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2013-02-06 10:36:34 AM
Cover charges just went up.

/wonder if they should drug test the strippers.......
 
2013-02-06 10:57:40 AM
There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.
 
2013-02-06 11:10:14 AM
"The court relied almost entirely on the fact that we had some house rules which were requested by the dancers. They were designed to keep everything legal," Merriam said.

Well, how dare those strippers help assure the legality of your business!
 
2013-02-06 11:15:46 AM

Sybarite: There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.


If I recall South Carolina isn't real big on workers rights.
 
2013-02-06 11:29:34 AM
This country I swear!  Now they are paying strippers to keep their cloths on.
 
2013-02-06 11:37:31 AM
Also note that to qualify for unemployment the termination has to be involuntary -meaning fired.

So somewhere, someone fired a stripper.

(Although on the other hand if she quit because she was sexually harassed at work -she may also qualify)
 
2013-02-06 11:47:16 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Also note that to qualify for unemployment the termination has to be involuntary -meaning fired.

So somewhere, someone fired a stripper.

(Although on the other hand if she quit because she was sexually harassed at work -she may also qualify)


Or laid off.

Heh, stripper lay offs.
 
2013-02-06 12:04:50 PM
Kansas (as surprising as it sounds) has some damn good looking strippers! Missouri? Well now thats another story...
 
2013-02-06 12:08:19 PM

Revek: This country I swear!  Now they are paying strippers to keep their cloths on.


Kind of like some weird offshoot of farming subsidies
 
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2013-02-06 12:08:31 PM

Sybarite: There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.


It almost seem as though there are fifty or so of these patches.
 
2013-02-06 12:15:24 PM

Sapper_Topo: Kansas (as surprising as it sounds) has some damn good looking strippers! Missouri? Well now thats another story...


About 2 years ago Missouri passed some really strict laws about "adult" businesses. So all the good strippers(at least in the KC area) moved to the Kansas side.
 
2013-02-06 12:20:36 PM
As employees, are they now subject to income tax?  (As opposed to independent contractors, which I thought would be exempt under their new tax system).
 
2013-02-06 12:21:07 PM
How long to the point of no neturn?
 
2013-02-06 12:22:47 PM
 

Revek: This country I swear! Now they are paying strippers to keep their cloths on.


Cuts down on the amount of eyebleach contaminating the water supply. They could raise standards by hiring subby's mom.
 
2013-02-06 12:27:05 PM
The Kansas Supreme Court ruled that exotic dancers at a strip club have the right to collect unemployment insurance as employees and not independent contractors.

Yeah, I still haven't decided what is the bigger scam; the whole "independent contractor" thing, or the whole "unpaid internship" thing. They use the independent contractor thing as an excuse not to pay benefits, or to skirt labor laws:

I worked for a crappy little independent TV station in the mid-90s, and pay was a joke. Not only that, paychecks would regularly bounce, or just plain be delayed. The law in Az states that you have to be paid twice a month, and not more than 14 days apart, unless specified in your contract. The TV station maintained the fiction that we were all "independent contractors", and therefore they could pay us whenever the fark they pleased. Of course, they didn't cover any of this when we were hired, and we filled out no extra paperwork, except for the 1099 form. This excuse didn't wash with the officials, either, and people started getting their paychecks on time and with money to back them up.

The internship thing is just bullshiat, since the poor people who do the internship work for free, more hours than paid employees, and don't actually do the work they are doing the internship for, except for a minuscule percentage of the time. It's a way to get a free gopher/grunt work specialist.

I've also seen people abuse the whole "commission" concept: Cashiers at Fry's Electronics are paid commission wages based on what they ring through their register in a shift. They have no control over who comes to their register, or what they buy, the system is totally arbitrary, yet that way Fry's gets to pay them absolute shiat and get away with it.
 
2013-02-06 12:28:06 PM
What's wrong with Kansas? Dust in the wind; that's what's wrong with it.
 
2013-02-06 12:29:23 PM
I think subby is referencing the book, which states they are in fact liberal in areas such as this but staunchly red due to abortion.  So this actually is logical and sensible for the populace.

Anyways, carry on.
 
