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(Lafayette Advertiser)   The city of Memphis votes to rename three city parks that honored the Confederacy and its leaders, including one named after the founder of the KKK. Sadly, even in this day and age, some people have a problem with that   (theadvertiser.com) divider line 115
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2013-02-06 02:27:56 PM
8 votes:
As a Memphian, I never understood why we had some many confederate themed parks.  I always figured, when you lose the war, you don't get to fly your flag.

Also, from what I've read, Forrest wanted to be buried "with his men", which by the way he originally was.  He was buried in Elmwood Cemetary with other confederate soldiers.  This was what he wanted.  If the Sons of Confederate Veterans really wanted to honor him, they never would have dug him up and put him where he is today.

Confederate Park was put there in 1964.  You can guess what the city was going through at that time.  Naming a park that was nothing more than a slap in the face to black Memphians.

Jefferson Davis Park was named in 1930.  This nothing more than a tip of the hat to the Jim Crow ideology.

If these parks had been named immediately after the Civil War had ended, it would be one thing --- still silly in today's world, but understandable that they were named as such IF that were the case.  But it's not the case.  These parks were named WAY after the Civil War and they were done so to make political statements.

I know lots of people who have huge problems with the renaming of the parks.  I think it is LONG overdue.  It's embarassing as hell to have the nice, technilogically advanced University of Tennessee School of Medicine right next to the backward thinking Forrest Park.

I've also heard lots of folks around here argue that he became very "black friendly" in his later years.  That doesn't change what he did in his earlier years.  It's an insult to give him a pass.  (Yes, it's also an insult to have given Robert Byrd and George Wallace a pass as well, but I digress.)

And to say that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery is a joke.  Of the thirteen state that seceded, eleven mention slavery as a reason for secession in their letters of secession.  Of those eleven , eight mention it in the first paragraph.  Of those eight, four mention it in the first sentence.

And Memphians wonder why we can't attract more industry here.

Just my rambling thoughts.
2013-02-06 02:12:20 PM
7 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: There are still US cities named after British royalty.


The Brits are still friends to America.  The south is not.
2013-02-06 02:23:59 PM
5 votes:

doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???


No you don't understand. You cannot rewrite history and the men who served did so honorably. They were Americans and you don't have to agree with their cause to honor them for doing what they saw as their duty. I just love how Northerners pretend they didn't buy and sell slaves or that every southerner was a slave owner. Ignorant tool.

I grew up in the South. I am white and lived in a black neighborhood. I saw a lot of parents tell their kids to call me names and fight me because I was a white child. I never saw a white, southern person doing that. So you keep on making up that alternate reality you think the south is today.
2013-02-06 02:10:52 PM
5 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


They can be proud all they want but they shouldn't be surprised when people correctly point that their "heritage" is deeply rooted in destructive racism.
2013-02-06 02:09:13 PM
5 votes:
That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?
2013-02-06 02:03:06 PM
5 votes:
And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...
2013-02-06 02:30:17 PM
4 votes:

CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...


So, the same thing the rest of the country has to be proud of then?  (Native Americans ring a bell?)
2013-02-06 02:22:48 PM
4 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


They have nothing to be proud of. They picked a fight with their moral, technological, and intellectual betters and got their asses handed to them.
2013-02-06 02:17:39 PM
4 votes:
Will someone please tell me what the positive legacies of Nathan Bedford Forrest were? What exactly is being honored? His profound ignorance? His slaughter of surrendered troops. His slave trading? His terrorism? What is the "legacy " that deserves anything beyond derision?
2013-02-06 02:00:05 PM
4 votes:
Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???
2013-02-06 01:53:06 PM
4 votes:
I'd be more surprised if nobody in Memphis had a problem with this.
2013-02-06 02:44:43 PM
3 votes:

scout48: Did you know the first successful heart transplant happened in the south?


Maybe they should name a park for the doctor that performed it instead of a racist loser.
2013-02-06 02:40:55 PM
3 votes:
The Confederate States of America was the stupidest idea any American ever had. Why we Southerners want to celebrate it, I have never been able to figure out. Perpetrators of a rich man's war and a poor man's fight to preserve slavery, led by a bunch of incompetent fools (read up on Alexander Stephens, the Confederate vice president, some time).

I'm OK with Confederate military cemeteries, but Jefferson Davis shouldn't have anything but an outhouse named after him. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great military commander, but the Fort Pillow massacre and helping to found the Ku Klux kind of take the shine off that.

Oh, and those parks were named in the '30s, when Southern politicians were really concerned about the uppityness of all their quasi-slave labor moving north to get real jobs.
2013-02-06 02:29:51 PM
3 votes:
I would be offended if public places were named after racists today, but not when they are historical. I see nothing good about hiding the south's ugly history. I would add plaques to the park describing who it was named for, why, and what our society has learned since then. My six year old can tell you a bit about the history of slavery and civil rights in this country and how many similar changes still lie ahead.

