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(The New Yorker)   Dr. Oz might be a "quack". First clue: he's on television   (newyorker.com) divider line 31
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2013-02-06 10:51:19 AM
6 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.

ftfa:

Oz graduated from Harvard University in 1982. Four years later, he received joint medical and M.B.A. degrees from the University of Pennsylvania. He then moved to Columbia and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, where, as a surgeon specializing in heart transplants, he has served as vice-chairman and professor in the department of surgery for more than twenty years. (He still performs operations there each Thursday.) Oz also directs Columbia's Cardiovascular Institute and Integrative Medicine Program, which he established in 1994, and has published scores of articles on technical issues, such as how to preserve muscle tissue during mitral-valve replacements. He holds a patent on a solution that can preserve organs and one on an aortic valve that can be implanted without highly invasive open-heart surgery


Yes, but when he hawks shiat like this:

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/miracle-fat-burner-bottle

He is no more than a snake oil salesman out to bamboozle a gullible public.
2013-02-06 12:22:42 PM
4 votes:

kid_icarus: Ah, so it sounds like he's falling down the same rabbit hole a lot of professional TV personalities do...they start out fairly noble but eventually compromise their principles for the sake of ratings.


The issue I have is how he presents things...

What an ethical Dr. would say is "There is a very limited-scope study that suggests that _______ may be able to help people lose weight/lower their cholesterol/reduce their chances of heart disease.  No clinical trials have been done, and further studies need to be conducted, but if you're interested in trying it, this is the dosage they used in the study."

What Oz says is "This is THE greatest thing ever.  Want to lose weight/etc?  Studies SHOW that this works.  Take 1000mg of this three times a day, and this is the brand I recommend."

I have a number of idiot relatives who rush out to GNC every time this dickhead recommends something new, always saying "Dr. Oz says..."


He might be an accomplished cardiac surgeon, but if he pushed this kind of "science" in funded clinical trials, or attempted to publish it in a legitimate journal, his peers would eat him alive.
2013-02-06 09:44:15 AM
4 votes:
Who knew housewives with very little education would fall victim to bad health advice because it's on the TV?
2013-02-06 02:10:22 PM
3 votes:

Babbs: I dunno. Some of the best advice Dr Oz gave was to stop using toilet paper and start using wipes. My bum thanks him.


and so will your plumber when the pipes in your house get plugged up as a result of you flushing shiat down the toilet that doesn't belong there.
2013-02-06 12:18:03 PM
3 votes:
Second clue: He was on Oprah Winfrey's show, a mecca for quacks.
2013-02-06 11:49:56 AM
3 votes:

ignatius_crumbcake: tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.

ftfa:

Oz graduated from Harvard University in 1982. Four years later, he received joint medical and M.B.A. degrees from the University of Pennsylvania. He then moved to Columbia and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, where, as a surgeon specializing in heart transplants, he has served as vice-chairman and professor in the department of surgery for more than twenty years. (He still performs operations there each Thursday.) Oz also directs Columbia's Cardiovascular Institute and Integrative Medicine Program, which he established in 1994, and has published scores of articles on technical issues, such as how to preserve muscle tissue during mitral-valve replacements. He holds a patent on a solution that can preserve organs and one on an aortic valve that can be implanted without highly invasive open-heart surgery

Yes, but when he hawks shiat like this:

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/miracle-fat-burner-bottle

He is no more than a snake oil salesman out to bamboozle a gullible public.


it's not just that...

this week it's "white bean extract is the miracle weight loss product"  the week before it was "Raspberry ketones are the miracle weight loss product" the week before it was "Green Coffee Extract is the miracle weight loss product" and so on.  If you ate the recommended daily dose of all the sh*t he says are miracle cures, it would cost you $3,000 a day and you'd be swallowing capsules from dawn to dusk.
2013-02-06 11:01:43 AM
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.


Despite being a well respected cardiologist in his real practice, he's a quack on TV.
2013-02-06 10:46:13 AM
3 votes:
I don't even take the word of my own doctor without doing some research myself.
2013-02-06 08:05:22 AM
3 votes:
Yeah, but he's like porn for hypochondriacs.
2013-02-06 01:58:50 PM
2 votes:
A better write up and response to Oz's quackery:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/a-skeptic-in-oz/
2013-02-06 01:53:55 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.

ftfa:

Oz graduated from Harvard University in 1982. Four years later, he received joint medical and M.B.A. degrees from the University of Pennsylvania. He then moved to Columbia and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, where, as a surgeon specializing in heart transplants, he has served as vice-chairman and professor in the department of surgery for more than twenty years. (He still performs operations there each Thursday.) Oz also directs Columbia's Cardiovascular Institute and Integrative Medicine Program, which he established in 1994, and has published scores of articles on technical issues, such as how to preserve muscle tissue during mitral-valve replacements. He holds a patent on a solution that can preserve organs and one on an aortic valve that can be implanted without highly invasive open-heart surgery


And yet, in spite of that, he still shills for homeopathy and quackery.

