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2013-02-06 11:37:48 AM  

madtowner11: bulsd: That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.

Stop disliking things that I like.


Don't get me wrong, i love that someone thought enough about Bob Saget to give him a job for this long, but seriously... Ted is an idiot.
 
2013-02-06 11:39:22 AM  

Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.


Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.
 
2013-02-06 11:40:46 AM  

Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)


I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.
 
2013-02-06 11:41:25 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


Dude...it's just a show, sure a lazy shiatty show, but just entertainment. Not worth randomly attacking people over.

Maybe you should go outside for a bit, take a breath...get that stick removed from your butt. It might calm you down.
 
2013-02-06 11:42:51 AM  

YodaBlues: Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.

Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.


To borrow a comment from a review: "This show would be a lot better if it was just Aaron Sorkin showing clips of news events that have happened, and then afterwards saying "That was stupid, I would have done it differently."" Sorkin's 20/20 hindsight got real old real fast with me.
 
2013-02-06 11:44:28 AM  

rugman11: FirstNationalBastard: Honestly?

Arrested Development.

Critics came in their pants on a weekly basis for that show. And, while it was damn good, Audiences never really found it.

/I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.

And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday.  It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings.  And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.


AD's biggest rewards required you to pay attention and that's difficult in the typical network TV climate. I loved seeing gags that were related to previous episodes, some separated by a season or more.

I think the critical praise on Girls is because the attitude of your typical paid critic is the same as a hipster.

/because they liked Girls before it was cool
 
2013-02-06 11:45:05 AM  

AkaDad: OR the reason why it has high ratings is because it's funny.


...or so the overblown laugh track would have you believe.
 
2013-02-06 11:45:35 AM  

gunga galunga: Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)

I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.




It's a shame the proposed Fables series never came to be. Would blow Once upon a time away. Thou would be labeled a copycat, even thou it predates Once upon a time
 
2013-02-06 11:46:18 AM  

YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."


You left out a key line: "[I don't like] The Big Bang Theory is because it's laughing at me, at people like me. "

i.e., here's a nerd who, despite being really successful, is still super insecure about himself, and while he tries to feel superior to the bullies who picked on him because now he's such a cool critic/blogger/whatever, can't escape his feelings of shame and self-loathing... and he never bothered to develop a sense of humor about his own foibles, either.

/is a huge nerd
//is not rich/famous/successful
///not insecure about it, partly because of TBBT
 
2013-02-06 11:46:20 AM  

YodaBlues: Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.

Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.


I hated the way Sorkin treated Mackenzie.  She's introduced as this crack TV producer, but she needs to use her fingers to count and can't distinguish reply from reply all?

And then they had an entire episode where she was trying to stop everybody from reporting that Gabby Giffords was dead (to the point where Don actually says "Doctors declare people dead, not the news") and then two episodes later she's the one pushing to run with the Osama Bin Laden story before they got any confirmation.  What the hell?
 
2013-02-06 11:47:35 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


Are you seriously white-knighting TBBT? It's a TV show that I don't really care for because I find the stereotypes ridiculously exaggerated. I don't hate it - I think Jim Parsons and Miyam Bialik are awesome, actually - it's just not my thing. That doesn't make me a "hipster". It makes me a person with a different opinion than you.

I watch Doctor Who, Archer, Top Gear, White Collar, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, and Burn Notice. Care to make any other judgements on my personality?
 
2013-02-06 11:48:53 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: gunga galunga: Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)

I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.

It's a shame the proposed Fables series never came to be. Would blow Once upon a time away. Thou would be labeled a copycat, even thou it predates Once upon a time


That's the main reason I will never watch either Fables rip-off series (Once Upon A Time or Grimm)... that should have been Fables, but DC/WB are retarded.
 
2013-02-06 11:49:14 AM  

lamecomedian: YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."

You left out a key line: "[I don't like] The Big Bang Theory is because it's laughing at me, at people like me. "

i.e., here's a nerd who, despite being really successful, is still super insecure about himself, and while he tries to feel superior to the bullies who picked on him because now he's such a cool critic/blogger/whatever, can't escape his feelings of shame and self-loathing... and he never bothered to develop a sense of humor about his own foibles, either.

