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2013-02-06 03:35:40 PM
This is just moving the PC model to the console.  I doubt it will do much.

I still won't buy an XBox or the next Sony offering.

//Member of the most glorious PS2/SNES/PC gaming race.
 
2013-02-06 03:37:54 PM
Meh, they said the same thing about the PS4 a few weeks back.

It's just paranoia at this point.
 
2013-02-06 03:38:07 PM
I hope they don't do that but would be entirely unsurprised. They see that gamestop money as theirs and that might be all the motivation required.
 
2013-02-06 03:38:15 PM
Customers, bend over, and prepare to get serviced.
 
2013-02-06 03:39:18 PM

GreenAdder: BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

Yeah. And buy nothing but brand-new cars from now on. Think of all those people in the manufacturing sector who miss out every year because those cheap jerks bought used cars. Let's not forget all the architects put out of work by people buying pre-owned houses. And I don't even want to get into how much I hate it when people lend each other books.

You know what really honked me off? I wound up at this place called a "pawn shop," and it was full of used stuff. Clothes, electronics, guitars, movies...  I kept thinking to myself, "you cheap jerks! Gibson isn't making any money from the sale of that guitar!"


Got battletoads for the Wii in yet?

/if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it.  If that didn't exist you would damn well find you could buy games at prices you want like the the Master Gaming Race can via steam.  Do I buy a lot of games at the $60 mark?  Nope.  Do I buy a lot of first-hand games?  Yep.
 
2013-02-06 03:41:18 PM
I believe this violates the 'Fair Use' clause... The MPAA tried legal action when used music stores started popping up and got denied...
 
2013-02-06 03:41:37 PM
Ive been a console player for a while because Im honestly not very tech savvy and I dont have the disposable income to upgrade my pc often enough. If Xbox did try this, I would never purchase it.
 
2013-02-06 03:42:56 PM

Gonz: FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Okay, then platform gaming consoles will fail.

Either way.

Nah. I mean, what's going to replace them? Computers? People are getting away from desktops and laptops, and moving to tablets. And while stuff like Angry Birds is entertaining, there will still be demand for large, immersive games.

On the bright side, without the possibility of a used-game market, the initial cost of new games should drop, since software companies don't have to account for lost revenue from purchases on the second-hand market.

Or, to put it another way: you'll get over it.


I suspect YGOI is probably right, but on the other hand, tablets are only one killer app away from blowing the hell out of the console market. One compelling, deep, highly-replayable multiplayer game is all it would take to make ipads the must-have gaming platform. They're already ubiquitous. You just need a really addictive game to play on them.
 
2013-02-06 03:43:28 PM

BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.


I downloaded games like a madman for about 10 years. Hundreds of games, dozens of "next big thing" games. about 7 percent were worth half of what they cost, and about 5% overall were worth their actual sticker price. With a "no return of opened software" policy, video game makers can eat a dick until they start putting out a decently priced quality product.

So there's that....
 
2013-02-06 03:44:18 PM

BumpInTheNight: /if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it


Never felt vampiric to me, I get good titles at low prices.
 
2013-02-06 03:44:24 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

which means there's going to be a massive resurgence in computer gaming as consoles die a slow, strangled death.


I read a while back that Gamestop is seriously considering getting into the retro game business, which pisses me off royally. I'm selling most NES carts for effectively $2-$3 at best after shipping and before fees, and as soon as GS gets in, expect ebay to become a sudden storm of activity - both for civilians and for GS's future stock buyers outbidding the rest of us on just about everything.

/prediction
//I could be wrong of course
 
2013-02-06 03:44:24 PM

BumpInTheNight: if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it


Yes. That's the only way I could ever get used games. Certainly not from eBay. Or Amazon. Or from my friend who just sold me a few old GBA games. Or from the numerous places I get games for the many old systems I have, from NES to Dreamcast and beoynd. And I certainly never go to my friendly neighborhood locally-owned shops like "Mind Games" to get myself some old 16-bit action.

My old games certainly must all come from GameStop, a place I haven't bought from since 2010.