That actually makes it worse.
2013-02-06 01:10:31 PM
2 votes:
"Dr Oz won the James Randi Educational Foundation's Pigasus Award (Media section) in 2010 and 2011 for doing "such a disservice to his TV viewers by promoting quack medical practices that he is now the first person to win a Pigasus two years in a row."
2013-02-06 12:40:39 PM
2 votes:
2013-02-06 12:33:51 PM
2 votes:
From near the bottom of the article:

On October 17th, Oz broadcast a program titled "GMO Foods: Are They Dangerous to Your Health?" Oz was not subtle. "You're probably eating them right now and don't even know," he began, darkly invoking "the brave new world of food. Are they safe?" Oz then introduced Jeffrey Smith, the author of "Genetic Roulette," who says that engineered foods may cause many serious diseases, including colitis, asthma, and cancer. Smith has also made a film version of the book; Oz, for the sake of full disclosure, noted that "my wife, Lisa, was a narrator in Jeffrey's film." He added that no scientists were willing to share the stage with Smith. "So today we are doing something we have never done before," Oz said. "After Jeffrey makes his points, he has to leave the stage before we can speak with the scientists in favor of genetically modified foods." Other than to say that Smith was controversial, Oz did not indicate why no scientists would appear with him.

When I asked Lisa about her involvement, she said that Smith presented a point of view that needed to be heard, and that the safety of genetically modified foods has not been proved. "I think Mehmet and I both feel, in general, that our mission is to empower the viewer or reader," she said. "To give them the most information and the greatest number of tools they can use to make their own choices."

On the show, Oz identified Smith as a scientist, but Smith has no experience in genetics or agriculture, and has no scientific degree from any institution. He studied business at the Maharishi International University, founded by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Before the show aired, Bruce Chassy, a noted molecular biologist, wrote to Oz; he is a founder of Academics Review, a group of researchers who often debunk popular scientific claims. Chassy is professor emeritus in the department of food science and human nutrition at the University of Illinois. "As a public-sector scientist, researcher, and academic administrator with more than forty years' experience, I am appalled that any medical professional would give a platform to the likes of Mr. Jeffrey Smith to impart health information to the public," Chassy wrote. "His only professional experience prior to taking up his crusade against biotechnology is as a ballroom-dance teacher, yogic flying instructor, and political candidate for the Maharishi cult's natural-law party."


Yeah, I'm going to have to call him a quack.
2013-02-06 10:44:04 AM
2 votes:
Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.

ftfa:

Oz graduated from Harvard University in 1982. Four years later, he received joint medical and M.B.A. degrees from the University of Pennsylvania. He then moved to Columbia and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, where, as a surgeon specializing in heart transplants, he has served as vice-chairman and professor in the department of surgery for more than twenty years. (He still performs operations there each Thursday.) Oz also directs Columbia's Cardiovascular Institute and Integrative Medicine Program, which he established in 1994, and has published scores of articles on technical issues, such as how to preserve muscle tissue during mitral-valve replacements. He holds a patent on a solution that can preserve organs and one on an aortic valve that can be implanted without highly invasive open-heart surgery
2013-02-06 10:38:52 AM
2 votes:
I take my TV doctor advice from Dr. Johnny Fever.

/boooger!
2013-02-06 04:03:33 PM
1 votes:

kvinesknows: is it me or does his voice sound like he is always sucking a lozenge?


This.
Oz is one of those people to whom I cannot listen because of the voice. Remember the Seinfeld episode with Kramer reacting to Mary Hart? Others that drive me nuts are Joan Rivers, Joy Behar, Rachel Ray, and Walter in Fringe.

That, and he believes in Therapeutic Touch and a lot of other complete horseshiat.
2013-02-06 04:03:11 PM
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: You never trust anything that's hawked during daytime tv. It's like all the shiat Oprah suggests or like when Dr.Phil pretends he's a doctor. This guy might actually be a surgeon but it doesn't mean any of the crap he says on tv is good.


I'm pretty convinced at this point that anybody who watches daytime network TV on a regular basis is somebody I don't want to know.

The crap that plays between about 9:00 AM and 5:00 PM is usually some of the most inane, mindless, chicken-brained chatter that can be put in front of a camera and I cannot imagine how it would be possible to actually listen to it for any period of time without going insane if you had even a mildly operative brain in your head.

What I'm getting at here is that people who watch daytime TV must be complete and absolute morons and that's probably why they have the time in the middle of a workday to be watching it.
/ thank god for Netflix on sick days....
2013-02-06 03:41:59 PM
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: You never trust anything that's hawked during daytime tv. It's like all the shiat Oprah suggests or like when Dr.Phil pretends he's a doctor. This guy might actually be a surgeon but it doesn't mean any of the crap he says on tv is good.


