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(Huffington Post)   Arkansas legislature to allow guns in houses of worship. They do know Arkansas has mosques, don't they?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 44
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2013-02-06 09:44:53 AM
mariopiperni.com
 
2013-02-06 09:47:18 AM
repeat
 
2013-02-06 09:47:55 AM
I'm pretty certain that quite a large percentage of the population of Alabama would absolutely love it if somebody went into a mosque with an assault rifle or two.
 
2013-02-06 09:48:10 AM
Next up: churches holding weapons training.
Documentary in ten years: How Sandy Hook was turning point for the Weaponized Christian Taliban in the United States.
 
2013-02-06 09:50:29 AM
Can you bring in a howitzer or a shoulder launched Stinger missile and launcher?
 
2013-02-06 09:53:18 AM
 
2013-02-06 09:55:50 AM
So much for sanctuary.
 
2013-02-06 09:58:41 AM
In the Middle Ages, armed men were not allowed to bring their weapons into a church or within the precincts of a monastery.
 
2013-02-06 09:59:52 AM
The Church Protection Act would allow individual places of worship to decide whether to allow concealed handguns and who could carry them.
OK what is the problem with that?
 
2013-02-06 10:04:15 AM

Saiga410: The Church Protection Act would allow individual places of worship to decide whether to allow concealed handguns and who could carry them.
OK what is the problem with that?


In Minnesota a group sued churches that tried to prohibit guns saying it violated the rights granted by the carry permit.
 
2013-02-06 10:04:51 AM

Jake Havechek: In the Middle Ages, armed men were not allowed to bring their weapons into a church or within the precincts of a monastery.


That was before Jesus wrote the Constitution, also American exceptionalism and furthermore,
 
2013-02-06 10:06:30 AM
Also, i'm quite certain i've failed my reading comprehension test today. Arkansas != Alabama

/the rest of my comment stands though
 
2013-02-06 10:11:06 AM
Yes, that's the whole point. This way, Patriots won't accidentally break any laws when they go on a rampage and murder everyone in their local mosque.
 
2013-02-06 10:17:30 AM
I didn't realize that there were laws on the books that prohibited that sort of thing. Especially in the south.
 
2013-02-06 10:19:01 AM
404 outrage not found.
 
2013-02-06 10:23:32 AM
What was the problem that this bill was passed to address?
 
2013-02-06 10:25:23 AM
Why is this socialist fascist government swooping in and telling Real American Christian churches what they can and cannot do?  I didn't believe it before, but there really is a War on Christians.  Thankfully Rush, Hannity, and Palin will be defending the churches against this government invasion of their sovereignty!
 
2013-02-06 10:25:33 AM

monoski: Saiga410: The Church Protection Act would allow individual places of worship to decide whether to allow concealed handguns and who could carry them.
OK what is the problem with that?

In Minnesota a group sued churches that tried to prohibit guns saying it violated the rights granted by the carry permit.


News to me.  DId they win... I would think the churches would easily argue that they are an exclusive group and able to define who has a right to be there and to set rules of action.
 
2013-02-06 10:28:44 AM

DamnYankees: What was the problem that this bill was passed to address?


Tyranny!  Duh?
 
2013-02-06 10:34:32 AM

poe_zlaw: Next up: churches holding weapons training.
Documentary in ten years: How Sandy Hook was turning point for the Weaponized Christian Taliban in the United States.


Ummm...yeah...

I was standing in line to pick up a to-go Tim's Pizza and the guys behind the counter were talking about how pastor so-and-so had arranged for a CCW instructor to come out to his house and give a class to any of his congregation who wanted to attend.
 
2013-02-06 10:36:49 AM

Nilatir: poe_zlaw: Next up: churches holding weapons training.
Documentary in ten years: How Sandy Hook was turning point for the Weaponized Christian Taliban in the United States.

Ummm...yeah...

I was standing in line to pick up a to-go Tim's Pizza and the guys behind the counter were talking about how pastor so-and-so had arranged for a CCW instructor to come out to his house and give a class to any of his congregation who wanted to attend.


The conversation between them was prompted by the two old guys in line in front of me talking about getting their CCW "while they still can."
 
2013-02-06 10:39:47 AM

neversubmit: repeat


The previous discussion related to the bill passing the state Senate. The bill has now passed the state House, thus this discussion relates to a new occurrence.

I eagerly await an explanation form opponents of the bill of why the purpose of the state is to regulate the firearm policies of the church. I am also interested in knowing other ways in which opponents of this bill believe that the"state" should manage the "church".
 
2013-02-06 10:47:15 AM

neversubmit: repeat


The previous discussion related to the bill passing the state Senate. The bill has now passed the state House, thus this discussion relates to a new occurrence.

I eagerly await an explanation form opponents of the bill of why the purpose of the state is to regulate the firearm policies of the church. I am also interested in knowing other ways in which opponents of this bill believe that the"state" should manage the "church".