Besides, changing their celebrated racist heroes into PC conversation pieces would piss them off more.
2013-02-06 02:25:45 PM
3 votes:
The sanitization of history continues.
2013-02-06 02:18:57 PM
3 votes:
The north and south should split up again. Both of us would be better off.
2013-02-06 02:18:46 PM
3 votes:
You know, I say keep the names as they are but then put some sort of plaque up that explains who these people were so everyone knows the parks were named after assholes.
2013-02-06 02:14:57 PM
3 votes:

Brick-House: oh wait...

[www.publiusforum.com image 400x324]


Oh, come on, you disingenuous farkhead, finish his life in quotes:

I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened.


That's from 2005. So by all means - continue slandering a man who has offered endless apology for the sins of his youth. Just like Jesus would want.

// also, he's been dead for 2.5 years already, and there are plenty of living racists in Congress, if your ire is that up about it
// or, regale us with your best Ted Kennedy jokes; and you probably have a good zinger about Inouye, too
2013-02-06 02:13:13 PM
3 votes:

max_pooper: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

They can be proud all they want but they shouldn't be surprised when people correctly point that their "heritage" is deeply rooted in destructive racism.


Whose isn't?
2013-02-06 02:10:58 PM
3 votes:

KJUW89: States' rights!  States' rights!

/Did I do that right?
//probably not...
///Stupid South indeed.


doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???


Please spare me your condescension.  There are just as many backward-ass racists and bigots in the rest of the U.S. as there are in the Southeast.  Except for Mississippi, maybe.  They are really bad.
2013-02-06 03:38:27 PM
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

I'm of German heritage?  Would you have a problem with people being proud of THAT?


I'm of German heritage, too. I'm not proud of it specifically (my family's from basically every country in Europe that isn't the UK, France and Portugal), but I certainly wouldn't hide it. You can be proud of a heritage without incorporating the known-asshole parts of that heritage.

You're from the South? Awesome - talk about biscuits and football and NASCAR and Texas oil and Florida/LA heat and have a silly accent and wear overalls and drink you some sweetea. DON'T, however, be proud of secession, civil war and slavery. "Southern Pride" can be easily reappropriated to mean a Junetime march with rainbow flags.
You're from Germany? Awesome - even though I don't like weissbier, schnitzel is proof of god's love, I know a bit of the language, your people are polite (the few native-Germans I've ever met, anyway) and the endless jokes about sterile efficiency never fail to amuse. DON'T, however, start wistfully remembering WWII from the Kraut side. So long as you're not very "white power"-y, I think you'll be OK citing your German heritage.

// this really shouldn't need to be said
2013-02-06 03:18:00 PM
2 votes:
From South Carolina's Article of Secession.

"

No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.



The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.



The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."
These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.



We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.


For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.


This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.


On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.


The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.


Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.


We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.


Adopted December 24, 1860  "cession.


Man. They mention slavery a LOT in there. Weird. I was assured it was not about slavery at all!
2013-02-06 02:50:34 PM
2 votes:

oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk


You could, but you'd be wrong.
2013-02-06 02:37:09 PM
2 votes:

ph0rk: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

fark you, carpetbagger.

More bourbon, barbecue, and hush puppies for me us.


Over 90% of bourbon is from Kentucky which was a union state. And don't include Jack Daniels as it is not a bourbon. It could be called a bourbon but the manufacturers don't want to call it bourbon as it has a distinct flavor from bourbon.
2013-02-06 02:35:10 PM
2 votes:

cynicalbastard: And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...


To be fair it was about state's rights. Specifically, the right of a state to say it's ok to own another human being.
2013-02-06 02:32:22 PM
2 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


Southerners can be very proud of their heritage. However, it pays to pick portions of one's heritage to be proud of that are actually, you know, in any way admirable. For instance, here in Arkansas, trying to keep black people out of public colleges is part of our heritage, but we'd look pretty goddamned stupid and awful if we claimed to be proud of that part.
2013-02-06 02:29:50 PM
2 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


You celebrate treason as heritage?
2013-02-06 02:28:20 PM
2 votes:

Fano: They have a big statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest in town, which should be a clue about race relations in Memphis.


You guys are pikers--here in Richmond we have a whole street of Conferderate generals' statues. Oh--and Arthur Ashe, whose statue has its back to the others. It's quite interesting to watch people at once want to glorify Richmond's past as the capital of the Confederacy and kind of sweep it under the rug that Richmond used to be a huge slave market too.

CSS--last year my husband and I decided to play tourist at home and go to the Museum of the Confederacy, which has Jefferson Davis' house included. The guy who led the house tour was black and going on about its great history. I thought it would be like a Jewish guy leading tours of Auschwitz and saying "wow, those Nazis sure had the right idea, huh?"
2013-02-06 02:17:59 PM
2 votes:
Forrest and Kesselring are interesting cases of utterly badass generals and unrepentantly evil bastards.
2013-02-06 02:15:40 PM
2 votes:
I'm not sure where I stand on this.

