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(Kotaku)   The next Xbox will require an internet connection to use and will not play second-hand games as new games will ship with a one-time activation code   (kotaku.com) divider line 392
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2013-02-06 01:44:02 PM
I love the smell of FUD in the morning.
 
2013-02-06 01:44:17 PM
Welcome to Sonytown, Xbox.
 
2013-02-06 01:45:14 PM
The new X-Box will fail.
 
2013-02-06 01:45:44 PM
If they're going to do that, may as well wait for the Steam box.
 
2013-02-06 01:47:53 PM
Translation: this is what they want, but it will never happen. And if it does, the pirates will have a field day with it.
 
2013-02-06 01:48:26 PM
I hope that ain't true.
 
2013-02-06 01:50:25 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.


Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.
 
2013-02-06 01:52:23 PM
I seriously doubt this is true, it would be the death knell for the Xbox brand and Microsoft must know it.

Sony on the other hand would cream their pants.
 
2013-02-06 01:52:24 PM
Well good thing I wasn't planning on getting an Xbox anyways
 
2013-02-06 01:53:13 PM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.


Okay, then platform gaming consoles will fail.

Either way.
 
2013-02-06 01:54:22 PM
We have not been able to confirm the veracity of this new report, which claims that Durango discs will ship with one-time-use activation codes that render them irrelevant to anyone but the person who first uses them.

Confirm it, then maybe I'll care.
 
2013-02-06 01:54:34 PM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.


which means there's going to be a massive resurgence in computer gaming as consoles die a slow, strangled death.
 
2013-02-06 01:55:24 PM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.


Yeah,,,not going to happen. Unlike a website paywall, which requires only a small investment and still doesn't pay off very well, this is a HUGE investment. And all the other guy has to do to kill you is say 'hey...no paywall'. End of game, right there.

No way this happens.
 
2013-02-06 01:55:45 PM

WalkingCarpet: I seriously doubt this is true, it would be the death knell for the Xbox brand and Microsoft must know it.


Hate to quote myself but I guess this is the company that released a product where 64% of the available disk space is taken up by the OS so maybe they are this stupid.
 
2013-02-06 01:57:08 PM

whistleridge: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Yeah,,,not going to happen. Unlike a website paywall, which requires only a small investment and still doesn't pay off very well, this is a HUGE investment. And all the other guy has to do to kill you is say 'hey...no paywall'. End of game, right there.

No way this happens.


unless of course ALL the major companies get together and (illegally) collude to lock down the console gamer market and make 'paywalls' an industry wide standard.

but right now this is just a rumor.  so, take it with a grain of salt.
 
2013-02-06 01:57:11 PM
So who's gonna be the first to cast the stone in the inevitable PC vs. Console flamewar that these threads always devolve into?
 
2013-02-06 01:59:43 PM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Okay, then platform gaming consoles will fail.

Either way.


Nah. I mean, what's going to replace them? Computers? People are getting away from desktops and laptops, and moving to tablets. And while stuff like Angry Birds is entertaining, there will still be demand for large, immersive games.

On the bright side, without the possibility of a used-game market, the initial cost of new games should drop, since software companies don't have to account for lost revenue from purchases on the second-hand market.

Or, to put it another way: you'll get over it.
 
2013-02-06 02:00:39 PM

Weaver95: whistleridge: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Yeah,,,not going to happen. Unlike a website paywall, which requires only a small investment and still doesn't pay off very well, this is a HUGE investment. And all the other guy has to do to kill you is say 'hey...no paywall'. End of game, right there.

No way this happens.

unless of course ALL the major companies get together and (illegally) collude to lock down the console gamer market and make 'paywalls' an industry wide standard.

but right now this is just a rumor.  so, take it with a grain of salt.


And if they did that, then they would lose out to their own product. Remember how many years it took PS3 sales to get moving? Is the next system  reallygoing to provide so much added value that people would just HAVE to upgrade, depite those restrictions? I doubt it.

I think if they do this, new platform sales are flat to nonexistent, existing platform sales stay robust, developers respond accordingly, and the platform companies take a hit until they agree to undo this stupid idea.