/is a huge nerd
//is not rich/famous/successful
///not insecure about it, partly because of TBBT




This! Most of the nerd rage against TBBT is self hate. I'm nerdy as the next guy but I love the show.
 
2013-02-06 11:49:17 AM  
gunga galunga: I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

Well, you could argue that the first season she was trying to be "incognito" and had to downplay it, and this season she is trying to be good for her son.  She does ham it up some in the "flashbacks" though (not as good as Rumpelstiltskin however) .  Her mom should be over the top at least.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

Well, he is a child actor (and I am not too found of him either).  Aside from that, you could say that his "matter of fact" attitude stems from that he believed the fairy tales to be real for most of his life, and he doesn't have wonderment from it because he isn't surprised by it.
 
2013-02-06 11:50:14 AM  

Sairobi: YodaBlues: Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.

Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.

To borrow a comment from a review: "This show would be a lot better if it was just Aaron Sorkin showing clips of news events that have happened, and then afterwards saying "That was stupid, I would have done it differently."" Sorkin's 20/20 hindsight got real old real fast with me.


Oh my God.  This.  This is supposed to be a show about "how to do news right."  Apparently "doing news right" means having a college roommate who's a VP at BP (heh) and a sister's boyfriend who's a mid-level manager with the EPA who can break the oil spill story for you.  God forbid newspeople actually do any information gathering.  Apparently, they should just have high level sources everywhere who break the stories for them.
 
2013-02-06 11:52:16 AM  

EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!


Yeah, you're so cool for hating laugh tracks. YAWN...
 
2013-02-06 11:52:45 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


Seriously? Haven't we gone over this already? It's an extra keystroke; a keystroke that, in fact, you've already typed once, and need not even move away from that same key you just typed. Something tells me you have plenty of time to perform that extra keystroke. C'mon, it takes so little effort just to come off as that much more intelligent.

Wait, are you trying to type while "Ow My Balls!" is on?
 
2013-02-06 11:54:24 AM  
Goes to show that people love television, no matter how bad it is.
 
2013-02-06 11:54:36 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: AkaDad: OR the reason why it has high ratings is because it's funny.

...or so the overblown laugh track would have you believe.


The only reason I laugh is because it has a laugh track? That's not insulting at all.

I also like Community, Archer, and Better Off Ted.
 
2013-02-06 11:55:13 AM  

EyeballKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Seriously? Haven't we gone over this already? It's an extra keystroke; a keystroke that, in fact, you've already typed once, and need not even move away from that same key you just typed. Something tells me you have plenty of time to perform that extra keystroke. C'mon, it takes so little effort just to come off as that much more intelligent.

Wait, are you trying to type while "Ow My Balls!" is on?




Or I did I do that on purpose?
 
2013-02-06 11:55:54 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Or I did I do that on purpose?


Oh...oh...of course! My bad, I should have seen it all along. Well trolled, sir, carry on.
 
2013-02-06 11:56:38 AM  

Girion47: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No.  It's a stupid show, with stupid jokes, for stupid people.


Listen to this man. He's from Kentucky. He has a PhD in stupid.
 
2013-02-06 11:57:54 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


awwww poor redneck is angry that the subject of his derision is smarter than him.
 
2013-02-06 12:00:21 PM  

Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Are you seriously white-knighting TBBT? It's a TV show that I don't really care for because I find the stereotypes ridiculously exaggerated. I don't hate it - I think Jim Parsons and Miyam Bialik are awesome, actually - it's just not my thing. That doesn't make me a "hipster". It makes me a person with a different opinion than you.

I watch Doctor Who, Archer, Top Gear, White Collar, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, and Burn Notice. Care to make any other judgements on my personality?




Anyone who uses the term nerd black face is over thinking the show. That's a really stupid comparison.
 
2013-02-06 12:02:07 PM  

peterthx: rugman11: FirstNationalBastard: Honestly?

Arrested Development.

Critics came in their pants on a weekly basis for that show. And, while it was damn good, Audiences never really found it.

/I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.

And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday.  It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings.  And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.