I can't really blame Memphis for doing this from a PR and PC angle, since the names of the parks seem to glorify things that people nowadays don't really see as noble and name-worthy.

On the other hand, it seems that our society has a tendency to whitewash everything, and instead of dealing with our history, and making it a talking/teaching point, It's easier to rename the parks rather than explain why these parks were named, and the history behind the people.
2013-02-06 02:14:38 PM
2 votes:
Pochas -That reminds me of being a relocated 'yankee' during times when the CDB hit was 'The South's Gonna Do It Again' was big... and I used to comment, "do what???... lose another war??"

/got beat up a lot
2013-02-06 02:13:42 PM
2 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...
2013-02-06 02:10:07 PM
2 votes:
Why do people in the south love general Lee so much?  He LOST THE WAR!  He failed at the only thing he was supposed to do!

The ultimate "you had one job" joke.
2013-02-06 02:04:44 PM
2 votes:
This will surely solve the palpable racial tension that permeates the city.  And I know lots of people, including, sadly, some relatives, who will have a big problem with this

I went to med school there, so here is one of my many cool story bro type stories:

The main med school building abuts Nathan Bedford Forrest park where there is a giant statue of the general atop his trusty steed, a virtual ad for Memphis' backward racial attitudes. There are also several benches scattered about, on one of which two tourists were shot point blank in the head the week before I started classes.  Thug life.
2013-02-07 01:27:04 AM
1 votes:
I wonder, could a state like Georgia change its name today because it doesn't want the association with British royalty? Could they change it to, oh I don't know, "Lee" to honor Robert E. Lee?  I think the rest of the US would be powerless to stop them. How can you demand they keep their old British royalty name?
2013-02-07 01:01:35 AM
1 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: All2morrowsparTs: Noam Chimpsky: There are still US cities States named after British royalty.

Maryland, Virginia, the Carolinas, Delaware, and Georgia.

Still?  Are you proposing they change?


No, but I think it's interesting that the Americans back then didn't change them after the war. Oh, and then another war in 1812. But I guess your history's your history and there ain't no use running from it. There might be a lesson in that.
2013-02-06 05:09:53 PM
1 votes:

dryknife: Steve Cropper


img2.timeinc.net

"If the shiat fits, wear it!"
2013-02-06 04:58:38 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: danfrank: Abraham Lincoln owned slaves? Please provide a citation for that, because I think you're full of shiat.

Git some!!!  You freaking liberal yankees are getting a full does of truth today.  Sucks.  Nothing like what you learned in the history books, is it?  OMG they lied to me in school. Doh!  Suck it libtards!

http://www.dixiescv.org/slavery.html


I'm pretty sure this just turned into performance art. Nobody can be from that deep in the south and use a computer.
2013-02-06 04:35:43 PM
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: Enjoy the black and white argumentative vitriol. Keep making things worse.


Oh, I grew up in a southern state myself. I don't actually hate the south.

I do hate the bullshiat "Slavery had nothing to do with the civil war" canard, because *IT'S WRONG*.

It's the same reason I start twitching whenever Deepak Chopra and "QUANTUM MECHANICS IS MAAAAAAAGIC" comes up. Believe me, that line of discussion will actually incite waaaaaayyy more vitrol from me.
2013-02-06 04:29:10 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: Felgraf: Hrm. Gee. I am positively stumped. I'm sure dukwbutter can explain how this is, in fact, not about slavery, though.

Both Lincoln and Grant owned slaves. In his inaugural address of March 4, 1861, U.S. President Abraham Lincoln stated, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."  Union General U.S. Grant said, "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side."

So, yeah, it wasn't about slavery. The more you know...


You're an idiot sir.

There is no documented proof Grant ever said that.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Ulysses_S._Grant

There is also this from NYT Dated August 1872:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F20813F7355C1A7493 C2 AA1783D85F468784F9

"Also, Grant's wife Julia's father owned slaves, although Grant's father was an abolitionist. Grant owned a young male slave that his father-in-law gave his wife for about a year. He freed the man in 1859, although he could have sold him for $1000 dollars at a time that he was steeped in debt.
Another Grant quote is as follows :
'As soon as slavery fired upon the flag, it was felt, we all felt, even those who did not object to slaves, that slavery must be destroyed. We felt that it was a stain to the Union that men should be bought and sold like cattle... there had to be an end to slavery.' "   http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f= 101; t=000255;p=0

Why don't you try something else?
2013-02-06 04:28:40 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: I think it's pathetic that the white southern christian male is demonized. It's the last unprotected class of the politically correct. Blacks. Gays. Jews. Anything is fine, so long as you're not a white southern christian male. Then, all bets are off.


