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2013-02-06 04:09:08 PM  

Kazan: whistleridge: What are you talking about? Surely a huge computer corporation like MS would never make something that cost hundreds of dollars and then died after mere weeks due to shoddy components. Why, that would be unscrupulous!

Xbox spend $3bn replacing RROD'd consoles under extended warranties. they were under NO OBLIGATION to extend those warranties.

if you want an example of a corporation being evil you should not use a situation in which the company went above and beyond their obligations to replace out of warranty hardware as a warranty replacement.


The alternative would be getting sued.  RROD was a clear manufacturing/design defect, i'd have given the lawyers a goo shot at winning a court case on that grounds.
 
2013-02-06 04:09:29 PM  
The next Xbox will require an internet connection to use and will not play second-hand games as new games will ship with a one-time activation code in small quantities until it fails.
 
2013-02-06 04:09:53 PM  

thurstonxhowell: causing


* causes
 
2013-02-06 04:10:26 PM  

GAT_00: cgraves67: Gonz: FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Okay, then platform gaming consoles will fail.

Either way.

Nah. I mean, what's going to replace them? Computers? People are getting away from desktops and laptops, and moving to tablets. And while stuff like Angry Birds is entertaining, there will still be demand for large, immersive games.

On the bright side, without the possibility of a used-game market, the initial cost of new games should drop, since software companies don't have to account for lost revenue from purchases on the second-hand market.

Or, to put it another way: you'll get over it.

I suspect YGOI is probably right, but on the other hand, tablets are only one killer app away from blowing the hell out of the console market. One compelling, deep, highly-replayable multiplayer game is all it would take to make ipads the must-have gaming platform. They're already ubiquitous. You just need a really addictive game to play on them.

Computers won't die because I've yet to find a tablet or console that could effectively play deep strategy games like my current obsession, Crusader Kings 2.  Those kinds of games simply don't play on anything except desktops and laptops, and there is plenty of market for them.


Yeah. I play Civ V on my computer all the damned time. Tablets are good competition for laptops and a lot of the casual functions of computers. But I don't expect computers to disappear. I do think that tablets could kill consoles though. It just takes one good game.
 
2013-02-06 04:10:39 PM  
Requiring an Internet connection will make any company reviled.

See: Blizzard (Diablo 3)
 
2013-02-06 04:11:05 PM  

jaylectricity: I agree that this is not going to happen, but let me give my opinion on it happening anyway.

This would mean that if your xbox broke, you'd have to buy all of your games over again if you wanted to play them on the new machine.


I don't expect it to happen, but no it wouldn't - the games would be tied to your account, not a particular piece of hardware.
 
2013-02-06 04:11:53 PM  
Take that, Gamefly!  and all those game reselling stores!

/totally a kick to the junk
 
2013-02-06 04:13:03 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: In an age where AAA game producers like Capcom are doing Day One DLC, on-disc characters, levels and endings that you have to pay to unlock or re-releasing an updated version of a game 6 months later, I have no doubt that this "rumor" will turn out to be true.

Someday we'll be telling our grandchildren of a time when video game companies sold you a game with all the content included. Then our grandkids will laugh in our faces and ask for $10 so they can unlock the second level of Resident Evil XLII.


when I was a kid, new games were $70+ in 1991 currency, produced for meager budgets by meager teams, and often followed up with sequels not too long after, expansion packs, etc and so forth.  Most games were, really, only about 4-5 hours long save for RPGS.

Total cost of ownership, over all, is about the same with inflation.
 
2013-02-06 04:13:38 PM  
Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.
 
2013-02-06 04:14:50 PM  
I'd be perfectly fine with them doing that to the PS4 as I can see no reason why I would ever upgrade from the PS3. I have zero complaints about the graphics or horsepower of the thing, I have a first generation 80 gb that is backwards compatible and there is a massive back-log of games I have yet to play and more awesome titles come out every day. If the thing would hold up, I could easily play it for another 20 years.
 
2013-02-06 04:15:22 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.


Right, because that worked so well for 3do back in the day, and loads of major Pc releases are designed for Linux OS.