AD's biggest rewards required you to pay attention and that's difficult in the typical network TV climate. I loved seeing gags that were related to previous episodes, some separated by a season or more.

I think the critical praise on Girls is because the attitude of your typical paid critic is the same as a hipster.

/because they liked Girls before it was cool

when it was a movie called "Tiny Furniture"
 
2013-02-06 12:04:30 PM  

Girion47: I hate play Assassins Creed 3.  The game was so poorly designed, but I got it for Christmas so I feel I should go for the 100% single player achievements.  That farking Eagle mission pisses me off though, the controls are terrible and the hit box isn't consistent.


Right there with you, only with this one...

www.texturemonkey.com

/link is hot
 
2013-02-06 12:06:55 PM  

Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

awwww poor redneck is angry that the subject of his derision is smarter than him.




Nice stereotyping of me. How dare a son of the soil speak back to his betters. What's next a joke about me porking my pigs?
 
2013-02-06 12:07:47 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.


Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.


Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.
 
2013-02-06 12:09:18 PM  

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


One of the better takes on superheroes out there.  A fun show, even though Finch is a stereotypical nerd

/note how I kept this post on-topic
 
2013-02-06 12:09:23 PM  

Maestro1701: EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Yeah, you're so cool for hating laugh tracks. YAWN...


I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.
 
kab
2013-02-06 12:10:26 PM  

rugman11: And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday. It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings. And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.


The point, as always, is that quality and popularity are rarely related.
 
2013-02-06 12:10:31 PM  

Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".


Wow, you went there, o oppressed nerd!  The wedgies still sting your ass that much, after all these years?

I guess it doesn't bother me because I actually grew up eventually and don't take it personal when another geek is portrayed as geeky.

Now the fact that they say Howard, the masters-level engineer with a huge NASA grant and a space mission under his belt "makes peanuts?"  That's offensive.  Howard would make more money than any of the characters on that show besides his wife who works in biotech industry.  If not, he and all the other engineers would just go work... in industry.
 
2013-02-06 12:11:17 PM  

browntimmy: Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.


Yep.  You will never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator, be it food or entertainment.

Its safe, consistent, and generic.
 
2013-02-06 12:12:20 PM  

Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Are you seriously white-knighting TBBT? It's a TV show that I don't really care for because I find the stereotypes ridiculously exaggerated. I don't hate it - I think Jim Parsons and Miyam Bialik are awesome, actually - it's just not my thing. That doesn't make me a "hipster". It makes me a person with a different opinion than you.

I watch Doctor Who, Archer, Top Gear, White Collar, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, and Burn Notice. Care to make any other judgements on my personality?


Possible multiple personality disorder?

/I kid
 
2013-02-06 12:13:31 PM  

browntimmy: Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.


Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.

Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.




It doesn't matter how brilliant a show is a profit has to be made. You can't sell ad time if no one watches the show.
 
2013-02-06 12:14:33 PM  

Burr: Its safe, consistent, and generic.


Sounds to me like somebody just cooked up CBS's new ad campaign for their prime time programming, right after they're done with "CBS: HURR-DURRR, THERES BOOBEEES ON THE TEEEVEEE!"
 
2013-02-06 12:15:02 PM  

ObeliskToucher: A fun show, even though Finch is a stereotypical nerd


He is anything but stereotypical.  I don't see him playing D&D, debating TV Shows online, or into cosplay, that stuff seems beneath him.

He is a computer genius, that is certain.

/also, Micheal Emerson is awesome.  I was worried he wouldn't find a niche after LOST, but damn I was proven wrong.
 
2013-02-06 12:15:27 PM  

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


I like it, but they've played out their original plotline (nerd and thug save stranger) and are struggling for new wrinkles to keep things interesting. More character development, more backstory, some bad guys that carry over all season. None of which have really struck gold IMHO.
 
2013-02-06 12:18:46 PM  

browntimmy: Maestro1701: EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Yeah, you're so cool for hating laugh tracks. YAWN...

I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.


So "I Love Lucy" was crap because of its laugh track?

If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.
 
2013-02-06 12:21:27 PM  

steve_wmn: Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.

