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(Daily Mail)   German neurologist claims to have found the area of the brain where evil lurks in killers, rapists and robbers. This is not a movie plot   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 184
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2013-02-06 07:12:51 PM
Beware, tfa is Godwinned.
 
2013-02-06 07:19:27 PM
Kent Allard  is unimpressed.
 
2013-02-06 08:13:37 PM
The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.
 
2013-02-06 08:18:44 PM
How'd I know he'd be German?
 
2013-02-06 08:23:13 PM
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 08:27:16 PM
While you are about that lobotomy, just cut that little piece out.

// Yes, it's a dark, dark matter.
 
2013-02-06 08:28:54 PM
No mention of a peer-reviewed study, yet he asserts:

'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

I also admire the precision.
 
2013-02-06 08:30:04 PM

Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?



Maybe because the headline says "German neurologist claims to have found the area of the brain where evil lurks in killers, rapists and robbers"?


/Just a guess


;-)
 
2013-02-06 08:30:35 PM

Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?


That Doctor Krieger *is* incorrigible, isn't he?
 
2013-02-06 08:30:53 PM
Nur der Schatten weiß
 
2013-02-06 08:32:18 PM

grokca: Kent Allard  is unimpressed.


I'm impressed you know who Kent Allard is and not just Lamont Cranston.
 
2013-02-06 08:37:08 PM

Amos Quito: Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?


Maybe because the headline says "German neurologist claims to have found the area of the brain where evil lurks in killers, rapists and robbers"?


/Just a guess


;-)


Heh. I just scanned the headline while someone was talking to me. Missed it.
 
2013-02-06 08:43:03 PM
Don't want to spoil it for you, but I saw this on Law&Order.  Turns out it's bullsh*t.
 
2013-02-06 08:53:26 PM
The Shadow is farking useless here, as he was apparently only interest in people's hearts.
 
2013-02-06 08:54:13 PM

The Muthaship: Don't want to spoil it for you, but I saw this on Law&Order.  Turns out it's bullsh*t.


The medical documentary Law&Order?
 
2013-02-06 09:05:05 PM

Mugato: The Muthaship: Don't want to spoil it for you, but I saw this on Law&Order.  Turns out it's bullsh*t.

The medical documentary Law&Order?


Yep.  It's peer reviewed!

/they really did have this episode, though....
 
2013-02-06 09:10:42 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: The Shadow is farking useless here, as he was apparently only interest in people's hearts.


i1079.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 09:14:18 PM

Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?


Yup, count on the Germans to identify evil.
 
2013-02-06 09:38:06 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.


Seems we've been down this road before.

Still, I would rather have s bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy!
 
2013-02-06 09:41:34 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.




OK you go find a stick I'll go find a habitual criminal, maybe a redhead one since they don't have souls... Anyone know where Lohan is hiding out?
 
2013-02-06 09:54:46 PM

Spiralmonkey: OK you go find a stick I'll go find a habitual criminal


Now THAT is a good assignment of duties!


Darth_Lukecash: Still, I would rather have s bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy!


BA-DUM-CHA
 
2013-02-06 09:57:36 PM
FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."


No no NO...  That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.  People will use it as an excuse to both commit violence and as a reason to punish the innocent.  

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.
 
2013-02-06 10:00:51 PM
Can we DRILL IT OUT?
 
2013-02-06 10:03:33 PM

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."


No no NO...  That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.  People will use it as an excuse to both commit violence and as a reason to punish the innocent.  

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


Some people really just get a thrill out of being naughty and they do it in varying extremes
 
2013-02-06 10:03:48 PM
So, this is what happens when your humours are imbalanced?

Or just lunacy?

Did they just do PET scans and feed the subjects shots of Jack and tequila until one section lit up, because thats how I would do it.
 
2013-02-06 10:04:51 PM

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."


No no NO...  That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.  People will use it as an excuse to both commit violence and as a reason to punish the innocent.  

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


Stating it is either completely black or white, one way or the other, sounds more like ideology than science.
 
2013-02-06 10:04:51 PM
He found it with Apple Maps.
 
2013-02-06 10:04:57 PM
I told you evil lurks in German brains, but would you listen? OOoooh no!
 
2013-02-06 10:05:18 PM
Spoiler:  It's the ENTIRE BRAIN
 
2013-02-06 10:05:29 PM

rev. dave: Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences. You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


t1.gstatic.com

Could you have told me that before I shot my father?
 
2013-02-06 10:05:52 PM

Mister Peejay: Spoiler:  It's the ENTIRE BRAIN


But enough about Soylent Green!
 
2013-02-06 10:05:58 PM
Are we talking about Freud... which he basically founded the field of psycho-analysis, he was trained as a neurologist.
 
2013-02-06 10:05:59 PM
Too much beer, AND socialist tendencies? What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-02-06 10:06:30 PM
Please, please don't let this turn into the lobotomy of the 21st century.

Neuroscience along with quantum physics is one of the most mis-understood areas among laymen yet people treat it like magic.  Combine that with scientifically-illiterate legislators and you have a tragedy waiting to happen.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:21 PM
Dear god don't let that scientist get near a pineal gland with a resonator device.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:35 PM
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-02-06 10:07:37 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-06 10:09:05 PM

rev. dave: You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


That's at about the  Daily Mail level of scientific precision and accuracy.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:30 PM
What a Teutonic twat.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:46 PM

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: Dear god don't let that scientist get near a pineal gland with a resonator device.


Ohhh.. but why not?

Brains are tasty... and if my assistants suddenly get all kinky and leathered up... who am I to complain?
 
2013-02-06 10:10:12 PM
What they should have said is:  "Some people have a malfunctioning part of their brain that makes them overly aggressive and/or unable to exercise impulse control, and we can see when this part is not working properly with a brain scan"

...which is why most people are bored by science I guess.

