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2013-02-06 07:40:14 PM  

yukichigai: Add to this that if all three mysteriously and independently decide to block used games there will be a deluge of lawsuits faster than you can say "collusion and restraint of trade."


No class action ones though, those are all banned in the TOS.
 
2013-02-06 07:40:28 PM  
Yet you idiots will still pay far out the ass for the new Xbox and its DRM incrusted games regardless. I guarantee it. That's the only reason manufacturers can keep pulling shiat like this. Stop giving them your money and they'll stop being shiatty.
 
2013-02-06 07:40:39 PM  

MrSteve007: Ha, so now you're down to arguing margins? As a business owner, what would you rather have?


Margins, by far, because let's be honest - we're not the business owners, but business  investors. You forget, there's Angry Birds, Angry Birds:Space, Angry Birds: Star Wars, Angry Birds: Rio, etc., and new versions can be cranked out in a month or two. I'd rather have a 50000% rate of return on my investment, with my capital only "tied up" for a few weeks, giving it an annual rate of return that's simply astronomical, than have a 1000% rate of return on an investment that takes several years to develop, giving it an annual rate of return of far less.
 
hej
2013-02-06 07:42:40 PM  
The new Xbox will lock games to one system, says Sony's PR firm.
 
2013-02-06 07:45:38 PM  
Why is this rumor being posted/treated as truth? Just to give people an excuse to bash Microsoft, and praise that wonderful Mom & Pop company called Sony?
 
2013-02-06 07:48:53 PM  

GreenAdder: BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

Yeah. And buy nothing but brand-new cars from now on. Think of all those people in the manufacturing sector who miss out every year because those cheap jerks bought used cars. Let's not forget all the architects put out of work by people buying pre-owned houses. And I don't even want to get into how much I hate it when people lend each other books.

You know what really honked me off? I wound up at this place called a "pawn shop," and it was full of used stuff. Clothes, electronics, guitars, movies...  I kept thinking to myself, "you cheap jerks! Gibson isn't making any money from the sale of that guitar!"


Not to mention, what kind of society do we live in where we should throw shiat away just because we've grown bored of it?

Second hand markets help keep shiat from being wasted.
 
2013-02-06 07:49:03 PM  

The Larch: BumpInTheNight: mcreadyblue: moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?

Linux pretty much is a game.

It does often remind me of Myst, that's for sure.

At least I could get the sound to work in Myst


Are you telling me that the next step of learning Linux is one of those damn sound puzzles??
 
2013-02-06 07:50:07 PM  

andyofne: GreenAdder: BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

Yeah. And buy nothing but brand-new cars from now on. Think of all those people in the manufacturing sector who miss out every year because those cheap jerks bought used cars. Let's not forget all the architects put out of work by people buying pre-owned houses. And I don't even want to get into how much I hate it when people lend each other books.

You know what really honked me off? I wound up at this place called a "pawn shop," and it was full of used stuff. Clothes, electronics, guitars, movies...  I kept thinking to myself, "you cheap jerks! Gibson isn't making any money from the sale of that guitar!"

Not to mention, what kind of society do we live in where we should throw shiat away just because we've grown bored of it?

Second hand markets help keep shiat from being wasted.


slurmed.com
 
2013-02-06 07:51:14 PM  

crab66: Welcome to PC gaming?


I dunno. I think it was Far Cry 2 that offered a way to deregister a game from your computer so you could transfer it to someone else. Which was epically handy because that game sucked ass so bad.
 
2013-02-06 07:51:54 PM  

miniflea: ladyfortuna


Combination of Clist, facebook groups (seriously), and classified ads mostly. Also I used to work at EBGamestop back in the day and hoarded a bunch of marketing materials, which apparently people like and want to buy from me now. That's the other reason I'll probably get out at some point, most of that stuff is usually worth more than 'ten copies of crappy sports games from your closet' but there's a finite supply.
 
2013-02-06 07:55:14 PM  

YodaBlues: StubePT: Step 1: Create rumor that you'll kill used game sales.

Step 2a: Wait for Gamestop to panic.

Step 2b: Make a deal with Gamestop for a cut of all used game sales.

Step 3: Profit.

Yep, pretty much.


