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(Lafayette Advertiser)   The city of Memphis votes to rename three city parks that honored the Confederacy and its leaders, including one named after the founder of the KKK. Sadly, even in this day and age, some people have a problem with that   (theadvertiser.com) divider line 589
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2013-02-06 02:36:19 PM  
It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods
 
2013-02-06 02:36:38 PM  
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2013-02-06 02:36:40 PM  
I love how most everybody here uses the typical Southern stereotype. All southern whites are racist. For you guys, I have seen some dumb motherfarkers in my life, but you take the cake.
 
2013-02-06 02:36:53 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Brick-House: oh wait...

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Oh, come on, you disingenuous farkhead, finish his life in quotes:

I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened.

That's from 2005. So by all means - continue slandering a man who has offered endless apology for the sins of his youth. Just like Jesus would want.

// also, he's been dead for 2.5 years already, and there are plenty of living racists in Congress, if your ire is that up about it
// or, regale us with your best Ted Kennedy jokes; and you probably have a good zinger about Inouye, too


He was active with and expressed strong belief in the mission of the KKK until he was at least 31 years old.  That reaaaaaallly pushing it on "youthful indiscretion."
 
2013-02-06 02:37:07 PM  

Joe Blowme: cynicalbastard: And soon, we will have the "And the War between the States had nothin' to do with Slavery, it was all about State's Rights and Import taxes!" crowd...

Will they be followed by the "Islam is a religion of peace" crowd?

/KKK & Islam = death cults


LOL WUT?!

/I won't go on to comparitive religion but of the 3 Abrahmic ones there is only one that diafies the death of its central figure.
 
2013-02-06 02:37:09 PM  

ph0rk: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

fark you, carpetbagger.

More bourbon, barbecue, and hush puppies for me us.


Over 90% of bourbon is from Kentucky which was a union state. And don't include Jack Daniels as it is not a bourbon. It could be called a bourbon but the manufacturers don't want to call it bourbon as it has a distinct flavor from bourbon.
 
2013-02-06 02:37:39 PM  

Private_Citizen: I grew up in Memphis, and here's the thing - Memphis is a nearly 70% black city, stuck deep in a racist Red state bordered by an even more racist Red state. The state often passes laws with the express purpose of messing with Memphis. So, when the state proposed a ban on renaming parks named after Veterans - Memphis rushed to rename the parks in their borders that glorify the rebelious (and many say, racist) past of that city.

You really want to get into some racism, look at the reverse takeover of the Shelby county schools by Memphis. And yes, that was also started by State level action.


FTFY

Memphis and Mississippi are just awful.

I wouldn't have to go though there if there was a faster way to NOLA from St. Louis by car.
 
2013-02-06 02:38:12 PM  

max_pooper: The State of Texas officially observes (with state employees getting a paid day off) Confederate Heroes Day, Martin Luther King Day and Emancipation Day In Texas.


Other fun fact - Confederate Heroes Day and Martin Luther King Day are during the same week and sometimes on the same day!  But don't tell a Texas there is anything ironic about this schedule or you WILL get an angry States' Rights speech
 
2013-02-06 02:38:17 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: If at first you don't succeed. ..

 
2013-02-06 02:38:46 PM  
I suggest that they rename all three parks Rosa.

I considered the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Parks but the signs would be so long that they'd bankrupt the city.
 
2013-02-06 02:38:48 PM  

CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...


I'm glad someone is thinking of the Native Americans.
 
2013-02-06 02:39:04 PM  

drumfreek: I love how most everybody here uses the typical Southern stereotype. All southern whites are racist. For you guys, I have seen some dumb motherfarkers in my life, but you take the cake.


Not all white southerners are racists, just the dumbasses who use the Confederate flag to symbolize their "Southern Pride".

Couldn't you guys use something else that doesn't make you guys look like a bunch of sore losers?
 
