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2013-02-06 09:01:59 AM
With other spending cuts and tax increases called for in the health law, though, CBO still says Mr. Obama's signature achievement will reduce budget deficits in the short term.

So we got that going for us.  Which is nice...
 
2013-02-06 09:43:03 AM
Rich guys who don't want to limit themselves to a smaller yacht this quarter being crybabies about being forced to practice ethical business blaming their moral failings on Obamacare will cost 7 million workers their health insurance.

FTFY subs.
 
2013-02-06 09:46:12 AM
During the health care debate Mr. Obama had said individuals would be able to keep their plans.


Let the butthurt flow
 
2013-02-06 09:56:27 AM

doglover: Rich guys who don't want to limit themselves to a smaller yacht this quarter being crybabies about being forced to practice ethical business blaming their moral failings on Obamacare will cost 7 million workers their health insurance.

FTFY subs.


THANK YOU.  Go back to your cave,  trollmitter.
 
2013-02-06 09:56:36 AM

sammyk: During the health care debate Mr. Obama had said individuals would be able to keep their plans.


Let the butthurt flow


And he didn't lie.  They can keep their plans, if their employer drops the plan than that's on the employer not the government.  Thanks Republicans for not allowing the passing of HCR without the individual mandate.
 
2013-02-06 10:01:59 AM
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The Moon Cult times? No thanks
 
2013-02-06 10:23:24 AM

TNel: sammyk: During the health care debate Mr. Obama had said individuals would be able to keep their plans.


Let the butthurt flow

And he didn't lie.  They can keep their plans, if their employer drops the plan than that's on the employer not the government.  Thanks Republicans for not allowing the passing of HCR without the individual mandate.


That's just like saying you can keep your job if we raise the minimum wage - if your employer fires you (because he can't afford to keep you on), that's on the employer and not the government.

Just because it's not the government firing the worker doesn't mean that the government didn't cause the worker to be fired.

Same thing here - just because it's not the government dictating to the employer that a particular employee loses his coverage by statute doesn't mean that it wasn't the government that caused the employer to drop coverage.

It's a common mistake that politicians make when they confuse stated/intended outcomes with what will ACTUALLY happen.
 
2013-02-06 10:33:28 AM
So, Obamacare, designed to get everyone health insurance, is going to cause 7 million people to LOSE their health insurance?

And no one is even the slightest bit upset or curious as to why?  Jezzus H Christ people, wake the Fark Up!

'We have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it' - Nancy Pelosi.
 
2013-02-06 10:34:56 AM
Hydra:

Just because it's not the government firing the worker doesn't mean that the government didn't cause the worker to be fired.

So we can then blame handgun manufactures for murders because they caused them because they produced something that could kill.
 
2013-02-06 10:37:40 AM

xanadian: So we got that going for us. Which is nice...


Well when tax for three years before you start paying out benefits it will help you in the short term.
 
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2013-02-06 10:41:15 AM

Hydra: TNel: sammyk: During the health care debate Mr. Obama had said individuals would be able to keep their plans.


Let the butthurt flow

And he didn't lie.  They can keep their plans, if their employer drops the plan than that's on the employer not the government.  Thanks Republicans for not allowing the passing of HCR without the individual mandate.

That's just like saying you can keep your job if we raise the minimum wage - if your employer fires you (because he can't afford to keep you on), that's on the employer and not the government.

Just because it's not the government firing the worker doesn't mean that the government didn't cause the worker to be fired.

Same thing here - just because it's not the government dictating to the employer that a particular employee loses his coverage by statute doesn't mean that it wasn't the government that caused the employer to drop coverage.

It's a common mistake that politicians make when they confuse stated/intended outcomes with what will ACTUALLY happen.


That's funny.  An employer decides to do something so it's the governments fault.  Why not just blame society?

It's funny how the champions of personal responsibility can't accept responsibility for their own actions.
 
2013-02-06 10:47:55 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: xanadian: So we got that going for us. Which is nice...

Well when tax for three years before you start paying out benefits it will help you in the short term.


So where is this tax? Shouldn't we have been paying it already? I certainly haven't; my refund has gone up each of the past three years.

Oops.
 
2013-02-06 10:51:17 AM
CBO said that this year's tax cuts have changed the incentives for businesses and made it less attractive to pay for insurance

So, they get tax cuts, then use them as an excuse to screw the little guys...

Fkn sociopaths.
 
2013-02-06 10:58:01 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: xanadian: So we got that going for us. Which is nice...

Well when tax for three years before you start paying out benefits it will help you in the short term.


Also remember that this bill was supposed to make healthcare more affordable which has obviously been working since insurance premiums have not just stabilized but have been dropping steadily over the last 2 years.
 