If game shops had agreed a 10% markup on pre-owned games and fed that to the houses 15 years ago shat wouldn't be remotely this bad. Those 9 billion FIFA pre-owneds currently in shops might have actually been worth the media they were printed on. For a little longer.

/EA Take note
 
2013-02-06 07:55:56 PM  
I've been saying for nearly a year-and-a-half that console video games are screwed.  Welcome to the dying throes of a format which is hemorrhaging customers and whose only recourse is "make the existing audience pay more money for the same stuff."  But please, continue to convince yourselves the underwhelming 3DS, Vita, and Wii U numbers aren't consistent with a market that no longer wants to pay hundreds of dollars to adopt a video game platform, a market where people can play games on their phone or computer for free.

way south: I mean, fark gamestop. They ripoff gamers to milk money from the industry while producing nothing. The next entity that needs to be farked over is walmart, and then the publishers themselves. They encourage physical media and exert arbitrary design influence because gamers are too stupid to download product strait from the developers.


Used video game sales and retail have been a part of American video games since the late eighties.  Video game companies realized they had no recourse for the American first-sale doctrine, and to some degree endorsed resale, because the sale of those old games got money into the hands of consumers, allowing them to buy new games.  The video game industry only started caring when 1) GameStop centralized American video game retail about an extremely margin-heavy take on used games, and 2) both the economy and the exodus of the Wii boomers left all these companies scraping for money that doesn't exist anymore.
 
2013-02-06 07:56:50 PM  
Sony and Microsoft will get hammered if they take this path.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the recent ruling in Euroland that requires digital purchases to be transferable. I'm sure there is nothing that the EU courts would like to do more than fine Sony and MS a few billion dollars and THEN make them patch their hardware to allow consumers to transfer ownership.
 
2013-02-06 07:57:34 PM  

sephjnr: YodaBlues: StubePT: Step 1: Create rumor that you'll kill used game sales.

Step 2a: Wait for Gamestop to panic.

Step 2b: Make a deal with Gamestop for a cut of all used game sales.

Step 3: Profit.

Yep, pretty much.

If game shops had agreed a 10% markup on pre-owned games and fed that to the houses 15 years ago shat wouldn't be remotely this bad. Those 9 billion FIFA pre-owneds currently in shops might have actually been worth the media they were printed on. For a little longer.

/EA Take note


Sports games seem to be one of the biggest rackets in video gaming. Every year, people line up like Alzheimer's patients and drop $60 on the same damn game so they can have the updated players names and faces.

Then again, the last sports game I actively played was Lakers v Celtics on my Sega Genesis.
 
2013-02-06 07:58:22 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

The Ouya might actually have a chance to kick MS and Sony's ass, after all.

For those who don't know, it's an Android-based console that is mostly open, meaning anyone can develop for it without an expensive dev kit, as long as they honor the requirement of the game having some "free to play" features.

And don't let the fact that it's Android-based make you think it's all tablet games or mobile games. There are some nice titles being developed. Of course, with an open platform you're going to get a lot of crap, too, but I think the cream will float to the top.

The Ouya's only $99, and I suspect it will be more of a challenger than the big boys think.
 
2013-02-06 07:59:27 PM  

Myria: Those who complain about the price of AAA games today must not have been around when Super Mario Bros. 3 came out for $75.


Yes, but SMB 3 didn't have on-cartridge content that you had to pay between $5 to $20 to unlock, or require a continuous internet connection to play, or have ridiculous DRM, or require a patch every other week.

BTW - You paid $75 for SMB 3? You go ripped off. I got it for $55. The last time I paid $75 for a game was EarthBound, and it came in a large box with an awesome strategy guide.
 
2013-02-06 07:59:36 PM  

madgonad: Sony and Microsoft will get hammered if they take this path.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the recent ruling in Euroland that requires digital purchases to be transferable. I'm sure there is nothing that the EU courts would like to do more than fine Sony and MS a few billion dollars and THEN make them patch their hardware to allow consumers to transfer ownership.


There should be some sort of a transferable ownership, but the video game companies would never allow it.
 
2013-02-06 08:01:54 PM  

Felgraf: Why all the gamestop hate? Sure, the central office can be dicks, but sometimes the employees are damn good. The ones at my local shop are pretty friggen helpful, knowledgeable, and friendly to talk with-I have even seen them steer people away from crap games/games that they would likely not enjoy.

