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(Lafayette Advertiser)   The city of Memphis votes to rename three city parks that honored the Confederacy and its leaders, including one named after the founder of the KKK. Sadly, even in this day and age, some people have a problem with that   (theadvertiser.com) divider line 589
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2013-02-06 03:18:00 PM  
From South Carolina's Article of Secession.

"

No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.



The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.



The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."
These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.



We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.


For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.


This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.


On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.


The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.


Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.


We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.


Adopted December 24, 1860  "cession.


Man. They mention slavery a LOT in there. Weird. I was assured it was not about slavery at all!
 
2013-02-06 03:18:28 PM  

MagicMissile: I'm opposed to it also, simply because its part of our nations history.

We have schools and parks named after Malcolm X who was a hatred filled racist man, who in the end was shot something like 50 times by his own followers.

Get over it.


Someone left history class before the 8th grade ended. You need to download an update to your history database. You read like a MapQuest map that hasn't added the newer streets yet.
 
2013-02-06 03:19:49 PM  

Dr. Whoof: scout48: Those people fought for what that state believed in.  Agree or disagree, I respect that. So many have forgotten that slavery was only a part of the civil war. We were a country that only a generation or two before had fought to be free from an oppressive government. Many were just pissed off that the new government, not as old as their fathers and grandfathers, was already telling them what to do. Many of the wealthy and influential feared their livelihood would be destroyed. Perspective helps. Any person denying slavery was a big part of the Civil War is an idiot. Any one who says it was the only factor is just as big of an idiot. The south believed they were being oppressed and fought to end that perceived oppression. The only difference in the south and the Revolutionary Colonials (who were slave owners) is that the Colonials won. Had they lost we would all be talking about what murderous and treasonous asses we all were as we toasted long live the queen.

So, just to be clear, you'd be cool with parks named in honor of the 9/11 hijackers too, right?  They were fighting for what they believed in, however abhorrent.  That's, you know, what you seem to be saying, that because they believed in what they were doing, it absolves them of responsibility for their actions.

You know who else I think you'd be ok with a park named after?



It's almost a sure bet that there are parks named after them. Just not on this continent.
 
2013-02-06 03:19:57 PM  

GoldSpider: "Those who fail to learn erase the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."


There it is again. Seriously, how much mercury do you have to eat to think that changing a street sign is erasing history? Talk about a total loss of perspective...
 
2013-02-06 03:21:38 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: ph0rk: ///Charcoal filtering != bourbon.

That does not preclude it from being called bourbon.


Actually real Bourbon is not Charcholed filtered. It is aged in barrels that have been burnt out.
 
2013-02-06 03:21:46 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Noam Chimpsky: There are still US cities States named after British

sassy black Spanish royalty.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-06 03:21:53 PM  

Ned Stark: The north and south should split up again. Both of us would be better off.


Then you'd have a massive influx of black and poor people into the union as their lives become massively more depressing and deadly under the Rush Limbaugh presidency.
 
2013-02-06 03:22:17 PM  

VendorXeno: There it is again. Seriously, how much mercury do you have to eat to think that changing a street sign is erasing history? Talk about a total loss of perspective...


...so you say as if this is a new, isolated phenomena, and that the sanitizing of our history hasn't been going on for decades.
 
2013-02-06 03:22:45 PM  
Excerpt from the Texas Articles of Secession:

"Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery - the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits - a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slaveholding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.

By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law, to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.

The Federal Government, while but partially under the control of these our unnatural and sectional enemies, has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico; and when our State government has expended large amounts for such purpose, the Federal Government has refuse reimbursement therefore, thus rendering our condition more insecure and harassing than it was during the existence of the Republic of Texas.

These and other wrongs we have patiently borne in the vain hope that a returning sense of justice and humanity would induce a different course of administration.

When we advert to the course of individual non-slaveholding States, and that a majority of their citizens, our grievances assume far greater magnitude.

The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article [the fugitive slave clause] of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate the amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions - a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color - a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slaveholding States.

By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a "higher law" than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.
"

Weird, they mention slavery a lot too. In fact, a major contention seems to be that the North *isn't* helping  them recapture slaves via the fugitive slave act! (Despite such an act *violating* the Northern States "State Rights").

