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2013-02-06 10:50:09 AM
Rewording:

When the country that gives you all your food says back up you should back the hell up.
 
2013-02-06 11:44:08 AM
China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.
 
2013-02-06 11:44:19 AM
Can we just free the shiat out of that pisshole of country now?
 
2013-02-06 11:49:11 AM

JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.


That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.
 
2013-02-06 11:50:52 AM
North Korea is the fat chick that China goes clubbing with to make herself look good.
 
2013-02-06 11:51:39 AM
"China is extremely concerned by the way things are going. We oppose any behavior which may exacerbate the situation and any acts which are not beneficial towards the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

She is basically saying to NK we DO NOT want 30 millions NK refugess crossing over our borders because your dear leader decides to fark up his own country.
 
2013-02-06 11:52:30 AM
"We oppose any behavior which may exacerbate the situation and any acts which are not beneficial towards the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula,"

Actual meaning:

"Don't impose sanctions on them. This is your fault, leave the North Koreans alone"
 
2013-02-06 11:52:58 AM

SuperNinjaToad: "China is extremely concerned by the way things are going. We oppose any behavior which may exacerbate the situation and any acts which are not beneficial towards the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

She is basically saying to NK we DO NOT want 30 millions NK refugess crossing over our borders because your dear leader decides to fark up his own country.


exactly
 
2013-02-06 11:55:11 AM
It's a good thing that China props up NK. They'd probably be the top economy if they wren't spending cash propping up NK's failed state.
 
2013-02-06 11:55:38 AM
I'm also worried about urine in soda products.
 
2013-02-06 11:59:01 AM

darth_badger: I'm also worried about urine in soda products.


You play joke.
 
2013-02-06 12:01:29 PM
thiswillendbadly.jpg

but hey.. another Korean war would mean another season of M*A*S*H.  Now I'm torn over what to root for...
 
2013-02-06 12:02:42 PM
Give back the Pueblo.
 
2013-02-06 12:03:12 PM
Eh, China objects to the U.S. allowing citizens complain about China and own firearms, so they objection isn't necessarily the hallmark of a terrible thing.
 
2013-02-06 12:06:24 PM

Arkanaut: North Korea is the fat chick that China goes clubbing with to make herself look good.


Oh, you mean 'ring man'.
 
2013-02-06 12:07:50 PM
I'm not sure how excited I should be about this story, since just a few days ago China also expressed their extreme concern over Japan adding a whopping 287 members to their military force:  http://latestnews.thefiscaltimes.com/?p=65002

Do 287 Japanese soldiers= 1 NK nuke? Maybe if they're all ninjas...
 
2013-02-06 12:08:03 PM
Can't we all just get along? :-(
 
2013-02-06 12:08:34 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.


The biggest problem outside the refugees would be how much damage could they do in the South before they're put down.
 
2013-02-06 12:12:16 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.


No one wants North Korea to fall.  Not China, nor Russia, nor Japan, nor South Korea, nor the US.  All potential outcomes are bad, short of NK coming out of the dark ages.  Really, the only reason they need an army is to keep their people in, because no one wants to touch the country even with a hundred foot long pole.  They could invite any country to annex them or agree to total reunification with South Korea in total charge over the North, and we'd all avoid it like the plague.
 
2013-02-06 12:17:40 PM

LrdPhoenix: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.

No one wants North Korea to fall.  Not China, nor Russia, nor Japan, nor South Korea, nor the US.  All potential outcomes are bad, short of NK coming out of the dark ages.  Really, the only reason they need an army is to keep their people in, because no one wants to touch the country even with a hundred foot long pole.  They could invite any country to annex them or agree to total reunification with South Korea in total charge over the North, and we'd all avoid it like the plague.


pretty much it. For some reason a lot of 'ignorant' folks are wanting to go to war or obliterate NK not knowing the end result is far worst for everyone than status quo.

China is propping up NK because they have no choice as any other alternative are far worst. They also have a LOT less influence on NK's leadership than what most Americans think. NK does their own insane crazy thing. They are far from being China's puppet state.
 
2013-02-06 12:20:45 PM
And I thought that tubby bastard Kim-Jong-Ching-Chong was supposed to moderate the country. Maybe China can put its massive manufacturing infrastructure to good use and build a giant dome to cover the northern half of the peninsula.
 
2013-02-06 12:20:57 PM
Hi, I'm stoplurklisten, I'm a libbylib on almost every way except for military intervention to prevent attacks upon our nation. Yes, I support the Bush Doctrine.

