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2013-02-06 02:55:45 PM  
Meh.  I invented the perpetual inertia machine.  I personally guarantee each and every one to stay at rest when placed at rest, and likewise guaranteed to stay in motion once set in motion*.


*Warranty only applies if machine is not acted upon by outside forces.
 
2013-02-06 02:58:21 PM  
Man I love it when subby puts so much work into coming up with a catchy headline.
 
2013-02-06 03:02:10 PM  
/it just keeps going faster and faster...
 
2013-02-06 03:02:58 PM  

Burr: /it just keeps going faster and faster...


Curse my thrown away image!

/In this house we obey the laws of THERMODYNAMICS!
 
2013-02-06 03:03:58 PM  
It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.
 
2013-02-06 03:14:52 PM  

timujin: It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.


Guess what happens when you rig it up to a generator.
 
2013-02-06 03:15:58 PM  

timujin: It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.


It would have take into account the cost of rare-earth metals and how often the magnets have to be replaced.  Prices have fallen recently but by definition, mineral-based energy is not renewable.
 
2013-02-06 03:17:18 PM  

timujin: It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.


There is no way to make that do work or store energy without friction stopping it.
 
2013-02-06 03:18:22 PM  
Hoax:
i63.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 03:22:06 PM  

Frozboz: Hoax:
i63.photobucket.com


Well, there you go.
 
2013-02-06 03:25:23 PM  
So has anyone taken the time to determine the efficiency/work transfer of this thing before we all just thumb our noses at it?  Because from what I can tell here this is at least many times more efficient than a simple flywheel, and that's an important part of many systems.  I mean, obviously having a bunch of magnets in a system will make design more complex, but it's not that rare to have magnets in mechanical systems.
 
2013-02-06 03:26:07 PM  

DVDave: Man I love it when subby puts so much work into coming up with a catchy headline.


This bothers me too.  I constantly try to write a funny headline only to constantly be rejected, yet shiat like this gets greened all the time

/bitter
 
2013-02-06 03:26:14 PM  

Frozboz: Hoax:
[i63.photobucket.com image 500x376]


So he's using a little air to keep it going as well, what's the big deal?  Air is free, right?


i3.kym-cdn.com
/oblig
 
2013-02-06 03:27:22 PM  

Tigger: timujin: It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.

Guess what happens when you rig it up to a generator.


Explosion? I'm not an expert.
 
2013-02-06 03:30:06 PM  

dittybopper: Meh. I invented the perpetual inertia machine. I personally guarantee each and every one to stay at rest when placed at rest, and likewise guaranteed to stay in motion once set in motion*.

*Warranty only applies if machine is not acted upon by outside forces.


Dear Consumerist: I recently purchased one of Mr. Bopper's machines and at first it seemed to be moving along just fine. But then I switched to a different reference frame and it suddenly stopped! Now the only thing 'perpetual' is the grudge I'm going to hold against this company's shoddy craftsmanship and false advertising.
 
2013-02-06 03:30:26 PM  
What is going on in that hoax picture?
 
2013-02-06 03:30:47 PM  
Then it should be called a "perpetual awesome machine".
 
2013-02-06 03:30:53 PM  
Perpetual motion machines are what happens when the type of person likely to become a 'truther' or moon landing denier happens to be educated and they are no less retarded.
 
2013-02-06 03:33:56 PM  
Since he used "awesome" twice, subby must really like "awesome."

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-06 03:35:49 PM  
hrmmmm....yeah on second thought I'm not even sure this would be more efficient than a flywheel.  The energy you are gaining on the accelerating side of the "bump" is the same as on the decelerating side, and the same goes for the little extra work you get from gravity in dropping the rod.  The only difference between this and a flywheel is that a flywheel has less points of contact (less friction)....
 
2013-02-06 03:36:08 PM  

spawn73: What is going on in that hoax picture?


Notice the pneumatic air nozzle pointed at the machine, which is conveniently not shown in the video.
 
2013-02-06 03:36:09 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Tigger: timujin: It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.

Guess what happens when you rig it up to a generator.

Explosion? I'm not an expert.


It will stop because of the resistance introduced by the generator.
 
2013-02-06 03:36:46 PM  

spawn73: What is going on in that hoax picture?


an air jet is causing it to spin, not the magnetic forces.
 
2013-02-06 03:37:44 PM  

Frozboz: spawn73: What is going on in that hoax picture?

Notice the pneumatic air nozzle pointed at the machine, which is conveniently not shown in the video.