The reasons people commit crimes are wide and varied... you cant just pinpoint that to one thing.
 
2013-02-06 10:10:19 PM
The nerve of some Germans.
 
2013-02-06 10:10:35 PM
finally a solution to end all evil
 
2013-02-06 10:14:06 PM
Someone's got a nut for...

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-06 10:20:15 PM
Religion resides in the 'imagination' part of the brain.

/Incompetent republicans politicians still not being arrested for batshiaty imaginations making 'white god' the supreme ruler of the U.S.
 
2013-02-06 10:20:44 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.


No, you'll only anger it further!
 
2013-02-06 10:21:19 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Someone's got a nut for...

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 281x179]


Are you saying that this research could cause a sort of Pre-Crime operation or that Tom Cruise would be pissed at this research because it's thetans that cause mental problems, not biology?
 
2013-02-06 10:22:10 PM
Oh no, remember the last time the last time the Germans came for the mentally ill and we did nothing.
 
2013-02-06 10:25:41 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mister Peejay: Spoiler:  It's the ENTIRE BRAIN

But enough about Soylent Green!


What's your favorite color?

/Quite considerate they were.
//Doritos!
 
2013-02-06 10:28:59 PM
How many Jewish brains did they have to fillet to come to this discovery?
 
2013-02-06 10:29:13 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

impressive, tell me more...........
 
2013-02-06 10:29:39 PM
put eugenics back in play and you'll remove most of the unwanted element in short time. continue to let scum run amuck and enjoy your Idiocracy.
 
2013-02-06 10:30:28 PM
To all those discussing The Shadow, Kent Allard, Lamont Cranston, et. al., I say this:

"Paging Dr. Clark Savage Jr, paging Dr. Clark Savage Jr..."

/Remember Doc's Crime College?
 
2013-02-06 10:30:48 PM
Interesting.
 
2013-02-06 10:31:01 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: No, you'll only anger it further!


FOR SCIENCE!!!

Darth_Lukecash: What's your favorite color?


Gre... HEY, WAIT A MINUTE
 
2013-02-06 10:31:02 PM

KrispyKritter: put eugenics back in play and you'll remove most of the unwanted element in short time. continue to let scum run amuck and enjoy your Idiocracy.


Quit yer complaining, we already have abortion, easy access to contraceptives, and laws against inbreeding.
 
2013-02-06 10:32:01 PM

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."


No no NO...  That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.  People will use it as an excuse to both commit violence and as a reason to punish the innocent.  

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


Hmmm... like with homosexuality perhaps?
 
2013-02-06 10:32:49 PM
lack of warmth: mentally ill and we did nothing

As a society, we are still doing nothing.
 
2013-02-06 10:36:42 PM
Put on the Beethoven and get the eye dropper.
 
2013-02-06 10:38:38 PM
You're tourists?
 
2013-02-06 10:39:09 PM
A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

B) It is more than likely that some people do not feel sympathetic reactions to human pain, and that this is an inborn trait. It probably does correlate highly to the rates of criminal activity a person will commit in their lifetime. It is, however, never going to be more than a high correlation, and expect the correlation to not be anywhere near as high on a large scale, because society already handles this by basically saying 'behave or we throw your ass in jail'.
 
2013-02-06 10:44:32 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.

Seems we've been down this road before.

Still, I would rather have s bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy!


Dad, get off the computer.
 
2013-02-06 10:45:08 PM

Roto-Rot: You're tourists?


And I just found my B
 
2013-02-06 10:47:12 PM
Perhaps they could find a way to rewire that portion of the brain to improve cognitive function?
 
2013-02-06 10:47:39 PM

KrispyKritter: put eugenics back in play and you'll remove most of the unwanted element in short time. continue to let scum run amuck and enjoy your Idiocracy.


Yeah it's too bad Hitler put the kibosh on the whole eugenics thing by adding the murdering. We'd be living in a much nicer world with a little selective breeding.
 
2013-02-06 10:48:53 PM
I can just imagine what will be taking place in the next 10 years after they find the part of the brain that defines whether or not someone is homosexual.  Kids going to school will have a brain scan.  Those with the criminal brains get sent to get lobotomies.  Those that are homosexual are treated as such:  Each boy gets a "Big Brother" gay guy and each girl gets a "Big Sister" lesbian, both of which will happily pound the homosexual lifestyle into the kid.  The rest will be forced to watch reality TV until there is no activity recorded in their brain scans.
 
2013-02-06 10:52:43 PM

PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.


The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.
 
2013-02-06 10:55:09 PM

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."

Who you are is not determined by your genes, it is your environment and experiences.  You can activate or deactivate the expression of genes by how you live your life.


Bullshiat.

The environment won't add to, or take away, anything not already in the genes. We've seen this in animals AND humans, but any time you mention "genes" and "humans" in the same sentence, the pussy patrol screams "racism/NAZI!!!!!".

Try to train a working dog from a shiatty line, or no line. While it is possible to find some random dog with the genetic material to do the work, the odds improve dramatically when you source dogs from proven lines. Same thing with race horses / dogs / bulls etc...


Capabilities and limitations are all in the genes, and it is the environment that allows an organism to exhibit them.
 
2013-02-06 10:55:48 PM
Is he sure it's not his finger covering it up?

i183.photobucket.com

\hot
 
2013-02-06 10:56:44 PM
What if all mental illness corresponds to physical structures and all crime is caused by mental illness? Punishing criminals as though they had made an intentional wrong choice from among the same options that a person who didn't commit the crime had would seem inappropriate.
 
2013-02-06 11:03:05 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.


Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.
 
2013-02-06 11:07:38 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-06 11:09:35 PM

PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.

Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.


Human sacrifice comes to mind.
 
2013-02-06 11:13:14 PM
The Shadow Knows
 
2013-02-06 11:13:15 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.

Seems we've been down this road before.

Still, I would rather have s bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy!


Why? As long as the lobotomy is in front of you it shouldn't matter t o you one bit. As long as you don't have the frontal lobotomy you're good.
 
2013-02-06 11:19:57 PM

Sgygus: lack of warmth: mentally ill and we did nothing

As a society, we are still doing nothing.


I know, I am just worried about when they are coming for me.
 
2013-02-06 11:21:58 PM
What a German Neurologist might look like:

filmdump.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-06 11:23:14 PM

lack of warmth: Sgygus: lack of warmth: mentally ill and we did nothing

As a society, we are still doing nothing.

I know, I am just worried about when they are coming for me.


First they came for the redditors, and I did not speak out, for I was not a redditor...
 
2013-02-06 11:23:21 PM
Quick!  Send in the J. Lo.!stacheandstiletto.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-06 11:23:44 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The next logical step: jabbing that area of the brain with a sharp stick.



Sharp stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against sharp sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you, eh?

Well, I'll tell you something, my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me!

Now, the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion fruit...
 
2013-02-06 11:26:36 PM

ciberido: Now, the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion fruit...


AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
 
2013-02-06 11:27:38 PM

Nuclear Monk: Quick!  Send in the J. Lo.![stacheandstiletto.files.wordpress.com image 640x425]


That movie kind of sucked but it had some great visuals.
 
2013-02-06 11:28:48 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Hi.
 
2013-02-06 11:29:51 PM
Should be straightforward with an ice pick. Plenty of literature on this.

cdn-www.cracked.com
 
2013-02-06 11:30:30 PM
i remember they said something similar when they where jabbing needles into your eye, and or electrocuting the fark out of your brain.

then they scream "TADA" hes docile, and drooling, and cant write... or keep a conversation, but hes not aggressive anymore TADA.

fark that pseudo science, there is a reason they call them qwaks.
 
2013-02-06 11:32:26 PM
Frowned at article and didn't read. Which line do you get in for the govt mandated lobotomies?
 
2013-02-06 11:34:06 PM

dv-ous: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 292x286]

Hi.


We just need some nanoprobes.
 
2013-02-06 11:38:59 PM

Sgygus: Beware, tfa is Godwinned.


Argentina ?
 
2013-02-06 11:39:56 PM
I WORK ALONE!
 
2013-02-06 11:41:16 PM

boinkingbill: :  Each boy gets a "Big Brother" gay guy


The boy can call him father and since they are altering the boys views into what they will be we can call the kid an alter boy.
 
2013-02-06 11:41:28 PM
Could it be a parasite or an infection?

That would explain so much.
 
2013-02-06 11:41:35 PM
Making a claim like that takes a lot of gall.
www.skepdic.com
 
2013-02-06 11:44:52 PM
Yeah, I see a methodological problem.

This guy was studying German brains. He found that German murderers' brains are evil and uncaring.

But all Germans are evil and uncaring.

Basically he invented a test to detect Germans.
 
2013-02-06 11:45:23 PM

PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.

Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.


You don't need to rephrase. You're obviously talking about moral relativism. Sam Harris addresses the science of morality directly in his books, and there's a plethora of moral realists from Plato to Boyd who explain why moral ambiguity is meaningless. We can measure it in absolute terms--x is morally wrong, true or not--or through a sort of hybridization with negative utility (two murders is twice as bad as one), but whatever our method, it is measurable.
 
2013-02-06 11:45:38 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: How'd I know he'd be German?

That Doctor Krieger *is* incorrigible, isn't he?


Also Yes.
 
2013-02-06 11:46:33 PM
I would be interested to see if that area of the brain lights up in flyover states when you mention transvaginal ultrasound.
 
2013-02-06 11:47:37 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.

Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.

You don't need to rephrase. You're obviously talking about moral relativism. Sam Harris addresses the science of morality directly in his books, and there's a plethora of moral realists from Plato to Boyd who explain why moral ambiguity is meaningless. We can measure it in absolute terms--x is morally wrong, true or not--or through a sort of hybridization with negative utility (two murders is twice as bad as one), but whatever our method, it is measurable.


I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.
 
2013-02-06 11:48:57 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: To all those discussing The Shadow, Kent Allard, Lamont Cranston, et. al., I say this:

"Paging Dr. Clark Savage Jr, paging Dr. Clark Savage Jr..."

/Remember Doc's Crime College?


First thing I thought of. Although in Doc's case it was a "violence gland" in the brain...

/god I'm old
 
2013-02-06 11:49:29 PM
I sometimes think with my little head...
en.korea.com
 
2013-02-06 11:50:48 PM
Funny - just a few weeks ago they were trying to blame it on leaded gas.
 
2013-02-06 11:51:17 PM

Shadow Blasko: scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: Dear god don't let that scientist get near a pineal gland with a resonator device.

Ohhh.. but why not?

Brains are tasty... and if my assistants suddenly get all kinky and leathered up... who am I to complain?


"If there is a statistical correlation between schizophrenia and the pineal gland, they may be feeling or seeing what we saw."

"Well, what about the hard on I got? Is there a statistical correlation for that too?"
 
2013-02-06 11:52:59 PM
So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.
 
2013-02-06 11:53:27 PM

PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.

Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.


But "violence" is a measurable phenomenon.
 
