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(Daily Mail)   German neurologist claims to have found the area of the brain where evil lurks in killers, rapists and robbers. This is not a movie plot   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-02-07 02:17:28 AM  
And on a related note, for those interested in forensic science and history, I am currently reading and enjoying this :
http://www.amazon.com/Killer-Little-Shepherds-Forensic-Scienc e/dp/0307 279081
The main scientist he follows spent time arguing against the "criminal physical type" belief pushed by the Italian school, led by Lombroso.
 
2013-02-07 02:34:13 AM  
"lower forehead brain"?

I didn't know Dr. Nick wrote for the Daily Fail.
 
2013-02-07 03:32:09 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-07 04:28:47 AM  

MugatoMugato: Baron Harkonnen: It's ok to be racist against black people? No, only Germans? Then carry on.

German isn't a race.


Aryan?
 
2013-02-07 06:40:51 AM  

Glancing Blow: No mention of a peer-reviewed study, yet he asserts:

'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

I also admire the precision.


Nouveau Phrenology, how does it work?
 
2013-02-07 07:00:30 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.


Guess what?

There's going to be a region of the brain dedicated to anything anyone thinks about a lot.

And those things we all need to do, like talking and walking, come pre-programed.
 
2013-02-07 07:25:03 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key

does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler

I suppose he could ride a bike if he wanted to, his *IS* a god... it's sort of "where does the gorilla sit" sort of a question. What he does is encourage good bike works. You do things to help others. Wrench on their bikes, give them bikes or parts, help people out while out on rides and you do it for the purpose of helping them. You do it because you want to see more people riding a bike. So, you earn up points for your good bike works and when you want/need something you ask Biki for it and if you have enough credits you get it. Simple =D


i bought chum lee a bike, i wanna be part owner
 
2013-02-07 07:48:02 AM  
What about finding and destroying the wholly and totally corrupt gene? That would make a big difference to life as we know it.
 
2013-02-07 07:59:12 AM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
Not my world.
 
2013-02-07 08:06:40 AM  

biglot: What about finding and destroying the wholly and totally corrupt gene? That would make a big difference to life as we know it.


you mean take MDMA every day for the rest of your life>>>
 
2013-02-07 08:26:00 AM  
nice try submitard, but all real scientists know that free will is illusion and that concurently we are all merely puppets of Naturedidit ipso facto therefore there is no such thing as good or evil visa vi

QED
QFT
 
2013-02-07 08:31:27 AM  
Reminds me of Frankenhooker.  I had forgotten about the drill scene, Yeesh!
 
2013-02-07 08:47:27 AM  
He must have done this study overseas because no one that speaks German could be an evil man
 
2013-02-07 08:53:33 AM  
Anne Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Oh you did Nazi that coming? Maybe you need to Concentrate harder instead of being an Auschwitz head. Burkinow go get me a drink, I'd like some orange Jews and a genocide of antiacid, i have terrible gas.
 
2013-02-07 09:07:54 AM  
s17.postimage.org
 
2013-02-07 09:10:46 AM  
Mmmmm lobotomy girl.


www.ivancheam.com
 
2013-02-07 09:25:15 AM  
The first he classifies as 'psychologically healthy,' people who grow up in an environment where it is 'OK to beat, steal and murder'.

And, those are the "healthy" ones?!
 
2013-02-07 09:26:46 AM  

Smallberries: Can we DRILL IT OUT?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-07 09:28:56 AM  
It was back to the drawing board after the skull measurement thing failed.
 
2013-02-07 09:29:28 AM  

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."

No no NO... That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.



We must suppress the truth!  It's for our own good!
 
2013-02-07 09:31:00 AM  

RobSeace: The first he classifies as 'psychologically healthy,' people who grow up in an environment where it is 'OK to beat, steal and murder'.

And, those are the "healthy" ones?!


it's not their fault, they are the victims

all of their actions are perfectly natural, just like granola bars :)
 
2013-02-07 10:19:11 AM  
In the areas of the brain where we create compassion and sorrow, nothing happened.
 
He should run this test on rape-rape Republicans.
 
2013-02-07 10:20:55 AM  
The neurologist in question:

stuffpoint.com
 
2013-02-07 11:24:08 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key

does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler

I suppose he could ride a bike if he wanted to, his *IS* a god... it's sort of "where does the gorilla sit" sort of a question. What he does is encourage good bike works. You do things to help others. Wrench on their bikes, give them bikes or parts, help people out while out on rides and you do it for the purpose of helping them. You do it because you want to see more people riding a bike. So, you earn up points for your good bike works and when you want/need something you ask Biki for it and if you have enough credits you get it. Simple =D

i bought chum lee a bike, i wanna be part owner


And I wanna go bone my 9th grade geometry teacher, alas our desires and our results often don't cross paths =(

\Good God Ms Ellis was hot!
 