We will not allow an unstable party to acquire a credible nuclear threat to the United States. At the moment they do not have reliable intercontinental missiles nor reliable warheads to put on them; are we supposed to wait until they detonate a warhead over Dallas or Seattle to act?

No, I think their repeated provocations make their intentions clear. They are pursuing a goal to strike the United States. Failure to act now only increases the death toll when we DO act.

Take them out. Now.
 
2013-02-06 12:23:14 PM
My post was meant as a joke. I don't want to punish or obliterate the people of Best Korea because they have a mentally unstable fat-ass kid running the country. Although I'm sure he's more just a puppet being controlled by other fat-assed mentally unstable morons.
 
2013-02-06 12:23:25 PM
Maybe we should cut off their supply of smart phones.
 
2013-02-06 12:31:24 PM
China's main goal is to keep the N. Korea situation stable. The last thing they need is for a couple million starving N. Koreans flooding over their border.
 
2013-02-06 12:32:44 PM

StopLurkListen: Hi, I'm stoplurklisten, I'm a libbylib on almost every way except for military intervention to prevent attacks upon our nation. Yes, I support the Bush Doctrine.

We will not allow an unstable party to acquire a credible nuclear threat to the United States. At the moment they do not have reliable intercontinental missiles nor reliable warheads to put on them; are we supposed to wait until they detonate a warhead over Dallas or Seattle to act?

No, I think their repeated provocations make their intentions clear. They are pursuing a goal to strike the United States. Failure to act now only increases the death toll when we DO act.

Take them out. Now.




Which country is next on the list?
 
2013-02-06 12:34:17 PM

JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.


Not really, because then the flood of refugees would enter China. That's the main reason they put up with NK's nonsense. Keeping them from completely imploding is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier than having to fix their problems or help the populace. I doubt anyone outside of South Korea would so much as wag a finger at China if they went in and conquered NK, making it part of China. It'll never happen though, because bringing North Korea up to Chinese standards of health and economic viability would be a major drain on China's overall economy for years.
 
2013-02-06 12:39:21 PM

StoPPeRmobile: StopLurkListen: Hi, I'm stoplurklisten, I'm a libbylib on almost every way except for military intervention to prevent attacks upon our nation. Yes, I support the Bush Doctrine.

We will not allow an unstable party to acquire a credible nuclear threat to the United States. At the moment they do not have reliable intercontinental missiles nor reliable warheads to put on them; are we supposed to wait until they detonate a warhead over Dallas or Seattle to act?

No, I think their repeated provocations make their intentions clear. They are pursuing a goal to strike the United States. Failure to act now only increases the death toll when we DO act.

Take them out. Now.



Which country is next on the list?


The other nations with whom were are currently in a state of war? None.

The other nations which have explicitly threatened a specific American city with nuclear annihilation as a negotiating tactic? None.
 
2013-02-06 12:40:05 PM
Whats Chinese for "derp"?
 
2013-02-06 12:46:36 PM

amindtat: I'm not sure how excited I should be about this story, since just a few days ago China also expressed their extreme concern over Japan adding a whopping 287 members to their military force:  http://latestnews.thefiscaltimes.com/?p=65002

Do 287 Japanese soldiers= 1 NK nuke? Maybe if they're all ninjas...


Each one is a gundam pilot
 
2013-02-06 12:52:34 PM
stuffy: Whats Chinese for "derp"?

derp?
 
2013-02-06 01:02:29 PM
Well of course China doesn't want NK to recklessly start a war on their western border! Not while they're trying to recklessly start a war on their eastern border over the Whateverthey'recalled Islands.
Jeez, I mean you can have too much of a good thing you know.
 
2013-02-06 01:07:39 PM
As North Korea is to China, so the Republican Party is to America.

Waitiminnit! I see a solution to both problems! Send our teabaggers over to Best Korea. Each one could probably feed a NK family for a month!
 
2013-02-06 01:15:18 PM
In May 1999, a North Korean military leader launched talks in Pyongyang by verbally attacking former Defense Secretary William Perry, first by calling him the enemy and then threatening to attack the California city where Perry lives, said Sherman, who was there.

The North Korean said if the United States didn't agree with North Korean demands, "he would bring a sea of fire to Palo Alto, Calif.," said Sherman.


