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(Lafayette Advertiser)   The city of Memphis votes to rename three city parks that honored the Confederacy and its leaders, including one named after the founder of the KKK. Sadly, even in this day and age, some people have a problem with that   (theadvertiser.com) divider line 589
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2013-02-06 02:52:01 PM  

someonelse: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

Not the worst.

[freebeacon.com image 798x498]


ohyou.jpg

/hating rich people is a learned behavior
 
2013-02-06 02:52:02 PM  

Tom_Slick: Maybe now the city council can do something about the super-aggressive panhandling tat takes place on Beale St.  I should be able to sit at a bar without some guy asking me for money.


 if he was the bartender, that was a helluva route to get out of paying the tab.
"That'll be 14 dollars"
"GET A JOB, BUM"
 
2013-02-06 02:52:05 PM  

ongbok: drumfreek: I love how most everybody here uses the typical Southern stereotype. All southern whites are racist. For you guys, I have seen some dumb motherfarkers in my life, but you take the cake.

I haven't heard anybody say that ever except for people like you who claim that Liberals say that whenever somebody protest to some racist action done by a southern white.


Well shoot. I will switch from being a liberal to a conservative to match your stereotype. My bad!
 
2013-02-06 02:52:21 PM  

TheSnacky: Confederate Park was put there in 1964. You can guess what the city was going through at that time. Naming a park that was nothing more than a slap in the face to black Memphians.

Jefferson Davis Park was named in 1930. This nothing more than a tip of the hat to the Jim Crow ideology.


Seriously? In that case, they should NOT rename those parks. Instead, they should put up plaques at each one explaining just what a giant douchebag Memphis was being when they named them.
 
2013-02-06 02:52:22 PM  

Onkel Buck: karnal: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

What is interesting is that when the streets were originally named after MLK, they did not run right through the worse part of town.  Over time they became the worse.  Wonder why that is?

That is interesting considering the renaming of the streets was supposed to bring those communities together to make the neighborhood better. I wonder what happend as well.


I think the first point is suspect - MLK died in '68, how fast were streets named? How fast did neighborhoods change? In more than one city in NC, a major road was only renamed MLK for the sections through poor neighborhoods, rather than the whole city.
 
2013-02-06 02:52:45 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Joe Blowme: cynicalbastard: And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...

Will they be followed by the "Islam is a religion of peace" crowd?

/KKK & Islam = death cults

LOL WUT?!

/I won't go on to comparitive religion but of the 3 Abrahmic ones there is only one that diafies the death of its central figure.


I thought we were baggin on cults that promote killing those who are different and still believe in slavery.
 
2013-02-06 02:53:19 PM  
The cleansing of history continues as the intolerant continue to widen their scope of what is offensive.  Why not leave these parks named as is as a testament to ill conceived failures?  A tribute to our ability to persevere and triumph over adversity.  When we lose sight of where we've come from don't we also risk letting history repeat itself?
 
2013-02-06 02:53:35 PM  
Good luck, non-racist Memphisites.  I remember the kerfuffle over taking the confederate flag off the state house in South Carolina.  It cost the governor the re-election and at the end of the day, it was moved all the way from the top of the building to .... a statue on the front lawn.
 
2013-02-06 02:54:03 PM  

Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.


Yeah, that was the War of 1812.
 
2013-02-06 02:55:44 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HotWingConspiracy: Mid_mo_mad_man: Forrest did not start the KKK that existed in the 1950's. The klan he founded died out fairly quickly.

Well that hardly deserves a park naming.

Being a brilliant military commander does. Btw the federal armies did not defeat Lee. Northern manufacturing & the USA Navy did


Atlanta, The Gulf states, and General Sherman laugh at that observation.

/Well maybe not the former.
 
2013-02-06 02:55:47 PM  

Amos Quito: Glad to see that Revisionist History Derp is alive and well in in Memphis...


Seriously, what is with people trying to call renaming a street, "revising history"? That's unbelievably silly. I mean, I guess if you learned history from freaking street signs then that might justify making a statement that stupid, but still...
 
2013-02-06 02:55:50 PM  

farm machine: Why not leave these parks named as is as a testament to ill conceived failures? A tribute to our ability to persevere and triumph over adversity.


More suited for the name of a landfill or waste treatment plant.
 
2013-02-06 02:55:52 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: karnal: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

What is interesting is that when the streets were originally named after MLK, they did not run right through the worse part of town.  Over time they became the worse.  Wonder why that is?

Likely due to racists in local government.



Here are our local officials.....see if you can you spot the racists?

http://www.cityofmobile.org/govt.php
 
2013-02-06 02:55:56 PM  
The irrationality in this thread is really depressing.

Everyone comments as though they are the supreme overlord of Memphis, that they are the final word on history, that no other viewpoint than theirs is correct.

