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(Yahoo)   When China is worried you've gone too far off the deep end, maybe it is time to re-evaluate your tactics   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 66
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2013-02-06 03:40:43 PM

SuperNinjaToad: "China is extremely concerned by the way things are going. We oppose any behavior which may exacerbate the situation and any acts which are not beneficial towards the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

She is basically saying to NK we DO NOT want 30 millions NK refugess crossing over our borders because your dear leader decides to fark up his own country.


Yeah, China's foreign policy isn't exactly predicated on the welfare of the human people of the Korean peninsula. Heck, none of China's policies seem to be about the common welfare of man. It's all about control in the guise of regional stability.
 
2013-02-06 04:09:45 PM
North Korea is Chiba's Israel.
 
2013-02-06 04:11:51 PM

super_grass: North Korea is Chiba's Israel.


Yeah. It's exactly the same.

=eyeroll=
 
2013-02-06 04:26:52 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: super_grass: North Korea is Chiba's Israel.

Yeah. It's exactly the same.

=eyeroll=


One is a rogue nuclear state fueled by hatred of its neighbors, make believe doctrine, and is generally disliked by the world. The other is North Korea.
 
2013-02-06 04:43:23 PM
H31N0us ethics-gradient: Well of course China doesn't want NK to recklessly start a war on their western border! Not while they're trying to recklessly start a war on their eastern border over the Whateverthey'recalled Islands.
Jeez, I mean you can have too much of a good thing you know.



Not sure if serious. Spratley islands are almost due south of Korea.

I think he's referring to the Senkaku Islands.  Japan isn't a claimant on the Spratleys.
 
2013-02-06 04:44:13 PM

davidphogan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.

The biggest problem outside the refugees would be how much damage could they do in the South before they're put down.


Which would be, not much. The south spends more on their military alone than the north has in their entire GDP. The north may have a crap ton of boots on the ground, but they are terribly equipped.

The south would be busy turning the whole country into a parking lot before we could even get our carriers turned around.
 
2013-02-06 05:12:18 PM

H31N0US: SirEattonHogg: Stuffy Whats Chinese for "derp"?


废话   "Fei Hua"

I was going to go with feng pei.


I thought it was  蠢驴 chǔn lǘ or 捋管 lǚguǎn ...
 
2013-02-06 06:08:07 PM

jvl: A country run by a "Cult of Self-Reliance" is not likely to be dissuaded by the threat of taking away assistance.


Except the people at the top closest to being sane know that the cult is a load of bs to keep the people from killing them.  The only reason they would rattle their sabers this hard is because they know they need food and supplies yesterday and think that threatening us is the fastest way to get them.
 
2013-02-06 07:13:02 PM
Look, Sam... I'm sorry that Officer Kim is being so hard on you. You deserve a fair chance to share your side, and he really shouldn't have slapped you like that, it was way out of line. I may be wearing a badge, but you can trust good old Officer Hu. Just tell me what I need to know and I'll make sure that Officer Kim doesn't bother you any more, OK?
 
2013-02-06 10:27:13 PM

Bobbar: davidphogan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor: China could end North Korea tomorrow by cutting off fuel and food.

That might take a little while. The US could end it in seconds. But people would get pissed, and the fallout would be a biatch.

The biggest problem outside the refugees would be how much damage could they do in the South before they're put down.

Which would be, not much. The south spends more on their military alone than the north has in their entire GDP. The north may have a crap ton of boots on the ground, but they are terribly equipped.

The south would be busy turning the whole country into a parking lot before we could even get our carriers turned around.


It's not the boots on the ground that's the problem; it's the thousands of rockets and artillery already primed and aimed at Seoul, ready to be launched as soon as South Korea announces its intentions. The only way for Best Korea to "win" is to decimate the South as they themselves are eliminated, and they know it.
 
2013-02-06 11:40:09 PM

StopLurkListen: Bush


That is hilarious you should mention Bush.  North Korea got nuclear weapons under Bush's careful watch.  He invaded Iraq instead.  It's almost as if N. Korea isn't rich in oil or something...

As for your statement... you are years too late.  They have been a nuclear threat for years now.  This is nothing new, except them testing improvements to their nukes.

The thing about N. Korea, is that - unlike Saddam and unlike the Iranian Regime - these guys are legitimately nuts.  I don't doubt for a minute that they would use their nukes for very little if any reason.  I don't think Iran would, and I don't think Saddam would have(even though he never actually had nukes in the first place).
 