2013-02-06 11:55:56 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: You don't need to rephrase. You're obviously talking about moral relativism. Sam Harris addresses the science of morality directly in his books, and there's a plethora of moral realists from Plato to Boyd who explain why moral ambiguity is meaningless. We can measure it in absolute terms--x is morally wrong, true or not--or through a sort of hybridization with negative utility (two murders is twice as bad as one), but whatever our method, it is measurable.


Science does not concern itself with morality, because science only concerns itself with things that can be proven. You cannot prove that it is bad to kill. You can prove that it is antisocial, you can prove that it involves the loss of at least one life, you cannot prove that it is 'evil' because evil, as a concept, is  not part of science. Didn't your second-grade teacher cover this? Science  only tells you  how the frog was made--it's up to religion, theology, and morality to tell you  why, or whether that frog is a good or evil frog.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.


A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.
 
2013-02-07 12:00:33 AM

mrswood: Frowned at article and didn't read. Which line do you get in for the govt mandated lobotomies?


Don't be silly.  We haven't even gotten the death panels up and running yet.
 
2013-02-07 12:04:21 AM

ciberido: PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: PsiChick: A) This is the most unscientific bullshiat I've read in a while. 'Good' and 'evil' are judgement values, not measurable phenomenon.

The predominant moral school of thought disagrees with your position. So do the vast majority of people when interviewed.

Let me rephrase. They are not measurable phenomenon  in the context of scientific learning, especially since one culture's 'evil' is another culture's 'WTF, why do you not do that, don't you know the gods will hit you with a lightning bolt for not doing it you heathen'.

But "violence" is a measurable phenomenon.


Certainly. A correlation between this area of the brain going dark and violence is a valid scientific study. It's just not TFA. TFA is some idiot pretending to run a scientific study on a judgement value, which is not scientific in the slightest.
 
2013-02-07 12:06:02 AM

ciberido: mrswood: Frowned at article and didn't read. Which line do you get in for the govt mandated lobotomies?

Don't be silly.  We haven't even gotten the death panels up and running yet.


Yes, skip the lobotomies! Straight to the death panels!
 
2013-02-07 12:07:25 AM
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Uchiha_Cycliste: Also Yes.


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This recent episode was AWESOME. :)
 
2013-02-07 12:10:41 AM

PsiChick: 1. Put snakes on plane: You don't need to rephrase. You're obviously talking about moral relativism. Sam Harris addresses the science of morality directly in his books, and there's a plethora of moral realists from Plato to Boyd who explain why moral ambiguity is meaningless. We can measure it in absolute terms--x is morally wrong, true or not--or through a sort of hybridization with negative utility (two murders is twice as bad as one), but whatever our method, it is measurable.

Science does not concern itself with morality, because science only concerns itself with things that can be proven. You cannot prove that it is bad to kill. You can prove that it is antisocial, you can prove that it involves the loss of at least one life, you cannot prove that it is 'evil' because evil, as a concept, is  not part of science. Didn't your second-grade teacher cover this? Science  only tells you  how the frog was made--it's up to religion, theology, and morality to tell you  why, or whether that frog is a good or evil frog.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.


I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.
 
2013-02-07 12:11:57 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Uchiha_Cycliste: Also Yes.

HAHAHAHAH

This recent episode was AWESOME. :)


Did Krieger finally master YYZ?   =P
 
2013-02-07 12:13:37 AM

The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.


Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move
 
2013-02-07 12:15:11 AM
I bet this sucker is going to go off like a fire alarm the first time that they hook it up to a darkie.

It's ok to be racist against black people?  No, only Germans?  Then carry on.
 
2013-02-07 12:20:13 AM

perigee: What a German Neurologist might look like:

[filmdump.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


Sorry, he's an A2Mologist
 
2013-02-07 12:21:31 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.

I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.


That's true, but applying science to morality is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. If this sort of study needs to be done, it would be better to try and correlate behavior to cause without going into morality.
 
2013-02-07 12:22:38 AM

Baron Harkonnen: It's ok to be racist against black people? No, only Germans? Then carry on.


German isn't a race.
 
2013-02-07 12:23:36 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move


Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.
 
2013-02-07 12:24:44 AM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.

I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.

That's true, but applying science to morality is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. If this sort of study needs to be done, it would be better to try and correlate behavior to cause without going into morality.


I want to agree with you, but I think its maybe possible that if enough people agree on what morality means, then we could maybe be a little hand-wavey about it and imagine morality to be an alias for a more specific list of traits. It's just kinda neat.
 
2013-02-07 12:25:27 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.


But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key
 
2013-02-07 12:28:01 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.

I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.

That's true, but applying science to morality is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. If this sort of study needs to be done, it would be better to try and correlate behavior to cause without going into morality.

I want to agree with you, but I think its maybe possible that if enough people agree on what morality means, then we could maybe be a little hand-wavey about it and imagine morality to be an alias for a more specific list of traits. It's just kinda neat.


That would actually be a question that anthropology would debate about. Like, I'm pretty sure there are multiple anthropologists doing exactly that. It's one of the coolest parts of anthropology--people's ideas about stuff are usually just names for behaviors and traits. It's so fun to analyze, especially when you get into mystic abilities--take a hallucinating guy and stick him in America and they'll call him crazy, stick him in Scotland and they'll shrug and ask what he wants with his haggis. :p
 
2013-02-07 12:32:31 AM

PhiloeBedoe: [i1079.photobucket.com image 311x396]


....AND DONE here
 
2013-02-07 12:37:16 AM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.

I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.

That's true, but applying science to morality is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. If this sort of study needs to be done, it would be better to try and correlate behavior to cause without going into morality.

I want to agree with you, but I think its maybe possible that if enough people agree on what morality means, then we could maybe be a little hand-wavey about it and imagine morality to be an alias for a more specific list of traits. It's just kinda neat.

