, only someone <b>gay</b> could have 'stolen' their girl. Since then, I always try to remember that anytime I hear guys (yes, it is almost always guys that talk this crap) calling actors gay, it is usually a transference mechanism brought on by the reality of their own lack of success in life, love, and living. Also, as far as those comments that seem to think everyone in a drama club is gay... well, there are some sports figures that are nothing more than wanton thugs... so, every sports player is a gangbanging criminal?

Oh wait......


If they play for the Oakland Raiders, they're OG. The fans are the bangers.

*flashes 18th St Boyz 'friendship/love' gang sign, yo* (it's the only one I know that won't get me shot if I flash it at one of them as I'm not a banger chick)
2013-02-07 09:25:06 AM  
1 votes:

truthseeker2083: Awww. So repressed.


3.bp.blogspot.com

nomtaunts.com
2013-02-07 09:23:09 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: No one is afraid


taurusowner: Circusdog320: taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?

ah..awareness. That there are people in school that are different than you and you don't have to fear them...oh and maybe fewer suicides...how's that?

No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.


My fundie brother is terrified of the homosexuals and their radical agenda.  He can't tell you who "they" are or what their exact agenda is, but trust me, he's afraid.

And they said ignorance was bliss.
2013-02-07 09:18:44 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: So followup question....where did the issue of a high school students sexual activity become the topic for a school sanctioned club?


That isn't the purpose of the gay-straight alliance network at all. They're budding little activists and do quite a bit more than discuss safe sex, the only thing I've ever heard them discuss that was of a sexual nature. If they were doing the secksay talk, they were not doing it at one of their meetings.

My son's BFF from kindergarten came out as bisexual in H.S. (I don't think he had a choice when he did - you know how H.S. kids can be), so he joined the GSA to support his friend. I'd go to some of the after school meetings if I had the day off, bring snacks with me for all the kids and then just melt into the background. If I couldn't be there, I'd make sure someone else (my sis, a couple friends, whatevs) WAS there. When a kid first comes out like that, it tends to rile up the bigoted elements in the school and they start targeting all the LGBT kids more aggressively for a while afterward, sometimes being joined by their parents in assorted shenanigans. So we were a deterrent more than anything to prevent actual physical attacks on the GSA kids by the asshats. In other words - I've been to a LOT of those meetings and they were never about who "scored" and with whom, or who among the bigots is a closet case and will give you a hummer in the bathroom while pretending to be drunk or whatever.
2013-02-07 09:05:33 AM  
1 votes:
i129.photobucket.com
2013-02-07 09:02:31 AM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: taurusowner: So followup question....where did the issue of a high school students sexual activity become the topic for a school sanctioned club?

When GOPers decided that gays don't have rights.


hmm sounds familiar

digitaljournal.com
2013-02-07 09:02:01 AM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: biglot: Hang in there, gays. You probly' only have to put up with these nutters for about another generation, or so.

Judging by bigoted reactions by a significant portion of America to a black president, I'd say we have a lot longer to wait than a single generation.


Bingo. What's particularly disturbing to me is that the more bigoted or extremist someone is, the more they seem to reproduce. This gives them yet another generation to carry on their "values" and views - and a disproportionately large one compared to the rest of the population. Not all of their kids will adhere to their views, of course, but enough will that it's incredibly disturbing.

Things like this are also why my Scandi relatives don't consider the US to be a "civilized" country when it comes to social issues. They never hear about the good stuff when it comes to social issues, only instances of rampaging asshats trying to act like they're civilized, decent folk when obviously they've got a long way to go in that area. It's not until they actually come to visit us California-dwelling family members that they see many of us do just fine around one another, regardless of religion or race or country of origin. Still, they do have a point about the lack of proper, civilized behavior in the US among a significant portion of the population. Thank the gods and goddesses I live in California because I can't imagine trying to explain to them "that's in no way indicative of the way many, if not most of us, actually feel" if I were in the deep South or Floriduh (which is its own category) and they bumped into it head on.
2013-02-07 09:00:57 AM  
1 votes:
IANALIRL, but isn't threatening to do away with all of the groups rather than comply with the law illegal in the first place?  I seem to remember stories of counties refusing to either have marriages for anybody or fund public schools rather than integrate and the courts pretty much said, "nice try, assholes."  Of course that was back when we had the decency not to try and publicly politically pack the courts with mouth-breathing Neanderthals, but shouldn't it still apply.
2013-02-07 08:50:56 AM  
1 votes:

I drunk what: abb3w: Complaints by politicians about "social engineering" piss me off. Politics is about making choices that shape the society; it's ALWAYS going to be social engineering. The only question is what the design goals are.

less hate speech, duh



everyone knows that, unless you are one of them racist religious homophobic bigots

all christians must die

/and then boycott their businesses


Yeah, bigots hate when people dare to use the same kind of hate back at them.
2013-02-07 08:49:34 AM  
1 votes:

Yogimus: Here is my theory:  Projection.