2013-02-06 12:29:53 PM

Sybarite: There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.


In Oklahoma workers comp is for injuries arising during the normal performance of your duties. If the stripper was selling HJ's (illegally) and some john got pissed and shot her, that would not qualify for workers comp. If the stripper was dancing on the stage and some guy tried to shoot someone else and hit her by accident, that would qualify.
 
2013-02-06 12:33:35 PM

Millennium: What's wrong with Kansas? Dust in the wind; that's what's wrong with it.


Carry on my wayward son...

As someone who dated a stripper, I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-02-06 12:43:24 PM
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/obligatory
 
2013-02-06 12:43:48 PM

mitchcumstein1: Sybarite: There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.

If I recall South Carolina isn't real big on workers rights.


if i recall, taking shots is part of a stripper's job
 
2013-02-06 12:44:24 PM

Voiceofreason01: Sapper_Topo: Kansas (as surprising as it sounds) has some damn good looking strippers! Missouri? Well now thats another story...

About 2 years ago Missouri passed some really strict laws about "adult" businesses. So all the good strippers(at least in the KC area) moved to the Kansas side.


It appears I'm not the only Farker to have visited Bonita Flats.
 
2013-02-06 12:47:42 PM
WTF?  That's like being an unemployed whore.  If you can't get laid, I'm not going to subsidize your lack of income.  I'd go broke just paying farkers if this policy were wide held.
 
2013-02-06 12:51:19 PM
Good.

Employers like the idea of having employees be "independent contractors," but define that themselves in ways that actual independent contractors would not tolerate.

I mean, it's Kansas, so it's not like it's all that great, but still ...
 
2013-02-06 12:53:58 PM

Lurk sober post drunk: mitchcumstein1: Sybarite: There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.

If I recall South Carolina isn't real big on workers rights.

if i recall, taking shots is part of a stripper's job


Depends in the strips joint, I'd guess.
 
2013-02-06 12:58:46 PM
Does the employer have to pay unemployment insurance for them?  Then they are enittled to unemployment.  The biggest misunderstanding about unemployment compensation is that it is some sort of government handout.  It isn't, it's an insurance prgrams whose premiums you adn your employer pay for while you're working
 
2013-02-06 01:05:02 PM
Carry on my wayward slut!
 
2013-02-06 01:05:36 PM

theurge14: Voiceofreason01: Sapper_Topo: Kansas (as surprising as it sounds) has some damn good looking strippers! Missouri? Well now thats another story...

About 2 years ago Missouri passed some really strict laws about "adult" businesses. So all the good strippers(at least in the KC area) moved to the Kansas side.

It appears I'm not the only Farker to have visited Bonita Flats.


I haven't been there in quite a while.  I guess the talent would have gone up with MO messing up their laws.  Last time was quite terrible. But in the stripper world, I guess anything over 5 years is a lifetime.

\never go to Whispers
 
2013-02-06 01:05:50 PM

Magorn: Does the employer have to pay unemployment insurance for them?  Then they are enittled to unemployment.  The biggest misunderstanding about unemployment compensation is that it is some sort of government handout.  It isn't, it's an insurance prgrams whose premiums you adn your employer pay for while you're working


I read that first typo as entittled. Don't judge my boner.
 
2013-02-06 01:10:06 PM
theurge14:
It appears I'm not the only Farker to have visited Bonita Flats.

It's called "Dodgers Bar and Grill" now....I'm mean, not that I'd ever go to a place like that.....
 
2013-02-06 01:12:04 PM

thecpt: I think subby is referencing the book, which states they are in fact liberal in areas such as this but staunchly red due to abortion. So this actually is logical and sensible for the populace.


No, this is a decision from the KS Supreme Court.  They have they're heads on right, which is why the Governor wants to change the way they're selected so he could do it and get rid of them damn libby legislatin'-from-the-bench supremes
 
2013-02-06 01:17:55 PM
He just waltzes in there, and becomes the king of the carts. What the fark does he think I'm supposed to do? Go down to E.I. Hey there, yeah, I haul shopping carts out of ponds and sell them back to the store for a living, I've been doing it for eighteen years, so give me a farking check please. That's not gonna farking happen. I haven't been paying into U.I., E.I. or whatever the fark they're calling it these days.
 