That would actually be a question that anthropology would debate about. Like, I'm pretty sure there are multiple anthropologists doing exactly that. It's one of the coolest parts of anthropology--people's ideas about stuff are usually just names for behaviors and traits. It's so fun to analyze, especially when you get into mystic abilities--take a hallucinating guy and stick him in America and they'll call him crazy, stick him in Scotland and they'll shrug and ask what he wants with his haggis. :p


If Anthro were able to divine (heh) a coherent definition, could neuro use it then?
 
2013-02-07 12:42:52 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Did Krieger finally master YYZ? =P


That would be telling.

That said, Krieger *did* get to do some awesome stuff!
 
2013-02-07 12:43:36 AM
i'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
 
2013-02-07 12:45:07 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Uchiha_Cycliste: Did Krieger finally master YYZ? =P

That would be telling.

That said, Krieger *did* get to do some awesome stuff!


For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.
 
2013-02-07 12:48:06 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: That would actually be a question that anthropology would debate about. Like, I'm pretty sure there are multiple anthropologists doing exactly that. It's one of the coolest parts of anthropology--people's ideas about stuff are usually just names for behaviors and traits. It's so fun to analyze, especially when you get into mystic abilities--take a hallucinating guy and stick him in America and they'll call him crazy, stick him in Scotland and they'll shrug and ask what he wants with his haggis. :p

If Anthro were able to divine (heh) a coherent definition, could neuro use it then?


Theoretically, but it would be a really, really bad idea to use any terms of morality instead of a behavior list for purely social reasons. I mean, look at TFA--some legislator with no sense whatsoever reads that, and boom, something retarded gets touted as sane policy. There's also the question of whether the definition would be a true list of behaviors; knowing anthropology, it might be something like 'behavior the collective group agrees upon as deviant'.

/Though that would actually be a fascinating study in and of itself.
 
2013-02-07 12:48:12 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Uchiha_Cycliste: Did Krieger finally master YYZ? =P

That would be telling.

That said, Krieger *did* get to do some awesome stuff!

For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.


really? balls.
Does that make the Krieger bit funnier or less funny?
 
2013-02-07 12:48:21 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.


We've certainly established that I'm of no authority to speak objectively about terrible, terrible songs.
 
2013-02-07 12:50:24 AM
Future crime, anyone?
 
2013-02-07 12:53:06 AM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: That would actually be a question that anthropology would debate about. Like, I'm pretty sure there are multiple anthropologists doing exactly that. It's one of the coolest parts of anthropology--people's ideas about stuff are usually just names for behaviors and traits. It's so fun to analyze, especially when you get into mystic abilities--take a hallucinating guy and stick him in America and they'll call him crazy, stick him in Scotland and they'll shrug and ask what he wants with his haggis. :p

If Anthro were able to divine (heh) a coherent definition, could neuro use it then?

Theoretically, but it would be a really, really bad idea to use any terms of morality instead of a behavior list for purely social reasons. I mean, look at TFA--some legislator with no sense whatsoever reads that, and boom, something retarded gets touted as sane policy. There's also the question of whether the definition would be a true list of behaviors; knowing anthropology, it might be something like 'behavior the collective group agrees upon as deviant'.

/Though that would actually be a fascinating study in and of itself.


So in essence you're saying while it *could* be done it's not a good idea. Well it's great to know that scientists consider both can they do something and if they should
 
2013-02-07 12:53:44 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The All-Powerful Atheismo: For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.

We've certainly established that I'm of no authority to speak objectively about terrible, terrible songs.


aw hell nah, I'm not clicking that.

\nice try though
 
2013-02-07 12:54:10 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Uchiha_Cycliste: Did Krieger finally master YYZ? =P

That would be telling.

That said, Krieger *did* get to do some awesome stuff!

For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.

really? balls.
Does that make the Krieger bit funnier or less funny?


Oh well it's a technically difficult if not impossible song, so that's the joke.

It just sounds like shiat, with all the different timing schemes and whatnot.
 
2013-02-07 12:54:52 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The All-Powerful Atheismo: For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.

We've certainly established that I'm of no authority to speak objectively about terrible, terrible songs.

aw hell nah, I'm not clicking that.

\nice try though


Oh come on.  You know you want to.

Click one for the Gipper.
 
2013-02-07 12:57:02 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Uchiha_Cycliste: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Uchiha_Cycliste: Did Krieger finally master YYZ? =P

That would be telling.

That said, Krieger *did* get to do some awesome stuff!

For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.

really? balls.
Does that make the Krieger bit funnier or less funny?

Oh well it's a technically difficult if not impossible song, so that's the joke.

It just sounds like shiat, with all the different timing schemes and whatnot.


well I get the difficulty part, but do you think the fact it sucks as a song makes it funnier ?
 
2013-02-07 12:57:20 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: That would actually be a question that anthropology would debate about. Like, I'm pretty sure there are multiple anthropologists doing exactly that. It's one of the coolest parts of anthropology--people's ideas about stuff are usually just names for behaviors and traits. It's so fun to analyze, especially when you get into mystic abilities--take a hallucinating guy and stick him in America and they'll call him crazy, stick him in Scotland and they'll shrug and ask what he wants with his haggis. :p

If Anthro were able to divine (heh) a coherent definition, could neuro use it then?

Theoretically, but it would be a really, really bad idea to use any terms of morality instead of a behavior list for purely social reasons. I mean, look at TFA--some legislator with no sense whatsoever reads that, and boom, something retarded gets touted as sane policy. There's also the question of whether the definition would be a true list of behaviors; knowing anthropology, it might be something like 'behavior the collective group agrees upon as deviant'.

/Though that would actually be a fascinating study in and of itself.