2013-02-06 11:02:08 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: been working since insurance premiums have not just stabilized but have been dropping steadily over the last 2 years.


Actually, mine have. Thanks Obama!
 
2013-02-06 11:07:22 AM
CBO said that this year's tax cuts have changed the incentives for businesses and made it less attractive to pay for insurance, meaning fewer will decide to do so. Instead, they'll choose to pay a penalty to the government, totaling $13 billion in higher fees over the next decade.

Just to make sure this is accurately represented, the Right said exactly this would happen.  It was both predictable and intentional.  During the debate on whether to pass Obamacare, the Right said that it was purposely written in a way that would incentivize businesses to drop health care coverage for their employees and if that were to happen in the future, the left would blame evil ol' business and not the writers of the legislation. 

Well here we are in the future.  And all those predictions have come true.  Anyone who said that a) this was not foreseeable; or b) the fault for this lies solely on businesses is politically pandering to you and lying.

When a business is offering their employees health care one day, then legislation is passed that changes the costs of offering that benefit to employees and then the business stops offering that benefit to their employees the next day, it seems rather absurd to blame the business.  They didn't change anything.  They were voluntarily willing to offer health care coverage to their employees before the law was changed.
 
2013-02-06 11:09:46 AM

SlothB77: the Right said that it was purposely written in a way that would incentivize businesses to drop health care coverage for their employees and if that were to happen in the future, the left would blame evil ol' business and not the writers of the legislation.


Yes, it's Democrats problem that the right, and business owners don't care about workers.
 
2013-02-06 11:18:15 AM
You know, single payer would have avoided this entire scenario.
 
2013-02-06 11:20:11 AM
Since this is a Washington Derp Times link, can someone with a good eye for legalese please track down the actual CBO note referenced in TFA and translate for us?
 
2013-02-06 11:23:19 AM

TNel: And he didn't lie. They can keep their plans, if their employer drops the plan than that's on the employer not the government. Thanks Republicans for not allowing the passing of HCR without the individual mandate.


It was plainly foreseeable that many employers would drop their health care plans the way the law was written.  In fact, the law was intentionally written in such a way that many employers would drop their health care plans.  To believe otherwise is to be very naive.

"Once Obama signs the bill, Obamacare is law. There are several things which happen immediately that will force businesses large and small to off-load their employee benefit health care plans. If, for example, a small business, medium size, large business, any business has health care costs as 14%, 10%, whatever, cost of doing business, it's around that or higher, in this bill, in the Senate bill is an option for employers. You can keep paying your own employee benefits for a while, or you can drop your employee benefits, just pay the government 8%. Pay the government 8% instead of whatever your health care expenses, just pay it to the government, and thereby all those -- it could be that within two years 50 to a hundred million Americans could lose their employer-provided health insurance because there is a big come-on in this bill, an employer can pay the government 8% per year off the top instead of whatever it's costing the employer to provide health care for all the employees, and where do the employees go to get insurance? To the Obama exchanges.

Now, once that happens, the genie out of the bottle business. Once a significant number of businesses have off-loaded their health care benefits and the government is now providing that insurance, how do you stop that?"
  March 5, 2010.  Obvious and coming true.
 
2013-02-06 11:23:20 AM
Corporations making profits, sometimes at record levels, DOW around 14k, some corporations sitting on tons of cash, wages stagnant while prices increasing. Yeah its Obama's fault. Not greed from corporate elite
 
2013-02-06 11:26:01 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: been working since insurance premiums have not just stabilized but have been dropping steadily over the last 2 years.

Actually, mine have. Thanks Obama!


Mine did too.
 
2013-02-06 11:26:50 AM

SlothB77: It was plainly foreseeable that many employers would drop their health care plans the way the law was written.


So at least you admit it's the employers at fault.

But no worries, the resulting backlash and free market will take care of them, amirite?
 
2013-02-06 11:27:15 AM

SlothB77: TNel: And he didn't lie. They can keep their plans, if their employer drops the plan than that's on the employer not the government. Thanks Republicans for not allowing the passing of HCR without the individual mandate.

It was plainly foreseeable that many employers would drop their health care plans the way the law was written.  In fact, the law was intentionally written in such a way that many employers would drop their health care plans.  To believe otherwise is to be very naive.

"Once Obama signs the bill, Obamacare is law. There are several things which happen immediately that will force businesses large and small to off-load their employee benefit health care plans. If, for example, a small business, medium size, large business, any business has health care costs as 14%, 10%, whatever, cost of doing business, it's around that or higher, in this bill, in the Senate bill is an option for employers. You can keep paying your own employee benefits for a while, or you can drop your employee benefits, just pay the government 8%. Pay the government 8% instead of whatever your health care expenses, just pay it to the government, and thereby all those -- it could be that within two years 50 to a hundred million Americans could lose their employer-provided health insurance because there is a big come-on in this bill, an employer can pay the government 8% per year off the top instead of whatever it's costing the employer to provide health care for all the employees, and where do the employees go to get insurance? To the Obama exchanges.