Demonized? The same way White Southern Christian Males demonized everyone else for a few hundred years? You're upset because you're not getting treated as lords of the manor anymore?

Grow up, snowflake. No one cares who you are, where you come from or what religion you claim (well, right up until those things become justifications for mistreating others). If you're feeling demonized, I'd start taking a long look at what you're calling "demonization" and what the delta is between what you're expecting and what you're getting.

Also, "demonization" is going to be a tough sell when all the statistics still point to white advantage. Don't feel bad - I get to use that advantage too, despite being Jewish. SO unfair, right?
2013-02-06 04:22:06 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: The Larch: You don't understand how the quote button works, do you? Maybe you can be proud of that, too.

Actually. I do. How about a big cup of go fark yourself?


Can I get a donut with that?
2013-02-06 04:18:04 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: danfrank: Abraham Lincoln owned slaves? Please provide a citation for that, because I think you're full of shiat.

Git some!!!  You freaking liberal yankees are getting a full does of truth today.  Sucks.  Nothing like what you learned in the history books, is it?  OMG they lied to me in school. Doh!  Suck it libtards!

http://www.dixiescv.org/slavery.html


Wow is that link full of absolute shiat.
2013-02-06 04:17:59 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: So, when he said the south could keep their slaves if they would just rejoin the Union....you would explain that how.  They're just "quotes".  I love how "quotes" are different from "historical facts".  Tell me more professor. :O


The South seceded to preserve slavery. Anything Lincoln did in response to that does nothing change their reasons for seceding.

Lincoln loved his country and hated war more than he hated slavery.  He wasn't a perfect man, and he didn't always make the right choices.

But the hard cold fact is that the South went to war to preserve slavery.  That was their stated purpose.  Learn your history.
2013-02-06 04:10:57 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: So, when he said the south could keep their slaves if they would just rejoin the Union....you would explain that how.  They're just "quotes".  I love how "quotes" are different from "historical facts".  Tell me more professor. :O


Now this is interesting. If secession had nothing to do with slavery, then why on earth would Lincoln ever think to offer such a concession to reverse it? The very idea you're appealing to insists that you're wrong. So in short, if Lincoln was trying to double back on his emancipation platform to end secession, then secession clearly had something to do with slavery. Again, you're trying to use isolated elements to ignore facts, only now you're even screwing that up.
2013-02-06 04:08:58 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: The Larch: succession

Meaning "No, you don't know the difference either?"


You don't understand how the quote button works, do you?  Maybe you can be proud of that, too.
2013-02-06 04:07:19 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: Don't dare tell me what I can and can't be proud of. fark you. I'm proud of the secession of the South. fark the North. Lincoln and Grant both had slaves. fark you for telling me what I can be proud of.


Be proud of whatever you want. Don't expect the rest of us to start showering you with flowers and adoration for it, though.

// those are suggestions for good-neighboring, not absolute thou-shall-nots
// you're proud of the South's secession? Well, I'm proud the North kicked the South's sorry asses all the way to Vicksburg and back
// you may find that that pride does not endear you to most Americans - but I think you deserve to know this beforehand
2013-02-06 04:02:06 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: Felgraf: Hrm. Gee. I am positively stumped. I'm sure dukwbutter can explain how this is, in fact, not about slavery, though.

Both Lincoln and Grant owned slaves. In his inaugural address of March 4, 1861, U.S. President Abraham Lincoln stated, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."  Union General U.S. Grant said, "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side."

So, yeah, it wasn't about slavery. The more you know...


Abraham Lincoln owned slaves? Please provide a citation for that, because I think you're full of shiat.
2013-02-06 04:00:48 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: Dr. Whoof: dukwbutter: And to look at a group of people and say that they have nothing to be proud of.

They have plenty to be proud of. The Confederacy is not one of them. The Civil War is not one of them. The Confederate flag is not one of them.

We are proud of every one of these things.  You have no right to tell Southerners what they are allowed to be proud of. fark you and the horse you rode in on.


Actually, I sure do have a right to tell them.  They don't have to listen, unless they get all "secessiony" again and then, well, they get told with bullets (and these days, missiles, artillery, etc).

However, yeah, I have every right to say treating other human beings as property and essentially livestock, and fighting a war to that end, is nothing to be proud of.  It's a heritage of evil.  Instead, go be proud of GOOD things the south has done.
2013-02-06 03:59:40 PM
1 votes:

The Larch: Well, even a trivial monument to slavery and oppression is a bad thing. I think it's pretty awesome that we've successfully tackled so much of the big stuff and we're finally down to the little stuff.


I'd wager there are plenty of Robert E. Lee statues that need torn down.
2013-02-06 03:56:07 PM
1 votes:
From molasses to rum to slaves, the whole country, north and south were in on the slave trade.
2013-02-06 03:52:49 PM
1 votes:
I bet this sign isn't even up anymore. History erasers!

nysiaf.org
2013-02-06 03:51:16 PM
1 votes:
Memphis names things, to remember them...