2013-02-06 01:18:38 PM

NightOwl2255: Sybarite: There seems to be weird patchwork of laws regarding strippers. For example in Indiana a few years back a stripper injured herself dancing and was rewarded worker's comp, but then just last year South Carolina denied comp to a stripper who was shot while dancing.

In Oklahoma workers comp is for injuries arising during the normal performance of your duties. If the stripper was selling HJ's (illegally) and some john got pissed and shot her, that would not qualify for workers comp. If the stripper was dancing on the stage and some guy tried to shoot someone else and hit her by accident, that would qualify.



Yeah, it was the latter.

"An exotic dancer who was shot when a fight broke out in a Two Notch Road strip club in 2008 has been denied Worker's Compensation benefits by the South Carolina Court of Appeals.

LeAndra Lewis was hit by stray gunfire while dancing at the Boom Boom Room Studio 54 on June 23, 2008. She was 19 and living in Charlotte at the time.

She suffered serious injuries to her intestines, liver, pancreas, kidney, and uterus. Surgeons removed one kidney, and doctors informed her she may never be able to have children due to the injuries to her uterus.

According to her testimony, extensive scarring from the gunshot wound left her unemployable as an exotic dancer.

Lewis, who frequently danced at clubs in North and South Carolina, filed a claim for benefits with the workers' compensation commission. Because the club had no insurance, the South Carolina Uninsured Employers' Fund was forced to defend.

During testimony, Lewis said she typically made $250-$350 per night and she danced 5-6 nights a week. A court filing estimated her total yearly income to be approximately $82,500.

Both the single commissioner and the appellate panel denied Lewis's claim based on the finding that she was not an employee of the club."
 
2013-02-06 01:25:05 PM
trappedspirit:

WTF?  That's like being an unemployed whore.  If you can't get laid, I'm not going to subsidize your lack of income.  I'd go broke just paying farkers if this policy were wide held.

Many if not most strippers don't have actual sex for money. And even a self-claimed prostitute who is employed by a brothel is an employee.

And many Farkers are still innocent virgins to whom your enlightened critique won't apply.
 
2013-02-06 01:33:26 PM
So, Kansas Supreme Court, if I want to avoid paying unemployment. I have to allow the dancers free rein so that they can maximize their earning potential. It may get messy around the main stage.

(My GED in Law)
 
2013-02-06 01:43:36 PM

theurge14: Voiceofreason01: Sapper_Topo: Kansas (as surprising as it sounds) has some damn good looking strippers! Missouri? Well now thats another story...

About 2 years ago Missouri passed some really strict laws about "adult" businesses. So all the good strippers(at least in the KC area) moved to the Kansas side.

It appears I'm not the only Farker to have visited Bonita Flats.



Been there many 'o times (lived in Gardner).  $10 membership and $2 drinks made up for the trollops that work there.
 
2013-02-06 01:46:18 PM
 I guess strippers will qualify for free birth control under Obamacare.  That oughta "loosen up the slots," so to speak.
 
2013-02-06 01:46:55 PM
Stripper thread without pictures is not a stripper thread.
EIP. I'm just sayin'.
 
2013-02-06 01:49:39 PM

Sybarite: Both the single commissioner and the appellate panel denied Lewis's claim based on the finding that she was not an employee of the club."


The old contract worker ploy. A stripper getting screwed. Who would have thought.
 
2013-02-06 01:49:42 PM
Here's what I don't understand: Who pays for this dancer's unemployment? Unemployment is NOT (as has been pointed out above) a government handout. It's an insurance policy payout. If the club had no Unemployment Insurance, and wasn't paying an Unemployment Insurance premium, then does the club have to pay her Unemployment Benefits out of pocket?
 
2013-02-06 01:55:21 PM

HairyTwatter: Stripper thread without pictures is not a stripper thread.


What strippers might look like:

www.thelmagazine.com
 
2013-02-06 01:55:52 PM
Warning: pictures of strippers to follow


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www.homedepot.com
 
2013-02-06 01:56:43 PM
hmm... some Judge just got himself free lap dances for life....