2013-02-07 11:27:15 AM  
Came looking for Leo with the skull in Django.

/not disappointed.
 
2013-02-07 12:12:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: 'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

Is this a bad mistranslation, or does this "respected German neurologist" think that there's actually a region known as the "lower forehead brain"??

Because I'm just a lawyer, and even I know there's no such place. There's not even a "lower forebrain" so he can't even claim that's what he meant.


If you're just a LAWYER you should be able to differentiate in the only skill you espouse to your clients the ability to READ and DIFFERENTIATE:  lower forehead brain (TFA) =/= lower forebrain (your mistake)

How about you add something more to society than intentional obfuscation, you parasite!
 
2013-02-07 01:13:43 PM  

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.

I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.

That's true, but applying science to morality is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. If this sort of study needs to be done, it would be better to try and correlate behavior to cause without going into morality.


If you define morality as the set of choices and mental attitudes that lead to a more stable and prosperous civilization (or a similar definition), then morality is absolutely quantifiable and a valid topic for scientific study. Sure, it would be difficult, but science is conceivably capable of measuring the sociological effects of varying ethos.

If on the other hand you define morality as the system of thought and actions you must adhere to in order to gain access to the happy afterlife in the clouds, well then science is SOL in measuring how effective that is.
 
2013-02-07 01:43:51 PM  
Hitlercampus?
 
2013-02-07 02:00:27 PM  

reimanr06: If you define morality as the set of choices and mental attitudes that lead to a more stable and prosperous civilization (or a similar definition), then morality is absolutely quantifiable and a valid topic for scientific study. Sure, it would be difficult, but science is conceivably capable of measuring the sociological effects of varying ethos.

If on the other hand you define morality as the system of thought and actions you must adhere to in order to gain access to the happy afterlife in the clouds, well then science is SOL in measuring how effective that is.


Well, yes, but the problem is that the field of theology, which gets to define stuff like that, can't settle down and agree on that definition, or any other. So calling it 'morality' would basically be a giant middle finger to theology, religion, atheism, etc.. Science is not actually supposed to do that.

 Uchiha_Cycliste:

Well, no, I mean that there  is no good\evil part of the brain. A part of the brain regulating sympathetic reactions, fark yes, but a good\evil part of the brain just doesn't exist as far as I know. Good and evil are active choices. Even those with no sympathetic reactions can choose to do good, since society does teach them what good is and how to do it.

I see what you mean here. So we could maybe have a spot for deviant, intentional, injurious and unempathetic  actions. A good definition that will stand up over time because of reliance upon norms. But good and evil don't really have meanings and what meanings they do have are extremely fluid and tied intricately with frame of reference.


Yep, exactly. Plus, the whole stepping-on-toes thing; even if science tried to define morality, that's not the job of science.
 
2013-02-07 06:58:31 PM  
Science has jobs?

I think science has plenty to say about morality and morality about science. A good naturalized moral epistemology has a reciporical relation with the sciences, taking what we know and testing to see what else we should know.
 
2013-02-07 08:28:22 PM  

Nurglitch: Science has jobs?

I think science has plenty to say about morality and morality about science. A good naturalized moral epistemology has a reciporical relation with the sciences, taking what we know and testing to see what else we should know.



"Science" doesn't have shiat to do with "morality".

SCIENTISTS, on the other hand...
 
2013-02-07 09:43:01 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Nurglitch: Science has jobs?

I think science has plenty to say about morality and morality about science. A good naturalized moral epistemology has a reciporical relation with the sciences, taking what we know and testing to see what else we should know.


"Science" doesn't have shiat to do with "morality".

SCIENTISTS, on the other hand...


The practice of knowledge goes hand in hand with how we should pursue that knowledge. One deals with the way things are and one deals with the way things should be. I would believe either to be more accurate if they cross-pollenated on occasion. It's a pity the flowers...I mean scienticians and philosophyists...don't work well together. Maybe we should spray them with pheromones.
 
2013-02-08 12:14:58 AM  

RobSeace: Smallberries: Can we DRILL IT OUT?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x302]


GET OUT OF MY HEAD

That was my thinking exactly.

So, is there a school of 'drill out the bad ideas' psychology?

Does anyone under the age of 40 get that picture?
 
2013-02-08 06:31:09 AM  

Smallberries: Does anyone under the age of 40 get that picture?


I think quite a few other Farkers have seen Pi, and recognize that particular image... Though, admittedly, I am over 40, so maybe it is just an old fart's movie, and I never realized it...


/9:13, Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six I did.
 
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