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(The New York Times)   House Republicans are finally willing to do what Bush Jr. wanted to do 6 years ago. Bush Sr. 13 years ago, and Reagan 20 years ago   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2013-02-06 09:59:37 AM  
Reagan was a commie from Hollywood.
 
2013-02-06 10:06:16 AM  
Reduce the size of the federal government?

Oh, wanted to do. I thought the headline said "promised" to do.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:01 AM  
I wonder if the pandering to jerb-stealing-mezzicans at this stage of the game will actually garner them any votes.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:29 AM  
The Republican plan to let immigrants become something less than a citizen will only delay the Hispanic Democratic voting block by one generation.  Good luck with that GOP.

Permanent residency is 3/5 of a full citizen.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:29 AM  
Increase tax revenue?

/clicks link

I has a sad now
 
2013-02-06 10:08:09 AM  
...legal residency but not a path to citizenship

How do you say "Too little, too late" en  espanol?
 
2013-02-06 10:08:22 AM  
Maybe someone should be doing what both sides aren't willing to do. Crack down and punish financially those companies that hire and underpay illegal immigrants for the purpose of turning a higher profit, than if they were paying at least the minimum wage.
 
2013-02-06 10:08:36 AM  
Act like human beings?
Learn to read?
Stop farking chicken?

Oh, pander to minorities and expect them to ignore decades of demonization.......let me know how that works out for you old white farkers.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:08 AM  
Hmm... Bush Junior and Bush Senior.

So BJ and BS for short?
 
2013-02-06 10:10:27 AM  
If the republicans get their way will they start calling them legals?
 
2013-02-06 10:10:37 AM  

Headso: I wonder if the pandering to jerb-stealing-mezzicans at this stage of the game will actually garner them any votes.



The Republican voting base doesn't have the capacity to remember it when the next election cycle comes around.
 
2013-02-06 10:12:20 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Increase tax revenue?



What is this I don't even? Why would you think Bush Jr. wanted to increase revenue?
 
2013-02-06 10:17:36 AM  

Philip J. Fry: Permanent residency is 3/5 of a full citizen.


I'm going to have to say "No" to that.  The notion that you had to be a citizen to live here is only slightly more than a century old.  And the only reason we have immigration laws was to make 19th century racists (who were themselves immigrants) happy.
 
2013-02-06 10:18:23 AM  
Behold, the desperate skittering toward the middle ground continues to grow within the establishment GOP.

Combine this with the Rove anti-Tea Derper PACs and you have an honest-to-god divesting of at least 'some' of the crazies in the GOP.

Whether or not it succeeds is irrelevant now.  The Tea Derpers and crazies will not go quietly into that good night.  They will rage, rage against the dying of the derp.
 
2013-02-06 10:19:03 AM  
Party guest: One last thing: nobody ever accomplished anything by quitting. You know, what if Ronald Reagan quit?
Casey: Quit acting? He did.
Henry: Yeah, that's actually where I got the idea.
 
2013-02-06 10:20:57 AM  

Lord_Baull: Headso: I wonder if the pandering to jerb-stealing-mezzicans at this stage of the game will actually garner them any votes.


The Republican voting base doesn't have the capacity to remember it when the next election cycle comes around.


That isn't really relevant given they are trying to garner votes from people that don't vote Republican.
 
2013-02-06 10:22:27 AM  
"Are there options that we should consider between the extremes of mass deportation and a pathway to citizenship for those not lawfully present in the United States?"

Pathway to citizenship is not "extreme" measure as long as you're not a fringe rightwing racist twatwaffle.    Even Eric Cantor supports it.
 
2013-02-06 10:22:44 AM  
While I'm not expecting anything particularly meaningful or thoughtful from Congress on immigration, progress has been so slow on the issue that I'm almost willing to consider anything that makes it so the default status of an immigrant stops being "criminal/potential criminal" to be a step forward.
I can understand the hesitancy regarding a path to citizenship for those who illegally enter the country, but I don't understand the resistance when it comes to the children of immigrants, especially those who have grown to adulthood in the U.S. If a person was brought to the U.S. illegally as a child, they didn't actually commit a crime. If they grew up here and have lived here their whole lives and consider the U.S. to be home, they pretty much are citizens (bonus for not being anchor babies?).
Get on with it, schmucks.
 