Hey, it's perpetual as long as you keep pushing on it!
1. Just don't stop pushing
2. free energy!
3.  Profit

/durr
 
2013-02-06 03:40:09 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Since he used "awesome" twice, subby must really like "awesome."

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x282]


Holly cow, when was C.K. on fox?
 
2013-02-06 03:43:24 PM  

Frozboz: spawn73: What is going on in that hoax picture?

Notice the pneumatic air nozzle pointed at the machine, which is conveniently not shown in the video.


Ah yes, that's what it is.

First time I saw it, I told my friend it wouldn't work because this and this, but I couldn't explain how it could accelerate (which it does). But now I know.
 
2013-02-06 03:45:03 PM  

Ivo Shandor: dittybopper: Meh. I invented the perpetual inertia machine. I personally guarantee each and every one to stay at rest when placed at rest, and likewise guaranteed to stay in motion once set in motion*.

*Warranty only applies if machine is not acted upon by outside forces.

Dear Consumerist: I recently purchased one of Mr. Bopper's machines and at first it seemed to be moving along just fine. But then I switched to a different reference frame and it suddenly stopped! Now the only thing 'perpetual' is the grudge I'm going to hold against this company's shoddy craftsmanship and false advertising.


Dear Consumerist:  As the manufacturer of the patented "Perpetual Inertia Machines", I feel it is important to point out that Mr. Shandor, in setting the machine in motion, voided the warranty which plainly states the one exception to the our guarantee:  Outside forces.  Clearly, since Mr. Shandor is not internal to the machine itself, his manipulation of it voided the warranty.  Had he merely observed it instead of interacting with it, we would be more inclined to take his claim seriously, however since the plain meaning our our short, one sentence warranty is simple enough for a junior high science student to understand, we are forced to deny his claim under this warranty.
 
2013-02-06 03:50:13 PM  

Ivo Shandor: dittybopper: Meh. I invented the perpetual inertia machine. I personally guarantee each and every one to stay at rest when placed at rest, and likewise guaranteed to stay in motion once set in motion*.

*Warranty only applies if machine is not acted upon by outside forces.

Dear Consumerist: I recently purchased one of Mr. Bopper's machines and at first it seemed to be moving along just fine. But then I switched to a different reference frame and it suddenly stopped! Now the only thing 'perpetual' is the grudge I'm going to hold against this company's shoddy craftsmanship and false advertising.



Sounds like you allowed or caused an outside force to act upon it. But since we can spin this for our own purposes: we at The Consumerist view this as an outrage!
 
2013-02-06 03:51:22 PM  
It's driving me nuts...what the hell is the name of the song playing in the background. I know it, but can't recall from where.
 
2013-02-06 03:55:52 PM  

dittybopper: Ivo Shandor: dittybopper: Meh. I invented the perpetual inertia machine. I personally guarantee each and every one to stay at rest when placed at rest, and likewise guaranteed to stay in motion once set in motion*.

*Warranty only applies if machine is not acted upon by outside forces.

Dear Consumerist: I recently purchased one of Mr. Bopper's machines and at first it seemed to be moving along just fine. But then I switched to a different reference frame and it suddenly stopped! Now the only thing 'perpetual' is the grudge I'm going to hold against this company's shoddy craftsmanship and false advertising.

Dear Consumerist:  As the manufacturer of the patented "Perpetual Inertia Machines", I feel it is important to point out that Mr. Shandor, in setting the machine in motion, voided the warranty which plainly states the one exception to the our guarantee:  Outside forces.  Clearly, since Mr. Shandor is not internal to the machine itself, his manipulation of it voided the warranty.  Had he merely observed it instead of interacting with it, we would be more inclined to take his claim seriously, however since the plain meaning our our short, one sentence warranty is simple enough for a junior high science student to understand, we are forced to deny his claim under this warranty.


My client Mr.  Ivor Shandor was not the one who voided the warranty. In shipping the device Dittybopper Corp allowed outside forces to act upon it. This clearly a case of defective goods and we will be filing a class action suit to bring justice and closure to the matter on behalf of all customers of   Dittybopper Corp*.

*Legal fees will be deducted from the total settlement prior to distribution to clients
 
2013-02-06 04:00:56 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Sounds like you allowed or caused an outside force to act upon it.


No, I merely changed the perspective from which I chose to observe it. This naturally required applying a force to myself so that I could move to a different reference frame, but the machine was never affected.
 
2013-02-06 04:04:36 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Feral_and_Preposterous: Sounds like you allowed or caused an outside force to act upon it.