How strange. Perhaps all the states were just lying about their ACTUAL reasons for seceding, and just mentioned slavery a lot because...

Well...

Hrm. Gee. I am positively stumped. I'm sure dukwbutter can explain how this is, in fact, not about slavery, though.
 
2013-02-06 03:22:48 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

"That's nice... They named a tank after me."

: )
 
2013-02-06 03:23:09 PM  

Rapmaster2000: People just don't want anything to change.  Especially Southerners who always handle change the worst.  Over the last 50 years all of these Yankees moved down and took the jobs that Southerners couldn't do because Southerners wouldn't change.

If Southerners had changed and spent more time working on math rather than practicing football, then they might have prevented the Yankee influx that has supplanted their inferior culture and heritage.  These Southern people have no one to blame but themselves for the end of their traditions.  That's how it's always worked.  The winners write history.

If you people had collectively been more industrious, then you could be sitting around Manhattan, yammering about how the biscuits are so much better in Birmingham.  Alas, you have to hear me lament the lack of decent bagels while you wait on me at the Waffle House.


Hey now, they tried to be more collectively industrious.  But then we set their labor force free.

Surely you're not suggesting that they actually do something themselves, now?

/am full of sarcasm and snark today
//having to code in java always has this effect on me
 
2013-02-06 03:23:35 PM  

VendorXeno: GoldSpider: "Those who fail to learn erase the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

There it is again. Seriously, how much mercury do you have to eat to think that changing a street sign is erasing history? Talk about a total loss of perspective...


Sorry, I agree with GoldSpider. I LIVE in Memphis and this is a stupid idea. Good or bad, the Civil War did happen. It's part of history. It's part of who we are today. It's stupid to try and erase the dark spots. Accept them and move on.
 
2013-02-06 03:25:09 PM  

keylock71: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x317]

"That's nice... They named a tank after me."

: )


I propose we name an expressway from Atlanta to Savannah for him!

I wonder what method we can use to defoliate the land to be used ... hmmm ...
 
2013-02-06 03:25:16 PM  

SuperChuck: SMB2811: All2morrowsparTs: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

You celebrate treason as heritage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_of_july

It's only treason if you lose the war.


Treason never prospers.
What's the reason?
If it doth prosper,
none dare call it treason!
 
2013-02-06 03:26:05 PM  
Every time this type of thread comes up about the South, it's hilarious to read the sanctimonious comments from people who have never lived here.
 
2013-02-06 03:26:55 PM  

GoldSpider: ...so you say as if this is a new, isolated phenomena, and that the sanitizing of our history hasn't been going on for decades.


Really? They've stopped teaching about the CIVIL WAR in schools? The last hold out for historic accuracy is a goddamned STREET SIGN? Are you even listening to yourself? There is nothing here that involves the "sanitation of history." I dunno what AM radio inspired delusions you use to craft your reactions but changing a street name in Memphis isn't part of any conspiracy to erase the facts of the Civil War.
 
2013-02-06 03:26:58 PM  

max_pooper: The State of Texas officially observes (with state employees getting a paid day off) Confederate Heroes Day, Martin Luther King Day and Emancipation Day In Texas.


Never heard of Confederate Heroes Day. Lived in TX for 25 years. No such thing as Emancipation Day, unless you mean Juneteenth.
 
2013-02-06 03:27:09 PM  

oldfarthenry: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

So the 'merikun mission statement of that war was to "run away whilst screaming like girls & pissing your pants"?

There's a spot not far from where I'm sitting where a few hundred men under Andrew Jackson turned a much larger force of the Crown's finest into alligator shiat.

And there's a whole country I'm sittin' in that you blowhards failed to conquer - on three attempts, I might add.


And yet, the current take over is being done with out a shot fired. Sad, i expected more from those who refused to be defeated by the blitz. Sad....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkuzEUVqIDo&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-02-06 03:27:47 PM  

TerminalEchoes: VendorXeno: GoldSpider: "Those who fail to learn erase the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

There it is again. Seriously, how much mercury do you have to eat to think that changing a street sign is erasing history? Talk about a total loss of perspective...

Sorry, I agree with GoldSpider. I LIVE in Memphis and this is a stupid idea. Good or bad, the Civil War did happen. It's part of history. It's part of who we are today. It's stupid to try and erase the dark spots. Accept them and move on.


