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(Daily Mail)   German neurologist claims to have found the area of the brain where evil lurks in killers, rapists and robbers. This is not a movie plot   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 27
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2013-02-06 10:06:30 PM  
4 votes:
Please, please don't let this turn into the lobotomy of the 21st century.

Neuroscience along with quantum physics is one of the most mis-understood areas among laymen yet people treat it like magic.  Combine that with scientifically-illiterate legislators and you have a tragedy waiting to happen.
2013-02-06 10:39:09 PM  
2 votes:
A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

B) It is more than likely that some people do not feel sympathetic reactions to human pain, and that this is an inborn trait. It probably does correlate highly to the rates of criminal activity a person will commit in their lifetime. It is, however, never going to be more than a high correlation, and expect the correlation to not be anywhere near as high on a large scale, because society already handles this by basically saying 'behave or we throw your ass in jail'.
2013-02-06 09:57:36 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."


No no NO...  That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.  People will use it as an excuse to both commit violence and as a reason to punish the innocent.  

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.
2013-02-06 08:23:13 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-02-07 10:19:11 AM  
1 votes:
In the areas of the brain where we create compassion and sorrow, nothing happened.
 
He should run this test on rape-rape Republicans.
2013-02-07 01:34:27 AM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key

does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler


I suppose he could ride a bike if he wanted to, his *IS* a god... it's sort of "where does the gorilla sit" sort of a question. What he does is encourage good bike works. You do things to help others. Wrench on their bikes, give them bikes or parts, help people out while out on rides and you do it for the purpose of helping them. You do it because you want to see more people riding a bike. So, you earn up points for your good bike works and when you want/need something you ask Biki for it and if you have enough credits you get it. Simple =D
2013-02-07 12:13:37 AM  
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.


Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move
2013-02-06 11:45:23 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.

Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.


You don't need to rephrase. You're obviously talking about moral relativism. Sam Harris addresses the science of morality directly in his books, and there's a plethora of moral realists from Plato to Boyd who explain why moral ambiguity is meaningless. We can measure it in absolute terms--x is morally wrong, true or not--or through a sort of hybridization with negative utility (two murders is twice as bad as one), but whatever our method, it is measurable.
2013-02-06 11:44:52 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, I see a methodological problem.

This guy was studying German brains. He found that German murderers' brains are evil and uncaring.

But all Germans are evil and uncaring.

Basically he invented a test to detect Germans.
2013-02-06 11:41:35 PM  
1 votes:
Making a claim like that takes a lot of gall.
www.skepdic.com
2013-02-06 10:55:09 PM  
1 votes:

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


Bullshiat.

The environment won't add to, or take away, anything not already in the genes. We've seen this in animals AND humans, but any time you mention "genes" and "humans" in the same sentence, the pussy patrol screams "racism/NAZI!!!!!".

Try to train a working dog from a shiatty line, or no line. While it is possible to find some random dog with the genetic material to do the work, the odds improve dramatically when you source dogs from proven lines. Same thing with race horses / dogs / bulls etc...


Capabilities and limitations are all in the genes, and it is the environment that allows an organism to exhibit them.
2013-02-06 10:30:28 PM  
1 votes:
To all those discussing The Shadow, Kent Allard, Lamont Cranston, et. al., I say this:

"Paging Dr. Clark Savage Jr, paging Dr. Clark Savage Jr..."

/Remember Doc's Crime College?
2013-02-06 10:29:13 PM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

impressive, tell me more...........
2013-02-06 10:20:44 PM  
1 votes:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.


No, you'll only anger it further!
2013-02-06 10:10:35 PM  
1 votes:
finally a solution to end all evil
2013-02-06 10:10:12 PM  
1 votes:
What they should have said is:  "Some people have a malfunctioning part of their brain that makes them overly aggressive and/or unable to exercise impulse control, and we can see when this part is not working properly with a brain scan"

...which is why most people are bored by science I guess.

The reasons people commit crimes are wide and varied... you cant just pinpoint that to one thing.
2013-02-06 10:09:05 PM  
1 votes:

rev. dave: You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


That's at about the  Daily Mail level of scientific precision and accuracy.
2013-02-06 10:04:51 PM  
1 votes:

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."


No no NO...  That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.  People will use it as an excuse to both commit violence and as a reason to punish the innocent.  

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


Stating it is either completely black or white, one way or the other, sounds more like ideology than science.
2013-02-06 09:14:18 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?


Yup, count on the Germans to identify evil.
2013-02-06 08:54:13 PM  
1 votes:

The Muthaship: Don't want to spoil it for you, but I saw this on Law&Order.  Turns out it's bullsh*t.


The medical documentary Law&Order?
2013-02-06 08:30:53 PM  
1 votes:
Nur der Schatten weiß
2013-02-06 08:30:35 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?


That Doctor Krieger *is* incorrigible, isn't he?
2013-02-06 08:30:04 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?



Maybe because the headline says "German neurologist claims to have found the area of the brain where evil lurks in killers, rapists and robbers"?


/Just a guess


;-)
2013-02-06 08:28:54 PM  
1 votes:
No mention of a peer-reviewed study, yet he asserts:

'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

I also admire the precision.
2013-02-06 08:18:44 PM  
1 votes:
How'd I know he'd be German?
2013-02-06 08:13:37 PM  
1 votes:
The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.
2013-02-06 07:12:51 PM  
1 votes:
Beware, tfa is Godwinned.
 
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