Now, once that happens, the genie out of the bottle business. Once a significant number of businesses have off-loaded their health care benefits and the government is now providing that insurance, how do you stop that?"  March 5, 2010.  Obvious and coming true.


So, what, this is the slippery slops to single payer?  Fine by me.  Private, for-profit insurance companies should never hold sway over our health care needs, and employers would all be better off if they never had to deal with insurance companies again.
 
2013-02-06 11:27:54 AM
There is no way I will pay for healthcare for my hourly employees at my fast food joint.

That is because they are all under 26 and are covered by their parents under Obamacare. But never mind that!
 
2013-02-06 11:29:00 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: So, Obamacare, designed to get everyone health insurance, is going to cause 7 million people to LOSE their health insurance?



 considering this is the moonie times, the truth is probably something totally opposite.
 
2013-02-06 11:30:19 AM
Obamacare will cost seven million workers theirhealth insurance reveal which employers are leeching off the public by foisting their workers onto Medicaid

Edited for accuracy
 
2013-02-06 11:30:57 AM

cameroncrazy1984: SlothB77: the Right said that it was purposely written in a way that would incentivize businesses to drop health care coverage for their employees and if that were to happen in the future, the left would blame evil ol' business and not the writers of the legislation.

Yes, it's Democrats problem that the right, and business owners don't care about workers.


Papa Johns is a business dropping employee health care as a benefit.  Papa Johns isn't in the business of providing health care to people.  They are in the business of delivering pizza.  To say they don't care about their employees because they are dropping the health benefits is absurd.  They will still find people willing to work from them.  You can't make or deliver pizza if you are unhealthy, so of course they want healthy, capable employees.  Its simple: Obamacare is written in such a way that people are steered out of employer-sponsored plans and into the government plans.
 
2013-02-06 11:31:02 AM
Well, he did pass the Republican model for healthcare reform, promoted by Republicans for almost twenty years.
 
2013-02-06 11:31:31 AM

Hydra: TNel: sammyk: During the health care debate Mr. Obama had said individuals would be able to keep their plans.


Let the butthurt flow

And he didn't lie.  They can keep their plans, if their employer drops the plan than that's on the employer not the government.  Thanks Republicans for not allowing the passing of HCR without the individual mandate.

That's just like saying you can keep your job if we raise the minimum wage - if your employer fires you (because he can't afford to keep you on), that's on the employer and not the government.

Just because it's not the government firing the worker doesn't mean that the government didn't cause the worker to be fired.

Same thing here - just because it's not the government dictating to the employer that a particular employee loses his coverage by statute doesn't mean that it wasn't the government that caused the employer to drop coverage.

It's a common mistake that politicians make when they confuse stated/intended outcomes with what will ACTUALLY happen.


Did social security  disability increase its payments?  All these new fark independents are awesome.
 
2013-02-06 11:31:52 AM

doglover: Rich guys who don't want to limit themselves to a smaller yacht this quarter being crybabies about being forced to practice ethical business blaming their moral failings on Obamacare will cost 7 million workers their health insurance.

FTFY subs.


Basically, especially when the article clearly stated that changes in tax law would lead businesses to choose to do this.  Business could also choose not to do this.
 
2013-02-06 11:33:40 AM
The health insurance model of employer-provided coverage sprang into existence due to the anomaly of wage and price controls after WWII, and economists of every stripe have long since concurred that it has outlived its usefulness.
 
2013-02-06 11:33:51 AM
lets get move to the single payer system. There is no reason for insurance companies to exist.
 
2013-02-06 11:34:10 AM
Obamacare will cost seven million workers their health insurance. Stupid hack CBO

The evil socialist commie Obamacare, or their squeaky clean all holy job creator employers?
 
2013-02-06 11:34:10 AM

SlothB77: Papa Johns is a business dropping employee health care as a benefit.


No, he reversed that position when everyone called him a douchebag over 11 cents per pizza.
 
2013-02-06 11:34:38 AM

SlothB77: cameroncrazy1984: SlothB77: the Right said that it was purposely written in a way that would incentivize businesses to drop health care coverage for their employees and if that were to happen in the future, the left would blame evil ol' business and not the writers of the legislation.

Yes, it's Democrats problem that the right, and business owners don't care about workers.

Papa Johns is a business dropping employee health care as a benefit.  Papa Johns isn't in the business of providing health care to people.  They are in the business of delivering pizza.  To say they don't care about their employees because they are dropping the health benefits is absurd.  They will still find people willing to work from them.  You can't make or deliver pizza if you are unhealthy, so of course they want healthy, capable employees.  Its simple: Obamacare is written in such a way that people are steered out of employer-sponsored plans and into the government plans.