I knew you guys hated schools, but I didn't know you couldn't even afford textbooks and had to do all your book learning from street signs.
 
2013-02-06 03:27:48 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Red Shirt Blues: ph0rk: ///Charcoal filtering != bourbon.

That does not preclude it from being called bourbon.

Actually real Bourbon is not Charcholed filtered. It is aged in barrels that have been burnt out.


Makers of Tennessee Whisky do both. And technically, they could call it bourbon - I think they do outside the US. JD still tastes like crap, though. Dickel no. 12 used to be great, but has gone downhill since Diageo  took over.

You can also call whiskey that has only been aged 3 months bourbon if the mashbill is right and the aging was done in charred oak.
 
2013-02-06 03:27:49 PM  

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?


I'm of German heritage?  Would you have a problem with people being proud of THAT?
 
2013-02-06 03:29:02 PM  

oldfarthenry: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

So the 'merikun mission statement of that war was to "run away whilst screaming like girls & pissing your pants"?

There's a spot not far from where I'm sitting where a few hundred men under Andrew Jackson turned a much larger force of the Crown's finest into alligator shiat.

And there's a whole country I'm sittin' in that you blowhards failed to conquer - on three attempts, I might add.


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Canucks are so cute when they get uppity.
Like a chihuahua yapping at your heels kinda cute.
 
2013-02-06 03:30:58 PM  

VendorXeno: quiet


yea, let them agitate, and let the other people speak their minds without resorting to such reflexive and tired memes:

Quotes like Forrest "is as close to Satan as you can get" - it's just stupid. I'd call it juvenile but I've heard juveniles make better arguments than that.

It's the zealousness of the ignorant mob, screaming soundbites.

I'm not trying to push my particular policy choice here, but in general, we'd all benefit from:
1- elevating the discourse
2- refraining from soundbites
3- tolerating dissident opinion

And yes, that includes pro-Confederate arguments. That includes pro-Forrest arguments.

I realize this is a web forum and asking people these things is, in itself, cliche. But as I said it's just depressing to read some of the ignorant viciousness in here.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:17 PM  

TerminalEchoes: VendorXeno: GoldSpider: "Those who fail to learn erase the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

There it is again. Seriously, how much mercury do you have to eat to think that changing a street sign is erasing history? Talk about a total loss of perspective...

Sorry, I agree with GoldSpider. I LIVE in Memphis and this is a stupid idea. Good or bad, the Civil War did happen. It's part of history. It's part of who we are today. It's stupid to try and erase the dark spots. Accept them and move on.


No one is erasing history.  We're erasing your sad, century long devotion to honoring those dark spots as your "heritage."

Try learning about history from, oh i don't know, a book perhaps.  You really shouldn't be learning about the history of your country from flags, road signs, and placards at state parks.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:21 PM  

zarberg: keylock71: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x317]

"That's nice... They named a tank after me."

: )

I propose we name an expressway from Atlanta to Savannah for him!

I wonder what method we can use to defoliate the land to be used ... hmmm ...


zarberg: keylock71: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x317]

"That's nice... They named a tank after me."

: )

I propose we name an expressway from Atlanta to Savannah for him!

I wonder what method we can use to defoliate the land to be used ... hmmm ...


Lol... If I were a wealthy man, I'd organize an Annual William Tecumseh Sherman Banquet in Atlanta.

They named a tank after Lee, too, but it never had the name recognition the Sherman did.

...And if memory serves me correctly, the British version of the M3 Lee was called the Grant after Ulysses S. Grant.

There's a joke in there somewhere... Damned if I can figure it out, though.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:25 PM  

scout48: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

Wow! Did you know the first successful heart transplant happened in the south? Did you know a ton of your food comes from the south? Did you know the natural beauty of the south brings in billions of tourist dollars? You are a troll and I just fed you, I hope you are happy.

Those people fought for what that state believed in.  Agree or disagree, I respect that. So many have forgotten that slavery was only a part of the civil war. We were a country that only a generation or two before had fought to be free from an oppressive government. Many were just pissed off that the new government, not as old as their fathers and grandfathers, was already telling them what to do. Many of the wealthy and influential feared their livelihood would be destroyed. Perspective helps. Any person denying slavery was a big part of the Civil War is an idiot. Any one who says it was the only factor is just as big of an idiot. The south believed they were being oppressed and fought to end that perceived oppression. The only difference in the south and the Revolutionary Colonials (who were slave owners) is that the Colonials won. Had they lost we would all be talking about what murderous and treasonous asses we all were as we toasted long live the queen.