2013-02-06 02:39:08 PM  

Mija: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

No you don't understand. You cannot rewrite history and the men who served did so honorably. They were Americans and you don't have to agree with their cause to honor them for doing what they saw as their duty. I just love how Northerners pretend they didn't buy and sell slaves or that every southerner was a slave owner. Ignorant tool.

I grew up in the South. I am white and lived in a black neighborhood. I saw a lot of parents tell their kids to call me names and fight me because I was a white child. I never saw a white, southern person doing that. So you keep on making up that alternate reality you think the south is today.


Wow! You must have gotten beat up a lot!  I mean, its no small feat to have your eyes and ears completely swollen shut for your entire life.
 
2013-02-06 02:39:20 PM  

drumfreek: I love how most everybody here uses the typical Southern stereotype. All southern whites are racist. For you guys, I have seen some dumb motherfarkers in my life, but you take the cake.


Nonsense. You forgot that southerners are fat too, so they are clearly the ones that have absconded with the cake.
 
2013-02-06 02:39:29 PM  
Nathan Bedford Forrest was an advocate for Civil Rights after the war.  Read the article.

Notably this speech to the organization that later became the NAACP:

Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

He then gave a black woman a kiss on the cheek, which was scandalous back then.

Bedford Forrest's name was used in the establishment of the Klan, but there's no indication he took part, and it's unclear as to whether he gave consent to use his name.  So the historical record indicates he was far less racist than most whites of his time.
 
2013-02-06 02:39:31 PM  

zetar: The Fort Pillow massacre.

Yeah, N. B. Forrest; heck of a guy.

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No, that was taken out of context. There was a spider on that lady's turban, and he was just trying to stick it.  If you don't believe, me just ask the survivors of Fort Pillow, they'll back me up.
 
2013-02-06 02:39:50 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: ph0rk: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

fark you, carpetbagger.

More bourbon, barbecue, and hush puppies for me us.

Over 90% of bourbon is from Kentucky which was a union state. And don't include Jack Daniels as it is not a bourbon. It could be called a bourbon but the manufacturers don't want to call it bourbon as it has a distinct flavor from bourbon.


He said, and I quote: "Friggin' South"

I don't give two shiats which states were Union and which weren't, they're all Union states now.

Kentucky gets painted with the same broad brush the rest of the South does.

/Also, Jack Daniel's sucks smoky balls.
//George Dickel used to be ok
///Charcoal filtering != bourbon.
 
2013-02-06 02:40:28 PM  

Pochas: Why do people in the south love general Lee so much?  He LOST THE WAR!  He failed at the only thing he was supposed to do!

The ultimate "you had one job" joke.


My company had a BOD meeting on MLK Day.  The President and CEO lead the board in singing Happy Birthday to Robert E Lee.
 
2013-02-06 02:40:52 PM  

drumfreek: I love how most everybody here uses the typical Southern stereotype. All southern whites are racist. For you guys, I have seen some dumb motherfarkers in my life, but you take the cake.


I haven't heard anybody say that ever except for people like you who claim that Liberals say that whenever somebody protest to some racist action done by a southern white.
 
2013-02-06 02:40:55 PM  
The Confederate States of America was the stupidest idea any American ever had. Why we Southerners want to celebrate it, I have never been able to figure out. Perpetrators of a rich man's war and a poor man's fight to preserve slavery, led by a bunch of incompetent fools (read up on Alexander Stephens, the Confederate vice president, some time).

I'm OK with Confederate military cemeteries, but Jefferson Davis shouldn't have anything but an outhouse named after him. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great military commander, but the Fort Pillow massacre and helping to found the Ku Klux kind of take the shine off that.

Oh, and those parks were named in the '30s, when Southern politicians were really concerned about the uppityness of all their quasi-slave labor moving north to get real jobs.
 
2013-02-06 02:41:03 PM  

ph0rk: ///Charcoal filtering != bourbon.


That does not preclude it from being called bourbon.
 
2013-02-06 02:41:54 PM  

ArtosRC: doczoidberg: Friggin' South. You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

Precisely. The traitors need to be kicked in the pants.



You're 140 years too late.
 