2013-02-06 10:23:04 AM  

Lord_Baull: DarwiOdrade: Increase tax revenue?


What is this I don't even? Why would you think Bush Jr. wanted to increase revenue?


Wasn't that the "theory" behind the tax cuts, however ridiculous?
 
2013-02-06 10:24:01 AM  
I think (hope) the GOP has completely farked themselves. For every vote they can gain by pretending to give a shiat about immigrants they'll lose a vote from the scared moran voting block they've been cultivating for years.

/lately I've been getting the idea that some of the saner voices in the GOP are getting more attention since the election. The tea party will not stand for this.
 
2013-02-06 10:27:21 AM  
round up all the poor people and give them to corporations?
 
2013-02-06 10:27:40 AM  
Interesting. Immigration reform was one of the two ideas that Bush the Lesser had that I actually agreed with, and I was disappointed when his own party derped it down.
 
2013-02-06 10:33:13 AM  
raise taxes?
 
2013-02-06 10:34:03 AM  

geek_mars: but I don't understand the resistance when it comes to the children of immigrants, especially those who have grown to adulthood in the U.S.


Because it creates yet another incentive for people to come over illegally and it wasn't tied to any enforcement efforts. It also was seen, correctly, a prelude to promote the broader amnesty and legalization.
 
2013-02-06 10:34:11 AM  
It is funny to me how a group of people with zero representation just turned into a desirable and powerful voting block.
 
2013-02-06 10:37:00 AM  

xria: Lord_Baull: Headso: I wonder if the pandering to jerb-stealing-mezzicans at this stage of the game will actually garner them any votes.


The Republican voting base doesn't have the capacity to remember it when the next election cycle comes around.

That isn't really relevant given they are trying to garner votes from people that don't vote Republican.



Touche. I read that as losing votes, not gaining.
 
2013-02-06 10:38:16 AM  

InmanRoshi: "Are there options that we should consider between the extremes of mass deportation and a pathway to citizenship for those not lawfully present in the United States?"

Pathway to citizenship is not "extreme" measure as long as you're not a fringe rightwing racist twatwaffle.    Even Eric Cantor supports it.


What position can you take beyond that point or are you unaware of the mathmatical use of the word extreme?
 
2013-02-06 10:39:17 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Maybe someone should be doing what both sides aren't willing to do. Crack down and punish financially those companies that hire and underpay illegal immigrants for the purpose of turning a higher profit, than if they were paying at least the minimum wage.


Fixed.
 
2013-02-06 10:39:34 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Lord_Baull: DarwiOdrade: Increase tax revenue?


What is this I don't even? Why would you think Bush Jr. wanted to increase revenue?

Wasn't that the "theory" behind the tax cuts, however ridiculous?



I suppose that's a valid point. I'm off my game in this thread.
 
2013-02-06 10:39:53 AM  
You can't make permanent residency without a path to citizenship. It's just not workable from an implementation standpoint, unless you make citizenship essentially meaningless.
 
2013-02-06 11:01:37 AM  

hinten: It is funny to me how a group of people with zero representation just turned into a desirable and powerful voting block.


And they are for sale to the highest bidder.
 
2013-02-06 11:06:30 AM  

Lost Thought 00: You can't make permanent residency without a path to citizenship. It's just not workable from an implementation standpoint, unless you make citizenship essentially meaningless.


Please explain why not.

It seems pretty simple to me. You let people live here legally, but you don't let them vote.
 
2013-02-06 11:21:22 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Maybe someone should be doing what both sides aren't willing to do. Crack down and punish financially those companies that hire and underpay illegal immigrants for the purpose of turning a higher profit, than if they were paying at least the minimum wage.