So in essence you're saying while it *could* be done it's not a good idea. Well it's great to know that scientists consider both can they do something and if they should


Bahahahahaha....

/But yeah, basically.
 
2013-02-07 12:57:38 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Uchiha_Cycliste: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The All-Powerful Atheismo: For the record, YYZ is a terrible, terrible song.

We've certainly established that I'm of no authority to speak objectively about terrible, terrible songs.

aw hell nah, I'm not clicking that.

\nice try though

Oh come on.  You know you want to.

Click one for the Gipper.


Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Which is a lot better than usual
 
2013-02-07 12:59:16 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-07 12:59:23 AM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: That would actually be a question that anthropology would debate about. Like, I'm pretty sure there are multiple anthropologists doing exactly that. It's one of the coolest parts of anthropology--people's ideas about stuff are usually just names for behaviors and traits. It's so fun to analyze, especially when you get into mystic abilities--take a hallucinating guy and stick him in America and they'll call him crazy, stick him in Scotland and they'll shrug and ask what he wants with his haggis. :p

If Anthro were able to divine (heh) a coherent definition, could neuro use it then?

Theoretically, but it would be a really, really bad idea to use any terms of morality instead of a behavior list for purely social reasons. I mean, look at TFA--some legislator with no sense whatsoever reads that, and boom, something retarded gets touted as sane policy. There's also the question of whether the definition would be a true list of behaviors; knowing anthropology, it might be something like 'behavior the collective group agrees upon as deviant'.

/Though that would actually be a fascinating study in and of itself.

So in essence you're saying while it *could* be done it's not a good idea. Well it's great to know that scientists consider both can they do something and if they should

Bahahahahaha....

/But yeah, basically.


Guess we'll wait and see.

Also, even taking into consideration out conversation, have you considered that possibly the whole thing is true and he did *essentially* find the good/evil area?
 
2013-02-07 01:07:30 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Guess we'll wait and see.

Also, even taking into consideration out conversation, have you considered that possibly the whole thing is true and he did *essentially* find the good/evil area?


He found  something, I just have no idea what. It may well be the ability to feel sympathetic pain, though. That would be one hell of a result...
 
2013-02-07 01:10:58 AM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Guess we'll wait and see.

Also, even taking into consideration out conversation, have you considered that possibly the whole thing is true and he did *essentially* find the good/evil area?

He found  something, I just have no idea what. It may well be the ability to feel sympathetic pain, though. That would be one hell of a result...


I agree with you (I'm not sure of you've said it or just implied it) that finding the good/evil part of the brain isn't really the likeliest thing IF we did find it, there are going to be a lot of really neat side-effects. In science and law. I wonder if it's better if he is somehow a little wrong ; keeps things simpler all around.
 
2013-02-07 01:13:06 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key


does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler
 
2013-02-07 01:16:51 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Guess we'll wait and see.

Also, even taking into consideration out conversation, have you considered that possibly the whole thing is true and he did *essentially* find the good/evil area?

He found  something, I just have no idea what. It may well be the ability to feel sympathetic pain, though. That would be one hell of a result...

I agree with you (I'm not sure of you've said it or just implied it) that finding the good/evil part of the brain isn't really the likeliest thing IF we did find it, there are going to be a lot of really neat side-effects. In science and law. I wonder if it's better if he is somehow a little wrong ; keeps things simpler all around.


Well, no, I mean that there  is no good\evil part of the brain. A part of the brain regulating sympathetic reactions, fark yes, but a good\evil part of the brain just doesn't exist as far as I know. Good and evil are active choices. Even those with no sympathetic reactions can choose to do good, since society does teach them what good is and how to do it.
 
2013-02-07 01:22:21 AM
'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

Is this a bad mistranslation, or does this "respected German neurologist" think that there's actually a region known as the "lower forehead brain"??

Because I'm just a lawyer, and even I know there's no such place. There's not even a "lower forebrain" so he can't even claim that's what he meant.
 
2013-02-07 01:34:27 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key

does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler


I suppose he could ride a bike if he wanted to, his *IS* a god... it's sort of "where does the gorilla sit" sort of a question. What he does is encourage good bike works. You do things to help others. Wrench on their bikes, give them bikes or parts, help people out while out on rides and you do it for the purpose of helping them. You do it because you want to see more people riding a bike. So, you earn up points for your good bike works and when you want/need something you ask Biki for it and if you have enough credits you get it. Simple =D
 
2013-02-07 01:37:15 AM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Guess we'll wait and see.

Also, even taking into consideration out conversation, have you considered that possibly the whole thing is true and he did *essentially* find the good/evil area?

He found  something, I just have no idea what. It may well be the ability to feel sympathetic pain, though. That would be one hell of a result...

I agree with you (I'm not sure of you've said it or just implied it) that finding the good/evil part of the brain isn't really the likeliest thing IF we did find it, there are going to be a lot of really neat side-effects. In science and law. I wonder if it's better if he is somehow a little wrong ; keeps things simpler all around.

Well, no, I mean that there  is no good\evil part of the brain. A part of the brain regulating sympathetic reactions, fark yes, but a good\evil part of the brain just doesn't exist as far as I know. Good and evil are active choices. Even those with no sympathetic reactions can choose to do good, since society does teach them what good is and how to do it.


I see what you mean here. So we could maybe have a spot for deviant, intentional, injurious and unempathetic  actions. A good definition that will stand up over time because of reliance upon norms. But good and evil don't really have meanings and what meanings they do have are extremely fluid and tied intricately with frame of reference.
 
2013-02-07 01:38:38 AM

PhiloeBedoe: [i1079.photobucket.com image 311x396]


I said to myself that if the Shadow were not referenced in the first five posts, then Fark was slipping.  Thank you for keeping my faith intact.
 