2013-02-07 12:07:59 AM
My solution to the problem:

John Kerry gets on the phone with China, Japan, SK and everyone else he has to again and make this proposal. He should conference in Hillary since they all find her so hot:

"We are concerned that the current METHODS used to give aid to North Korea are only excaberating the problem. From now on, all humanitarian aid from the agreed parties will be in the form of airdropped food rations, primarily in the poorest rural areas where the suffering is most."

Then we VERY CAREFULLY coordinate flights over Best Korea with China and the other North-East Asians and drop crates of MREs into areas where we know folks are starving. This becomes a regular thing and the poor regular NKs start getting the idea that the best food comes from planes flown by concerned neighbors rather than Glorious Leader.

NK can, of course, refuse this aid, since it means people they consider unfriendly are flying over their country, but since we're offering it so generously, and free, that's going to be a very hard choice to make for them.

This way, when the inevitable 'Nuclear Accident' happens in Pongyang and China has to send in troops to carefully evacuate the city and help set up a temporary government, they're spared the wash of refugees over the border. Instead, they are welcomed because they've been taking part in air-dropping food to the starving.

Best Korea becomes a proper puppet state with its new government receiving orders directly from Beijing and China gets to exploit the few resources there... which will probably initially come in the form of cheap labor as Chinese-owned factories start opening up all over.
 
2013-02-07 12:26:57 AM

bk3k: StopLurkListen: Bush

That is hilarious you should mention Bush.  North Korea got nuclear weapons under Bush's careful watch.  He invaded Iraq instead.  It's almost as if N. Korea isn't rich in oil or something...

As for your statement... you are years too late.  They have been a nuclear threat for years now.  This is nothing new, except them testing improvements to their nukes.

The thing about N. Korea, is that - unlike Saddam and unlike the Iranian Regime - these guys are legitimately nuts.  I don't doubt for a minute that they would use their nukes for very little if any reason.  I don't think Iran would, and I don't think Saddam would have(even though he never actually had nukes in the first place).


Why would we invade a country that ALREADY has nukes? That's just a recipe for disaster. The guys that are working on them though...
 
2013-02-07 02:57:20 AM

belhade: Bobbar: davidphogan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnAnnArbor:

It's not the boots on the ground that's the problem; it's the thousands of rockets and artillery already primed and aimed at Seoul, ready to be launched as soon as South Korea announces its intentions. The only way for Best Korea to "win" is to decimate the South as they themselves are eliminated, and they know it.


Overblown threat. most of that artillery is from the 60's or earlier. Nor has it been well up kept due to lack of spare parts. Yeah there would be some damage but not the holocaust some would have us believe.
 
2013-02-07 08:53:02 AM

super_grass: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: super_grass: North Korea is Chiba's Israel.

Yeah. It's exactly the same.

=eyeroll=

One is a rogue nuclear state fueled by hatred of its neighbors, make believe doctrine, and is generally disliked by the world. The other is North Korea.


I bet you thought putting those words together in that order would make you sound intelligent or witty. Oh well.
 
2013-02-08 02:55:47 AM

Fano: bk3k: StopLurkListen: Bush

That is hilarious you should mention Bush.  North Korea got nuclear weapons under Bush's careful watch.  He invaded Iraq instead.  It's almost as if N. Korea isn't rich in oil or something...

As for your statement... you are years too late.  They have been a nuclear threat for years now.  This is nothing new, except them testing improvements to their nukes.

The thing about N. Korea, is that - unlike Saddam and unlike the Iranian Regime - these guys are legitimately nuts.  I don't doubt for a minute that they would use their nukes for very little if any reason.  I don't think Iran would, and I don't think Saddam would have(even though he never actually had nukes in the first place).

Why would we invade a country that ALREADY has nukes? That's just a recipe for disaster. The guys that are working on them though...


There may be no avoiding some degree of disaster regarding N Korea at this point... sooner or later.  As of now they cannot nuke us via missile.  If they could manage to sneak a nuke here by sea, they could do serious damage today.  They can most likely hit Japan with their missiles, but that won't be of much help against us.  They are continuing to improve upon their ballistics tech though - and the fact that they got a satellite into orbit(not a trivial task) is proof of their substantial progress on this front.

Plus their nuclear bombs are not actually very impressive (as far as nukes go) yet, but this is another area they continue to improve upon - thus the testing.  They do this, all while their people starve.  Because the #1 thing that is important to them, is to reign the maximum amount of destruction upon their enemies.

They fully believe this is the correct action.  They are much like crazy religious fundamentalist but without the religion.  Or perhaps it is accurate to say that fierce nationalism IS their religion...  in any case they are not rational actors.

At this point I think any S Korean living in a city near the border is on very dangerous ground.  We certainly could repel their invasion but they have lots of artillery to launch at these cities that could do substantial damage from their side of the border.
 
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