Your choice. We can end it sooner, or later, and later will be this:
i113.photobucket.com

Except they'll be using this:
i52.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 01:19:46 PM
Why scary tag?  This is trending toward China 'fixing' the NK 'problem' with zero action on our part, which is wonderful.  Team America - not always World Police.
 
2013-02-06 01:31:59 PM

Fano: amindtat: I'm not sure how excited I should be about this story, since just a few days ago China also expressed their extreme concern over Japan adding a whopping 287 members to their military force:  http://latestnews.thefiscaltimes.com/?p=65002

Do 287 Japanese soldiers= 1 NK nuke? Maybe if they're all ninjas...

Each one is a gundam pilot


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-06 01:32:22 PM

StopLurkListen: In May 1999, a North Korean military leader launched talks in Pyongyang by verbally attacking former Defense Secretary William Perry, first by calling him the enemy and then threatening to attack the California city where Perry lives, said Sherman, who was there.

The North Korean said if the United States didn't agree with North Korean demands, "he would bring a sea of fire to Palo Alto, Calif.," said Sherman.

Your choice. We can end it sooner, or later, and later will be this:
[i113.photobucket.com image 492x550]

Except they'll be using this:
[i52.photobucket.com image 600x753]


Go sit in your bomb shelter, we'll let you know when it's safe to re-emerge.
 
2013-02-06 01:35:57 PM
What is up with all the bad grammar in this thread?
 
2013-02-06 01:45:33 PM

Snargi: What is up with all the bad grammar in this thread?


i haz cheezeburger
 
2013-02-06 01:48:37 PM
This is the best Best Korean strategy; give us food, supplies, and money, or else.  It's worked on us for a very long time now.  It might finally be time to just say "Come at me, bro!"  Put up or shut up.  My guess is they'd shut up.
 
2013-02-06 01:52:11 PM
Stuffy Whats Chinese for "derp"?


废话   "Fei Hua"
 
2013-02-06 02:02:31 PM

Grapple: thiswillendbadly.jpg

but hey.. another Korean war would mean another season of M*A*S*H.  Now I'm torn over what to root for...


M*A*S*H was about the Vietnam war. It was just too soon, so they used the Korean war's face to avoid backlash.


Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.


Yeah, the first fallout would be where they bomb the living fark out of Seoul with artillery fire.

This is not a simple problem.
 
2013-02-06 02:30:48 PM

waterrockets: Grapple: thiswillendbadly.jpg

but hey.. another Korean war would mean another season of M*A*S*H.  Now I'm torn over what to root for...

M*A*S*H was about the Vietnam war. It was just too soon, so they used the Korean war's face to avoid backlash.


Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.

Yeah, the first fallout would be where they bomb the living fark out of Seoul with artillery fire.

This is not a simple problem.


See my post above.
 
2013-02-06 02:43:05 PM
China is finally acting like a World Power?  Excellent.

Yes China, if you "fix" this problem then the world, your trading partners, will look at you differently.
They will feel more comfortable dealing with you on the global stage because you have demonstrated your ability to "reduce tensions."

This is a good thing.
Carry on.
 
2013-02-06 02:49:51 PM
China :: North Korea
GOP :: Tea Party

You created the little monster.
 
2013-02-06 03:06:27 PM

SirEattonHogg: Stuffy Whats Chinese for "derp"?


废话   "Fei Hua"


I was going to go with feng pei.
 
2013-02-06 03:06:39 PM

you have pee hands: Why scary tag?  This is trending toward China 'fixing' the NK 'problem' with zero action on our part, which is wonderful.  Team America - not always World Police.


China kind of made a deal with the Joker... they have influence but Nkorea is calculated but crazy...
 
2013-02-06 03:07:54 PM

ethics-gradient: Well of course China doesn't want NK to recklessly start a war on their western border! Not while they're trying to recklessly start a war on their eastern border over the Whateverthey'recalled Islands.
Jeez, I mean you can have too much of a good thing you know.


Not sure if serious. Spratley islands are almost due south of Korea.
 
2013-02-06 03:13:17 PM
Only way i see a way for NK to be dealt with. That dose not end with soul being turning into a waste land or millions of refuges heading for china boards is. For some nation to turn the current government into nothing more then a puppet government in such a way as the people of NK don't know.  Then use said puppet government to slowly bring standers up to the rest of the world and such.
 
jvl
2013-02-06 03:22:29 PM
A country run by a "Cult of Self-Reliance" is not likely to be dissuaded by the threat of taking away assistance.
 