2013-02-07 01:39:06 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Interesting.


Verrry interesting.

chickaboomer.com
 
2013-02-07 01:39:17 AM

Wolfmanjames: PhiloeBedoe: [i1079.photobucket.com image 311x396]

I said to myself that if the Shadow were not referenced in the first five posts, then Fark was slipping.  Thank you for keeping my faith intact.



I wanted it in the Boobies too.
 
2013-02-07 01:40:56 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Uchiha_Cycliste: Did Krieger finally master YYZ? =P

That would be telling.

That said, Krieger *did* get to do some awesome stuff!


what *DID* he do in the last ep? I just remember Archer going to a B&B... and then needing music. =P
 
2013-02-07 01:46:29 AM
He's an author, not a doctor.
/pseudoscience
 
2013-02-07 02:17:28 AM
And on a related note, for those interested in forensic science and history, I am currently reading and enjoying this :
http://www.amazon.com/Killer-Little-Shepherds-Forensic-Scienc e/dp/0307 279081
The main scientist he follows spent time arguing against the "criminal physical type" belief pushed by the Italian school, led by Lombroso.
 
2013-02-07 02:34:13 AM
"lower forehead brain"?

I didn't know Dr. Nick wrote for the Daily Fail.
 
2013-02-07 03:32:09 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-07 04:28:47 AM

MugatoMugato: Baron Harkonnen: It's ok to be racist against black people? No, only Germans? Then carry on.

German isn't a race.


Aryan?
 
2013-02-07 06:40:51 AM

Glancing Blow: No mention of a peer-reviewed study, yet he asserts:

'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

I also admire the precision.


Nouveau Phrenology, how does it work?
 
2013-02-07 07:00:30 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.


Guess what?

There's going to be a region of the brain dedicated to anything anyone thinks about a lot.

And those things we all need to do, like talking and walking, come pre-programed.
 
2013-02-07 07:25:03 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key

does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler

I suppose he could ride a bike if he wanted to, his *IS* a god... it's sort of "where does the gorilla sit" sort of a question. What he does is encourage good bike works. You do things to help others. Wrench on their bikes, give them bikes or parts, help people out while out on rides and you do it for the purpose of helping them. You do it because you want to see more people riding a bike. So, you earn up points for your good bike works and when you want/need something you ask Biki for it and if you have enough credits you get it. Simple =D


i bought chum lee a bike, i wanna be part owner
 
2013-02-07 07:48:02 AM
What about finding and destroying the wholly and totally corrupt gene? That would make a big difference to life as we know it.
 
2013-02-07 07:59:12 AM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
Not my world.
 
2013-02-07 08:06:40 AM

biglot: What about finding and destroying the wholly and totally corrupt gene? That would make a big difference to life as we know it.


you mean take MDMA every day for the rest of your life>>>
 
2013-02-07 08:26:00 AM
nice try submitard, but all real scientists know that free will is illusion and that concurently we are all merely puppets of Naturedidit ipso facto therefore there is no such thing as good or evil visa vi

QED
QFT
 
2013-02-07 08:31:27 AM
Reminds me of Frankenhooker.  I had forgotten about the drill scene, Yeesh!
 
2013-02-07 08:47:27 AM
He must have done this study overseas because no one that speaks German could be an evil man
 
2013-02-07 08:53:33 AM
Anne Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Oh you did Nazi that coming? Maybe you need to Concentrate harder instead of being an Auschwitz head. Burkinow go get me a drink, I'd like some orange Jews and a genocide of antiacid, i have terrible gas.
 
2013-02-07 09:07:54 AM
s17.postimage.org
 
2013-02-07 09:10:46 AM
Mmmmm lobotomy girl.


www.ivancheam.com
 
2013-02-07 09:25:15 AM
The first he classifies as 'psychologically healthy,' people who grow up in an environment where it is 'OK to beat, steal and murder'.

And, those are the "healthy" ones?!
 
2013-02-07 09:26:46 AM

Smallberries: Can we DRILL IT OUT?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-07 09:28:56 AM
It was back to the drawing board after the skull measurement thing failed.
 
2013-02-07 09:29:28 AM

rev. dave: FTFA:"He says his researches have led him to believe that some criminals have a 'genetic predisposition' to violence."

No no NO... That is absolutely dangerous to talk about, he should know better.



We must suppress the truth!  It's for our own good!
 
2013-02-07 09:31:00 AM

RobSeace: The first he classifies as 'psychologically healthy,' people who grow up in an environment where it is 'OK to beat, steal and murder'.

And, those are the "healthy" ones?!


it's not their fault, they are the victims

all of their actions are perfectly natural, just like granola bars :)
 
2013-02-07 10:19:11 AM
In the areas of the brain where we create compassion and sorrow, nothing happened.
 
He should run this test on rape-rape Republicans.
 
2013-02-07 10:20:55 AM
The neurologist in question:

stuffpoint.com
 
2013-02-07 11:24:08 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: Jon iz teh kewl: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Angry Hand of God: So there is a region of the brain dedicated to religion.  Your turn, atheists.

Atheists have a creative/fiction part of their mind too, they just use it more productively.
your move

Exactly.  Atheists are living in their own fiction.  I wouldn't call it productive, but constantly battling yourself denying my existence is futile.

But you're not *my* god, my God is Biki, the bike god.