I'm a major steam gamer, but I'm not sure what the hell valve is thinking here.
 
kab
2013-02-06 04:15:27 PM  
Turn X-Box Live into a free service for all registered owners, follow Steam's lead as far as having frequent sales on fairly new titles, and I don't think you'll hear many people complaining THAT much when the dust settles.

Keep trying to nickel and dime your base, however, and charging $60 despite saving a good chunk of change on the lack of physical distribution, and MS deserves to be abandoned like a sinking ship.
 
2013-02-06 04:15:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: BumpInTheNight: if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it. If that didn't exist you would damn well find you could buy games at prices you want like the the Master Gaming Race can via steam. Do I buy a lot of games at the $60 mark? Nope. Do I buy a lot of first-hand games? Yep.

What about those of us who don't want to pay the "GOTTA HAVE IT NOWNOWNOW" premium, so we wait 3-6 months for the price to drop?

// just bought AC3 and Madden 13 for a combined $45
// (obviously) not at Gamestop


Dealzon.com has been a godsend. Thanks to them, I got a new copy of Prototype 2 for $20, and scored Dishonored and Sleeping Dogs together for $60, both new.
 
2013-02-06 04:15:38 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.


I would love for that to happen as their launch title would HAVE to be a new half life.

/won't be right without Kelly Bailey though
 
2013-02-06 04:17:27 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Well yah that's pretty much what I'm doing, there's a lot of games that initially release for $60 but I'm not enticed enough to pay that much so I just wait a month or two, voila the price on steam goes down due to either a sale or the game's initial price point didn't accurately reflect the demand for it.  Some publishers start games are a price lower then $60 right off the bat, its great.  Either way I buy games for the prices I want and know that the profits from the sale go back to a platform that lets me do all of this from the comfort of my home and to the developers who provided the game.


I do the same thing, only with Half/eBay/NewEgg/etc. I'm running a 360, sue me. (Not knowing much about Steam - they don't do consoles, correct? I have bought a few GOGs - the Total Annihilation series is FARKING AWESOME - and even though my installed copy of Heroes of M&M 2 crashes my system, I love the ability to buy an old game I love for $6 and not worry about licensing, tracking a CD key, DRM or any of that shiat).

What will GameFly do if this goes through? Will they have to ship only new copies, then destroy them or recycle them for a new one? (I'm thinking of the retarded licensing issue that forced companies to literally print new DVDs any time someone wanted a rental then recycle the disc when it was returned, rather than keep a library of discs.)
 
2013-02-06 04:18:12 PM  

mainstreet62: Requiring an Internet connection will make any company reviled.

See: Blizzard (Diablo 3)


While the internet connection thing didn't help them very much, Diablo 3 was just kind of lackluster as a game.
 
kab
2013-02-06 04:18:19 PM  

scottydoesntknow: So who's gonna be the first to cast the stone in the inevitable PC vs. Console flamewar that these threads always devolve into?


No need to argue about something as obvious as the color of the sky.

/silly rabbit, consoles are for plebs.
 
2013-02-06 04:18:21 PM  

whistleridge: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Yeah,,,not going to happen. Unlike a website paywall, which requires only a small investment and still doesn't pay off very well, this is a HUGE investment. And all the other guy has to do to kill you is say 'hey...no paywall'. End of game, right there.

No way this happens.


Yeah that totally worked for unlimited data on cell phones
 
2013-02-06 04:19:04 PM  

Antimatter: Kazan: whistleridge: What are you talking about? Surely a huge computer corporation like MS would never make something that cost hundreds of dollars and then died after mere weeks due to shoddy components. Why, that would be unscrupulous!

Xbox spend $3bn replacing RROD'd consoles under extended warranties. they were under NO OBLIGATION to extend those warranties.

if you want an example of a corporation being evil you should not use a situation in which the company went above and beyond their obligations to replace out of warranty hardware as a warranty replacement.