Democrats elect them to write laws...
images.politico.com

Which is worse?
2013-02-06 03:49:18 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: Dr. Whoof:They have plenty to be proud of. The Confederacy is not one of them. The Civil War is not one of them. The Confederate flag is not one of them.

We are proud of every one of these things.  You have no right to tell Southerners what they are allowed to be proud of. fark you and the horse you rode in on.


Well, you go right ahead and be proud.  Bless your heart.
2013-02-06 03:46:28 PM
1 votes:

CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...


www.smokymtbarbecue.com
2013-02-06 03:45:20 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Spaced Cowboy: We're erasing your sad, century long devotion to honoring those dark spots as your "heritage."

It's not just "their" heritage, it's the country's.  Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable (and perhaps it should), but "making it go away" isn't the proper response to ugly chapters in our history.


Want to make sure we never forget the history?  Rename the streets for Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman.   Name them for Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King.  Don't name them for Klansmen and traitors.
2013-02-06 03:32:52 PM
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Onkel Buck: someonelse: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

Not the worst.

[freebeacon.com image 798x498]

ohyou.jpg

/hating rich people is a learned behavior

Fail.  You don't have to teach a dog to want another dog's bone.


Coveting is not the same as hatred.
2013-02-06 03:16:53 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: And to look at a group of people and say that they have nothing to be proud of.


They have plenty to be proud of.  The Confederacy is  not one of them.  The Civil War is  not one of them.  The Confederate flag is  not one of them.

It's not so much having pride, it's being proud of something profoundly and forever linked to the concept of owning other human beings and treating them as property.  That's, sorry, just not something to be proud of.

There's plenty of other things the south could be proud of, but this is like a millstone they wear around their necks and act like it's made of gold.
2013-02-06 03:16:02 PM
1 votes:

ph0rk: oldfarthenry: darth_badger: [www4.pictures.zimbio.com image 431x594]
"Rename all the parks but make sure to take out all the basketball courts."

Can I politely ask who/what the f**k is that?

A person dressed up like Uncle Ruckus:

[i317.photobucket.com image 600x750]



No it's the REAL Uncle Ruckus, Gary Anthony Williams, in costume at the NAACP Image awards promoting the new movie project.

http://youtu.be/XCVrZ10tFT0 - Uncle Ruckus at the NAACP Image Awards - NSFW
2013-02-06 03:14:13 PM
1 votes:

CheekyMonkey: Farce-Side: CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...

So, the same thing the rest of the country has to be proud of then?  (Native Americans ring a bell?)

Benjamin Orr: CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...

You mean the Indians?

A good point for a different discussion.  It, however, doesn't address my original question, unless you're trying to say that subjugating Africans was OK by virtue of the fact that we'd already subjugated the Native Americans.



If they'd been a little more disease resistant, the European colonists wouldn't have imported Africans.
2013-02-06 03:10:46 PM
1 votes:

oldfarthenry: darth_badger: [www4.pictures.zimbio.com image 431x594]
"Rename all the parks but make sure to take out all the basketball courts."

Can I politely ask who/what the f**k is that?



Uncle Ruckus ... no relation.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/362353100/the-uncle-ruckus-movie
2013-02-06 03:09:00 PM
1 votes:
I've asked folks what "Southern Pride" stands for, and most answers are some form of "being proud of your heritage."

Just remember that White Southern heritage is basically succeeding from the Union because you wanted to continue to keep other human beings as slaves.
2013-02-06 03:07:15 PM
1 votes:
 Just name the gatdanged Park after Colonel Angus and be done with it, you honkey assed crackers.  You know the brother don't wan' nothin' to do with no Colonel Angus.
2013-02-06 03:07:03 PM
1 votes:
cynicalbastard: And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...

Well that is the typical Libertarian POV on this.
2013-02-06 03:06:22 PM
1 votes:

MagSeven: RealityChuck: Nathan Bedford Forrest was an advocate for Civil Rights after the war.  Read the article.

Notably this speech to the organization that later became the NAACP:

Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

Wow, I did not know that.



It's not as impressive as it sounds. He was making a speech to a black audience, in an attempt to win black voters. He did bugger all to further their civil rights. Read it in context.
2013-02-06 03:04:49 PM
1 votes:

SMB2811: All2morrowsparTs: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

You celebrate treason as heritage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_of_july


It's only treason if you lose the war.
2013-02-06 03:04:48 PM
1 votes:

Bartleby the Scrivener: at  least forrest sounds like a good loser.  tldr: suck it up, we lost. you'll get over it.

farewell letter to troops (wiki)


Forrest may have been a capable military commander who did his military duty with courage and honor. He was also a vicious racist who was a founder of the KKK.