Saiga410: monoski: Saiga410: The Church Protection Act would allow individual places of worship to decide whether to allow concealed handguns and who could carry them.
OK what is the problem with that?

In Minnesota a group sued churches that tried to prohibit guns saying it violated the rights granted by the carry permit.

News to me.  DId they win... I would think the churches would easily argue that they are an exclusive group and able to define who has a right to be there and to set rules of action.


I have located information regarding only one lawsuit related to houses of worship in Minnesota and concealed weapons permits; specifically, Minnesota churches sued over a state requirement that the carrying of concealed firearms at private establishments could be prohibited only if certain specified notifications were posted.
 
2013-02-06 10:48:47 AM

Dimensio: neversubmit: repeat

The previous discussion related to the bill passing the state Senate. The bill has now passed the state House, thus this discussion relates to a new occurrence.

I eagerly await an explanation form opponents of the bill of why the purpose of the state is to regulate the firearm policies of the church. I am also interested in knowing other ways in which opponents of this bill believe that the"state" should manage the "church".


Churches must follow many regulations that are designed to protect the health safety and welfare of the public. They must follow building and zoning codes, for example.
 
2013-02-06 10:49:48 AM
Eh.  Having a hard to really caring about this.  Individual churches/property owners are free to ban firearms if they so choose.
 
2013-02-06 10:50:06 AM

Nilatir: poe_zlaw: Next up: churches holding weapons training.
Documentary in ten years: How Sandy Hook was turning point for the Weaponized Christian Taliban in the United States.

Ummm...yeah...

I was standing in line to pick up a to-go Tim's Pizza and the guys behind the counter were talking about how pastor so-and-so had arranged for a CCW instructor to come out to his house and give a class to any of his congregation who wanted to attend.


My minister gave me 8 firearms and some ammo.... granted he is also my father in law and I am the only person in that family that enjoys firearms.
 
2013-02-06 10:52:36 AM

DamnYankees: What was the problem that this bill was passed to address?


An irregularity in gun regulations restricting carrying in a particularly place for no valid reason.
 
2013-02-06 10:53:16 AM
Please

Arizona allows guns at the bar, strip club, baseball game and bank now ..... they have a way to go to catch up on the derp
 
2013-02-06 10:53:28 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Dimensio: neversubmit: repeat

The previous discussion related to the bill passing the state Senate. The bill has now passed the state House, thus this discussion relates to a new occurrence.

I eagerly await an explanation form opponents of the bill of why the purpose of the state is to regulate the firearm policies of the church. I am also interested in knowing other ways in which opponents of this bill believe that the"state" should manage the "church".

Churches must follow many regulations that are designed to protect the health safety and welfare of the public. They must follow building and zoning codes, for example.


What building and zoning codes are explicitly applicable to houses of worship, and not to other private establishments? How, exactly, does prohibiting the possession of concealed firearms by licensed individuals in houses of worship -- rather than allowing management of houses of worship to establish their own policy regarding such action -- protect the health, safety and welfare of the public?
 
2013-02-06 10:57:30 AM

Dimensio: Philip Francis Queeg: Dimensio: neversubmit: repeat

The previous discussion related to the bill passing the state Senate. The bill has now passed the state House, thus this discussion relates to a new occurrence.

I eagerly await an explanation form opponents of the bill of why the purpose of the state is to regulate the firearm policies of the church. I am also interested in knowing other ways in which opponents of this bill believe that the"state" should manage the "church".

Churches must follow many regulations that are designed to protect the health safety and welfare of the public. They must follow building and zoning codes, for example.

What building and zoning codes are explicitly applicable to houses of worship, and not to other private establishments? How, exactly, does prohibiting the possession of concealed firearms by licensed individuals in houses of worship -- rather than allowing management of houses of worship to establish their own policy regarding such action -- protect the health, safety and welfare of the public?


There are multiple sections of the building code that contain specific provisions for houses of worship, particularly in regard to calculating the occupancy and exiting requirements.
 
2013-02-06 11:25:33 AM
Meanwhile, in newly conservative-dominated NC, our legislators are busy introducing and passing bills that are going to shape the state into their vision of what it should be. High on the list is passing a bill that would allow weapons to be carried in restaurants, in places of worship, in educational facilities, and even in government offices. The "guns everywhere" crowd rallied yesterday at the legislature building yesterday, and had more than a few politicians come out and pledge to introduce a bill that would do just what I said above.

/we're going to look like Kansas or Mississippi in two years
//and it won't be pretty
 
2013-02-06 01:36:16 PM
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who was once a Southern Baptist minister, told Reuters that guns had saved lives in some churches. "A couple of cases - the church in Colorado where a crazed shooter was stopped by an off-duty deputy who had her gun - probably saved a lot of lives," he said.