I just don't see any way this can succeed, no matter how much the manufacturers might want it to.
 
2013-02-06 02:01:10 PM
This was the same rumour with the PS4, it won't happen.  I would love to have cd-keys though that could lock the game down so I can install and not have to have the cd in the drive to play.
 
2013-02-06 02:02:12 PM
Gamestop is SCREWED.

And if used games are no longer usable, I am done with any new gaming for good.

I'll keep playing the classic systems. There's enough from all the previous generations to keep me busy for good.
 
2013-02-06 02:06:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: So who's gonna be the first to cast the stone in the inevitable PC vs. Console flamewar that these threads always devolve into?


Can't happen here. Well, I guess it could, but I'd like to see how a PC gamer would argue against a company essentially adopting Steam's business model, except for consoles.

It would be too easy to implement- if you take your XBox 720 disc to a buddy's house, you'd need to sign in on his machine to make it work... something along those lines. Maybe a 2-form authentication, where you'd need, say, a controller that's somehow "assigned" to your home machine, along with the name and password...
 
2013-02-06 02:07:04 PM

whistleridge: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.

Yeah,,,not going to happen. Unlike a website paywall, which requires only a small investment and still doesn't pay off very well, this is a HUGE investment. And all the other guy has to do to kill you is say 'hey...no paywall'. End of game, right there.

No way this happens.


That won't happen because they also all benefit if they join up.

I don't know about Nintendo, but I strongly suspect Sony will join the ban on reselling games.
 
2013-02-06 02:09:25 PM
I mean i'm not saying companies like Sony aren't stupid enough to want to try something like this...i'm just saying this is still very much in the 'rumor' phase so lets not get all worked up about it till we hear something more solid and reliable.
 
2013-02-06 02:11:34 PM
Note to self:  do not purchase the next generation of Xbox.

/like I use it all that much these days, anyway...
 
2013-02-06 02:15:16 PM

Weaver95: I mean i'm not saying companies like Sony aren't stupid enough to want to try something like this...i'm just saying this is still very much in the 'rumor' phase so lets not get all worked up about it till we hear something more solid and reliable.


Since Sony is unveiling the PS4 in a couple of weeks we'll know a lot more then.

This is so stupid I can't believe Sony would do it.  In fact if Microsoft does do it, Sony would be stupid to do so as well as not doing so would give them an almost insurmountable (imho) advantage next-gen that would be too good to pass up.

Unless there's collusion among developers to make it happen.
 
2013-02-06 02:19:11 PM
You're all arguing aver a Kotaku article? Good lord.
 
2013-02-06 02:20:04 PM
images.wikia.com
www.userlogos.org
 
2013-02-06 02:20:58 PM

Kazan: I love the smell of FUD in the morning.


Yep.
 
2013-02-06 02:23:26 PM
I agree that this is not going to happen, but let me give my opinion on it happening anyway.

This would mean that if your xbox broke, you'd have to buy all of your games over again if you wanted to play them on the new machine.
 
2013-02-06 02:25:39 PM
It requires an Internet collection, but they're still going to rely on optical disks and manually entered activation codes for distribution purposes?  If it wasn't Microsoft, I'd call bullshiat.

/Your iPhone can't run "secondhand apps" either.  Wonder if game prices will go down or not.
 
2013-02-06 02:26:52 PM

jaylectricity: I agree that this is not going to happen, but let me give my opinion on it happening anyway.

This would mean that if your xbox broke, you'd have to buy all of your games over again if you wanted to play them on the new machine.


What are you talking about? Surely a huge computer corporation like MS would never make something that cost hundreds of dollars and then died after mere weeks due to shoddy components. Why, that would be unscrupulous!

www.instructables.com
 
2013-02-06 02:26:58 PM

jaylectricity: I agree that this is not going to happen, but let me give my opinion on it happening anyway.

This would mean that if your xbox broke, you'd have to buy all of your games over again if you wanted to play them on the new machine.