It is much better and wiser to let regions of this enormous country showcase what they want. If Memphis wants to make a memorial to Gen. Forrest, let them. If 200 years later they want to tear it down, let them. If pro-Confederate groups want to agitate against the changes, let them. Let them persuade the people of Memphis.

Yet people in here have this tyrant's attitude, which has become the new norm apparently, to just swallow the mainstream version of history uncritically and then try to barf it back in soundbites to validate whatever center-left political action is taken.

It's a good thing that regions of this country don't accept or fit into the mainstream of American society and history. It shows that we can tolerate disagreement. We can express our disagreements without loudly demanding absolutist positions and through the exertion of faux moral highground to validate our political desires.
 
2013-02-06 02:56:26 PM  

KenShabby: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

Yeah, that was the War of 1812.


Yes, he brings that up a lot. A whole lot. I expect him to post a pic of Canadian soldiers burning the White House any moment now.
 
2013-02-06 02:56:28 PM  

Karac: Good luck, non-racist Memphisites.  I remember the kerfuffle over taking the confederate flag off the state house in South Carolina.  It cost the governor the re-election and at the end of the day, it was moved all the way from the top of the building to .... a statue on the front lawn.


Don't forget the resemblance of the state flag of Georgia to the CSA flag (not the battle flag).


CSA flag:
upload.wikimedia.org
Georgia state flag:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-06 02:56:36 PM  
People just don't want anything to change.  Especially Southerners who always handle change the worst.  Over the last 50 years all of these Yankees moved down and took the jobs that Southerners couldn't do because Southerners wouldn't change.

If Southerners had changed and spent more time working on math rather than practicing football, then they might have prevented the Yankee influx that has supplanted their inferior culture and heritage.  These Southern people have no one to blame but themselves for the end of their traditions.  That's how it's always worked.  The winners write history.

If you people had collectively been more industrious, then you could be sitting around Manhattan, yammering about how the biscuits are so much better in Birmingham.  Alas, you have to hear me lament the lack of decent bagels while you wait on me at the Waffle House.
 
2013-02-06 02:56:55 PM  

max_pooper: The State of Texas officially observes (with state employees getting a paid day off) Confederate Heroes Day, Martin Luther King Day and Emancipation Day In Texas.


Are they the same day?

I can see Texas going in either direction with that, actually.
 
2013-02-06 02:57:00 PM  

RealityChuck: Nathan Bedford Forrest was an advocate for Civil Rights after the war.  Read the article.

Notably this speech to the organization that later became the NAACP:

Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

He then gave a black w ...


Yeah. Forrest was a Democratic politician, and involved in efforts after the war to try to attract black voters to the party. Once they had been disenfranchised, you didn't see a lot of former Confederates sucking up to groups of black people. They did all those things, got oppressed any way, and Forrest didn't get in the way of Jim Crow.
 
2013-02-06 02:57:05 PM  

Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.


So the 'merikun mission statement of that war was to "run away whilst screaming like girls & pissing your pants"?
 
2013-02-06 02:57:25 PM  

karnal: HotWingConspiracy: karnal: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

What is interesting is that when the streets were originally named after MLK, they did not run right through the worse part of town.  Over time they became the worse.  Wonder why that is?

Likely due to racists in local government.


Here are our local officials.....see if you can you spot the racists?

http://www.cityofmobile.org/govt.php


When was the street named?
 
2013-02-06 02:57:39 PM  
www4.pictures.zimbio.com
"Rename all the parks but make sure to take out all the basketball courts."
 
2013-02-06 02:57:43 PM  
why don't cities just name their parks properly so you know what you're in for. Prostitution Park, Methamphetamine Park, Panhandlers Park, Buttf*ck Park....I think you can get the idea.
 
2013-02-06 02:58:08 PM  

KenShabby: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

Yeah, that was the War of 1812.


angrymanspeaks.files.wordpress.com
All right. w'ell call it a draw.
 
2013-02-06 02:58:24 PM  

Farce-Side: CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...

So, the same thing the rest of the country has to be proud of then?  (Native Americans ring a bell?)


Benjamin Orr: CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...

You mean the Indians?


A good point for a different discussion.  It, however, doesn't address my original question, unless you're trying to say that subjugating Africans was OK by virtue of the fact that we'd already subjugated the Native Americans.
 
2013-02-06 02:59:02 PM  

Nabb1: KenShabby: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

Yeah, that was the War of 1812.

Yes, he brings that up a lot. A whole lot. I expect him to post a pic of Canadian soldiers burning the White House any moment now.


I see. I'll just move along now.
 
2013-02-06 02:59:12 PM  
"" Memphis votes ""

Democracy.  How does it work?
 
2013-02-06 02:59:37 PM  
Weren't there 3 black kids who were murdered by a sniper in Memphis back in the 70's? Name the parks after them
 
2013-02-06 02:59:57 PM  
I'm opposed to it also, simply because its part of our nations history.