The alternative would be getting sued.  RROD was a clear manufacturing/design defect, i'd have given the lawyers a goo shot at winning a court case on that grounds.


maybe, however they did it without being sued, they admitted it was a manufacturing defect without getting sued, and they had a lenient policy that would replace boxes that probably didn't have the defect just because they showed similar symptoms.

manufacturing defects happen, doesn't matter how big the company is. it matters how they handle it.
 
2013-02-06 04:19:54 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.


Since when do people make games for Linux?
 
2013-02-06 04:20:18 PM  
Meh.I never buy anything just released anyway. By the time I get around to buying something, the price of new or used is almost negligible. It's the same with Steam. I wait for sales with deep discounts. Either way, I win.

/In other words, I'm married.
//Probably won't get a next gen console until at least 2 years after it's been released.
 
2013-02-06 04:22:45 PM  

moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?


There are at least two low-cost android based consoles coming out. Not sure if they will play with the big boys in terms of game quality but they've may steal some of their business
 
2013-02-06 04:23:35 PM  

kab: scottydoesntknow: So who's gonna be the first to cast the stone in the inevitable PC vs. Console flamewar that these threads always devolve into?

No need to argue about something as obvious as the color of the sky.

/silly rabbit, consoles are for plebs.


It was nice back when we could say we didn't have to deal with patches. At least we don't have to deal with drivers and faders and shiat. I still blame you for screenshots of pixels and the term "FPS" not meaning a game like Doom.
 
2013-02-06 04:24:00 PM  

WalkingCarpet: This is so stupid I can't totally believe Sony would do it.


FTFY

You're talking about the same people who thought it was a good idea to put rootkits on their cds.
 
2013-02-06 04:24:40 PM  

Farking Canuck: moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?

There are at least two low-cost android based consoles coming out. Not sure if they will play with the big boys in terms of game quality but they've may steal some of their business


So everyone's going to turn on a dime for the new thing, while no one buys it because there are no games for it.
 
2013-02-06 04:25:27 PM  
If Sony doesn't do it and Microsoft does do it, oh boy...

/Value's Box says that consoles aren't the problem, Apple is the problem BTW.
 
2013-02-06 04:28:06 PM  

Antimatter: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Right, because that worked so well for 3do back in the day, and loads of major Pc releases are designed for Linux OS.

I'm a major steam gamer, but I'm not sure what the hell valve is thinking here.


First off the 3DO is an apple to oranges comparison for a number of reasons.  First off Panasonic didn't really have name brand appeal within in the gaming community.  People are much more likely to buy a Steam console due to a general trust in Valve not to screw them.

Secondly cross platform development doesn't have to be hard anymore.  If Valve rolls a well designed version of Linux for their console and dev tools to go with it, it is a lot different than Panasonic begging people to pick up a whole new platform and develop for it in 1993.  If Valve lays the foundation well, making it work on Valve Linux won't be hard.

/plus Valve can release its operating system for general download and instantly get market share since millions of people will download it and set up a dual boot on their PC
//Valve can release a beta, stick some of their games on it for free (or on trial) and suddenly have X% of the market share without ever shipping a piece of hardware.
/especially if they drop strong hits about launch day Half Life, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead, and all the other IPs they control
 
2013-02-06 04:28:58 PM  

moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?


Linux pretty much is a game.
 
2013-02-06 04:30:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?

Linux pretty much is a game.


A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
 
2013-02-06 04:30:24 PM  
My comments after reading through this:

1.  RoHS solder is garbage.  Guys at my company couldn't get it to melt properly with our soldering irons.
2.  Microsoft meet gun.  Gun meet foot.  Microsoft pull trigger.
3.  The point about this violating fair use is valid and might be a possible route to prevent this style of marketing.  The only way around this is to not use physical media in the console.  Although, EA is already doing this in SSX (hence why i haven't bought SSX).
4.  Steam will take over if major console providers shift to this activation marketing style.  T
5.  It probably wouldn't hurt gamestop much.  They'll shift to selling new games only.  It wont be such high profit margin though.
6.  A used game is also how I got introduced to a series.  It also lets me catch up on an episode in a series I may have missed that is no longer offered as a New Game.
 