2013-02-06 02:42:00 PM  

Tom_Slick: Maybe now the city council can do something about the super-aggressive panhandling tat takes place on Beale St.  I should be able to sit at a bar without some guy asking me for money.


One day a real rain will come and wash the streets clean.

Seriously, bums everywhere. It's how I learned not to acknowledge other human beings lest you be give a half hour story that ends with, "so can you give me some money?"
 
2013-02-06 02:42:39 PM  

doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???


Wow! Did you know the first successful heart transplant happened in the south? Did you know a ton of your food comes from the south? Did you know the natural beauty of the south brings in billions of tourist dollars? You are a troll and I just fed you, I hope you are happy.

Those people fought for what that state believed in.  Agree or disagree, I respect that. So many have forgotten that slavery was only a part of the civil war. We were a country that only a generation or two before had fought to be free from an oppressive government. Many were just pissed off that the new government, not as old as their fathers and grandfathers, was already telling them what to do. Many of the wealthy and influential feared their livelihood would be destroyed. Perspective helps. Any person denying slavery was a big part of the Civil War is an idiot. Any one who says it was the only factor is just as big of an idiot. The south believed they were being oppressed and fought to end that perceived oppression. The only difference in the south and the Revolutionary Colonials (who were slave owners) is that the Colonials won. Had they lost we would all be talking about what murderous and treasonous asses we all were as we toasted long live the queen.
 
2013-02-06 02:43:01 PM  

stampylives: He was active with and expressed strong belief in the mission of the KKK until he was at least 31 years old. That reaaaaaallly pushing it on "youthful indiscretion."


In 2005, when he offered that apology, he was 88 - "the sins of his [relative] youth".

// 57 years is a long damned time - some might say "a lifetime"
 
2013-02-06 02:43:39 PM  

Mija: doczoidberg: Friggin' South.

You bastards have nothing to be proud of. Understand???

No you don't understand. You cannot rewrite history and the men who served did so honorably. They were Americans and you don't have to agree with their cause to honor them for doing what they saw as their duty. I just love how Northerners pretend they didn't buy and sell slaves or that every southerner was a slave owner. Ignorant tool.

I grew up in the South. I am white and lived in a black neighborhood. I saw a lot of parents tell their kids to call me names and fight me because I was a white child. I never saw a white, southern person doing that. So you keep on making up that alternate reality you think the south is today.



Hail slavery, the New England dream!
Mr. Adams, I give you a toast:
Hail Boston! Hail Charleston!
Who stinketh the most?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUi1xtUQkBI
 
2013-02-06 02:43:48 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Hey, has Brick-House been in this thread yet to remind us that Democrat Robert Byrd remained a proud racist and Klansman all the way to the end of his life?


Yes. Brick-House wants us to know that Sen. Byrd never once renounced the Klan or racism. I see no reason not to take him at his word, based on his posting history.
 
2013-02-06 02:43:56 PM  
If I read that right, the council knows people are pissed off about who the park was named after, so the hastily past a resolution making illegal to change the name of a park named for a historical figure.

Way to be classy, guys.  No need to listed to the people who HIRED YOU!
 
2013-02-06 02:44:00 PM  

CheekyMonkey: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

Remind me again what they have to be proud of?  I mean, aside for the systematic subjugation, oppression and dehumanization of a group of people with darker skin, of course...


You mean the Indians?
 
2013-02-06 02:44:06 PM  
Glad to see that Revisionist History Derp is alive and well in in Memphis...

... and this thread.
 
2013-02-06 02:44:31 PM  

Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods


What is interesting is that when the streets were originally named after MLK, they did not run right through the worse part of town.  Over time they became the worse.  Wonder why that is?
 
2013-02-06 02:44:43 PM  

scout48: Did you know the first successful heart transplant happened in the south?


Maybe they should name a park for the doctor that performed it instead of a racist loser.
 
2013-02-06 02:46:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Glad to see that Revisionist History Derp is alive and well in in Memphis...

... and this thread.