2013-02-06 03:40:43 PM

SuperNinjaToad: "China is extremely concerned by the way things are going. We oppose any behavior which may exacerbate the situation and any acts which are not beneficial towards the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

She is basically saying to NK we DO NOT want 30 millions NK refugess crossing over our borders because your dear leader decides to fark up his own country.


Yeah, China's foreign policy isn't exactly predicated on the welfare of the human people of the Korean peninsula. Heck, none of China's policies seem to be about the common welfare of man. It's all about control in the guise of regional stability.
 
2013-02-06 04:09:45 PM
North Korea is Chiba's Israel.
 
2013-02-06 04:11:51 PM

super_grass: North Korea is Chiba's Israel.


Yeah. It's exactly the same.

=eyeroll=
 
2013-02-06 04:26:52 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: super_grass: North Korea is Chiba's Israel.

Yeah. It's exactly the same.

=eyeroll=


One is a rogue nuclear state fueled by hatred of its neighbors, make believe doctrine, and is generally disliked by the world. The other is North Korea.
 
2013-02-06 04:43:23 PM
H31N0us ethics-gradient: Well of course China doesn't want NK to recklessly start a war on their western border! Not while they're trying to recklessly start a war on their eastern border over the Whateverthey'recalled Islands.
Jeez, I mean you can have too much of a good thing you know.



Not sure if serious. Spratley islands are almost due south of Korea.

I think he's referring to the Senkaku Islands.  Japan isn't a claimant on the Spratleys.
 
2013-02-06 04:44:13 PM

davidphogan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.

The biggest problem outside the refugees would be how much damage could they do in the South before they're put down.


Which would be, not much. The south spends more on their military alone than the north has in their entire GDP. The north may have a crap ton of boots on the ground, but they are terribly equipped.

The south would be busy turning the whole country into a parking lot before we could even get our carriers turned around.
 
2013-02-06 05:12:18 PM

H31N0US: SirEattonHogg: Stuffy Whats Chinese for "derp"?


废话   "Fei Hua"

I was going to go with feng pei.


I thought it was  蠢驴 chǔn lǘ or 捋管 lǚguǎn ...
 
2013-02-06 06:08:07 PM

jvl: A country run by a "Cult of Self-Reliance" is not likely to be dissuaded by the threat of taking away assistance.


Except the people at the top closest to being sane know that the cult is a load of bs to keep the people from killing them.  The only reason they would rattle their sabers this hard is because they know they need food and supplies yesterday and think that threatening us is the fastest way to get them.
 
2013-02-06 07:13:02 PM
Look, Sam... I'm sorry that Officer Kim is being so hard on you. You deserve a fair chance to share your side, and he really shouldn't have slapped you like that, it was way out of line. I may be wearing a badge, but you can trust good old Officer Hu. Just tell me what I need to know and I'll make sure that Officer Kim doesn't bother you any more, OK?
 
2013-02-06 10:27:13 PM

Bobbar: davidphogan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.

The biggest problem outside the refugees would be how much damage could they do in the South before they're put down.

Which would be, not much. The south spends more on their military alone than the north has in their entire GDP. The north may have a crap ton of boots on the ground, but they are terribly equipped.

The south would be busy turning the whole country into a parking lot before we could even get our carriers turned around.


It's not the boots on the ground that's the problem; it's the thousands of rockets and artillery already primed and aimed at Seoul, ready to be launched as soon as South Korea announces its intentions. The only way for Best Korea to "win" is to decimate the South as they themselves are eliminated, and they know it.
 
2013-02-06 11:40:09 PM

StopLurkListen: Bush


That is hilarious you should mention Bush.  North Korea got nuclear weapons under Bush's careful watch.  He invaded Iraq instead.  It's almost as if N. Korea isn't rich in oil or something...

As for your statement... you are years too late.  They have been a nuclear threat for years now.  This is nothing new, except them testing improvements to their nukes.

The thing about N. Korea, is that - unlike Saddam and unlike the Iranian Regime - these guys are legitimately nuts.  I don't doubt for a minute that they would use their nukes for very little if any reason.  I don't think Iran would, and I don't think Saddam would have(even though he never actually had nukes in the first place).
 
2013-02-07 12:07:59 AM
My solution to the problem:

John Kerry gets on the phone with China, Japan, SK and everyone else he has to again and make this proposal. He should conference in Hillary since they all find her so hot:

"We are concerned that the current METHODS used to give aid to North Korea are only excaberating the problem. From now on, all humanitarian aid from the agreed parties will be in the form of airdropped food rations, primarily in the poorest rural areas where the suffering is most."