2013-02-06 04:30:32 PM  

moothemagiccow: Farking Canuck: moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?

There are at least two low-cost android based consoles coming out. Not sure if they will play with the big boys in terms of game quality but they've may steal some of their business

So everyone's going to turn on a dime for the new thing, while no one buys it because there are no games for it.


The way Valve was talking, there were going to go in and make their own flavor of Linux that was easy and attractive to make games for.  They would then populate the title list with their own IP.  I'd imagine they could also get some of the indy studios to dip their toes in the water if Valve makes dev costs low.

/as in, not games for any flavor of Linux, but just Valve's version that has specific features added and is only 100% assured to work with specific hardware configurations
 
2013-02-06 04:31:20 PM  
This thread: "Yeah, if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo refuse to let you play used games, then everybody would switch to Valve! Woohoo, hooray for Steam!"
Reality: Valve sued in Germany over the Right to Resell Games "Because Valve forbids its users to sell or transfer their accounts to another person, the exchange of games that can only be played online is impossible, she said. This means that a Steam user only partially owns games, Elbrecht said. "If I pay the full price for a game, then why am I not allowed to do with it what I want," she added."
 
2013-02-06 04:31:49 PM  

ha-ha-guy: /plus Valve can release its operating system for general download and instantly get market share since millions of people will download it and set up a dual boot on their PC


I didn't think millions of people could set up a dual boot on their PC
 
2013-02-06 04:32:09 PM  
Got an e-mail from Amazon promoting the Ouryo (sp?) console that a group of folks is using Kickstarter to run.  I can certainly imagine the companies deciding to avoid or trying to hinder used game sales.  Well, let's just say that I didn't get a Wii and an XBox until last summer; before that, I went something like four years without a console.  Outside of the occasional PC game, I won't live or die without consoles.

Besides, I have a HEPC I put together on my own hooked up to my TV.  I built it a little over a year ago, so it will need some upgrades, but I'll just go back to PC gaming and Steam Sales.

\Just Cause 2 for 2.99?
\\yes, please
\\\meanwhile, Gamestop sells it for 18.99 used
 
2013-02-06 04:32:19 PM  

Theaetetus: This thread: "Yeah, if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo refuse to let you play used games, then everybody would switch to Valve! Woohoo, hooray for Steam!"
Reality: Valve sued in Germany over the Right to Resell Games "Because Valve forbids its users to sell or transfer their accounts to another person, the exchange of games that can only be played online is impossible, she said. This means that a Steam user only partially owns games, Elbrecht said. "If I pay the full price for a game, then why am I not allowed to do with it what I want," she added."


See, for example:

theresnothinglft: 4.  Steam will take over if major console providers shift to this activation marketing style.

 
2013-02-06 04:33:47 PM  
Why not include a mandatory peripheral that requires the user to clamp it around their scrotum in order to allow the console to operate, which will occasionally squeeze down hard on said user's scrotum just to let them know who's boss?

(Don't even ask what the female version is like. It involves 2000 volts.)
 
2013-02-06 04:35:27 PM  

ha-ha-guy: The way Valve was talking, there were going to go in and make their own flavor of Linux that was easy and attractive to make games for. They would then populate the title list with their own IP.


Aren't these guys famous for making vaporware?
 
2013-02-06 04:35:42 PM  
xria:

I don't expect it to happen, but no it wouldn't - the games would be tied to your account, not a particular piece of hardware.

Yep, so if they decide arbitrarily to ban your account (something I am delighted to say has never happened to me but has to countless others) they would be confiscating perhaps thousands of dollars worth of games in an irrevocable fashion. Sign me up.
 