/I realize this is probably the exception to the rule.


My typical experience involves being told that I need to pre-order some game in a genre totally opposite from whatever I am buying. And getting 5 bucks off the full price of the game because it's used. Screw that.
 
2013-02-06 08:04:07 PM  
Glad I'm a PC gamer!
 
2013-02-06 08:10:57 PM  

grimlock1972: Well looks like i won't be buying the next gen Xbox then nor Sony's offering if they stick with this cockamamie idea.  Nintendo will never go for this so they will poised to take advantage if Sony and Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot.

Steam is great if you have a fast enough internet service to take advantage of it , i for one do not.


Which explains why Nintendo is taking over the market right now and destroying the competition.

Oh wait - no they are not - their brand new console is being buried by 10 year old boxes from Microsoft and Sony and there overall market share is dropping by the hour.

/this is the future dude - get over it
 
2013-02-06 08:12:42 PM  

Fano: Felgraf: Why all the gamestop hate? Sure, the central office can be dicks, but sometimes the employees are damn good. The ones at my local shop are pretty friggen helpful, knowledgeable, and friendly to talk with-I have even seen them steer people away from crap games/games that they would likely not enjoy.

/I realize this is probably the exception to the rule.

My typical experience involves being told that I need to pre-order some game in a genre totally opposite from whatever I am buying. And getting 5 bucks off the full price of the game because it's used. Screw that.


I'm on friendly terms with the manager and one or two other guys at the local one, but one of the other employees treated me like a know-nothing customer after I asked a normal question, most likely due to being female. Neither of the guys I know were there at the time or he'd probably have gotten an earful. I don't go in all that often but when I do I tend to drop a couple hundred, mostly on stuff for resale. The manager knows that since he has to do the tax-free form, but he's cool with it since they're still making their cut. The other guy actually told me outright that he barely plays games anymore and most of the employees just read their magazine and regurgitate the info to customers.

I think the overall attitude of the district managers has a lot of influence on how the stores run, honestly. Back when I worked at one, the DM had trained almost all the current store managers as entry level sales associates and he himself was a store manager. I'm pretty sure that's why those five years started out amazing and slowly started to suck, since the company went public at the same time.
 
2013-02-06 08:20:45 PM  

WalkingCarpet: WalkingCarpet: I seriously doubt this is true, it would be the death knell for the Xbox brand and Microsoft must know it.

Hate to quote myself but I guess this is the company that released a product where 64% of the available disk space is taken up by the OS so maybe they are this stupid.


This is explained in the reddit q&a, the space is taken up by the recovery partition, which you can xfer to a usb drive (I did this on my Surface RT to recover about 5 GB of space)
 
2013-02-06 08:27:04 PM  
$60 for XBOX Live subs, $60+ for the games(my guess $80+ for new system),  DLC costs and or yearly access fees for games.

Getting way out of hand.
 
2013-02-06 08:33:12 PM  
My Wii-U was a wise choice.. I want fun games, not a dick measuring contest any DRM facial..
 
2013-02-06 08:33:37 PM  
Ummm hello!

Star Citizen is a PC game. Consoles no longer matter!!
 
2013-02-06 08:44:48 PM  
Sweet, so I can skip the next console generation and finally start catching up on games from the current gen.

Need to finish Oblivion: Shivering Isles
Need to finish a 2nd playthrough of fallout (with all of the DLC)
Need to finish a 1st playthrough of fallout NV
Need to finish skyrim
Need to finish a 2nd playthrough of mass effect 1,2,3 (with assorted DLC)
Need to finish/refinish a few random games
Need to buy some games that are in a series that I like, but fell through the cracks due to a lack of time (EX, any Tom Clancy game made since GRAW2).
 
2013-02-06 08:47:23 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

which means there's going to be a massive resurgence in computer gaming as consoles die a slow, strangled death.


www.ozgameshop.com

/Only Steam can save us now
 
2013-02-06 08:52:15 PM  

ZeroCorpse: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x478]

The Ouya might actually have a chance to kick MS and Sony's ass, after all.