Memorials (even something as simple as the name of a park) are inherently hagiographic--they celebrate an individual while glossing over or ignoring that individual's flaws, mistakes, and problems. They indicate that the subject of the memorial was a praiseworthy individual, and the glow of that praise encompasses--to a greater or lesser extent--everything that person did. That's why memorials to Forrest are inherently problematic.

I doubt you'll find a park anywhere in this country named after Benedict Arnold, despite the fact that he served the Continental Army with distinction between 1775 and 1779. Because to memorialize him in such a way would serve to diminish the enormity of his treason.
2013-02-06 03:04:46 PM
1 votes:

max_pooper: They can be proud all they want but they shouldn't be surprised when people correctly point that their "heritage" is deeply rooted in destructive racism.


Last time I checked, the North had slaves also.  Oh, and the South didn't invent it. It's been around for as long as men have walked the earth. But yeah, let's all focus on hating Southerners. :O
http://www.slavenorth.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery
2013-02-06 03:03:07 PM
1 votes:

farm machine: The cleansing of history continues as the intolerant continue to widen their scope of what is offensive.  Why not leave these parks named as is as a testament to ill conceived failures?  A tribute to our ability to persevere and triumph over adversity.  When we lose sight of where we've come from don't we also risk letting history repeat itself?


Yes how dare we not tolerate slavery, racism and treason. Those things shouldn't be considered in any way offensive. We must continue to honor those associated with those noble causes.
2013-02-06 03:03:04 PM
1 votes:
oldfarthenry:
Can I politely ask who/what the f**k is that?

Uncle Ruckus.


no relation
2013-02-06 03:01:04 PM
1 votes:

quiet_american: It is much better and wiser to let regions of this enormous country showcase what they want. If Memphis wants to make a memorial to Gen. Forrest, let them. If 200 years later they want to tear it down, let them. If pro-Confederate groups want to agitate against the changes, let them. Let them persuade the people of Memphis.


Why don't you just calm down and let people biatch and rant on fark? Seriously, pro-Confederate groups can agitate, but you can't tolerate people just talking on fark? Fascist freak....
2013-02-06 02:59:12 PM
1 votes:
"" Memphis votes ""

Democracy.  How does it work?
2013-02-06 02:57:39 PM
1 votes:
www4.pictures.zimbio.com
"Rename all the parks but make sure to take out all the basketball courts."
2013-02-06 02:56:36 PM
1 votes:
People just don't want anything to change.  Especially Southerners who always handle change the worst.  Over the last 50 years all of these Yankees moved down and took the jobs that Southerners couldn't do because Southerners wouldn't change.

If Southerners had changed and spent more time working on math rather than practicing football, then they might have prevented the Yankee influx that has supplanted their inferior culture and heritage.  These Southern people have no one to blame but themselves for the end of their traditions.  That's how it's always worked.  The winners write history.

If you people had collectively been more industrious, then you could be sitting around Manhattan, yammering about how the biscuits are so much better in Birmingham.  Alas, you have to hear me lament the lack of decent bagels while you wait on me at the Waffle House.
2013-02-06 02:51:57 PM
1 votes:

RealityChuck: Nathan Bedford Forrest was an advocate for Civil Rights after the war.  Read the article.

Notably this speech to the organization that later became the NAACP:

Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

He then gave a black w ...


Wow. Did not know that.
2013-02-06 02:48:11 PM
1 votes:
Its not like Germany took down all the Hitler statues and decided to stop flying the Nazi flag over their capital.
2013-02-06 02:47:01 PM
1 votes:

Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods


Not the worst.

freebeacon.com
2013-02-06 02:43:39 PM
1 votes:

Mija: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

No you don't understand. You cannot rewrite history and the men who served did so honorably. They were Americans and you don't have to agree with their cause to honor them for doing what they saw as their duty. I just love how Northerners pretend they didn't buy and sell slaves or that every southerner was a slave owner. Ignorant tool.

I grew up in the South. I am white and lived in a black neighborhood. I saw a lot of parents tell their kids to call me names and fight me because I was a white child. I never saw a white, southern person doing that. So you keep on making up that alternate reality you think the south is today.



Hail slavery, the New England dream!
Mr. Adams, I give you a toast:
Hail Boston! Hail Charleston!
Who stinketh the most?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUi1xtUQkBI
2013-02-06 02:43:01 PM
1 votes:

stampylives: He was active with and expressed strong belief in the mission of the KKK until he was at least 31 years old. That reaaaaaallly pushing it on "youthful indiscretion."


In 2005, when he offered that apology, he was 88 - "the sins of his [relative] youth".

// 57 years is a long damned time - some might say "a lifetime"
2013-02-06 02:38:48 PM
1 votes:

CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...