We have schools and parks named after Malcolm X who was a hatred filled racist man, who in the end was shot something like 50 times by his own followers.

Get over it.
 
2013-02-06 03:00:05 PM  

Walker: Just in the local area of Virginia here we have Jefferson Davis Highway


Jeff Davis Highway here in Richmond is the white trash version of Martin Luther King Boulevard.  All the ugly hookers and meth you could want.
 
2013-02-06 03:00:27 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

You celebrate treason as heritage?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_of_july
 
2013-02-06 03:00:30 PM  

oldfarthenry: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

So the 'merikun mission statement of that war was to "run away whilst screaming like girls & pissing your pants"?


There's a spot not far from where I'm sitting where a few hundred men under Andrew Jackson turned a much larger force of the Crown's finest into alligator shiat.
 
2013-02-06 03:00:35 PM  

CheekyMonkey: A good point for a different discussion.  It, however, doesn't address my original question, unless you're trying to say that subjugating Africans was OK by virtue of the fact that we'd already subjugated the Native Americans.


It is a reaction (and a just one, I think) to the relatively naive comment that the South and Southerns have nothing to be proud of.

The rest of the country has farked up and acted like dicks in the past (Native Americans, Japanese Americans in WWII, etc), but they're proud of plenty (of other things).
 
2013-02-06 03:00:37 PM  

doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???


No, no. A history of armed rebellion in defense of slavery and violent repression of minorities is something that everyone should be proud of!
 
2013-02-06 03:00:46 PM  

quiet_american: The irrationality in this thread is really depressing.

Everyone comments as though they are the supreme overlord of Memphis, that they are the final word on history, that no other viewpoint than theirs is correct.

It is much better and wiser to let regions of this enormous country showcase what they want. If Memphis wants to make a memorial to Gen. Forrest, let them. If 200 years later they want to tear it down, let them. If pro-Confederate groups want to agitate against the changes, let them. Let them persuade the people of Memphis.

Yet people in here have this tyrant's attitude, which has become the new norm apparently, to just swallow the mainstream version of history uncritically and then try to barf it back in soundbites to validate whatever center-left political action is taken.

It's a good thing that regions of this country don't accept or fit into the mainstream of American society and history. It shows that we can tolerate disagreement. We can express our disagreements without loudly demanding absolutist positions and through the exertion of faux moral highground to validate our political desires.



Here....I got you something:

sportymom.me
 
2013-02-06 03:00:58 PM  

minoridiot: It's no worst then naming stuff after George Custer or Nathaniel Lyon.  Both did a fine job of handling injuns.


And Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.
 
2013-02-06 03:01:04 PM  

quiet_american: It is much better and wiser to let regions of this enormous country showcase what they want. If Memphis wants to make a memorial to Gen. Forrest, let them. If 200 years later they want to tear it down, let them. If pro-Confederate groups want to agitate against the changes, let them. Let them persuade the people of Memphis.


Why don't you just calm down and let people biatch and rant on fark? Seriously, pro-Confederate groups can agitate, but you can't tolerate people just talking on fark? Fascist freak....
 
2013-02-06 03:01:11 PM  

darth_badger: [www4.pictures.zimbio.com image 431x594]
"Rename all the parks but make sure to take out all the basketball courts."


Can I politely ask who/what the f**k is that?
 
2013-02-06 03:01:24 PM  

ph0rk: Karac: Good luck, non-racist Memphisites.  I remember the kerfuffle over taking the confederate flag off the state house in South Carolina.  It cost the governor the re-election and at the end of the day, it was moved all the way from the top of the building to .... a statue on the front lawn.

Don't forget the resemblance of the state flag of Georgia to the CSA flag (not the battle flag).


CSA flag:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x278]
Georgia state flag:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x313]


So you'd rather we switch back to the old one?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-06 03:02:08 PM  

Rapmaster2000: People just don't want anything to change.  Especially Southerners who always handle change the worst.  Over the last 50 years all of these Yankees moved down and took the jobs that Southerners couldn't do because Southerners wouldn't change.

If Southerners had changed and spent more time working on math rather than practicing football, then they might have prevented the Yankee influx that has supplanted their inferior culture and heritage.  These Southern people have no one to blame but themselves for the end of their traditions.  That's how it's always worked.  The winners write history.

If you people had collectively been more industrious, then you could be sitting around Manhattan, yammering about how the biscuits are so much better in Birmingham.  Alas, you have to hear me lament the lack of decent bagels while you wait on me at the Waffle House.


Not a bad troll, but no one honestly believes a bagel is superior to a biscuit.
 
2013-02-06 03:02:13 PM  

oldfarthenry: Lost Thought 00: Its not like Germany took down all the Hitler statues and decided to stop flying the Nazi flag over their capital.