This is why the South, where I live is so farked up. I live in Memphis too. Check out the comments tab in the article. Unf*cking believable. Most of them are Angry Old Retired Men and members of the Clan and the SoCV's, gun nuts, Teatards, etc. The myth of the Ole South is burned into their heads and they can't see it any other way. Sad thing is, they just pass this garbled sense of history on to their progeny and it just goes on and on.

I bet your one of those shiatkickers that posts on the CA. Well, buddy, you're in over your head at Fark. Stand by to get your ass handed to you.

The majority of Memphians don't care. Move the bodies and the statue to Shiloh. Just put all of the holy relics on a godam flatbed and drive slowly down Hwy 57 to the military park. All the old south morans can stand by the highway and wave rebel flags and shed a tear when the funerary barge trundles by.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:28 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Sorry, I agree with GoldSpider. I LIVE in Memphis and this is a stupid idea. Good or bad, the Civil War did happen. It's part of history. It's part of who we are today. It's stupid to try and erase the dark spots. Accept them and move on.


Changing a street name doesn't erase history. Read a goddamned book if you want to know your history. . Seriously, thinking that taking a name off a street sign, "erases history," is delusional. The idea imparts a relationship and importance that doesn't exist in reality. Kids don't stare up at street signs and become inspired by the names there. The Pharaoh isn't erasing all trace of these people from public record. Get...some...perspective...The idea that changing a street sign is an attack on history is pure WHARGLEBLAARG.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:45 PM  

dukwbutter: Not only that, but the Civil war wasn't about slavery.


Yes, and WWII was only so that Germany could secure oil shale.
 
2013-02-06 03:32:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Onkel Buck: someonelse: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

Not the worst.

[freebeacon.com image 798x498]

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/hating rich people is a learned behavior

Fail.  You don't have to teach a dog to want another dog's bone.


Coveting is not the same as hatred.
 
2013-02-06 03:33:25 PM  

TerminalEchoes: It's part of history. It's part of who we are today. It's stupid to try and erase the dark spots. Accept them and move on.


A good way to do that "moving on" part might be to rename the parks (which does not, contrary to popular belief, involve erasing all recorded evidence of its prior name). We didn't erase history when we stopped doing the racist version of "eenie meenie miney moe."
 
2013-02-06 03:33:42 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: MagicMissile: I'm opposed to it also, simply because its part of our nations history.

We have schools and parks named after Malcolm X who was a hatred filled racist man, who in the end was shot something like 50 times by his own followers.

Get over it.

Someone left history class before the 8th grade ended. You need to download an update to your history database. You read like a MapQuest map that hasn't added the newer streets yet.


Let me guess, you have one of those "By any means necessary" posters on your wall right now. Idolizing the man holding an AK-47, peering out a window in defiance, not realizing when it was taken he was in fear of his life from the the Nation of Islam.
 
2013-02-06 03:33:42 PM  

VendorXeno: Really? They've stopped teaching about the CIVIL WAR in schools? The last hold out for historic accuracy is a goddamned STREET SIGN? Are you even listening to yourself? There is nothing here that involves the "sanitation of history." I dunno what AM radio inspired delusions you use to craft your reactions but changing a street name in Memphis isn't part of any conspiracy to erase the facts of the Civil War.


The Larch: I knew you guys hated schools, but I didn't know you couldn't even afford textbooks and had to do all your book learning from street signs.


If it's "just a street sign", why expend so much effort and emotion to remove them?
 
2013-02-06 03:33:44 PM  

Felgraf: Mid_mo_mad_man: Being a brilliant military commander does. Btw the federal armies did not defeat Lee. Northern manufacturing & the USA Navy did

Lee did a bang up job of defeating himself, too. Especially not listening to Longstreet's advice with regard to Gettysburg (instead of fighting them there, get between the union army and DC). A LOT of generals in that war used Napoleonic Tactics (An entrenched position can be taken by simply throwing enough people at it) without taking the enhanced firearms of the age into account.