Again, this is not going to happen but if it did the key's should be tied to your gamertag not your box for it to be workable.  Like any of the current gen arcade games.
 
2013-02-06 02:34:22 PM
There's a couple of game franchises that I've gotten into because I picked up an earlier game in the series used, then bought the sequels brand new as soon as they came out.

"Hey, have you played that? It's awesome!"
"I saw the ads, I thought it looked dumb."
"Dude, try it."
"Eh, not for $60. Hmm, they have a used copy..."
"Trust me."
"Oh wow, this is farking amazing! Part 2 comes out next month? I'm pre-ordering that shiat!"
 
2013-02-06 02:37:57 PM

Beerguy: [images.wikia.com image 300x300]
[www.userlogos.org image 300x225]


Are you saying they are good alternatives, or pointing out that they don't accept used games, either?
 
2013-02-06 02:44:27 PM

HulkHands: Beerguy: [images.wikia.com image 300x300] [www.userlogos.org image 300x225] Are you saying they are good alternatives, or pointing out that they don't accept used games, either?


I am saying that once you own a game on either Steam or G.O.G., you own the game for life and can download it as many times as you like.

Steam is also producing the SteamBox console which will give you access to your Steam account and thus all your games so you can play them on your TV.

"Why Valve's Steam Box is a console killer"

 
2013-02-06 02:46:38 PM

Beerguy: HulkHands: Beerguy: [images.wikia.com image 300x300] [www.userlogos.org image 300x225] Are you saying they are good alternatives, or pointing out that they don't accept used games, either?

I am saying that once you own a game on either Steam or G.O.G., you own the game for life and can download it as many times as you like.Steam is also producing the SteamBox console which will give you access to your Steam account and thus all your games so you can play them on your TV."Why Valve's Steam Box is a console killer"


And as soon as steam starts getting in the way of Sony or Microsoft, they'll fall down an elevator shaft and land on some bullets.  I don't trust the big boys in the industry.  they play ROUGH!
 
2013-02-06 02:49:19 PM
Why isn't there a game system that institutes a pay-for-play system where you pay a small fee to get the game, but each time you start the game, the system has to be connected to the internet and you pay a $0.10 fee or something like that? Or would that model even work technologically?
 
2013-02-06 02:49:49 PM

WalkingCarpet: I seriously doubt this is true, it would be the death knell for the Xbox brand and Microsoft must know it.


Yeah, but Microsoft seems to be run by inept monkeys these days. Look at Office 360 and Windows 8. In the latter case, not only are they forcing a UI on people, but despite sales slumps the price recently went UP.
 
2013-02-06 02:54:15 PM

HulkHands: Beerguy: [images.wikia.com image 300x300]
[www.userlogos.org image 300x225]

Are you saying they are good alternatives, or pointing out that they don't accept used games, either?


You won't care about reselling your games when you pay far less up front and never have to keep track of a disc.
 
2013-02-06 02:56:55 PM

Gig103: WalkingCarpet: I seriously doubt this is true, it would be the death knell for the Xbox brand and Microsoft must know it.

Yeah, but Microsoft seems to be run by inept monkeys these days. Look at Office 360 and Windows 8. In the latter case, not only are they forcing a UI on people, but despite sales slumps the price recently went UP.


I think either both companies do it or none of them do it as the one who doesn't do it will have a huge advantage.

I guess we'll find out more when Sony unveils the PS4 on the 20th (or not, I don't think something like this would be featured in an announcement event).
 
2013-02-06 03:05:45 PM
The next Xbox will not be purchased by GreenAdder.
 
2013-02-06 03:13:50 PM

SurfaceTension: Why isn't there a game system that institutes a pay-for-play system where you pay a small fee to get the game, but each time you start the game, the system has to be connected to the internet and you pay a $0.10 fee or something like that? Or would that model even work technologically?


I do I need to be connected to the Internet to play a single player game?

What if my Internet is out and I need something to do?

Why does the model have to change when it has worked for decades? Innovation and good game should be the reason you buy a new game.