LOL
but that would actually solve the problem.
Hired an illegal? CEO goes to jail. Just one or two arrests and CEOs everywhere would put an immediate stop to hiring illegals.

never going to happen
 
2013-02-06 11:30:17 AM  
Open the borders to all comers who can demonstrate a clean criminal record and provide a negative TB test.
 
2013-02-06 11:32:58 AM  

Krieghund: Lost Thought 00: You can't make permanent residency without a path to citizenship. It's just not workable from an implementation standpoint, unless you make citizenship essentially meaningless.

Please explain why not.

It seems pretty simple to me. You let people live here legally, but you don't let them vote.


I don't know that it would be impossible, but it might be inadvisable.

If the experience of European countries that have tried similar schemes is any guide, it creates an increasingly disaffected permanent underclass that, in the worst case, becomes radicalized. Of course, there's no guarantee that the American experience would follow that path, but it's a risk. And who knows, maybe the American experience is that 30 years from now we have another Civil Rights movement for disenfranchised, taxpaying Legal Residents?

The part I don't get is what happens to the American-born children of such people. Presumably they are citizens by birth, barring a Constitutional amendment, so at most all this does is postpone full citizenship by one generation (which by itself would be a big difference from European countries that don't have jus soli, and consequently have generations of people who have no other home or loyalty yet are not citizens).

If this is what takes to get sufficient support from moderate right-wingers who accept the need for reform but balk at anything that might lead to them being accused of "rewarding" illegal immigrants by the hard-liners of their own party, I'd be OK with it. In a perfect world I'd prefer to see full citizenship for people whose only offense is that they didn't do the paperwork before crossing the border, but I wouldn't make the Perfect the enemy of the Good if we can do something for people right now.

/FWIW, I'm a naturalized citizen. I did it the hard way, and I think the hard way is stupid.
 
2013-02-06 11:47:13 AM  
I blame this biatch... Emma Lazarus and her sonnet.
 
2013-02-06 11:47:35 AM  

namatad: DarkSoulNoHope: Maybe someone should be doing what both sides aren't willing to do. Crack down and punish financially those companies that hire and underpay illegal immigrants for the purpose of turning a higher profit, than if they were paying at least the minimum wage.

LOL
but that would actually solve the problem.
Hired an illegal? CEO goes to jail. Just one or two arrests and CEOs everywhere would put an immediate stop to hiring illegals.

never going to happen


But we could always dream of it. I would love to see alot of business owners in jail for hiring illegals. Maybe have a sting operation where an undercover INS (I know it's not called that anymore) agent hangs out with a crowd of illegals in waiting for a construction company owner to come up and solicit for work, then arrest him, after a few arrests you'll see these construction companies go through legal channels to hire people.
 
2013-02-06 11:49:57 AM  

InmanRoshi: Pathway to citizenship is not "extreme" measure as long as you're not a fringe rightwing racist twatwaffle. Even Eric Cantor supports it.


Yes, for about 36 hours, now.

Prior to that it was an unshakeable principle that "amnesty" was anathema.

Stand firm, Eric!

Ya douchebag windsock.
 
2013-02-06 11:50:07 AM  

czetie: it creates an increasingly disaffected permanent underclass that, in the worst case, becomes radicalized.


There are already millions of legal permanent residents who, for a variety of reasons, will never become citizens, many don't even want to. Now legal immigrants from Latin american and the Caribbean only have a 49% naturalization rate.
 
2013-02-06 12:03:57 PM  
House Republicans are finally willing to do what Bush Jr. wanted to do 6 years ago. Bush Sr. 13 years ago, and Reagan 20 years ago

?What is: Nuke the World so they can be nearer to their God?
 
2013-02-06 12:09:17 PM  

czetie: it creates an increasingly disaffected permanent underclass that, in the worst case, becomes radicalized....The part I don't get is what happens to the American-born children of such people. Presumably they are citizens by birth, barring a Constitutional amendment, so at most all this does is postpone full citizenship by one generation

.

That's because no one on THAT side of the aisle has figured out either your first or second point yet. Creating an entire pissed-off underclass generation that sires a generation of American citizens who are learning from their parents is probably a less than stellar idea.
 