No, I merely changed the perspective from which I chose to observe it. This naturally required applying a force to myself so that I could move to a different reference frame, but the machine was never affected.


Except that because there are no privileged frames of reference, applying a force to yourself is identical to applying a force to the machine, and in fact indistinguishable for the purposes of the warranty.
 
2013-02-06 04:07:46 PM  

timujin: It may not be "perpetual", but it looks like it'll run for quite a while.  If you can use it to generate power, which seems pretty straightforward, it'll be a hell of a cheap source.


Hmmmm, you "work for a company that puts robots on other planets" and you seriously entertained the thought that some useful energy could be extracted from that thing (before the hoax revelation, of course)?  I hope you aren't directly responsible for applying physics at work ;)
 
2013-02-06 04:17:42 PM  

RatOmeter: I hope you aren't directly responsible for applying physics at work ;)


He's not in the military.
 
2013-02-06 04:23:48 PM  
Heh. I love perpetual motion machines. Some of the patents for them (and zero point energy extraction machines, and warp travel engines, and other impossibilities) are hilariously awesome.
 
2013-02-06 04:36:24 PM  
Please go back to high school physics class, you obviously skipped the day they taught the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

You probably don't know who you are though.
 
2013-02-06 04:39:08 PM  

Theaetetus: Heh. I love perpetual motion machines. Some of the patents for them (and zero point energy extraction machines, and warp travel engines, and other impossibilities) are hilariously awesome.


I assume you mean "denied patent applications" :)
 
2013-02-06 04:39:59 PM  
Pretty certain I've seen "perpetual" motion machines that run on magnets at Spencer's before.

I was thinking it was just something like that, but then the hoax pictures above.  Alas.  It looked cool though!
 
2013-02-06 04:40:21 PM  

dennysgod: It's driving me nuts...what the hell is the name of the song playing in the background. I know it, but can't recall from where.


Jean Michele Jarre. Oxegene Part IV.
 
2013-02-06 04:42:58 PM  

dennysgod: It's driving me nuts...what the hell is the name of the song playing in the background. I know it, but can't recall from where.


The song is  Oxygene (Part IV)by Jean Michel Jarre.  You might be familiar with it from the soundtrack to the movie Gallipoli.
 
2013-02-06 04:43:40 PM  

Ed Grubermann: dennysgod: It's driving me nuts...what the hell is the name of the song playing in the background. I know it, but can't recall from where.

Jean Michele Jarre. Oxegene Part IV.


Damn these slow hands.
 
2013-02-06 04:47:40 PM  
Can't I go one day without being reminded that the sun will eventually burn out?
 
2013-02-06 04:49:26 PM  

RatOmeter: Theaetetus: Heh. I love perpetual motion machines. Some of the patents for them (and zero point energy extraction machines, and warp travel engines, and other impossibilities) are hilariously awesome.

I assume you mean "denied patent applications" :)


Nope. Patents. The trick is that you don't actually claim the perpetual motion part, you claim the buildable, working part that does something a lot less interesting.
It's actually a nice litmus test for people who read claims vs. just reading the abstracts.
 
2013-02-06 04:51:58 PM  
What exactly was that hoax trying to fake? The directions of magnetization between the discs on the wheel and the bouncing bar are orthogonal; I do not care to think about it further, but at first glance I do not understand how the forces are driving the change in angular momentum.
 
2013-02-06 04:52:56 PM  
the music and style make it look like some british industrial film from the 1970s.
 
2013-02-06 05:13:06 PM  
I remember seeing almost the same device several years ago.  The only difference is the cam on the end that raises the bar magnet once every look (mimics the motion the tester was doing manually earlier in the film)  Without that cam, the device has the tendency to eventually get stuck at the switchover.  Run a search on You tube and you should find a bunch of different videos over the last several years that show models that look about the same as the linked video.

/Nice troll with the hoax photo.
 
2013-02-06 05:19:04 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Since he used "awesome" twice, subby must really like "awesome."



img.gawkerassets.com

F*cking Awesome!
 
2013-02-06 05:31:29 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-02-06 06:10:18 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Feral_and_Preposterous: Sounds like you allowed or caused an outside force to act upon it.

No, I merely changed the perspective from which I chose to observe it. This naturally required applying a force to myself so that I could move to a different reference frame, but the machine was never affected.


Schrodinger's cat frowns upon your shenanigans.

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

 
2013-02-06 06:24:35 PM  
It's rather hard to decide who are trolls and who actually believe in this thing.

Magnets and gravity work in both directions. Especially with some sound editing an air nozzle would work really well at keeping that turd going.
 
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