The straights don't want to be treated by men the way they treat their women.


That's actually an interesting theory.  I'm sure some sort of gender role issues are a big part of this.
2013-02-07 08:47:41 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Uh, you've already got a Drama Club...

Mugato: They don't have a glee club or girl's basketball?

Old Man Winter: Didn't the article say they already have a Drama Club?  Now the deviants want two clubs?

kukukupo: Don't they already have a drama or glee club?  Sounds like some assholes wanted two clubs because they feel special.


Come on now, it was just as clever each time they copied it from the last person that said it. this is Fark, you can't expect original thought here.
2013-02-07 08:47:05 AM  
1 votes:

I drunk what: abb3w: Complaints by politicians about "social engineering" piss me off. Politics is about making choices that shape the society; it's ALWAYS going to be social engineering. The only question is what the design goals are.

less hate speech, duh

[p.twimg.com image 600x448]

everyone knows that, unless you are one of them racist religious homophobic bigots

all christians must die

/and then boycott their businesses


You're not even a funny troll. I had you farkied as "Bevet-s-lite" and marked in red, but now you just fill up my page with your shiat.

/plonk
2013-02-07 08:46:06 AM  
1 votes:

kukukupo: Don't they already have a drama or glee club?  Sounds like some assholes wanted two clubs because they feel special.


Can't there be a gay-straight alliance without all the gay singing and dancing?
2013-02-07 08:40:43 AM  
1 votes:

biglot: Hang in there, gays. You probly' only have to put up with these nutters for about another generation, or so.


Judging by bigoted reactions by a significant portion of America to a black president, I'd say we have a lot longer to wait than a single generation.
2013-02-07 08:30:21 AM  
1 votes:
Complaints by politicians about "social engineering" piss me off. Politics is about making choices that shape the society; it's ALWAYS going to be social engineering. The only question is what the design goals are.
2013-02-07 08:18:29 AM  
1 votes:

sno man: I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...


School Board members Bill Mathias, Debbie Stivender and Chairwoman Kyleen Fischer spoke in favor of a rule that would ban extra-curricular clubs in secondary schools while fellow board members Tod Howard and Rosanne Brandeburg favored banning extra-curricular clubs only in middle schools.

I think this is why those two only want to ban extra-curricular clubs in middle school because they realize that also banning them in high schools will mean banning sports also.
2013-02-07 08:12:19 AM  
1 votes:
Who could have a problem with all-accepting groups at a school?
Not like exclusionary singe race/religion groups

screw florida, you get exactly what you deserve
2013-02-07 08:03:06 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: StaleCoffee: afraid of catching the gay

Cite this.


You got it.
2013-02-07 07:53:20 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Wow, that's mature. I thought people grew out of the "I'm taking my ball and going home." phase.


Not really. They just grow up to be Republicans.
2013-02-07 07:52:09 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: Circusdog320: taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?

ah..awareness. That there are people in school that are different than you and you don't have to fear them...oh and maybe fewer suicides...how's that?

No one is afraid of homosexuals. That's a fallacy that makes any argument erroneous from the get go. Disagreement is not fear. Assuming or pretending it is is just plain stupid and disingenuous. Same thing with "homophobia". Disagreeing with homosexual activity is not a clinically diagnosed phobia. Anyone who uses that term loses the right to be taken seriously.


This isn't disagreement, it's prejudice. If they weren't afraid of catching the gay and had a simple disagreement then a massively over the top response engineered to fark over the students and drop the social blame on the group they hate and fear would be replaced with a grumbling dialogue as they signed in the club.
2013-02-07 07:47:52 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: So followup question....where did the issue of a high school students sexual activity become the topic for a school sanctioned club?


The fisrt time a school had a dance.
2013-02-07 07:46:53 AM  
1 votes:
What part of the bible demands that christians be idiots?