Also, apparently I haven't ever spent money at Steam, Gog, IndieGala, IndieRoyale, HumbleBundle, etc. Nope. Never heard of them.
 
2013-02-06 03:45:20 PM

SurfaceTension: Why isn't there a game system that institutes a pay-for-play system where you pay a small fee to get the game, but each time you start the game, the system has to be connected to the internet and you pay a $0.10 fee or something like that? Or would that model even work technologically?


It's called an arcade.
 
2013-02-06 03:46:45 PM
This will end well.
 
2013-02-06 03:47:18 PM
Still plenty of room here in the PC Gaming master race.
 
2013-02-06 03:47:27 PM

whistleridge: What are you talking about? Surely a huge computer corporation like MS would never make something that cost hundreds of dollars and then died after mere weeks due to shoddy components. Why, that would be unscrupulous!


Xbox spend $3bn replacing RROD'd consoles under extended warranties. they were under NO OBLIGATION to extend those warranties.

if you want an example of a corporation being evil you should not use a situation in which the company went above and beyond their obligations to replace out of warranty hardware as a warranty replacement.
 
2013-02-06 03:48:42 PM

Quality Unassured: If they're going to do that, may as well wait for the Steam box.


Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease!
 
2013-02-06 03:48:50 PM
...And fark this "always connected" bullshiat. My stepson's XBox kills the entire wireless connection for the house every time he connects, and I can't find a setting for bandwidth throttling in the router. If this piece of shiat gaming console is going to eat up everyone else's connection, then he can be off of it when he doesn't need the connection.
 
2013-02-06 03:49:43 PM

BumpInTheNight: if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it. If that didn't exist you would damn well find you could buy games at prices you want like the the Master Gaming Race can via steam. Do I buy a lot of games at the $60 mark? Nope. Do I buy a lot of first-hand games? Yep.


What about those of us who don't want to pay the "GOTTA HAVE IT NOWNOWNOW" premium, so we wait 3-6 months for the price to drop?

// just bought AC3 and Madden 13 for a combined $45
// (obviously) not at Gamestop
 
2013-02-06 03:50:43 PM
Looks like I won't be buying any of the next gen consoles.
 
2013-02-06 03:50:46 PM
BumpInTheNight:

/if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it.  If that didn't exist you would damn well find you could buy games at prices you want like the the Master Gaming Race can via steam.  Do I buy a lot of games at the $60 mark?  Nope.  Do I buy a lot of first-hand games?  Yep.

Adjusted for inflation, most SNES games cost around $80 new and some went well above $100. Charticle
 
2013-02-06 03:51:19 PM

whistleridge: Translation: this is what they want, but it will never happen. And if it does, the pirates will have a field day with it.


Hey, remember DIVX? Not the Codec, the original competitor to the DVD? Yeah well they never got their product cracked.

/I realize it was because DIVX failed before any serious effort was put into cracking it.

//I guess what I'm saying is, look, this is me not getting in line to buy the new XBOX.
 
2013-02-06 03:53:31 PM

Sgt Otter: There's a couple of game franchises that I've gotten into because I picked up an earlier game in the series used, then bought the sequels brand new as soon as they came out.

"Hey, have you played that? It's awesome!"
"I saw the ads, I thought it looked dumb."
"Dude, try it."
"Eh, not for $60. Hmm, they have a used copy..."
"Trust me."
"Oh wow, this is farking amazing! Part 2 comes out next month? I'm pre-ordering that shiat!"


I've done this exact thing at least 3 or 4 times.
 
2013-02-06 03:53:51 PM

ladyfortuna: I'm selling most NES carts for effectively $2-$3 at best after shipping and before fees, and as soon as GS gets in, expect ebay to become a sudden storm of activity - both for civilians and for GS's future stock buyers outbidding the rest of us on just about everything.

/prediction
//I could be wrong of course


I collect NES games. You got an ebay store you could link to? Or would you like to do some private selling?

/I need those damn cartridges.
 