I'm glad someone is thinking of the Native Americans.
2013-02-06 02:37:39 PM
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: I grew up in Memphis, and here's the thing - Memphis is a nearly 70% black city, stuck deep in a racist Red state bordered by an even more racist Red state. The state often passes laws with the express purpose of messing with Memphis. So, when the state proposed a ban on renaming parks named after Veterans - Memphis rushed to rename the parks in their borders that glorify the rebelious (and many say, racist) past of that city.

You really want to get into some racism, look at the reverse takeover of the Shelby county schools by Memphis. And yes, that was also started by State level action.


FTFY

Memphis and Mississippi are just awful.

I wouldn't have to go though there if there was a faster way to NOLA from St. Louis by car.
2013-02-06 02:36:53 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Brick-House: oh wait...

[www.publiusforum.com image 400x324]

Oh, come on, you disingenuous farkhead, finish his life in quotes:

I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened.

That's from 2005. So by all means - continue slandering a man who has offered endless apology for the sins of his youth. Just like Jesus would want.

// also, he's been dead for 2.5 years already, and there are plenty of living racists in Congress, if your ire is that up about it
// or, regale us with your best Ted Kennedy jokes; and you probably have a good zinger about Inouye, too


He was active with and expressed strong belief in the mission of the KKK until he was at least 31 years old.  That reaaaaaallly pushing it on "youthful indiscretion."
2013-02-06 02:36:40 PM
1 votes:
I love how most everybody here uses the typical Southern stereotype. All southern whites are racist. For you guys, I have seen some dumb motherfarkers in my life, but you take the cake.
2013-02-06 02:35:04 PM
1 votes:
I grew up in Memphis, and here's the thing - Memphis is a nearly 70% black city, stuck deep in a racist Red state. The state often passes laws with the express purpose of messing with Memphis. So, when the state proposed a ban on renaming parks named after Veterans - Memphis rushed to rename the parks in their borders that glorify the rebelious (and many say, racist) past of that city.

You really want to get into some racism, look at the reverse takeover of the Shelby county schools by Memphis. And yes, that was also started by State level action.
2013-02-06 02:34:45 PM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: HotWingConspiracy: Mid_mo_mad_man: Forrest did not start the KKK that existed in the 1950's. The klan he founded died out fairly quickly.

Well that hardly deserves a park naming.

Being a brilliant military commander does. Btw the federal armies did not defeat Lee. Northern manufacturing & the USA Navy did


Bullshiat. Lee was not the flawless commander myth makes him out to be. Nor were the union generals the universal disasters that myth would make them to be. Lee failed in both his major offensive campaigns. Meade, Sheridan and Grant destroyed the Army of Northern Virgina.
2013-02-06 02:34:18 PM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: HotWingConspiracy: Mid_mo_mad_man: Forrest did not start the KKK that existed in the 1950's. The klan he founded died out fairly quickly.

Well that hardly deserves a park naming.

Being a brilliant military commander does

.

Totally. I'll see you at Rommel Park later.

Btw the federal armies did not defeat Lee. Northern manufacturing & the USA Navy did

The important thing is that he and the south were utterly defeated.
2013-02-06 02:34:07 PM
1 votes:

Mija: No you don't understand. You cannot rewrite history and the men who served did so honorably. They were Americans and you don't have to agree with their cause to honor them for doing what they saw as their duty.


There are those who would say that the cause they served negates any honor that they might otherwise have deserved for the way they served it. Indeed, there are many nowadays who decry the idea of deriving honor from duty, precisely because doing it can drive people to serve such causes.

I don't agree with that school of thought, but it's the sort of argument you're up against. It's maddeningly difficult to refute, because it follows pretty darn well from a certain set of underlying assumptions and values that these same people have had an effective time propagating, and so you wind up having to attack those, and pretty soon you're in a philosophical argument so distant from the original point that you get dismissed as out of scope.
2013-02-06 02:32:34 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: I'd be more surprised if nobody in Memphis had a problem with this.


Done in one.

One trip to Memphis makes me realize that racial relations in St. Louis are like that Coke commercial where people sing in harmony compared to race relations in Memphis.
2013-02-06 02:31:36 PM
1 votes:

Mija: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

No you don't understand. You cannot rewrite history and the men who served did so honorably. They were Americans and you don't have to agree with their cause to honor them for doing what they saw as their duty. I just love how Northerners pretend they didn't buy and sell slaves or that every southerner was a slave owner. Ignorant tool.

I grew up in the South. I am white and lived in a black neighborhood. I saw a lot of parents tell their kids to call me names and fight me because I was a white child. I never saw a white, southern person doing that. So you keep on making up that alternate reality you think the south is today.


Do you think that might have something to do with you growing up in a black neighborhood?
2013-02-06 02:31:11 PM
1 votes:
at  least forrest sounds like a good loser.  tldr: suck it up, we lost. you'll get over it.

farewell letter to troops (wiki)

Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.