Well, the VW Beetle was quite a popular car for years despite getting two thumbs up from the uniballed little prick.


Not just "getting two thumbs up" but rather "commissioned by".  The Beetle was a direct result of Hitler requesting, and getting, a low-cost, simple and reliable automobile.  It's popularity had to do with it's high value-to-cost ratio.  Ferdinand Porsche was somewhat of an automotive genius.
 
2013-02-06 03:02:27 PM  

oldfarthenry: darth_badger: [www4.pictures.zimbio.com image 431x594]
"Rename all the parks but make sure to take out all the basketball courts."

Can I politely ask who/what the f**k is that?


A person dressed up like Uncle Ruckus:

i317.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 03:02:35 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: ph0rk: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

fark you, carpetbagger.

More bourbon, barbecue, and hush puppies for me us.

Over 90% of bourbon is from Kentucky which was a union state. And don't include Jack Daniels as it is not a bourbon. It could be called a bourbon but the manufacturers don't want to call it bourbon as it has a distinct flavor from bourbon.


It is a long-standing joke that Kentucky was the only state to join the Confederacy AFTER the Civil War. While the Confederate Senators of other Southern states were shunned and sometimes prosecuted, in Kentucky they were made judges and elected to statewide political offices. Until around 1900, it was very difficult to be appointed to the bench or elected to any political office without having had Confederate sympathies.

But you are 100% correct about the bourbon. That swill they make in Tessessee just doesn't deserve the name.
 
2013-02-06 03:02:37 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Being a brilliant military commander does. Btw the federal armies did not defeat Lee. Northern manufacturing & the USA Navy did


Lee did a bang up job of defeating himself, too. Especially not listening to Longstreet's advice with regard to Gettysburg (instead of fighting them there, get between the union army and DC). A LOT of generals in that war used Napoleonic Tactics (An entrenched position can be taken by simply throwing enough people at it) without taking the enhanced firearms of the age into account.
 
2013-02-06 03:03:00 PM  

Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Nabb1: oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk

You could, but you'd be wrong.

So the 'merikun mission statement of that war was to "run away whilst screaming like girls & pissing your pants"?

There's a spot not far from where I'm sitting where a few hundred men under Andrew Jackson turned a much larger force of the Crown's finest into alligator shiat.


And there's a whole country I'm sittin' in that you blowhards failed to conquer - on three attempts, I might add.
 
2013-02-06 03:03:04 PM  
oldfarthenry:
Can I politely ask who/what the f**k is that?

Uncle Ruckus.


no relation
 
2013-02-06 03:03:06 PM  

Farce-Side: ph0rk: Karac: Good luck, non-racist Memphisites.  I remember the kerfuffle over taking the confederate flag off the state house in South Carolina.  It cost the governor the re-election and at the end of the day, it was moved all the way from the top of the building to .... a statue on the front lawn.

Don't forget the resemblance of the state flag of Georgia to the CSA flag (not the battle flag).


CSA flag:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x278]
Georgia state flag:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x313]

So you'd rather we switch back to the old one?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 276x183]


Heh, no, but I wish more people would have farking noticed what it was changed to.
 
2013-02-06 03:03:07 PM  

farm machine: The cleansing of history continues as the intolerant continue to widen their scope of what is offensive.  Why not leave these parks named as is as a testament to ill conceived failures?  A tribute to our ability to persevere and triumph over adversity.  When we lose sight of where we've come from don't we also risk letting history repeat itself?


Yes how dare we not tolerate slavery, racism and treason. Those things shouldn't be considered in any way offensive. We must continue to honor those associated with those noble causes.
 
2013-02-06 03:03:35 PM  

farm machine: The cleansing of history continues as the intolerant continue to widen their scope of what is offensive.  Why not leave these parks named as is as a testament to ill conceived failures?  A tribute to our ability to persevere and triumph over adversity.  When we lose sight of where we've come from don't we also risk letting history repeat itself?


Of course, Memphis could do what most civilized communities do, and put up a nice little informative sign explaining the history of the park, and why it was renamed. Then when the Honey BooBoo clans go there for their annual "eat cheez puffs and be sedentary outside" outing, they can read the first three words of it before getting bored/winded/distracted by a shiny thing.
 
2013-02-06 03:03:40 PM  

Marisyana: Walker: Just in the local area of Virginia here we have Jefferson Davis Highway

Jeff Davis Highway here in Richmond is the white trash version of Martin Luther King Boulevard.  All the ugly hookers and meth you could want.


What makes that even funnier is that the Pentagon is visible from the Jeff Davis. (I work here - not the Pentagon; about a mile south.)

// maybe that's what it turns into after dark, or once you get to Old Town
// during the day it's hot hookers and pot
// ...um, so I hear
 
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