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(Time)   The single most important chart in American politics   (swampland.time.com) divider line 210
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2013-02-06 09:00:31 AM
What I got from the article is that at least *some* Republicans are starting to understand what the rest of us have to deal with on a daily basis.

Well... we'll see.  I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-02-06 09:42:16 AM
There's a simple answer to this. Cut taxes for the healthy so their incomes go up which means the average income for everyone will go. Problem Solved!
 
2013-02-06 09:42:53 AM
Or the wealthy, either one.
 
2013-02-06 10:01:55 AM
Hmmm, that red line appears to be trickling down.
 
2013-02-06 10:03:44 AM
If it's so important why doesn't have an X axis?
 
2013-02-06 10:04:28 AM
BUT ZOMG DEBT
 
2013-02-06 10:05:38 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-06 10:05:53 AM

IgG4: If it's so important why doesn't have an X axis?


Do you know how much that would have cost taxpayers if it had an X-axis? That graph saved us $4.5 billion dollars.
 
2013-02-06 10:11:50 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 360x240]


Excellent.

I thought you would have gone with "Farts per capita".
 
2013-02-06 10:29:05 AM

Rev.K: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 360x240]

Excellent.

I thought you would have gone with "Farts per capita".


I thought about it. Honestly the source image was so shiat that I could not justify spending more than two seconds on it
 
2013-02-06 10:29:25 AM
I got mine and I will make sure you never get yours.
 
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2013-02-06 10:32:02 AM
I thought the GOP line was that this was good?  The increases in GDP that isn't making it to the workers must be going to the "job creators" right?
 
2013-02-06 10:33:12 AM
Shortly after 2000, the lines diverged. The economy hummed along, but many Americans, the ones politicians typically refer to as the middle class, stopped feeling the benefits.

Isnt this exactly what the Republican ideology is about?
 
2013-02-06 10:34:46 AM
Obviously, class warfare is the answer.
 
2013-02-06 10:36:05 AM

Cletus C.: Obviously, class warfare is the answer.


Or Voting Republican
 
2013-02-06 10:36:20 AM

NateGrey: Shortly after 2000, the lines diverged. The economy hummed along, but many Americans, the ones politicians typically refer to as the middle class, stopped feeling the benefits.

Isnt this exactly what the Republican ideology is about?


Not the ideology, but the policy, yes.
 
2013-02-06 10:36:56 AM

NateGrey: Cletus C.: Obviously, class warfare is the answer.

Or Voting Republican


You're doing it right.
 
2013-02-06 10:38:25 AM
So productivity is up, GDP is up, the DOW is up but most people are feeling increasingly squeezed?

Small wonder then why the GOP's "you moochers are just looking for free stuff/austerity budget is best budget" pre-election rhetoric failed to resonate with so many people.

fta: His rhetoric will strongly echo Obama's campaign stump speech. "Lately it has become all too common in our country to hear parents fear whether their children will indeed have it better than they,"

So the GOP have slowly come to the understanding that in order to succeed at this politicking stuff they need to be more like Obama and the Dems and less like themselves?

GL w/ that.

/srsly.
 
2013-02-06 10:38:54 AM
Robots don;t spend 60-80% of their time at work surfing the internet and wanting to get paid more for it.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/much-80-percent-time-spent-onli ne -wasted-according-235416254.html
 
2013-02-06 10:40:52 AM

quatchi: So productivity is up, GDP is up, the DOW is up but most people are feeling increasingly squeezed?

Small wonder then why the GOP's "you moochers are just looking for free stuff/austerity budget is best budget" pre-election rhetoric failed to resonate with so many people.

fta: His rhetoric will strongly echo Obama's campaign stump speech. "Lately it has become all too common in our country to hear parents fear whether their children will indeed have it better than they,"

So the GOP have slowly come to the understanding that in order to succeed at this politicking stuff they need to be more like Obama and the Dems and less like themselves?

GL w/ that.

/srsly.


Because the wealth gap has shown so much improvement during the Obama presidency?
 
2013-02-06 10:41:49 AM
Well, this chart cemented it for me. We have got to make it harder to start up a business.
 
2013-02-06 10:42:39 AM
While that may be the single most important chart from a realpolitik standpoint, if it was actually the most important from an election/electability standpoint the Democrats would control the Senate 98-2 and the House 429-6.
 
2013-02-06 10:43:18 AM

Cletus C.: Because the wealth gap has shown so much improvement during the Obama presidency?