The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone. In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.
2013-02-06 02:28:42 PM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: There are still US cities States named after British royalty.

2013-02-06 02:28:26 PM
1 votes:

das: MCStymie: So...what would the crime rate look like on Nathan Bedford Forrest Avenue?

About the same as on MLK Drive.


I, for one, have visions of trailer-rowhomes, loud country music blaring at all hours, and tricked-out pickup trucks.
2013-02-06 02:28:02 PM
1 votes:
Where have I seen this before? Oh yeah...

t1.gstatic.com

I figured the revised flag was a little less offensive than the original...

/art imitates life again.
2013-02-06 02:27:48 PM
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...


Will they be followed by the "Islam is a religion of peace" crowd?

/KKK & Islam = death cults
2013-02-06 02:26:50 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Mid_mo_mad_man: Forrest did not start the KKK that existed in the 1950's. The klan he founded died out fairly quickly.

Well that hardly deserves a park naming.




Being a brilliant military commander does. Btw the federal armies did not defeat Lee. Northern manufacturing & the USA Navy did
2013-02-06 02:25:34 PM
1 votes:

Brick-House: How about naming one the Robert Byrd Memorial Park?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x275]


Or how about Strom Thurman Park?
You know the guy who birth a child from a black women as he campaigned to take her rights away.

/At least Byrd recanted his beliefs and worked for civil rights.
2013-02-06 02:24:22 PM
1 votes:
Have you seen this day and age, Subby?
2013-02-06 02:23:28 PM
1 votes:

All2morrowsparTs: Maybe we should start naming things after British Reveloutionary War Generals in New England and American-Mexican Mexican Generals in the Southwest.

How about the Benedict Arnaold Memorial Park.


He's already got a style of eggs.
2013-02-06 02:21:53 PM
1 votes:
Forrest did not start the KKK that existed in the 1950's. The klan he founded died out fairly quickly.
2013-02-06 02:21:02 PM
1 votes:
Maybe we should start naming things after British Reveloutionary War Generals in New England and American-Mexican Mexican Generals in the Southwest.

How about the Benedict Arnaold Memorial Park.
2013-02-06 02:20:38 PM
1 votes:

doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???


fark you, carpetbagger.

More bourbon, barbecue, and hush puppies for me us.
2013-02-06 02:19:06 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Brick-House: oh wait...

[www.publiusforum.com image 400x324]

Oh, come on, you disingenuous farkhead, finish his life in quotes:

I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened.

That's from 2005. So by all means - continue slandering a man who has offered endless apology for the sins of his youth. Just like Jesus would want.

// also, he's been dead for 2.5 years already, and there are plenty of living racists in Congress, if your ire is that up about it
// or, regale us with your best Ted Kennedy jokes; and you probably have a good zinger about Inouye, too


apology you say...


1.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-06 02:17:39 PM
1 votes:
You can't get much closer to Satan than Nathan Bedford Forrest, but he was one of the best cavalry commanders to ever live.  You have to give the murderous, slave trading, son of a biatch that.
2013-02-06 02:16:41 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


No no, they can be proud.

Well they can be proud, hear now

Be proud you're a rebel

'Cause the South's gonna do it again*

*get their asses kicked in and have their disgusting way of life buried forever
2013-02-06 02:14:38 PM
1 votes:

mysticcat: KJUW89: States' rights!  States' rights!

/Did I do that right?
//probably not...
///Stupid South indeed.

doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

Please spare me your condescension.  There are just as many backward-ass racists and bigots in the rest of the U.S. as there are in the Southeast.  Except for Mississippi, maybe.  They are really bad.


Okay.  I'll bite.  How many of them have parks named after the founder of the KKK?

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


See above, farkwit.
2013-02-06 02:13:02 PM
1 votes:

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


I'm sure their are other people for them to honor besides the founder of the Klan.
2013-02-06 02:12:15 PM
1 votes:
There is nothing wrong with honoring the past.
2013-02-06 02:11:51 PM
1 votes:

Pochas: Why do people in the south love general Lee so much?  .


Dukes of Hazzard.
2013-02-06 02:11:14 PM
1 votes:
They have a big statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest in town, which should be a clue about race relations in Memphis.
2013-02-06 02:08:39 PM
1 votes:
There are still US cities named after British royalty.
2013-02-06 02:08:23 PM
1 votes:
There is no law against stupidity and poor taste.
2013-02-06 02:06:26 PM
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...


Who are only half as goofy as the crowd that say the Lincolin freed the slaves.
2013-02-06 02:04:47 PM
1 votes:
B-b-b-but our heritage!
2013-02-06 02:03:43 PM
1 votes:
States' rights!  States' rights!

/Did I do that right?
//probably not...
///Stupid South indeed.
2013-02-06 01:53:58 PM
1 votes:
So they've only lost a battle and not the War of Northern Aggression?

Sounds legit.
 
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