Maybe.  As I said upthread, Engadget did an interview with three developers who got their hands on Ouya dev kits and are currently developing for it.  They said the best it can do is late-PS2 visuals.

Now that's cool and all for the mobile game market and maybe a little upwards but, and I can only speak for myself, I'm looking for a wee bit (ok, a lot) more pixel pushing power for my big-ass HDTV and that makes the Ouya the Wii of next-gen.  If I want to play that level of a game, I'll stick to them on a tablet where the small screen size serves the content well.

Now I certainly hope Microsoft doesn't adopt this model because as a gamer I want to play everything but if they do, I'll pass on the next Xbox and stick with the PS4 and Wii U.

Sony would be crazy to adopt this model as they can have a huge built-in advantage over Microsoft before the race even starts.  Oh and I read that devs are already saying that the PS4 is a dream to code for unlike the PS3 and is easier to develop for than the Durango.  Seems like Sony learned some valuable lessons from the PS3 launch debacle when they were drunk on power from the success of the PS2.

Of course all this locked out used game stuff could be total bullshiat and make this TLDR post completely pointless.
 
2013-02-06 08:53:23 PM  

lordargent: Sweet, so I can skip the next console generation and finally start catching up on games from the current gen.

Need to finish Oblivion: Shivering Isles
Need to finish a 2nd playthrough of fallout (with all of the DLC)
Need to finish a 1st playthrough of fallout NV
Need to finish skyrim
Need to finish a 2nd playthrough of mass effect 1,2,3 (with assorted DLC)
Need to finish/refinish a few random games
Need to buy some games that are in a series that I like, but fell through the cracks due to a lack of time (EX, any Tom Clancy game made since GRAW2).


I feel your pain but in reverse: I got sucked into WoW for five years and completely neglected my other consoles and PC games, so I have stacks I haven't really played. I did however work through most of those Bethesda titles already though, which means I can finally start whittling away at the short games.

Never did I think I'd call a Final Fantasy game 'short' though, but 300+ hours in Skyrim do not lie.
 
2013-02-06 08:59:21 PM  

madgonad: Sony and Microsoft will get hammered if they take this path.


If restrictive, idiotic and even destructive DRM is so detrimental to sales then why do EA, Ubisoft and Activision-Blizzard continue to trounce their competition and rake in billions in profit each year?
 
2013-02-06 09:00:57 PM  
My computer, not being very powerful, can't run skyrim, hell, sometimes it runs Fallout NV a little slow (renders distance like shiate, for example, since I need to zoom in to see a little bit beyond), and I really like RPGs, so I'm looking for an action RPG with freaking roleplaying elements to it, a decent story, and decent graphics. So far, I have Skyrim, but on the xbox, and NV. My guess it's possible get Fallout 3 (which I already beat), or either Oblivion or Morrowind, but any suggestions are welcome :) .
 
2013-02-06 09:03:37 PM  

WalkingCarpet: Now that's cool and all for the mobile game market and maybe a little upwards but, and I can only speak for myself, I'm looking for a wee bit (ok, a lot) more pixel pushing power for my big-ass HDTV and that makes the Ouya the Wii of next-gen. If I want to play that level of a game, I'll stick to them on a tablet where the small screen size serves the content well.


The thing that you are discounting here is that it takes a studio to develop for a console whereas there will be a lot of indy development for the Android consoles.

They may not have the power of the big boxes but there's gonna be a few gems out there instead of the regurgitated crap that comes out of the studios.
 
2013-02-06 09:03:46 PM  

Weaver95: which means there's going to be a massive resurgence in computer gaming as consoles die a slow, strangled death.


I don't know about that. A good gaming setup is pretty expensive.
 
2013-02-06 09:04:29 PM  
Seems legit.
 
2013-02-06 09:07:44 PM  

Farking Canuck: The thing that you are discounting here is that it takes a studio to develop for a console whereas there will be a lot of indy development for the Android consoles.

They may not have the power of the big boxes but there's gonna be a few gems out there instead of the regurgitated crap that comes out of the studios.


Agreed which why at $99 it's a low-risk gaming investment that I'll probably wind up checking out no matter what.
 
2013-02-06 09:13:32 PM  

Mugato: Weaver95: which means there's going to be a massive resurgence in computer gaming as consoles die a slow, strangled death.