What, exactly, do you want him to do about it that wouldn't result in someone shouting "wealth redistribution" and "class warfare"?

/just kidding, I know you don't care
 
2013-02-06 10:43:52 AM

Cletus C.: Obviously, class warfare is the answer.


it's not?
 
2013-02-06 10:44:25 AM
While it is interesting to hear this from the GOP please make no mistake, they will not do one damn thing to actually address this problem. You cannot serve two masters.
 
2013-02-06 10:45:20 AM
So all of a sudden you give a shiat about someone other than the wealthy? Go fark yourself
 
2013-02-06 10:47:17 AM
Class warfare isn't the answer, class warfare is the problem.
 
2013-02-06 10:48:03 AM
You know, if you moved the start date on that graph back to 1978 from 1992, you'll see the disconnect between productivity and household income/GDP per capita start there and accelerate after 1981. Then it reconnects a bit in 1992 until 2000, and then it disconnects again.

Gee, I wonder what we were doing in those periods that could cause those things...anybody have any guesses? Mine is that we were trying something that rhymes with "max butts."
 
2013-02-06 10:48:27 AM
So break unions, refuse to increase minimum wage, screw public employees out of their promised pensions, and block any woman's equal pay bills.
 
2013-02-06 10:49:04 AM

Citrate1007: So break unions, refuse to increase minimum wage, screw public employees out of their promised pensions, and block any woman's equal pay bills.


Oh, and tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
2013-02-06 10:49:49 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 360x240]


Shouldn't that line only go halfway up? Or do economics follow the one-drop rule?
 
2013-02-06 10:50:20 AM

Cletus C.: Because the wealth gap has shown so much improvement during the Obama presidency?


Possibly it's because the Dems look at the wealth gap as a bug and not a feature like the GOP do.
 
2013-02-06 10:51:17 AM

Giltric: Robots don;t spend 60-80% of their time at work surfing the internet and wanting to get paid more for it.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/much-80-percent-time-spent-onli ne -wasted-according-235416254.html


If you think that the article you linked says the average worker spends 80% of their work time wasting time online, you are functionally illiterate.
 
2013-02-06 10:52:27 AM

Jackson Herring: Class warfare isn't the answer, class warfare is the problem.


Not really sure where you are going with this one; trolling or thread-jacking?
 
2013-02-06 10:53:59 AM
For much of the 2012 campaign, Republicans contented themselves with a message focused on decreased federal spending and debt, two policies that addressed the aftermath of the Great Recession but offered no solutions to the economic struggles that had begun a decade earlier. With Cantor's speech, there is the beginnings of a shift. Like Obama after the 2010 election, Republicans are now directly addressing the fears and frustrations that have been at the heart of each federal election since 2006, a feeling of the country in decline as manifested by stagnant take-home pay.

Oooooh, nothing like being six farking years behind, jackasses. It took you six years to discover the issue, how long is it going to take you to fix it, especially with the rest of the Party being obstructionists for the sake of being obstructionists?
 
2013-02-06 10:55:13 AM
"Lately it has become all too common in our country to hear parents fear whether their children will indeed have it better than they," Cantor will say, according to early excerpts of his speech. "Our goal: to ensure every American has a fair shot at earning their success and achieving their dreams." ...And we intend to work toward that goal by doing a whole bunch of things that will ensure that we will never achieve it.
 
2013-02-06 10:55:38 AM
No the growth of the federal government under Republican/Democratic administrations is the most important.  Moran's need to realize that the GOP have been lying to them about fiscal responsibility and small government.
 
2013-02-06 10:57:06 AM
Um, this makes sense.  Wages shouldn't keep up with productivity gains and GDP per capita.  One worker can produce tons more than a worker fifteen years ago due to automation and technology, but at the same time, that worker doesn't necessarily even have to be that skilled.  If one worker can press a button that produces the same number of cars as it took 15 workers to produce 15 years ago, and anyone of them can push that button....

We shouldn't be focusing on getting everyone high paying jobs, we should focus on getting a guaranteed minimum income.  Give every person 20,000 to start, and then 50 cents less for every dollar they make, so when they hit 40,000, they are on their own.  Remove the minimum wage.

Problem solved.