Lee's actions at Gettysburg will forever confuse the hell out of me. It's not as if Lee hadn't seen first hand what concentrated fire from an entrenched position could do. At Cold Harbor and Fredricksburg, the confederates slaughtered Union soldiers on open ground wholesale from behind the safety of cover.

Lee's forces were approaching an enemy armed with superior repeating rifles, who were dug in behind stone walls, and whose approach was open gron
 
2013-02-06 03:33:51 PM  

oh_please: Every time this type of thread comes up about the South, it's hilarious to read the sanctimonious comments from people who have never lived here.


People are pretty bigoted about the rest of the country, too. It's pretty ridiculous.
 
2013-02-06 03:35:36 PM  

Mara See Mara Do: max_pooper: The State of Texas officially observes (with state employees getting a paid day off) Confederate Heroes Day, Martin Luther King Day and Emancipation Day In Texas.

Apologies if this is a repeat, but bullshiat. We get MLK day like everyone else. I have never heard of those other two.

/some of us down here are still sane


It's true.
Juneteenth (Emancipation Day) is a state holiday.
Confederate Heroes Day is a state holiday as well.


\is a Texas state employee.
 
2013-02-06 03:36:11 PM  
I remember sitting in a bar in new orleans years ago when two guys from rhode island came in, and were telling us how backwards and racist the south was.   After a couple of drinks one says "your black people are a louder and more uppity bunch than ours."   Funny how fast that uppity "black" bartender went over the bar.  Then came back and apologized to us and bought us a round after he threw the enlightened yankees out.

When I lived in Philly people kept asking me if I was Puerto Rican.

When I lived in San Fran when I spoke spanish once a guy said to me "you are the whitest mexican I have ever seen."

However, my Colombian/Sicilian mix in south lousiana, was never questioned.  Except every now and then a northerner would ask me if I was a creole...
 
2013-02-06 03:37:15 PM  

TerminalEchoes: VendorXeno: GoldSpider: "Those who fail to learn erase the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

There it is again. Seriously, how much mercury do you have to eat to think that changing a street sign is erasing history? Talk about a total loss of perspective...

Sorry, I agree with GoldSpider. I LIVE in Memphis and this is a stupid idea. Good or bad, the Civil War did happen. It's part of history. It's part of who we are today. It's stupid to try and erase the dark spots. Accept them and move on.


A street name is an honor - a memorial to remember the good deeds of dead people. These places were named as some kind of pathetic holdout that the Civil War was a good idea. These people aren't worth remembering.
 
2013-02-06 03:38:11 PM  

zarberg: keylock71: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x317]

"That's nice... They named a tank after me."

: )

I propose we name an expressway from Atlanta to Savannah for him!

I wonder what method we can use to defoliate the land to be used ... hmmm ...


You mean I-75 / I-16?  We already have that.  We just didn't name it for him.
 
2013-02-06 03:38:27 PM  

Warlordtrooper: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

I'm of German heritage?  Would you have a problem with people being proud of THAT?


I'm of German heritage, too. I'm not proud of it specifically (my family's from basically every country in Europe that isn't the UK, France and Portugal), but I certainly wouldn't hide it. You can be proud of a heritage without incorporating the known-asshole parts of that heritage.

You're from the South? Awesome - talk about biscuits and football and NASCAR and Texas oil and Florida/LA heat and have a silly accent and wear overalls and drink you some sweetea. DON'T, however, be proud of secession, civil war and slavery. "Southern Pride" can be easily reappropriated to mean a Junetime march with rainbow flags.
You're from Germany? Awesome - even though I don't like weissbier, schnitzel is proof of god's love, I know a bit of the language, your people are polite (the few native-Germans I've ever met, anyway) and the endless jokes about sterile efficiency never fail to amuse. DON'T, however, start wistfully remembering WWII from the Kraut side. So long as you're not very "white power"-y, I think you'll be OK citing your German heritage.

// this really shouldn't need to be said
 
2013-02-06 03:38:36 PM  

GoldSpider: VendorXeno: Really? They've stopped teaching about the CIVIL WAR in schools? The last hold out for historic accuracy is a goddamned STREET SIGN? Are you even listening to yourself? There is nothing here that involves the "sanitation of history." I dunno what AM radio inspired delusions you use to craft your reactions but changing a street name in Memphis isn't part of any conspiracy to erase the facts of the Civil War.