I like it, but they've played out their original plotline (nerd and thug save stranger) and are struggling for new wrinkles to keep things interesting. More character development, more backstory, some bad guys that carry over all season. None of which have really struck gold IMHO.




Anything with Amy Ackers showing up on is good. I would so break her in half
 
2013-02-06 12:22:40 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.


Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.

Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.

It doesn't matter how brilliant a show is a profit has to be made. You can't sell ad time if no one watches the show.


The overall point I was making is that no one thinks McDonald's makes the best hamburgers, but for some reason some people think BBT having good ratings makes it the best comedy.
 
2013-02-06 12:23:36 PM  

Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.


A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...
 
kab
2013-02-06 12:24:52 PM  

browntimmy: I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.


You still listen to radio?
 
2013-02-06 12:25:06 PM  

steve_wmn: Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.

I like it, but they've played out their original plotline (nerd and thug save stranger) and are struggling for new wrinkles to keep things interesting. More character development, more backstory, some bad guys that carry over all season. None of which have really struck gold IMHO.


Ummmm.... the original (and still current) plotline is that a semi-omniscient AI called "The System" exists.  As fantastic as Caviezel and Emerson are, I could easily see them being taken out in a season finale.  The following season could be about evil running rampant and new heroes regaining control.
 
2013-02-06 12:26:04 PM  

Burr: gunga galunga: I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

Well, you could argue that the first season she was trying to be "incognito" and had to downplay it, and this season she is trying to be good for her son.  She does ham it up some in the "flashbacks" though (not as good as Rumpelstiltskin however) .  Her mom should be over the top at least.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

Well, he is a child actor (and I am not too found of him either).  Aside from that, you could say that his "matter of fact" attitude stems from that he believed the fairy tales to be real for most of his life, and he doesn't have wonderment from it because he isn't surprised by it.


Which is why I personally feel that he should have more of a sense of awe in that his dreams that he was living in a fairy tale were true. Having wished upon a star and all that.

I also have the same problem with Daniel Radcliffe's performance in the first Harry Potter movie. Hagrid tells him he's a wizard and he reacts as if he's just been told he won a free subscription to Boy's Life.
 
2013-02-06 12:27:11 PM  

EyeballKid: Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.

A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...




Let me guess you hate 3 camera shooting also? Some of us can't stand that shaky camera crude aka Modern Family & The Office
 
2013-02-06 12:27:30 PM  

kab: browntimmy: I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.

You still listen to radio?


Now you're going to get people white-knighting Clear Channel as a provider of a service, the service of sifting through all the crap so that you can hear what is assuredly the best 40 songs to be made in the previous year.  And you know what, we'll throw in stuff from 20-30 years ago just so you don't feel too old, if it's on one of our stations, you're obviously young enough to not listen to an Oldies channel.
 
2013-02-06 12:27:32 PM  

kab: rugman11: And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday. It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings. And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.

The point, as always, is that quality and popularity are rarely related.


That can be true, though in television comedy it hasn't really been the case.  If you look at the Emmy Awards as a barometer for quality, only one cable show has ever won Best Comedy and that was a popular show (Sex & the City).  Most shows nominated may be low-rated by network standards (30 Rock, Parks & Rec) but those shows are still getting way more viewers than Girls and you still see shows like Modern Family and The Big Bang Theory there.  And the other low-rated cable shows that show up (Curb, Veep, Nurse Jackie) aren't as universally adored.  I've just never seen a show like this that was basically universally loved by critics but completely rejected by audiences (and hasn't even gotten the word of mouth boost that other low-rated cable shows get like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, or Downton Abbey)
 
2013-02-06 12:28:21 PM  

EyeballKid: Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.

A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...


I never defended laugh tracks. I just pointed out how lazy it is to blame them for a show being lousy. Do a little work. Blame the writing, premise, characters, acting...

Reading comprehension....how does it work?
 
2013-02-06 12:28:49 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: EyeballKid: Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.

A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...

Let me guess you hate 3 camera shooting also? Some of us can't stand that shaky camera crude aka Modern Family & The Office


Alright, already, you've had your fun, go troll other people now!
 
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