I don't know about that. A good gaming setup is pretty expensive.


I am a die hard PC gamer but even I have to admit that consoles are going to be dominant for the next while in some form or another. The fixed hardware and controlled ecosystem is just too attractive to developers.

The fact is that if the idiots would put proper keyboard and mouse controls on the damn things I would probably use one myself. The games I play are orders of magnitude better with the proper controls.
 
2013-02-06 09:21:53 PM  

Fano: SurfaceTension: Why isn't there a game system that institutes a pay-for-play system where you pay a small fee to get the game, but each time you start the game, the system has to be connected to the internet and you pay a $0.10 fee or something like that? Or would that model even work technologically?

It's called an arcade.


The death of the video arcade is a true American tragedy. Fighting and racing games were never the same.
 
2013-02-06 09:38:26 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: Yet you idiots will still pay far out the ass for the new Xbox and its DRM incrusted games regardless. I guarantee it. That's the only reason manufacturers can keep pulling shiat like this. Stop giving them your money and they'll stop being shiatty.



That's exactly my thought.

I won't be sticking with these consoles into the future, should the no used games clause become reality.

You hit it on the head, my friend.
 
2013-02-06 09:38:52 PM  
Anything that kills the used car market is good to me.  Pay the auto-makers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

The automobile industry makes money from repairing old cars.  No one needs to have their game repaired.

Anything that kills the used textbook market is good to me.  Pay the authors you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

Anything that kills the used DVD market is good to me.  Pay the studios you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.


Both used textbook and dvd sales have the same problem as used video game sales.

In the case of used textbooks the situation is not as bad
1) There is always a new edition that comes out which forces people to finally buy a new book.
2) It doesn't cost 20 million dollars to write a book

In the case of movie sales the situation is not as bad
1) They are reasonably priced because they are sold in very large quantities.
2) Movies are making money from theater showings

How often to hear about a major movie production company going out of business?

// / //

The game industry needs to find a secondary source of profit.  Charging a fee to reactive the used game could be a solution.
 
2013-02-06 09:39:19 PM  
FTA: We have not been able to confirm the veracity of this new report

..but we're still going to report it anyway, because we're Kotaku.

I'm not going to concern myself with unsubstantiated rumor posted as news. When Microsoft announces this, then I'll be up in arms - until then, though, feh.
 
2013-02-06 09:40:10 PM  
Speaking of better gaming platforms then the next-gen consoles, I just caught wind of what could be a true successor to Dungeon Keeper.  Its called Impire and its out on the PC February 14th. Neat, I really hope this one is truer to that genre then Dungeons.
/Your dungeon floors are lumpy
 
2013-02-06 09:40:53 PM  
Charging a fee to reactivatethe used game could be a solution.
 
2013-02-06 09:43:52 PM  

Farking Canuck: Mugato: Weaver95: which means there's going to be a massive resurgence in computer gaming as consoles die a slow, strangled death.

I don't know about that. A good gaming setup is pretty expensive.

I am a die hard PC gamer but even I have to admit that consoles are going to be dominant for the next while in some form or another. The fixed hardware and controlled ecosystem is just too attractive to developers.

The fact is that if the idiots would put proper keyboard and mouse controls on the damn things I would probably use one myself. The games I play are orders of magnitude better with the proper controls.


i think most people just want a fun convenient & cheap distraction... for awhile consoles were that solution but much like how online streaming upended people buying dvd's & blu-rays, small downloadable/free to play on devices people already own is sucking away consumers

there will still be a lot of people who just want another xbox or playstation but i feel like the core players - the early adopters who have the highest attach rate - are slowly drifting away from consoles as being the *only* option and much like the previously mentioned casual consumers, having options means less need to buy consoles

so that leaves a smaller consumer base that seems to only be shrinking as time goes on, maybe the old consoles being on the market for too long is skewing market trends but that's the trend, so either way Microsoft could be overplaying their hand here just like they did with Windows 8 and Surface
 
2013-02-06 10:10:23 PM  

GreenAdder: You know what really honked me off? I wound up at this place called a "pawn shop," and it was full of used stuff. Clothes, electronics, guitars, movies...  I kept thinking to myself, "you cheap jerks! Gibson isn't making any money from the sale of that guitar!"