2013-02-06 03:56:09 PM

Dr Dreidel: BumpInTheNight: if you support used games you are really supporting a vampiric business model called Gamestop, that's it. If that didn't exist you would damn well find you could buy games at prices you want like the the Master Gaming Race can via steam. Do I buy a lot of games at the $60 mark? Nope. Do I buy a lot of first-hand games? Yep.

What about those of us who don't want to pay the "GOTTA HAVE IT NOWNOWNOW" premium, so we wait 3-6 months for the price to drop?

// just bought AC3 and Madden 13 for a combined $45
// (obviously) not at Gamestop


Well yah that's pretty much what I'm doing, there's a lot of games that initially release for $60 but I'm not enticed enough to pay that much so I just wait a month or two, voila the price on steam goes down due to either a sale or the game's initial price point didn't accurately reflect the demand for it.  Some publishers start games are a price lower then $60 right off the bat, its great.  Either way I buy games for the prices I want and know that the profits from the sale go back to a platform that lets me do all of this from the comfort of my home and to the developers who provided the game.
 
2013-02-06 03:56:52 PM

Mikey1969: ...And fark this "always connected" bullshiat.


Yeah that gets to me more than the used games thing. My connection is spotty. It's bad enough when it interrupts netflix, but the idea that I can't play alone offline piques my nerd rage.
 
2013-02-06 03:57:22 PM
As a long time gamer who lives in BFE and has crappy internet with a 5GB cap, all I can say is....

fark
YOU
MICROSOFT

/Time to dust off the library
 
2013-02-06 03:57:31 PM
Isn't this what pc practically does already?  Like I care.  I'm probably going to buy the Sony thing anyways.
 
2013-02-06 03:58:32 PM
whistleridge: What are you talking about? Surely a huge computer corporation like MS would never make something that cost hundreds of dollars and then died after mere weeks due to shoddy components. Why, that would be unscrupulous!

I still say that it was the push for RoHS compliance that killed that.

// hard to account for dumb stuff happening in the supply chain, for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
 
2013-02-06 03:58:39 PM

Burr: As a long time gamer who lives in BFE and has crappy internet with a 5GB cap, all I can say is....


5GB cap?! Holy shiat that's crazy.
 
2013-02-06 03:58:40 PM
Now the console wars are just to see who can annoy their customers the most.
 
2013-02-06 03:58:58 PM
If I had to guess I'd say this rumor was floated to gauge reaction and plant the idea for the future, not because it's likely to actually happen, but it's sort of a moot point. It's inevitable that at some point some asshole company will try it and succeed.

I'm guessing Ubisoft since that name is pretty much as synonymous with "asshole" as it can get when it comes to insanely stupid DRM schemes.

Gamers are about as masochistic of consumers as you can get. They'll biatch and moan and scream about every damn little thing to everybody who will listen, but they'll never actually stop buying their digital crank no matter what happens.
 
2013-02-06 03:59:42 PM

magneticmushroom: ladyfortuna: I'm selling most NES carts for effectively $2-$3 at best after shipping and before fees, and as soon as GS gets in, expect ebay to become a sudden storm of activity - both for civilians and for GS's future stock buyers outbidding the rest of us on just about everything.

/prediction
//I could be wrong of course

I collect NES games. You got an ebay store you could link to? Or would you like to do some private selling?

/I need those damn cartridges.


Clicky-Profile :P

Honestly I expect I'll get out of the business in another year or so for various reasons (*cough FEEBAY, Paymenowpal), but it's allowed me to avoid having to take out a private loan while I'm back in school - I commute to school so gas & book money is super-important.
 
2013-02-06 04:00:29 PM

cgraves67: Gonz: FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Okay, then platform gaming consoles will fail.

Either way.

Nah. I mean, what's going to replace them? Computers? People are getting away from desktops and laptops, and moving to tablets. And while stuff like Angry Birds is entertaining, there will still be demand for large, immersive games.

On the bright side, without the possibility of a used-game market, the initial cost of new games should drop, since software companies don't have to account for lost revenue from purchases on the second-hand market.

Or, to put it another way: you'll get over it.

