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2013-02-06 09:04:29 AM  
If you can't eat the fish, it ain't a great lake.
 
2013-02-06 09:05:11 AM  
But don't worry, climate change is still a liberal hoax because it snowed in Minnesota, amirite?
 
2013-02-06 09:05:35 AM  
So change one of their names to Lake Pluto......fer lulz.
 
2013-02-06 09:05:54 AM  
Gitche Gumee is superior!

/even if you can't swim in it until late August without severe shrinkage
 
2013-02-06 09:06:42 AM  
The story I saw tried to blame this on global warming for the low water levels.  I wonder how much if this is due to more channels being dug around Niagara to power more hydro-electric plants.  Do those increase the amount of water that can flow out of Lake Erie?
 
2013-02-06 09:08:45 AM  
FTFA: Kompoltowicz said the Army corps might reconsider a long-debated proposal to place structures in a river to reduce the flow of water away from Lakes Huron and Lake Michigan, which are connected.

Let's not fix the problem.  It will go away.

/like the lake
 
2013-02-06 09:09:21 AM  
The article is BS. Gilligan just keeps moving the stick closer to shore

/anyone remember that episode?
//cept they thought the island was sinking because he was unwittingly moving the stick out further
 
2013-02-06 09:09:29 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: But don't worry, climate change is still a liberal hoax because it snowed in Minnesota, amirite?


Exactly.  The anecdote trumps the trend, it's how logic works!

in bizarro universe.
 
2013-02-06 09:10:59 AM  
first they came for Pluto, now this.
 
2013-02-06 09:11:20 AM  

Muta: The story I saw tried to blame this on global warming for the low water levels.  I wonder how much if this is due to more channels being dug around Niagara to power more hydro-electric plants.  Do those increase the amount of water that can flow out of Lake Erie?


Short answer: no.  I don't have time to do the math, but look at the sheer volume that was lost from Michigan/Huron (27 inches * hundreds of thousands of square miles).  There's basically no way that any amount of digging could do that.

Also, if the outflow from Lake Erie were significant enough to lower the other lakes, wouldn't that mean that Lake Ontario (into which water from Erie flows) be at a much above average level right now?  Instead, Ontario is also well below average.

So long answer: nnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo.
 
2013-02-06 09:11:54 AM  
The answer is obviously more dredging, creating more demands on nature to fill those lakes.  Eventually they'll just dredge to China and we'll have a direct route for all of our precious material goods.  We could have a dummy waiter system for delivery
 
2013-02-06 09:14:33 AM  
My parents live on Lake Huron,their dock is now completely out of the water and what used to be their shoreline is now covered in grass.
 
2013-02-06 09:15:38 AM  
Having lived on the shores of both Lake Huron and Lake Michigan, this makes me sad.

/I prefer Huron.

//Michigan's Thumb will always be home to me.
 
2013-02-06 09:17:00 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

revenge!!!
 
2013-02-06 09:17:04 AM  
The comments thread is pure comedy gold. Apparently this disproves global warming, because glaciers are supposed to be melting, and so the lakes should be rising, not falling. (Hint: look for the glaciers in the Great Lakes watershed. Find any? Must be high in the porcupine mountains of Michigan.)
 
2013-02-06 09:19:42 AM  

doczoidberg: Having lived on the shores of both Lake Huron and Lake Michigan, this makes me sad.


having been raised on the shore of Lake Michigan, this pisses me off.
Should probably have the michigan militia bomb the pipelines that export the water to idiot desert states that "need" golf courses.
 
2013-02-06 09:20:09 AM  

Muta: The story I saw tried to blame this on global warming for the low water levels.  I wonder how much if this is due to more channels being dug around Niagara to power more hydro-electric plants.  Do those increase the amount of water that can flow out of Lake Erie?


Probably, the article mostly focused on Huron and Michigan though. Living on Georgian Bay I've watched the water level drop noticeably over the last couple decades. Part of the outflow from all the lakes is due to dredging the St. Lawrence shipping channels. I like how the suggestion of dredging interior lake shipping channels and ports made its way into the article...

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-06 09:20:36 AM  

Muta: The story I saw tried to blame this on global warming for the low water levels. I wonder how much if this is due to more channels being dug around Niagara to power more hydro-electric plants. Do those increase the amount of water that can flow out of Lake Erie?


The article does talk about dredging, but not where you are talking about.
 
2013-02-06 09:21:23 AM  
They are shrinking to become highly concentrated super lakes.  The quasars of the lake world.  We should be afraid.
 
2013-02-06 09:21:37 AM  
I wonder how much of the drop is due to the large increase in farm irrigation due to the prolonged drought?  The drought is causing farmers to suck the water table dry.  Has made the lake levels drop further than has been previously recorded?
 