2013-02-06 04:35:59 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.


that 3rd console curse
 
2013-02-06 04:36:01 PM  

ha-ha-guy: /plus Valve can release its operating system for general download and instantly get market share since millions of people will download it and set up a dual boot on their PC
//Valve can release a beta, stick some of their games on it for free (or on trial) and suddenly have X% of the market share without ever shipping a piece of hardware.
/especially if they drop strong hits about launch day Half Life, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead, and all the other IPs they control


You do realize people can already use Steam and play those games without dual-booting, right? Like, there is an application that you can run to play those games right now? Why would anyone want to dual boot their machine so it can do only one thing? At that point, your PC is nothing but a console, but even more limited than the 360 and PS3 is right now (being able to surf the web, do youtube, videos, music, etc.)
 
2013-02-06 04:36:11 PM  

Farking Canuck: There are at least two low-cost android based consoles coming out. Not sure if they will play with the big boys in terms of game quality but they've may steal some of their business


I read a Q&A on Engadget with some devs who are working with the Ouya dev kit and they say it can do late-PS2 graphics at best.

For me, I'll pass on that.  If I want to play a mobile-type game, I'll fire up an iPad.  For my big-ass HDTV, I want amazing visuals to go along with the gameplay (where appropriate).
 
2013-02-06 04:36:18 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.


You're not paying the developers by buying a console game new. You're paying the distributor.
 
2013-02-06 04:36:44 PM  
Glad out of gaming then.
 
2013-02-06 04:38:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: Never happen.  Valve would (and likely is going to) just drop a gaming console based on *nix with commodity hardware and dominate the market.

Since when do people make games for Linux?

Linux pretty much is a game.


It does often remind me of Myst, that's for sure.
 
2013-02-06 04:38:33 PM  

moothemagiccow: whistleridge: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Yeah,,,not going to happen. Unlike a website paywall, which requires only a small investment and still doesn't pay off very well, this is a HUGE investment. And all the other guy has to do to kill you is say 'hey...no paywall'. End of game, right there.

No way this happens.

Yeah that totally worked for unlimited data on cell phones


That's a poor comparison, and you know it. A better one would be how the iPhone was jailbroken and unlocked like crazy, and sales REALLY took off once it was opened to other carriers. And how sales would have been muuuuuch lower if the carriers hadn't subsidized the cost via contracts.

If the console makers want to try to move to that model, I suppose I could see that working: $100 for a PS4, plus a 3 year contract at $10/month plus having to buy the games through their online (locked) marketplaces. But it would take  years to get that infrastructure in place, and we would surely have heard about it by now.

And again: this isn't even a rumor. It's a rumor of a rumor. I still think nothing major comes of it.
 
2013-02-06 04:38:36 PM  

Theaetetus: This thread: "Yeah, if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo refuse to let you play used games, then everybody would switch to Valve! Woohoo, hooray for Steam!"
Reality: Valve sued in Germany over the Right to Resell Games "Because Valve forbids its users to sell or transfer their accounts to another person, the exchange of games that can only be played online is impossible, she said. This means that a Steam user only partially owns games, Elbrecht said. "If I pay the full price for a game, then why am I not allowed to do with it what I want," she added."


You can transfer games.  You can't transfer an account.  The idiot suing Valve should learn how to use the transfer game function built into Steam instead.

/wait why are you even off my ignore list?
//I think you were being so dumb in some other thread I just had to remove you and see
 
2013-02-06 04:38:46 PM  

GAT_00: Crusader Kings 2


I literally cannot even get started on that farker. Makes my head all melty.
 
2013-02-06 04:39:00 PM  
Wouldn't that violate EU Law?
 
2013-02-06 04:41:35 PM  

moothemagiccow: ha-ha-guy: The way Valve was talking, there were going to go in and make their own flavor of Linux that was easy and attractive to make games for. They would then populate the title list with their own IP.

Aren't these guys famous for making vaporware?


Do you really not know who Valve is? I don't think this is the thread you are looking for. Go back to your Angry Birds.
 
2013-02-06 04:42:41 PM  

RevMercutio: BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

You're not paying the developers by buying a console game new. You're paying the distributor.


A console game?  Eww. :P  Thanks Mr Technically correct I know the charges on my credit card are going to Valve not Bethesda but I do know inevitably some of it will make it back to Bethesda, unlike when you buy a used game from Gamestop.
 
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