What is the revision exactly? Seems to me it's getting renamed based on a sober look at known history.
 
2013-02-06 02:46:33 PM  

MCStymie: So...what would the crime rate look like on Nathan Bedford Forrest Avenue?


ok this made me smile.

we need a new country east and left coast sates then the flyover states
 
2013-02-06 02:47:01 PM  

Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods


Not the worst.

freebeacon.com
 
2013-02-06 02:47:39 PM  

karnal: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

What is interesting is that when the streets were originally named after MLK, they did not run right through the worse part of town.  Over time they became the worse.  Wonder why that is?


Likely due to racists in local government.
 
2013-02-06 02:47:47 PM  

ongbok: dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners.  That seems fair, right?

I'm sure their are other people for them to honor besides the founder of the Klan.


Alex Chilton Park has a nice ring to it.
 
2013-02-06 02:47:51 PM  
Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk
 
2013-02-06 02:48:02 PM  
Kentucky was a border state.  These were states that had Southern sympathies, but were in no position to fight with Illinois.

I would hope that our little misadventure in Indochine would have disabused us of our belief in our inherent moral superiority.  I will keep hoping. . .
 
2013-02-06 02:48:11 PM  
Its not like Germany took down all the Hitler statues and decided to stop flying the Nazi flag over their capital.
 
2013-02-06 02:48:55 PM  
t.qkme.me

R.I.P.
 
2013-02-06 02:48:58 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Will someone please tell me what the positive legacies of Nathan Bedford Forrest were? What exactly is being honored? His profound ignorance? His slaughter of surrendered troops. His slave trading? His terrorism? What is the "legacy " that deserves anything beyond derision?


His Cameo in Forrest Gump?
 
2013-02-06 02:49:35 PM  
Just in the local area of Virginia here we have Jefferson Davis Highway and Lee Highway (named after General Lee). Are we supposed to change those? There's also Jeb Stuart High School and other schools named after Confederates. A major tourist attraction in Mississippi is the home of Jefferson Davis. Should they bulldoze it? Stop trying to erase the past. Political correctness run amok.
 
2013-02-06 02:50:09 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Its not like Germany took down all the Hitler statues and decided to stop flying the Nazi flag over their capital.


Well, the VW Beetle was quite a popular car for years despite getting two thumbs up from the uniballed little prick.
 
2013-02-06 02:50:30 PM  

karnal: Onkel Buck: It's more offensive that all the streets named after MLK usually run right through the worst crime infested neighborhoods

What is interesting is that when the streets were originally named after MLK, they did not run right through the worse part of town.  Over time they became the worse.  Wonder why that is?


That is interesting considering the renaming of the streets was supposed to bring those communities together to make the neighborhood better. I wonder what happend as well.
 
2013-02-06 02:50:34 PM  

oldfarthenry: Ya know - I "could" point out that the star-spangled banner was a poem about a war you guys LOST!

/tries to deflect heat off them-there southern folk


You could, but you'd be wrong.
 
2013-02-06 02:50:49 PM  
Instead of renaming the parks, why not erect one of those historical marker plaques educating visitors on what shiatheads these guys were?
 
2013-02-06 02:51:11 PM  
It's no worst then naming stuff after George Custer or Nathaniel Lyon.  Both did a fine job of handling injuns.
 
2013-02-06 02:51:22 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Okay. I'll bite. How many of them have parks named after the founder of the KKK?

dukwbutter: That's right. Everyone can be proud of their heritage. Except for Southerners. That seems fair, right?

See above, farkwit.



You may want to check the history of the Klan in Indiana starting in the 1910s. And you might want to check out the United Northern and Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan    They're based out of Michigan.

You are aware that when the US started, there were slaves all over the country, right?
 
2013-02-06 02:51:57 PM  

RealityChuck: Nathan Bedford Forrest was an advocate for Civil Rights after the war.  Read the article.

Notably this speech to the organization that later became the NAACP:

Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

He then gave a black w ...


Wow. Did not know that.
 
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