I suspect YGOI is probably right, but on the other hand, tablets are only one killer app away from blowing the hell out of the console market. One compelling, deep, highly-replayable multiplayer game is all it would take to make ipads the must-have gaming platform. They're already ubiquitous. You just need a really addictive game to play on them.


Computers won't die because I've yet to find a tablet or console that could effectively play deep strategy games like my current obsession, Crusader Kings 2.  Those kinds of games simply don't play on anything except desktops and laptops, and there is plenty of market for them.
 
2013-02-06 04:00:33 PM

doczoidberg: if used games are no longer usable, I am done with any new gaming for good.

I'll keep playing the classic systems. There's enough from all the previous generations to keep me busy for



Gamestop is screwed no matter what. They are the Borders of video games. There's no need for them with streaming/cloud computing and all digital media. They know they are dying too, and just bleeding the last bit of profit they can before they become obsolete.Side note - take a look at how much of a the profit of Gamestop comes from 2nd hand sales. The answer is almost all of it.
 
2013-02-06 04:00:41 PM

ladyfortuna: magneticmushroom: ladyfortuna: I'm selling most NES carts for effectively $2-$3 at best after shipping and before fees, and as soon as GS gets in, expect ebay to become a sudden storm of activity - both for civilians and for GS's future stock buyers outbidding the rest of us on just about everything.

/prediction
//I could be wrong of course

I collect NES games. You got an ebay store you could link to? Or would you like to do some private selling?

/I need those damn cartridges.

Clicky-Profile :P

Honestly I expect I'll get out of the business in another year or so for various reasons (*cough FEEBAY, Paymenowpal), but it's allowed me to avoid having to take out a private loan while I'm back in school - I commute to school so gas & book money is super-important.


Thanks! I'll take a look.
 
2013-02-06 04:01:02 PM
Cool! Something else I won't have to buy.

/No used games?
//Fark you XBOX!
 
2013-02-06 04:01:18 PM

Quality Unassured: HulkHands: Beerguy: [images.wikia.com image 300x300]
[www.userlogos.org image 300x225]

Are you saying they are good alternatives, or pointing out that they don't accept used games, either?

You won't care about reselling your games when you pay far less up front and never have to keep track of a disc.


Because AAA console titles on steam sure as hell don't sell for 60$ (the same price as the console release) now do they?

Game companies will sell these at full price (likely 80$ in the next generation), and games will only recede in price years after release.
 
2013-02-06 04:02:36 PM
Step 1: Create rumor that you'll kill used game sales.

Step 2a: Wait for Gamestop to panic.

Step 2b: Make a deal with Gamestop for a cut of all used game sales.

Step 3: Profit.
 
2013-02-06 04:02:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: Burr: As a long time gamer who lives in BFE and has crappy internet with a 5GB cap, all I can say is....

5GB cap?! Holy shiat that's crazy.



That's what I was thinking.

I'll bet every ISP secretly wishes they could put a 5GB cap on all of us.

...And, one day, they probably will.
 
2013-02-06 04:02:48 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mikey1969: ...And fark this "always connected" bullshiat.

Yeah that gets to me more than the used games thing. My connection is spotty. It's bad enough when it interrupts netflix, but the idea that I can't play alone offline piques my nerd rage.


Pretty much why I didn't buy Diablo 3.  It sucks enough that if I do find a hard copy of a new PC game, it requires Steam, which just activation wouldn't be so bad if:

1.  It defaulted to installing from the disk THAT IS IN THE TRAY and not try to download the installation without required some sort of work-around
2.  It would let you play the damn game OUT OF THE BOX instead of forcing you to download a damn 1GB patch first (why can't I play the single player portion of the game while the patch downloads?) which at my connection means it takes all night and 20% of my monthly cap is used up

Yeah, I know you can turn off automatic updates, but it always forces you to download a damn patch after installation and before you can play it!
 
2013-02-06 04:03:24 PM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Okay, then platform gaming consoles will fail.

Either way.


Pretty much... I'm already playing less and less console stuff, if they push through something like that I'd just give it up altogether.
 