2013-02-06 09:22:24 AM  
But the lake records only go back to 1918 when the Hall of Records was mysteriously washed away.
 
2013-02-06 09:24:17 AM  
I wonder if all the bottled water we drink is affecting the lake levels.  I also flushed my toilet twice this morning.
 
2013-02-06 09:24:57 AM  
Michigan sucks so much, even the lake is trying to get away from it.
 
2013-02-06 09:26:06 AM  
WTFDYW
The article is BS. Gilligan just keeps moving the stick closer to shore

/anyone remember that episode?
//cept they thought the island was sinking because he was unwittingly moving the stick out further


Yeah. Mary Ann wore short shorts and a red plaid blouse tied in a knot. Not up there with wearing a man's white shirt and running around while a monkey threw plastic explosives at her but still nice.

Reminds me - Things to pick up for the wife:
Man's white shirt
plastic explosives
monkey with good throwing arm.
 
2013-02-06 09:27:01 AM  

Apok451: Michigan sucks so much, even the lake is trying to get away from it.


The solution to all of the problems in the world involve bombing ohio and desecrating the corpses of its inhabitants.
also Michigan isn't the state that accidentally sets water on fire somehow.
 
2013-02-06 09:27:12 AM  
Lake "Slightly Better than You?"

/wrong lake, I know
 
2013-02-06 09:27:13 AM  

McFifenstein: doczoidberg: Having lived on the shores of both Lake Huron and Lake Michigan, this makes me sad.

having been raised on the shore of Lake Michigan, this pisses me off.
Should probably have the michigan militia bomb the pipelines that export the water to idiot desert states that "need" golf courses.



I spend five wonderful years in Saint Joseph.

Michigan is a fine lake, she is.
 
2013-02-06 09:27:30 AM  
Check out How the Earth was Made:The Great Lakes , pretty interesting.
 
2013-02-06 09:32:29 AM  

WTFDYW: The article is BS. Gilligan just keeps moving the stick closer to shore

/anyone remember that episode?
//cept they thought the island was sinking because he was unwittingly moving the stick out further


Thanks for confirming that I am an old fart
 
2013-02-06 09:33:38 AM  
It really is bad.  Growing up on Georgian Bay we always used to go to the beach and dive off the raft at the public beach in Parry Sound.  When i was home this summer, we couldn't do that, because the raft was in a foot of water.  You could acfually just walk to it.  Lots of people on the bay have docks that are completely out of the water.

We also have the deepest natural port on the Great Lakes, and we've had to start turning ships away because the water is suddenly too shallow.

I remember having low years a decade or two ago, but these last two years have been crazy.
 
2013-02-06 09:34:49 AM  

Tom_Slick: I wonder how much of the drop is due to the large increase in farm irrigation due to the prolonged drought?  The drought is causing farmers to suck the water table dry.  Has made the lake levels drop further than has been previously recorded?


Not really.  The biggest problem by far is warmer than average winters.  If the lakes freeze over, water can't evaporate in the winter.  Lake Michigan used to freeze almost all the way across during the winter---last winter there was almost no ice on the lake, and the level dropped like crazy.
 
2013-02-06 09:41:29 AM  
Great Lake? More like Alright Lake.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-06 09:45:21 AM  
Meh, anyone can make water evaporate.

Now making the lake catch FIRE!!  THAT was an accomplishment.
 
2013-02-06 09:45:24 AM  
Anyone else with me on the bombing ohio idea?
 
2013-02-06 09:45:40 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: But don't worry, climate change is still a liberal hoax because it snowed in Minnesota, amirite?


But studies have shown that Huron and Michigan fell by 10 to 16 inches because of dredging over the years to deepen the navigational channel in the St. Clair River, most recently in the 1960s. Dredging of the river, which is on the south end of Lake Huron, accelerated the flow of water southward from the two lakes toward Lake Erie and Lake Ontario, and eventually into the Atlantic Ocean.

Yes, let's blame it all on one scapegoat.  Instead, maybe you should blame it just plain on nearsighted humans.  Who'd have thought that dredging the waterways would mean more waterflow?
 
2013-02-06 09:49:16 AM  

McFifenstein: Apok451: Michigan sucks so much, even the lake is trying to get away from it.

The solution to all of the problems in the world involve bombing ohio and desecrating the corpses of its inhabitants.
also Michigan isn't the state that accidentally sets water on fire somehow.


WERE NOT DETROIT!
 
2013-02-06 09:52:15 AM  

McFifenstein: Anyone else with me on the bombing ohio idea?


Says the guy from Philly....
 
2013-02-06 09:54:32 AM  

bhcompy: Yes, let's blame it all on one scapegoat.  Instead, maybe you should blame it just plain on nearsighted humans.  Who'd have thought that dredging the waterways would mean more waterflow?