Umm, Dr. Phil is a doctor he not an MD but he's still a Doctor. Hell even Shaq has a doctorate degree.
2013-02-06 02:45:40 PM
1 votes:
Oz is a narcissist and that makes him dangerous.
2013-02-06 02:18:54 PM
1 votes:

Gosling: Robert1966: Here's how dickheads like Dr. Oz sleep at night: they make sure to use hedge words like "may" or "can." "Dung beetle balls may help fight cholesterol" only means that dung beetle balls are not proven not to help fight cholesterol (and "help" is another hedge).

Oh, yeah. Marketing major means those words are flashing red warning lights in my head. You can say damn near anything after 'help'. A car may help get you to the sun. Sure, if you undergo all the training to be an astronaut first, there's a space shuttle program and you're selected to go, a car a can help get you there... by transporting you from the hotel to the launch site so you can board the shuttle. And also there's no guarantee that you'll get BACK from the sun, but that part wasn't promised.


17 years in radio, so I have become a constant student of marketing.  It simply amazes me the shady-ass way some ads are worded.  Between that and ridiculously fine print disclaimers, that are unrreadable unless its on Jerry Jones' big screen, I don't trust a damn thing for sale anymore.  When they started allowing prescription meds to advertise, all it did was create a style that allows snake-oil ads to appear more legit.
2013-02-06 01:54:44 PM
1 votes:
Here's how dickheads like Dr. Oz sleep at night: they make sure to use hedge words like "may" or "can." "Dung beetle balls may help fight cholesterol" only means that dung beetle balls are not proven not to help fight cholesterol (and "help" is another hedge).
2013-02-06 01:02:36 PM
1 votes:
He's friendly with John Edwards and his wife practices Reiki and considers homeopathy "worth considering" and endorses "reparative therapy of homosexuals".  I wouldn't turn to him for advice. I'd turn to my golf buddies.

The apple juice bit was right for the wrong reasons. Kids shouldn't drink apple juice because ITS MOSTLY FRUCTOSE. Better off with water or flavored water.
2013-02-06 12:57:03 PM
1 votes:
Article was a little long-winded without getting into some of the worst of what he does or endorses.

Look up skeptics guide to the universe or Steven novella and dr. Oz.

Oz endorses everything from charlatan psychics to various types of magic water (diluted water) and a wide range of hokum in between.

Following advice from his show can actually be harmful and detrimental to the health of people who choose to ignore or bypass actual scientific treatment to conditions they may have.
2013-02-06 12:49:14 PM
1 votes:
www.johnnygoodtimes.com

You see? It's ok, he saw it on the television.
2013-02-06 12:46:04 PM
1 votes:
Well, TV isn't an automatic quackifier. You've got Sanjay Gupta on TV too and he absolutely knows what the fark he's doing.
2013-02-06 12:44:23 PM
1 votes:
Frankly, I'm with Butters

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2013-02-06 12:35:47 PM
1 votes:
His daughter is kind of cute though.
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2013-02-06 12:31:11 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.


Can't he be both?

/not subby
2013-02-06 11:58:45 AM
1 votes:
I can't stand his daytime show.  The show's discussion of topics are highly superficial.  On several occasions, they've had very important questions come up that are ignored because they're on such a tight time schedule to move onto the next topic.

Then there are the commercials.  Holy fark, they play a lot of commercials.  It is completely unbearable without the DVR.


/would rather watch or listen to a show with Dr. Drew Pinsky
2013-02-06 11:51:21 AM
1 votes:

Timmy the Tumor: ignatius_crumbcake: tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, Oz is a highly accomplished doctor.  Can't believe you would call him a quack.

ftfa:

Oz graduated from Harvard University in 1982. Four years later, he received joint medical and M.B.A. degrees from the University of Pennsylvania. He then moved to Columbia and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, where, as a surgeon specializing in heart transplants, he has served as vice-chairman and professor in the department of surgery for more than twenty years. (He still performs operations there each Thursday.) Oz also directs Columbia's Cardiovascular Institute and Integrative Medicine Program, which he established in 1994, and has published scores of articles on technical issues, such as how to preserve muscle tissue during mitral-valve replacements. He holds a patent on a solution that can preserve organs and one on an aortic valve that can be implanted without highly invasive open-heart surgery

Yes, but when he hawks shiat like this:

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/miracle-fat-burner-bottle

He is no more than a snake oil salesman out to bamboozle a gullible public.

it's not just that...

this week it's "white bean extract is the miracle weight loss product"  the week before it was "Raspberry ketones are the miracle weight loss product" the week before it was "Green Coffee Extract is the miracle weight loss product" and so on.  If you ate the recommended daily dose of all the sh*t he says are miracle cures, it would cost you $3,000 a day and you'd be swallowing capsules from dawn to dusk.


Stupid Dr. Oz... Everyone knows that masturbating 37.5 times a day is the REAL miracle weight loss cure.
 
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