That she did. It's too bad the church later kicked her out.

/original thread
 
2013-02-06 01:46:07 PM
Doesn't bother me. Since the bill (as I understand it) would allow individual houses of worship to decide their own firearms policies, it actually would cause less government entanglement than either mandating the absence or presence of firearms. Of course, if the AR media ever actually gets ahold of footage of armed brown men walking into a Little Rock mosque, I'd expect a repeal of this law the next morning hand-delivered with the NRA's compliments. The best way to get gun control in the US is to arm people of color, as Governor Reagan in CA demonstrated back in the day.
 
2013-02-06 02:08:38 PM

Paris1127: Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who was once a Southern Baptist minister, told Reuters that guns had saved lives in some churches. "A couple of cases - the church in Colorado where a crazed shooter was stopped by an off-duty deputy who had her gun - probably saved a lot of lives," he said.

That she did. It's too bad the church later kicked her out.

/original thread


Thanks for saving our lives!  P.S., Burn in Hell, homosexual!

/You couldn't make this stuff up.
 
2013-02-06 02:10:56 PM

DamnYankees: What was the problem that this bill was passed to address?


TED NUGENT!!!
 
2013-02-06 02:13:52 PM
I'm not sure what subby is implying with this headline and tag combination. Is there something wrong with Muslims exercising their rights or something?
 
2013-02-06 02:19:22 PM

monoski: In Minnesota a group sued churches that tried to prohibit guns saying it violated the rights granted by the carry permit.


I thought the owners of any private property could decide what was and was not permitted there, except for "public accomodations" and discrimination on the basis of race, etc.  Can a bar exclude weapons?  I would think that most would want to.
 
2013-02-06 02:20:17 PM

Frank N Stein: I'm not sure what subby is implying with this headline and tag combination. Is there something wrong with Muslims exercising their rights or something?


In the opinion of the average Arkansan?  Yes.
 
2013-02-06 03:12:36 PM

pciszek: monoski: In Minnesota a group sued churches that tried to prohibit guns saying it violated the rights granted by the carry permit.

I thought the owners of any private property could decide what was and was not permitted there, except for "public accomodations" and discrimination on the basis of race, etc.  Can a bar exclude weapons?  I would think that most would want to.


Yet to be decided in this case...but the legal costs are going to hurt the small Rochester church at the center
 
2013-02-06 05:12:16 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: I'm pretty certain that quite a large percentage of the population of Alabama would absolutely love it if somebody went into a mosque with an assault rifle or two.


That's what makes this so interesting. If some Gawd-Fearing, Jaysus-Luvin' Christian walked into a mosque with weapons, and the members of the mosque were armed, I wonder what the reaction of the Gawd-Fearing, Jaysus-Luvin' Christian people of Alabama might be?
 
2013-02-06 05:41:15 PM

DamnYankees: What was the problem that this bill was passed to address?


Spree killers apparently like to target gun free zones.  Elementary schools = gun free.  The Aurora theater was apparently picked because it was posted gun-free*.  The shooting of the Sikh temple in Wisconsin is far from the only spree killing in a religious building.

There are a number of documented cases of a spree killer being stopped in a church before they can really get started - by either a off-duty cop or CCW permittee attending service.  The one I remember had many news sites reporting the defending shooter 'worked as a volunteer guard at the church'; but he wasn't a cop, didn't work as a security guard, but did have a ccw permit - if you read between the lines you got the idea that the church 'authorized' him to be a guard AFTER the shooting; to protect him from possible legal problems(unlikely; but didn't hurt).

*there were closer and larger theaters with 15-20 minutes of travel; the ONLY theater posted as a no-carry zone was the one picked.  It's not a guarantee; but it's an obvious trend.

Dimensio: Minnesota churches sued over a state requirement that the carrying of concealed firearms at private establishments could be prohibited only if certain specified notifications were posted.


Which I'd support the church losing.  If you want to prohibit carry on your property, you should be posting a visible sign on each entrance so I can be sure to see it and not patronize your establishment(or break your preference), not have it buried in some clause of a manual I don't even know exists.
 
2013-02-06 07:10:55 PM

monoski: Saiga410: The Church Protection Act would allow individual places of worship to decide whether to allow concealed handguns and who could carry them.
OK what is the problem with that?

In Minnesota a group sued churches that tried to prohibit guns saying it violated the rights granted by the carry permit.


Anywhere that has a concealed carry law pretty much leave it up to the church or business whether this is allowed.

I'm OK with this.
 
2013-02-06 07:20:22 PM
Five?
 
2013-02-07 06:32:22 AM
Arkansas legislature to allow guns in houses of worship. They do know Arkansas has mosques, don't they?

Nice try subby, but we all know Islam isn't a religion. It's a political ideology.

/I WISH I was making this up
 
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