I'll repeat my question from above: If Michigan and Huron are lower due to increased outflow into Erie/Ontario, why are the latter two lakes ALSO lower than average.  Wouldn't those two lakes be higher after getting more water from Michigan/Huron, if dredging was the cause of all of this?

Oh, and you're talking about dredging in the 1960s.  We're talking about the 2010s here.
 
2013-02-06 09:54:37 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: But don't worry, climate change is still a liberal hoax because it snowed in Minnesota, amirite?


It is because of climate change. It's just the climate change in question is that the glaciers went back home. The Great Lakes have been evaporating for the last 10,000 years. The original shore line was 10 miles inland and 150ft higher.
 
2013-02-06 09:54:48 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Not really.  The biggest problem by far is warmer than average winters.  If the lakes freeze over, water can't evaporate in the winter.  Lake Michigan used to freeze almost all the way across during the winter---last winter there was almost no ice on the lake, and the level dropped like crazy.


To be fair, that evaporated moisture comes right back down on Michigan and SW Ontario, so much of it ends up back in the great lakes. Just not necessarily Lake Michigan.
 
2013-02-06 09:55:10 AM  
I live quite close to Erie and the beach is just getting bigger and bigger. The ferry boat got stuck on a sandbar this past summer. Pretty soon it's going to be a pond and I'll be able to wade to Cleveland.
 
2013-02-06 09:55:12 AM  

Muta: The story I saw tried to blame this on global warming for the low water levels.  I wonder how much if this is due to more channels being dug around Niagara to power more hydro-electric plants.  Do those increase the amount of water that can flow out of Lake Erie?


I really don't think so.  Besides water drawn out of the basin that's still in the Great Lakes basin when it's used is the least of my worries.  Water being pulled in Chicago and Wisconsin is another matter entirely.

That said, we had a ridiculously warm winter last year and very little accumulated snowfall.  I'd wager that didn't help things.
 
2013-02-06 09:58:54 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Tom_Slick: I wonder how much of the drop is due to the large increase in farm irrigation due to the prolonged drought?  The drought is causing farmers to suck the water table dry.  Has made the lake levels drop further than has been previously recorded?

Not really.  The biggest problem by far is warmer than average winters.  If the lakes freeze over, water can't evaporate in the winter.  Lake Michigan used to freeze almost all the way across during the winter---last winter there was almost no ice on the lake, and the level dropped like crazy.


Less lake effect snow then too.  Sounds like it's back on track this year, though.

upload.wikimedia.org

Just a cool picture.

And a song to go with it
http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=63482191&ac=now
 
2013-02-06 09:59:49 AM  

Burr: Says the guy from Philly....


I'm not from here, I'm just here.
I'm from Michigan.
 
2013-02-06 10:00:18 AM  
If they get smaller than Lake Champlain, does it get a chance at being Great?
 
2013-02-06 10:03:10 AM  

Scarrio: It really is bad.  Growing up on Georgian Bay we always used to go to the beach and dive off the raft at the public beach in Parry Sound.  When i was home this summer, we couldn't do that, because the raft was in a foot of water.  You could acfually just walk to it.  Lots of people on the bay have docks that are completely out of the water.

We also have the deepest natural port on the Great Lakes, and we've had to start turning ships away because the water is suddenly too shallow.

I remember having low years a decade or two ago, but these last two years have been crazy.


From memory, they were really bad on 03 and 07.

www.glerl.noaa.gov
Hey, might've called that right.
 
2013-02-06 10:03:51 AM  
have reached their lowest ebb since record keeping began in 1918

Right, since if records were not kept before that it did not happen and that means its man made climate change.

/Tired of the ever claim
 
2013-02-06 10:04:29 AM  
To be fair, all that dredging of the St Clair river wasnt done to make the shipping channel deeper by removing more of the river bottom; it was done to remove all the chemical blobs left on the bottom of the river thanks to illegal dumping by the Dow chemical plant and the refineries on the Canadian side.

I grew up in that area (Port Huron). I've gone diving in the St Clair river many times with my brother. The stuff you find on the bottom of that river would make you not want to live on this planet anymore. My brother is able to bring up enough bottles and cans on each dive to pay for the air in his tanks. That plus all the lead fishing sinkers that he resells to the fishermen have pretty much paid for his diving hobby. It's disgusting really.
 
2013-02-06 10:05:15 AM  

McFifenstein: Burr: Says the guy from Philly....

I'm not from here, I'm just here.
I'm from Michigan.


Prove it.

Gun to your head, soda... or pop?

/just kidding, you're legit diaspora
 
2013-02-06 10:05:37 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Less lake effect snow then too.  Sounds like it's back on track this year, though.


Nah, if the lakes are open, you get more snow - provided it's cold, which it wasn't last year. If the lakes freeze, lake effect kind of stops because of the lack of evaporation.

That is a ridiculously cool picture.
 
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