They're just going to face legal action by doing this too.
2013-02-07 07:43:56 AM  
1 votes:
Hang in there, gays. You probly' only have to put up with these nutters for about another generation, or so.
2013-02-07 07:32:16 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: Serious question. What is the purpose of the Gay-Straight Alliance?


ah..awareness. That there are people in school that are different than you and you don't have to fear them...oh and maybe fewer suicides...how's that?
2013-02-07 07:20:44 AM  
1 votes:
This has got to be one of the most backwards asinine things I've heard in my life.

The school board members who are against this club should have to pay every nickel of any lawsuit out of their pockets AND should have to help in some way with the club.
2013-02-07 07:20:30 AM  
1 votes:
Wow, those gay students are really scaring that school board, aren't they? Do they think gay-ness will rub off on the straight students?
2013-02-07 07:05:34 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: That sounds about right.  Can't very well allow equality, so toss everything instead!  It's the smart thing to do.


*sniff....sniff*

Do I smell 'unanticipated consequences' surrounding this?


/ or whatever the phrase is meaning "Not having thought their cunning plan all the way through."
2013-02-07 06:56:46 AM  
1 votes:
hasty ambush:

4. You know who else formed an alliance?

Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy?
2013-02-07 06:43:39 AM  
1 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: America: The freedom to be a rich, white, straight Christian.


Well said.
2013-02-07 06:37:53 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: 1.  Why would schools need to be invovled in an "after school" club to begin with? Don't they have enough  during school issues to deal with?

2.  If gays and straights want to have an alliance  why do they need a school sponsorship to do it?

3.  How would this "alliance' support the school curriculum?

4. You know who else formed an alliance?


1 and 2 have similar answers: te clubs want to use school property an resources, thus the connection.
2013-02-07 06:36:22 AM  
1 votes:
This reminds me of what happened in my home town as a kid. The local fundamentalists complained to the school board about the Halloween parties being held in the elementary schools. Per their complaint, the parties were "celebrating Satan" or something like that, this wanted them banned. The school board's solution was quite the fark you; they banned all religion related parties. No Easter near spring break, no Christmas or even "holidays" parties just before winter break.

Halloween and holiday parties returned a few years later once the point was made.
2013-02-07 06:31:27 AM  
1 votes:
acriticalreviewofthehelp.files.wordpress.com

This kind of BS always reminds of this event from the 60s. The pool owner in the photo would rather dump acid in the pool than allow black people to swim in it. See also: restaurant owners who shut their businesses down so they wouldn't have to serve black customers.
2013-02-07 06:26:52 AM  
1 votes:
America would be better if the gays just left Leesburg..,and then the town was nuked from orbit.
2013-02-07 06:25:21 AM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Uh, you've already got a Drama Club...


Mugato: They don't have a glee club or girl's basketball?


Old Man Winter: Didn't the article say they already have a Drama Club?  Now the deviants want two clubs?


kukukupo: Don't they already have a drama or glee club?  Sounds like some assholes wanted two clubs because they feel special.

2013-02-07 06:16:16 AM  
1 votes:

rynthetyn: Somacandra: I readily admit I'm an asshole. That's fairly well-known. But even I have trouble visualizing just how much of an asshole you have to be in order to literally cut off everyone else's fun to target one group of people who are required by law to attend the school you oversee.

There's a long tradition of this in Florida. A while back some school district, I forget which one, threatened to cancel the day off for Good Friday after Muslim parents asked if the district could give kids a day off for Eid as well. Since the district knew that they didn't have a leg to stand on, equal protection wise, by specifically giving one religious holiday off and not another, they were just going to cancel all of it. The Muslim parents responded with a more diplomatic version of, "No, you dumbasses, we asked for this but don't take away other people's ability to practice their religion just because you don't like us, just give them Good Friday back and we'll forget this ever happened."


There may have been others, but Broward School District was one. Man, those people at the hearing were terrible. I love this quote from the article here:

She also noted that from 2007 to 2013, Broward schools were closed every Good Friday, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and 80 percent of the time for Hanukkah and 50 percent of the time for Passover, even though they are not federal holidays.

"It seems like they're giving special rights to Islam," Tea Party protestor Scott McNeeds told WPEC outside the meeting. "That's how politics works, things happen gradually."


images4.alphacoders.com
2013-02-07 06:05:10 AM  
1 votes:
ACLU: "You must show equal treatment under the law"

Lake County School Board: " Your absolutely right. From now on No more clubs for anyone. Yeah, for equality!!"