2013-02-06 12:19:24 PM  
DrewCurtisJr:  Because it creates yet another incentive for people to come over illegally and it wasn't tied to any enforcement efforts. It also was seen, correctly, a prelude to promote the broader amnesty and legalization.
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2013-02-06 12:43:17 PM  

Somacandra: Naughty, Naughty now. Don't forget your new talking points for the Republican Party.


But,  "We are a nation of immigrants."
 
2013-02-06 12:50:51 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: czetie: it creates an increasingly disaffected permanent underclass that, in the worst case, becomes radicalized.

There are already millions of legal permanent residents who, for a variety of reasons, will never become citizens, many don't even want to. Now legal immigrants from Latin american and the Caribbean only have a 49% naturalization rate.


That's true, but the difference is that most of those permanent residents have at least a path to citizenship which they are choosing not to exercise.  What the GOP is proposing is a resident status without such a pathway which is de facto second class citizenship.  It's a craven attempt to appear sympathetic on immigration reform without risking giving the Democrats millions of new voters.
 
2013-02-06 01:01:47 PM  

Stile4aly: That's true, but the difference is that most of those permanent residents have at least a path to citizenship which they are choosing not to exercise.


They are choosing not to exercise this option because it is not that important to them, not a priority.

Stile4aly: What the GOP is proposing is a resident status without such a pathway which is de facto second class citizenship.


Which is more than fair given that they should be deported.
 
2013-02-06 01:12:25 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Which is more than fair given that they should be deported.


Why should they be deported - is it because the legal authority exists to do so, or because it is in America's economic interest to do so? The government clearly has the authority to deport all undocumented aliens, but it is not at all clear to me that exercising that authority would come without significant costs relative to benefits.
 
2013-02-06 01:25:10 PM  

BMulligan: Why should they be deported - is it because the legal authority exists to do so, or because it is in America's economic interest to do so?


Yes and yes.

The government clearly has the authority to deport all undocumented aliens, but it is not at all clear to me that exercising that authority would come without significant costs relative to benefits.

What sort of costs?
 
2013-02-06 01:26:06 PM  

namatad: DarkSoulNoHope: Maybe someone should be doing what both sides aren't willing to do. Crack down and punish financially those companies that hire and underpay illegal immigrants for the purpose of turning a higher profit, than if they were paying at least the minimum wage.

LOL
but that would actually solve the problem.
Hired an illegal? CEO goes to jail. Just one or two arrests and CEOs everywhere would put an immediate stop to hiring illegals.

never going to happen


The problem with this idea is the same as the problem with that Arizona law about showing ID if you look illegal.
No company wants to hire anyone who looks like they might be illegals if the CEO will go to jail for a screw up. So suddenly every legal Latino will have to provide extra solid proof of legal status to work anywhere.
 
2013-02-06 01:28:23 PM  

BMulligan: Why should they be deported - is it because the legal authority exists to do so, or because it is in America's economic interest to do so? The government clearly has the authority to deport all undocumented aliens, but it is not at all clear to me that exercising that authority would come without significant costs relative to benefits.


But DrewCurtisJr just loves to pick him some tomatoes on a piecework basis!  As all right-thinking `Murricans do!  Off the ranchero, Pablo!  We got this!
 
2013-02-06 01:34:44 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: What sort of costs?


You cannot be serious.

Agriculture needs labor.  There was a piece on NPR just the other day about the differences between Canada's Guest Worker program and our B-1-whatever visa program.  Essentially, because we treat immigrant workers like shiate, and Canada treats them as human beings, we can't get temporary workers into the fields.  Farmers are losing crops for lack of labor.  You deport all the undocumented workers on top of that and get ready to see your food prices quadruple, if you can get any.

Not to mention the billions of dollars it would take to round them up, process and transport them, just to further fark up the economy as a whole.

"What sort of costs?".  Whadda Maroon.

You are welcome to take a peek into the reality-based world at any time.  It won't bite.

Well, actually, yes it will.  You may as well get it over with.
 
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