The Larch: I knew you guys hated schools, but I didn't know you couldn't even afford textbooks and had to do all your book learning from street signs.

If it's "just a street sign", why expend so much effort and emotion to remove them?


Well, probably because we name streets after people we respect and admire.  We don't name them after traitors.
 
2013-02-06 03:38:41 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: We're erasing your sad, century long devotion to honoring those dark spots as your "heritage."


It's not just "their" heritage, it's the country's.  Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable (and perhaps it should), but "making it go away" isn't the proper response to ugly chapters in our history.
 
2013-02-06 03:39:05 PM  
...open ground covered by artillery.

/posted from my stupid mobile phone
 
2013-02-06 03:40:31 PM  

give me doughnuts: ArtosRC: doczoidberg: Friggin' South. You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

Precisely. The traitors need to be kicked in the pants.


You're 140 years too late.


Here's a question I ought to point out: Should we get rid of Memorial Day too?
 
2013-02-06 03:40:31 PM  
Memphis has streets that change names for a block or two, just so whites could say the didn't live on the same street with blacks.
 
2013-02-06 03:41:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: People just don't want anything to change.  Especially Southerners who always handle change the worst.  Over the last 50 years all of these Yankees moved down and took the jobs that Southerners couldn't do because Southerners wouldn't change.

If Southerners had changed and spent more time working on math rather than practicing football, then they might have prevented the Yankee influx that has supplanted their inferior culture and heritage.  These Southern people have no one to blame but themselves for the end of their traditions.  That's how it's always worked.  The winners write history.

If you people had collectively been more industrious, then you could be sitting around Manhattan, yammering about how the biscuits are so much better in Birmingham.  Alas, you have to hear me lament the lack of decent bagels while you wait on me at the Waffle House.


Sounds to me like you need to wipe your vagina.
 
2013-02-06 03:41:51 PM  

Dr Dreidel: You're from the South? Awesome - talk about biscuits and football and NASCAR and Texas oil and Florida/LA heat and have a silly accent and wear overalls and drink you some sweetea. DON'T, however, be proud of secession, civil war and slavery. "Southern Pride" can be easily reappropriated to mean a Junetime march with rainbow flags.


That would be fabu...no, you know, no, not going to do it.  It would be a good thing, just a good thing.
 
2013-02-06 03:42:41 PM  

GoldSpider: Spaced Cowboy: We're erasing your sad, century long devotion to honoring those dark spots as your "heritage."

It's not just "their" heritage, it's the country's.  Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable (and perhaps it should), but "making it go away" isn't the proper response to ugly chapters in our history.


Those chapters can be found in things called books. As for parks and street signs, times change. We got rid of the old iron street signs because they rusted and didn't show up at night. Coca-cola doesn't have cocaine in it anymore, either. You can read all about it in books.
 
2013-02-06 03:42:56 PM  
I say give them names like Martin Luther King JR Park, Malcom-X Park, and Rosa Parks Park.

But then I like pissing people off.
 
2013-02-06 03:43:25 PM  

GoldSpider: If it's "just a street sign", why expend so much effort and emotion to remove them?


Ah, I see your confusion. You can't distinguish between a trivial monument and historical facts. That's why when people who don't like a trivial monument to someone or something they don't respect replace it you think it's somehow able to erase all the history about the person that monument is dedicated to.

/hand-holding people through the simplest of thought processes...
 
2013-02-06 03:43:44 PM  

theflatline: I remember sitting in a bar in new orleans years ago when two guys from rhode island came in, and were telling us how backwards and racist the south was.   After a couple of drinks one says "your black people are a louder and more uppity bunch than ours."   Funny how fast that uppity "black" bartender went over the bar.  Then came back and apologized to us and bought us a round after he threw the enlightened yankees out.

When I lived in Philly people kept asking me if I was Puerto Rican.

When I lived in San Fran when I spoke spanish once a guy said to me "you are the whitest mexican I have ever seen."

However, my Colombian/Sicilian mix in south lousiana, was never questioned.  Except every now and then a northerner would ask me if I was a creole...


So instead of drawing conclusions on that individual for what they looked like, you drew them on where they were from. Almost like a prejudice. Odd.
 
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