Did you remember to call your buddy over to make sure it's a real Gibson?
 
2013-02-06 10:13:16 PM  
I'd give up consoles and probably go back to PC if this were true. I've only bought a couple games (all RPGs like Oblivion or Mass Effect) that had enough playtime to justify $60 and even fewer FPS worth that (Far Cry 3 being the last and that was because it was a good 40 hours of playtime on single).

Most single player campaigns are like 10 hours at best and try to make up for lack of content with online play.
 
2013-02-06 10:20:39 PM  

ladyfortuna: lordargent: Sweet, so I can skip the next console generation and finally start catching up on games from the current gen.

Need to finish Oblivion: Shivering Isles
Need to finish a 2nd playthrough of fallout (with all of the DLC)
Need to finish a 1st playthrough of fallout NV
Need to finish skyrim

Need to finish a 2nd playthrough of mass effect 1,2,3 (with assorted DLC)
Need to finish/refinish a few random games
Need to buy some games that are in a series that I like, but fell through the cracks due to a lack of time (EX, any Tom Clancy game made since GRAW2).

I feel your pain but in reverse: I got sucked into WoW for five years and completely neglected my other consoles and PC games, so I have stacks I haven't really played. I did however work through most of those Bethesda titles already though, which means I can finally start whittling away at the short games.

Never did I think I'd call a Final Fantasy game 'short' though, but 300+ hours in Skyrim do not lie.


Doing this right now.  Currently on two, and playing it on insanity as a new character and a class I've never played before (adept) and it's tough but man is it fun.  I'm really looking forward to replaying the third game as well.  When I finish that I will probably pick up Skyrim again.  Not sure if I should start a new guy or grind my existing guy up to the max.

Oh, and I never would have gotten into Mass Effect in the first place if I hadn't picked up the first game used for fifteen bucks.

As for Gamestop, I have always felt that as a videogame store I should like them a lot more than I do.  I don't like how hard they push used games, and I really don't like asking for an unopened new game and having the guy say any words other than "ok, that will be money dollars please".  It really does vary from store to store though.  A buddy of mine recently started working at one and while he doesn't particularly enjoy pushing all the things they have to push, his manager isn't an enormous douche about it and he has the good fortune to work in a high volume mall location so he doesn't have to try too hard.
 
2013-02-06 10:24:32 PM  

CygnusDarius: My computer, not being very powerful, can't run skyrim, hell, sometimes it runs Fallout NV a little slow (renders distance like shiate, for example, since I need to zoom in to see a little bit beyond), and I really like RPGs, so I'm looking for an action RPG with freaking roleplaying elements to it, a decent story, and decent graphics. So far, I have Skyrim, but on the xbox, and NV. My guess it's possible get Fallout 3 (which I already beat), or either Oblivion or Morrowind, but any suggestions are welcome :) .


Xbox versions of Fallout 3 and Oblivion are just fine as long as you won't miss mods.  Morrowind was released for the original Xbox and compared to the PC version was just plain terrible, and this from a guy who plays Minecraft on his Xbox.
 
2013-02-06 10:43:10 PM  

SurelyShirley: GreenAdder: You know what really honked me off? I wound up at this place called a "pawn shop," and it was full of used stuff. Clothes, electronics, guitars, movies...  I kept thinking to myself, "you cheap jerks! Gibson isn't making any money from the sale of that guitar!"

Did you remember to call your buddy over to make sure it's a real Gibson?


i.imgur.com
These guys keep trying to hack it. Pretty sure it's legit.
 
2013-02-06 10:54:34 PM  

GreenAdder: These guys keep trying to hack it. Pretty sure it's legit.


God Jolie was fine in that movie.
 
2013-02-06 11:04:39 PM  
Aar1012:
For the people who think this could lower prices, do you really think big companies will do that? How big of a change is it between Madden '12 and Madden '13 and yet one is more than twice the price

When my brother-in-law gave me his spare PS3 a couple of months ago, the first thing I bought was Madden '11 for like $5 at Game Stop. Madden '13 was dropping in a couple of days for $60.

/Currently about halfway through a used copy of Borderlands 2. It's slow going, but I don't have much time to play.
//CSB
 
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