/brilliant
 
2013-02-06 02:01:58 PM
Mikey1969:
The internship thing is just bullshiat, since the poor people who do the internship work for free, more hours than paid employees, and don't actually do the work they are doing the internship for, except for a minuscule percentage of the time. It's a way to get a free gopher/grunt work specialist.

I always suspected internships were a way to give a nepotistic "in" to well-heeled boss' offspring etc. without it technically being cronyism.  Basically if a young worker can afford to work for free, they are probably trust-funded etc. and won't see much competition for the job from more-qualified peers who actually need a paycheck.  After a "satisfactory" internship, post a well-tailored job ad and just give them the job.

As for stripping... it's a job.  Don't want them to be exploited?  Keep it all above-board including taxes and UI etc.
 
2013-02-06 02:03:57 PM

Nuclear Monk: osed to independent contractors, which I thought would be exempt under their new tax system).


Unless something has wildly changed in the past year, independent contractors still pay a *considerable* amount of tax, and for their own healthcare, benefits, retirement, etc.

Labeling you "independent contractor" is just a way for a company to screw you out of stable employment and deny you the same rights given to normal employees.

That being said, if you are single, young and healthy (and lucky), you can make a crap load of money as an independent contractor in the right field with the right skill set.
 
2013-02-06 02:06:45 PM
As a workers comp attorney, I'm getting a kick . . .

MY CSB - in Texas you are not entitled to receive workers compensation is your injury resulted from "personal animosity," that is, if a person had a grudge against you for reason totally separate from work (ie. you are boning his wife; you're a Hatfield, he's a McCoy; your married and getting divorced; et c and you get shot, or punched or even killed due to an altercation over the personal issue you would not fall under workers comp).

So we have a situation where two guys get into a fight at work because they hate each other; one of them is a raging racist who has a problem with the other guy being black around him, and throws a punch.  So the black guy gets hurt and filed for workers comp.  The white guy swears he never hit him.

Well under the personal animosity doctrine, black guy should not get comp and white guy should get fired (white guy should get fired anyway).  When these fellas realize that they are both gonna get screwed if they stick to their initial stories, BOTH of them change their stories to "there was a misunderstanding over an assignment."

There was no way for the employer to prove they were both lying.

/See, we can all just get along.
 
2013-02-06 02:24:51 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Here's what I don't understand: Who pays for this dancer's unemployment? Unemployment is NOT (as has been pointed out above) a government handout. It's an insurance policy payout. If the club had no Unemployment Insurance, and wasn't paying an Unemployment Insurance premium, then does the club have to pay her Unemployment Benefits out of pocket?


This would vary from state to state but, typically, the worker would be paid from the state's unemployment insurance fund and then the state would seek to collect the back taxes from the employer.
 
2013-02-06 02:26:53 PM

Magorn: Does the employer have to pay unemployment insurance for them?  Then they are enittled to unemployment.  The biggest misunderstanding about unemployment compensation is that it is some sort of government handout.  It isn't, it's an insurance prgrams whose premiums you adn your employer pay for while you're working


Actually, in most states, only the employer pays into the system, not the employee.
 
2013-02-06 02:28:52 PM

Gabrielmot: Nuclear Monk: osed to independent contractors, which I thought would be exempt under their new tax system).

Unless something has wildly changed in the past year, independent contractors still pay a *considerable* amount of tax, and for their own healthcare, benefits, retirement, etc.

Labeling you "independent contractor" is just a way for a company to screw you out of stable employment and deny you the same rights given to normal employees.

That being said, if you are single, young and healthy (and lucky), you can make a crap load of money as an independent contractor in the right field with the right skill set.


Some years back Microsoft lost a case brought against them by independent contractors.  The judge (correctly) ruled that after five years of continuous employement, the "temporary independent contractor" Microsoft labled them with was not believable.
 
2013-02-06 02:31:46 PM

Voiceofreason01: theurge14:
It appears I'm not the only Farker to have visited Bonita Flats.

It's called "Dodgers Bar and Grill" now....I'm mean, not that I'd ever go to a place like that.....


I always thought putting "flats" in the name was a bad idea if you're in the business of boobies.
 
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