Well played Florida school. Well played.
2013-02-07 06:04:56 AM  
1 votes:
<i>Fischer said the district should focus on education and that "social engineering" is not the job of the School Board. "It is not our job to socially mentor students, but to educate them," she said.</i>

Except healthy social development is an aspect of education to create well-adjusted, collaborative students able to work with the widest variety of people. No matter what you do, you will have an influence on social development, whether partitioning students from one another or showing disfavor to a certain group of students. Let me guess, Mrs. Fischer, you have no experience in education?
2013-02-07 05:51:47 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Somacandra: I readily admit I'm an asshole. That's fairly well-known. But even I have trouble visualizing just how much of an asshole you have to be in order to literally cut off everyone else's fun to target one group of people who are required by law to attend the school you oversee.

This is definitely really bad, but I don't think it's as bad as cancelling a school's prom because you don't want to invite a lesbian couple, scheduling a private prom and later cancelling it because you STILL don't want to invite that lesbian couple, and then scheduling a fake prom for the lesbian couple so the rest of the students can attend a second private prom and brag on Facebook about farking with the lesbian couple afterward. Now if the school later starts providing funds and rooms for private clubs that duplicate all pre-existing school clubs but refuse to do so for the GSA, then yeah, it'll be as bad.


Aren't we missing a larger point? Prom sucks. After school programs generally suck.... I think they're just trying to protect those poor gay kids.

/kidding
//seriously, these people blow.
2013-02-07 05:48:33 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: I don't think it's as bad as cancelling a school's prom because you don't want to invite a lesbian couple, scheduling a private prom and later cancelling it because you STILL don't want to invite that lesbian couple, and then scheduling a fake prom for the lesbian couple so the rest of the students can attend a second private prom and brag on Facebook about farking with the lesbian couple afterward.


I remember that story. I was surprised the judge involved in the legal case didn't just utterly lose their shiat on the bench with all the shenanigans the school pulled.
2013-02-07 03:48:54 AM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: some_beer_drinker: this is why we can't have nice things. because the gays.

We have nice things because of the gays. We can't have nice things because of the Rednecks.


ftfy. Indeed .
2013-02-07 02:11:42 AM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Last year, 14-year-old Bayli Silberstein tried to start a Gay-Straight Alliance at Carver Middle School in Leesburg.

Bayli Silberstein

Bayli

[weirdthings.com image 500x265]


No worse than Trig, Track, Truck, Willow, Pillow, or Brillo.
2013-02-07 12:48:17 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: That sounds about right.  Can't very well allow equality, so toss everything instead!  It's the smart thing to do.


Bonus - you get to make the group you were excluding in the first place into the "bad guy".
2013-02-07 12:45:48 AM  
1 votes:
That sounds about right.  Can't very well allow equality, so toss everything instead!  It's the smart thing to do.
2013-02-07 12:29:56 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: sno man: MaudlinMutantMollusk: sno man: I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...

Take care, Northerner... you tread dangerous ground

So that's a no then?

Well, actually I was thinking it might be interpreted as an example of a pre-existing after-school Gay-Straight Alliance club, and that would just raise ALL kinds of hell


I think your version is fabulous. Lets go with that.
2013-02-07 12:24:58 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: sno man: I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...

Take care, Northerner... you tread dangerous ground


So that's a no then?
2013-02-07 12:22:40 AM  
1 votes:
Wow, that's mature. I thought people grew out of the "I'm taking my ball and going home." phase.
2013-02-07 12:12:54 AM  
1 votes:

sno man: I wonder if the football teams fall into the whole after school thing here...


Take care, Northerner... you tread dangerous ground
2013-02-07 12:04:58 AM  
1 votes:
From the Orlando Sentinel: Howard said he was worried about the clubs that would be lost under stricter rules. "I am very concerned that one club would push out the remainder of the clubs that are doing good things," he said.

Tod Howard says its gay kids' fault for applying to be a club in the first place. Mr. Howard seems to think that he has no moral responsibility to be accountable for his actions in eliminating these school clubs, even though he is proposing to do it.

i.imgur.com

I think the school board may be filling up my own list here:
2013-02-06 11:55:24 PM  
1 votes:
this is why we can't have nice things. because the gays.
 
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