It sounds like that's part of Papa John's business model.
 
2013-02-06 11:34:39 AM
This might be Obama's greatest troll of all time.  Force people to see the stupidity of private insurance companies tied to your employment.  I could never understand why private companies weren't coming out in droves to support something like single payer, and get that burden shifted somewhere else.
 
2013-02-06 11:35:00 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'We have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it' - Nancy Pelosi.


Pants on fire.
 
2013-02-06 11:35:21 AM

meat0918: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: been working since insurance premiums have not just stabilized but have been dropping steadily over the last 2 years.

Actually, mine have. Thanks Obama!

Mine did too.


What?! The hell you say. Mine stayed exactly the same.

Thanks for nothing, Obama!

/Canadian.
 
2013-02-06 11:36:04 AM

SlothB77: Papa Johns is a business dropping employee health care as a benefit.


When did this happen? The Papa Johns story was that the employees do not currently have health care as a benefit and he biatched about the few cents it would add to the cost of a pizza to conform to the new regulations and give it to them.

Of course when he received negative press he hired a PR firm to try and erase his comments from the internet. It seems that people don't like buying food made by people who don't have health care and they don't like whiny multimillionaires who complain about having to spend a relatively small amount of money to do the right thing for their employees.
 
2013-02-06 11:36:29 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: You know, single payer would have avoided this entire scenario.


It really is awesome to go to the doctor or the hospital and not have to deal with 1) a bill and 2) a long phone call arguing with your insurance. You flash your health card, you get treated, you go home.  Now it's certainly not perfect - not everything is covered and wait times can be an issue, but it's pretty fantastic.
 
2013-02-06 11:37:01 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, what, this is the slippery slops to single payer?


Abso - farking - lutely.  There are predictions about how Obamacare squeezes out private health plans altogether.  It won't happen overnight, but it was predictable even before Obamacare was passed.  Move people from employer-sponsored plans to government plans, eliminate private health plans.  Pretty soon all that is left is single payer.  We tried to explain that to people so they could be convinced to vote against Obamacare.
 
2013-02-06 11:37:21 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: You know, single payer would have avoided this entire scenario.


This.  How long do we, as a society, have to go over this before we realize that a purely private healthcare system is a joke, and we're the punchline?
 
2013-02-06 11:37:56 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'We have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it' - Nancy Pelosi.


You are so cute when you think you have a point.

*pinches LCW's cheek*
 
2013-02-06 11:37:57 AM

dirtyeffinhippie: I could never understand why private companies weren't coming out in droves to support something like single payer, and get that burden shifted somewhere else.


It offers them an additional layer of control over their employees.
 
2013-02-06 11:38:37 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: slippery slops


That sounds dirty...and HOT!
 
2013-02-06 11:38:43 AM

cameroncrazy1984: SlothB77: Papa Johns is a business dropping employee health care as a benefit.

No, he reversed that position when everyone called him a douchebag over 11 cents per pizza.


Ok, i was just using them as an example.  Replace Papa Johns with XXX company that is dropping their employee health care benefit.
 
2013-02-06 11:38:53 AM

SlothB77: Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, what, this is the slippery slops to single payer?

Abso - farking - lutely.  There are predictions about how Obamacare squeezes out private health plans altogether.  It won't happen overnight, but it was predictable even before Obamacare was passed.  Move people from employer-sponsored plans to government plans, eliminate private health plans.  Pretty soon all that is left is single payer.  We tried to explain that to people so they could be convinced to vote against Obamacare.


Predictions from heritage.org. I see. You're a liar. Or at troll level: master. I can't tell, yet.
 
2013-02-06 11:39:27 AM

dirtyeffinhippie: This might be Obama's greatest troll of all time.  Force people to see the stupidity of private insurance companies tied to your employment.  I could never understand why private companies weren't coming out in droves to support something like single payer, and get that burden shifted somewhere else.


Because economic rationalism is bunk. Simple as that. Companies are more or less uncontrollable Gestalt predators in terms of their behavior, but when it comes time for a "company" to "support" something, that's on a handful of capitalists sitting at a big table. Unlike what the Randroids try to sell, being successful at business does not grant one the eyes of God. They will be as stupid and shortsighted as any group of dudes who got theirs.
 
2013-02-06 11:39:31 AM
As someone who has had my employer fark up my health insurance multiple times I'd say that what Obama care does is equalize things.  Yes, there will be unexpected consequences.  They can't possibly be worse then the 1K$ advil or the 10K for changing a sheet which is in vogue in hospitals around the country today.

Oh and F the moonie times.  I wouldn't wipe dogshiat off my shoes with it.
 
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