/end drug war
/free contraception for everyone
/slash DoD budgets
/replace current safety net programs with the GMI
 
2013-02-06 10:57:25 AM
Jump over to a typical Fark jobs thread on the Business tab, and the engineers and IT workers will patiently explain to you how you deserve to be poor, because you didn't get a STEM degree and a bunch of IT certifications. Also you're a lazy, whining, freeloading lib that's leeching off the system.
 
2013-02-06 10:59:21 AM
The thing about class warfare is that it isn't a war of guns and bombs, or horses and bayonets, or even a war of productivity. Instead it is a guerilla war, a war of assymetrical resources and antagonists, one in which the combatants are mutually dependent as well as in conflict. The problem isn't a clash of ideologies, or even classes as seen through the lense of those ideologies, but about the fundamental problems of scarcity, entitlement, and our moral obligations to our fellow women.

It is a war against our basic ape natures, wherein status and having more than your neighbor is more important than the equitable distribution of goods. We need to feel bigger and better than our neighbors, to be higher on the social ladder, and our brains are developed to be very intelligent, and very sensitive, to social status. That we can turn this intelligence to abstract reasoning as well as social gaming is what differentiates us from our closest speciate-cousins.

It also allows us to be gulled into believing that the ends are the means, and that the means themselves are sacred in the name of things we cannot possibly feel, despite our imaginations to the contrary: equality, fraternity, and egality.

Take finance, for example. There are people out there that rage against paper-money, against fiat-currency, and against economies based on manufacturing the level of its scarcity. Indeed there are people that rage against the way financial workers attempt to efficiently allocate funds to themselves first, and to the rest of the system second, and being more concerned with accumulating the cash rather than its best allocation, and then its best allocation is remuneration, rather than moral worth.

People rage against this capitalism, by which capital is fluid, both dammed and tapped to the advantage of those managing it at the expense of those requiring it, but they fail to see that this is always the case. Those in power, given the responsibility for allocating power, whether it is capital, labour, or military force, will always act in their own interests first, and that power needs to attract power least it be lost. Power has its own gravity: if you do not act to acquire the mass (capital, etc) to acquire more, then it will be lost to whomsoever does.

Class warfare is not a war of the upper class against the lower class, it is a war of those with power against those who want that power for themselves. Yet we all collude against ourselves, and settle for a smaller slice of the pie when the alternative is none. It is a war within ourselves and unlikely to be settled merely because the losers are currently losing.
 
2013-02-06 11:00:02 AM
MattStafford:

But how many coconuts do we all get?
 
2013-02-06 11:00:33 AM
Jackson Herring: Class warfare isn't the answer, class warfare is the problem.
 
2013-02-06 11:01:38 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-06 11:01:43 AM
fta: Some of it has to do with how the figures are calculated. But the most important political takeaway of the chart is that at the turn of a new century, much of the U.S. stopped feeling the benefits of a growing national economy.

Because the only thing that grew is the financial services industry and its vitality has almost no real effect on the personal and economic health of the nation.
 
2013-02-06 11:03:25 AM

verbaltoxin: Jump over to a typical Fark jobs thread on the Business tab, and the engineers and IT workers will patiently explain to you how you deserve to be poor, because you didn't get a STEM degree and a bunch of IT certifications. Also you're a lazy, whining, freeloading lib that's leeching off the system.


I have a STEM degree and am languishing in grad school due to persistent lack of work in my field.   I get paid more to go to grad school than I did to work with my bachelor's.  I'm staying here for awhile, but all I basically hear every day is how there are no jobs to look to when this is all done.
 
2013-02-06 11:03:53 AM

Jackson Herring: Class warfare isn't the answer, class warfare is the problem.


I'd say it's both. The meta-problem is that we're not fighting to a standstill - when one side gains the upper hand for too long, it's bad for everyone.
 
2013-02-06 11:05:19 AM
 Gee, it's almost as if capitalists have used technology to squeeze labor so tightly to gain profit that there is no one left to buy their products, and with no future room for growth they must cannibalize their own leading to a few small big industries eating up all the smaller fish of the industry, which causes even more  monopolization of capitol.

.... if only someone could have foreseen this.........
 
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2013-02-06 11:06:13 AM

IgG4: If it's so important why doesn't have an X axis?


That was the first thing I thought.  But what do I know.


img4.joyreactor.com
 
2013-02-06 11:06:55 AM

Cletus C.: Obviously, class warfare is the answer.


Like there hasn't been any waged by each ruling group upon its own subjects since the dawn of history.
 
2013-02-06 11:07:40 AM
The chart needs a 4th line.
CEO income
 
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