For the people who think this could lower prices, do you really think big companies will do that? How big of a change is it between Madden '12 and Madden '13 and yet one is more than twice the price
 
2013-02-06 03:19:23 PM

SurfaceTension: Why isn't there a game system that institutes a pay-for-play system where you pay a small fee to get the game, but each time you start the game, the system has to be connected to the internet and you pay a $0.10 fee or something like that? Or would that model even work technologically?


A lot of companies wouldn't swing for that. If I could get a single player AAA title for, let's say $5, what's to stop me from doing a 24-hour gaming marathon, beat the whole game, and then put it away. The company makes $5.10 off a game they would've sold for $60. World of Warcraft does a subscription service, but they also charge full-retail upfront (unless you get a sale of course), so they get the maximum profit up front, then the subscription is just icing (well except for server maintenance costs). Microtransactions within a game seem to be where it's heading, but again you're usually paying full retail upfront, then doing microtransactions to get ahead in the game without doing the actual work.

Multiplayer would be your best bet, but again that's assuming you can keep them coming back for enough days to turn a profit, and knowing how ADD most gamers are, they've moved on to the next big title in about a month or two.

If you want to see the very dark side of microtransactions, check out Final Fantasy: All The Bravest. This is a shameless cashgrab and deserves to be ridiculed for being pure trash.
 
2013-02-06 03:21:21 PM
I predict that both Sony and MS conspire to implement the no used games rule at the same time.

If there's anything that could save Nintendo, this is it.

Don't do it, too, Nintendo!!!
 
2013-02-06 03:24:35 PM
Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.
 
2013-02-06 03:26:25 PM

SurfaceTension: Why isn't there a game system that institutes a pay-for-play system where you pay a small fee to get the game, but each time you start the game, the system has to be connected to the internet and you pay a $0.10 fee or something like that? Or would that model even work technologically?


What if I do not have an internet connection, either because it is down or I choose to not have one?

Seems like a bad idea for single player games

What if the authentication server is taken offline?  (you cant play)

In many parts of the country, the internet is SLOW, slow, slow...will a crappy connection bar me from playing?

I would point to Amazon and books, both physical media and ebooks as a reference as to how this will never happen.  Go search for books on Amazon, now look at the paperback pricing vs the Kindle pricing.  Often Kindle is the same price, or even a dollar or three more.  Publishers do not see a Kindle download as essentially free money, rather, they see it as a loss - lack of physical media purchase = a lost sale.  Even though it costs them almost nothing to produce (short of some formatting), and they do not need to worry about a lost sale due to someone giving away/lending a physical book to a friend...even taking those things into account  they still see it as a loss.  I suspect game makers would have this same asinine mind set.
 
2013-02-06 03:30:27 PM

BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.


Yeah. And buy nothing but brand-new cars from now on. Think of all those people in the manufacturing sector who miss out every year because those cheap jerks bought used cars. Let's not forget all the architects put out of work by people buying pre-owned houses. And I don't even want to get into how much I hate it when people lend each other books.

You know what really honked me off? I wound up at this place called a "pawn shop," and it was full of used stuff. Clothes, electronics, guitars, movies...  I kept thinking to myself, "you cheap jerks! Gibson isn't making any money from the sale of that guitar!"
 
2013-02-06 03:34:33 PM
Because when I think of a good time, I think of activation codes.

Actually, this might be good news for the pc gaming master race. Putting us on more even ground with the plug and play systems, as it were.
 
2013-02-06 03:34:35 PM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The new X-Box will fail.

Not when Sony does the same thing.  Nintendo probably will too.


But the Sony box will also play all your mini-discs.
 
2013-02-06 03:35:20 PM

BumpInTheNight: Anything that kills the used games market is good to me.  Pay the developers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.


Anything that kills the used car market is good to me.  Pay the auto-makers you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.

Anything that kills the used textbook market is good to me.  Pay the authors you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale. 

Anything that kills the used DVD market is good to me.  Pay the studios you cheap jerks, and if you don't want to pay full price then wait for it to go on sale.
 
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