\Bee-key

does he ride a bike? or a 4 wheeler

I suppose he could ride a bike if he wanted to, his *IS* a god... it's sort of "where does the gorilla sit" sort of a question. What he does is encourage good bike works. You do things to help others. Wrench on their bikes, give them bikes or parts, help people out while out on rides and you do it for the purpose of helping them. You do it because you want to see more people riding a bike. So, you earn up points for your good bike works and when you want/need something you ask Biki for it and if you have enough credits you get it. Simple =D

i bought chum lee a bike, i wanna be part owner


And I wanna go bone my 9th grade geometry teacher, alas our desires and our results often don't cross paths =(

\Good God Ms Ellis was hot!
 
2013-02-07 11:27:15 AM
Came looking for Leo with the skull in Django.

/not disappointed.
 
2013-02-07 12:12:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: 'But when I will look at young people, and I see there are developmental disorders in the lower forehead brain, I can say that there is a felon in the making with 66 per cent probability. "

Is this a bad mistranslation, or does this "respected German neurologist" think that there's actually a region known as the "lower forehead brain"??

Because I'm just a lawyer, and even I know there's no such place. There's not even a "lower forebrain" so he can't even claim that's what he meant.


If you're just a LAWYER you should be able to differentiate in the only skill you espouse to your clients the ability to READ and DIFFERENTIATE:  lower forehead brain (TFA) =/= lower forebrain (your mistake)

How about you add something more to society than intentional obfuscation, you parasite!
 
2013-02-07 01:13:43 PM

PsiChick: Uchiha_Cycliste: Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't think it's so hard to generalize things sufficiently to find an area. We call it the area that doesn't care about knowingly inflicting harm on others without their consent.  I feel like that's an area you could see light up or not when you are in the process of hurting another.

A) Read what I already addressed. Science has very strict rules on what it does or doesn't address. People who claim otherwise are misapplying the scientific method.

B) As I said, a sympathetic reaction to the pain of other humans is normal. Some people clearly don't have it, on a gradient scale. They know they're causing pain and don't care. So yeah, that can completely be measured, and I'd love to see decent research on that.

I get ya, I was just saying that I think we could look at the moral/ethical thing a different way by changing how we define it. Remove some of the intangible mystery to it.

That's true, but applying science to morality is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. If this sort of study needs to be done, it would be better to try and correlate behavior to cause without going into morality.


If you define morality as the set of choices and mental attitudes that lead to a more stable and prosperous civilization (or a similar definition), then morality is absolutely quantifiable and a valid topic for scientific study. Sure, it would be difficult, but science is conceivably capable of measuring the sociological effects of varying ethos.

If on the other hand you define morality as the system of thought and actions you must adhere to in order to gain access to the happy afterlife in the clouds, well then science is SOL in measuring how effective that is.
 
2013-02-07 01:43:51 PM
Hitlercampus?
 
2013-02-07 02:00:27 PM

reimanr06: If you define morality as the set of choices and mental attitudes that lead to a more stable and prosperous civilization (or a similar definition), then morality is absolutely quantifiable and a valid topic for scientific study. Sure, it would be difficult, but science is conceivably capable of measuring the sociological effects of varying ethos.

If on the other hand you define morality as the system of thought and actions you must adhere to in order to gain access to the happy afterlife in the clouds, well then science is SOL in measuring how effective that is.


Well, yes, but the problem is that the field of theology, which gets to define stuff like that, can't settle down and agree on that definition, or any other. So calling it 'morality' would basically be a giant middle finger to theology, religion, atheism, etc.. Science is not actually supposed to do that.

 Uchiha_Cycliste:

Well, no, I mean that there  is no good\evil part of the brain. A part of the brain regulating sympathetic reactions, fark yes, but a good\evil part of the brain just doesn't exist as far as I know. Good and evil are active choices. Even those with no sympathetic reactions can choose to do good, since society does teach them what good is and how to do it.

I see what you mean here. So we could maybe have a spot for deviant, intentional, injurious and unempathetic  actions. A good definition that will stand up over time because of reliance upon norms. But good and evil don't really have meanings and what meanings they do have are extremely fluid and tied intricately with frame of reference.


Yep, exactly. Plus, the whole stepping-on-toes thing; even if science tried to define morality, that's not the job of science.
 
2013-02-07 06:58:31 PM
Science has jobs?

I think science has plenty to say about morality and morality about science. A good naturalized moral epistemology has a reciporical relation with the sciences, taking what we know and testing to see what else we should know.
 
2013-02-07 08:28:22 PM

Nurglitch: Science has jobs?

I think science has plenty to say about morality and morality about science. A good naturalized moral epistemology has a reciporical relation with the sciences, taking what we know and testing to see what else we should know.



"Science" doesn't have shiat to do with "morality".

SCIENTISTS, on the other hand...
 
2013-02-07 09:43:01 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: Nurglitch: Science has jobs?

I think science has plenty to say about morality and morality about science. A good naturalized moral epistemology has a reciporical relation with the sciences, taking what we know and testing to see what else we should know.


"Science" doesn't have shiat to do with "morality".

SCIENTISTS, on the other hand...


The practice of knowledge goes hand in hand with how we should pursue that knowledge. One deals with the way things are and one deals with the way things should be. I would believe either to be more accurate if they cross-pollenated on occasion. It's a pity the flowers...I mean scienticians and philosophyists...don't work well together. Maybe we should spray them with pheromones.
 
2013-02-08 12:14:58 AM

RobSeace: Smallberries: Can we DRILL IT OUT?

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GET OUT OF MY HEAD

That was my thinking exactly.

So, is there a school of 'drill out the bad ideas' psychology?

Does anyone under the age of 40 get that picture?
 
2013-02-08 06:31:09 AM

Smallberries: Does anyone under the age of 40 get that picture?


I think quite a few other Farkers have seen Pi, and recognize that particular image... Though, admittedly, I am over 40, so maybe it is just an old fart's movie, and I never realized it...


/9:13, Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six I did.
 
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