2013-02-06 04:04:35 PM

WalkingCarpet: Hate to quote myself but I guess this is the company that released a product where 64% of the available disk space is taken up by the OS so maybe they are this stupid.


This. Under Balmer's leadership any amount of stupid is eminently possible.
 
2013-02-06 04:05:47 PM
Heard this same rumor for the other consoles, and it's becoming more of a thing for pc games.

I'm hopeful it's all just rumor though.  I don't buy many recent games used, but I have been known to pick up a lot of out of print ones like that.  About half my ps2 collection is used games from a local used/retro game store.
 
2013-02-06 04:06:32 PM

BumpInTheNight: If that didn't exist you would damn well find you could buy games at prices you want like the the Master Gaming Race can via steam.


Dude, even Steam sells new games for the $49.99 or $59.99 price tag. Don't get me wrong, I loves me my PC gaming (you, in fact helped point out a lot of kickass mods for several Bethesda games to me), but let's not act like PC gaming is superior in terms of cost, generally speaking... Looking at Steam now, the "season pass" for Black Ops 2 is still $50, Max Payne 3 is selling for $40 (even more expensive that a brand new 360 copy found on Amazon.com), and DMC is asking for $50 as well.

The prices for games have not really changed all that much over the years... Nintendo, Genesis and Super Nintendo games still retailed for $50 or higher, and compared to many current games, they don't have the "blockbuster" budget that modern ones do. If anything else, the price to game has actually gone down drastically in the last 20 years.While people blame piracy, 3rd party re-sellers and such for the high cost of games, if anything else, I'm shocked they aren't charging more. My copy of FF3 for the SNES cost me $60, and put maybe 200 hours into it. Skyrim? Same price, yet closing in on 500, and can easily put in a few hundred more with mods, not even relying on DLC for the extra hours.

I mean, compare that to a movie, which costs $10 at least for a mere couple hours, and we're getting a steal. This whole "need to be online" rumor thing that people are biatching about, if it happens, will likely be akin to Steam, where you can go into "offline" mode, but only for certain amounts of time before you have to "check in", and even that is dependent on whether or not the publishers of the game require a live connection in order to play DLC or even the base game. Diablo 3 was the biggest most recent example I can think of, but methinks permanent offline play is going away, along with second-hang game use. Hell, even Bioware requires you to have a unique key to use a lot of the in-game features (remember the Cerberus Network thing for ME2?), and if you don't have it, you don't pay the full retail cost, but a pittance of $10 or so.

/end rant
 
2013-02-06 04:06:40 PM

doczoidberg: scottydoesntknow: Burr: As a long time gamer who lives in BFE and has crappy internet with a 5GB cap, all I can say is....

5GB cap?! Holy shiat that's crazy.


That's what I was thinking.

I'll bet every ISP secretly wishes they could put a 5GB cap on all of us.

...And, one day, they probably will.


The closest house with cable is about 5 miles away.  I have been using a Verizon moblie broadband connection for my internet for the past few years because satellite sucks as bad as dial-up it seems.

Its not too bad, I just can't game like I used to.  It does get me out of the house at least.
 
2013-02-06 04:06:40 PM
In other "news", believing this story causing ball cancer. The kind that means they have to amputate.
 
2013-02-06 04:06:50 PM
In an age where AAA game producers like Capcom are doing Day One DLC, on-disc characters, levels and endings that you have to pay to unlock or re-releasing an updated version of a game 6 months later, I have no doubt that this "rumor" will turn out to be true.

Someday we'll be telling our grandchildren of a time when video game companies sold you a game with all the content included. Then our grandkids will laugh in our faces and ask for $10 so they can unlock the second level of Resident Evil XLII.
 
2013-02-06 04:07:37 PM

scottydoesntknow: Adjusted for inflation, most SNES games cost around $80 new and some went well above $100. Charticle


And you beat me to it while I was typing my rant. Good to know that sort if thing is quasi-common knowledge.
 
2013-02-06 04:07:47 PM

scottydoesntknow: So who's gonna be the first to cast the stone in the inevitable PC vs. Console flamewar that these threads always devolve into?


ESDF Forever, FKN N00BS!
 
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