Then we VERY CAREFULLY coordinate flights over Best Korea with China and the other North-East Asians and drop crates of MREs into areas where we know folks are starving. This becomes a regular thing and the poor regular NKs start getting the idea that the best food comes from planes flown by concerned neighbors rather than Glorious Leader.

NK can, of course, refuse this aid, since it means people they consider unfriendly are flying over their country, but since we're offering it so generously, and free, that's going to be a very hard choice to make for them.

This way, when the inevitable 'Nuclear Accident' happens in Pongyang and China has to send in troops to carefully evacuate the city and help set up a temporary government, they're spared the wash of refugees over the border. Instead, they are welcomed because they've been taking part in air-dropping food to the starving.

Best Korea becomes a proper puppet state with its new government receiving orders directly from Beijing and China gets to exploit the few resources there... which will probably initially come in the form of cheap labor as Chinese-owned factories start opening up all over.
 
2013-02-07 12:26:57 AM

bk3k: StopLurkListen: Bush

That is hilarious you should mention Bush.  North Korea got nuclear weapons under Bush's careful watch.  He invaded Iraq instead.  It's almost as if N. Korea isn't rich in oil or something...

As for your statement... you are years too late.  They have been a nuclear threat for years now.  This is nothing new, except them testing improvements to their nukes.

The thing about N. Korea, is that - unlike Saddam and unlike the Iranian Regime - these guys are legitimately nuts.  I don't doubt for a minute that they would use their nukes for very little if any reason.  I don't think Iran would, and I don't think Saddam would have(even though he never actually had nukes in the first place).


Why would we invade a country that ALREADY has nukes? That's just a recipe for disaster. The guys that are working on them though...
 
2013-02-07 02:57:20 AM

belhade: Bobbar: davidphogan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor:

It's not the boots on the ground that's the problem; it's the thousands of rockets and artillery already primed and aimed at Seoul, ready to be launched as soon as South Korea announces its intentions. The only way for Best Korea to "win" is to decimate the South as they themselves are eliminated, and they know it.


Overblown threat. most of that artillery is from the 60's or earlier. Nor has it been well up kept due to lack of spare parts. Yeah there would be some damage but not the holocaust some would have us believe.
 
2013-02-07 08:53:02 AM

super_grass: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: super_grass: North Korea is Chiba's Israel.

Yeah. It's exactly the same.

=eyeroll=

One is a rogue nuclear state fueled by hatred of its neighbors, make believe doctrine, and is generally disliked by the world. The other is North Korea.


I bet you thought putting those words together in that order would make you sound intelligent or witty. Oh well.
 
2013-02-08 02:55:47 AM

Fano: bk3k: StopLurkListen: Bush

That is hilarious you should mention Bush.  North Korea got nuclear weapons under Bush's careful watch.  He invaded Iraq instead.  It's almost as if N. Korea isn't rich in oil or something...

As for your statement... you are years too late.  They have been a nuclear threat for years now.  This is nothing new, except them testing improvements to their nukes.

The thing about N. Korea, is that - unlike Saddam and unlike the Iranian Regime - these guys are legitimately nuts.  I don't doubt for a minute that they would use their nukes for very little if any reason.  I don't think Iran would, and I don't think Saddam would have(even though he never actually had nukes in the first place).

Why would we invade a country that ALREADY has nukes? That's just a recipe for disaster. The guys that are working on them though...


There may be no avoiding some degree of disaster regarding N Korea at this point... sooner or later.  As of now they cannot nuke us via missile.  If they could manage to sneak a nuke here by sea, they could do serious damage today.  They can most likely hit Japan with their missiles, but that won't be of much help against us.  They are continuing to improve upon their ballistics tech though - and the fact that they got a satellite into orbit(not a trivial task) is proof of their substantial progress on this front.

Plus their nuclear bombs are not actually very impressive (as far as nukes go) yet, but this is another area they continue to improve upon - thus the testing.  They do this, all while their people starve.  Because the #1 thing that is important to them, is to reign the maximum amount of destruction upon their enemies.

They fully believe this is the correct action.  They are much like crazy religious fundamentalist but without the religion.  Or perhaps it is accurate to say that fierce nationalism IS their religion...  in any case they are not rational actors.

At this point I think any S Korean living in a city near the border is on very dangerous ground.  We certainly could repel their invasion but they have lots of artillery to launch at these cities that could do substantial damage from their side of the border.
 
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