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2013-02-06 09:33:13 AM
That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.
 
2013-02-06 09:33:43 AM
The writers need to admit that Sheldon is autistic.
/Bazinga
 
2013-02-06 09:34:26 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-06 09:35:16 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-06 09:35:21 AM
There are only 3 legitimate reasons for watching a TV show you don't like:

1: You're getting paid to do it.
2: Your wife promised to give you a blowjob after the show.
3: You're in a full body cast and the remote is broken.
 
2013-02-06 09:35:44 AM
The reason I watch...
www2.pictures.stylebistro.com
 
2013-02-06 09:35:48 AM

bulsd: That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.


Ooooof, you gonna be okay?
 
2013-02-06 09:37:00 AM
Some of us like TBBT subby, so fark off
 
2013-02-06 09:37:14 AM
They said the same thing about Howard Stern.
 
2013-02-06 09:38:30 AM
Huh. So that's what it's called. I'm doing that with Elementary. Hate it, but damned if my ass isn't on the couch while I watch and yell at my TV.
 
2013-02-06 09:39:01 AM

Bslim: bulsd: That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.

Ooooof, you gonna be okay?


Yeah, i think so.  I co-marathoned episodes of Red Dwarf to separate it all.  Honestly, I, to this day, do not understand our obsession with Robin, and the woman that plays her.  She's not that attractive, IMO and isn't that funny either.
 
2013-02-06 09:39:32 AM
Well that explains the popularity of "reality" TV
 
2013-02-06 09:41:06 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: They said the same thing about Howard Stern.


That's exactly what I thought.

What was that quote from Private Parts...?

Something about the average Stern fan listening for an hour and 20 minutes per day, but the Stern haters listening for two-and-a-half hours?
 
2013-02-06 09:42:45 AM
I'm going to hate watch Season 3 of Homeland so I can call out anyone who claims that it's one of the best shows on TV -- Season 2 was a huge pile of crap.
 
2013-02-06 09:43:14 AM
Hate watching = you like watching it, but you hate yourself for it, and are worried about what people think of you for watching it.

Don't worry, we pro wrestling fans already know what this feels like.
 
2013-02-06 09:45:01 AM
I watched 2 seasons of The Walking Dead before I thought, "I'm not even sure I like this show."

What does it mean???
 
2013-02-06 09:45:46 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Now, come on you guys, we don't "Hate Watch", we look for the good in every show or movie.

/MST3K Content Requirement for Thread #7577437: Fulfilled
 
2013-02-06 09:46:28 AM
Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.
 
2013-02-06 09:46:31 AM
This is popular in movies i feel.

Uwe Boll
 
2013-02-06 09:47:34 AM

FirstNationalBastard: DarkSoulNoHope: They said the same thing about Howard Stern.

That's exactly what I thought.

What was that quote from Private Parts...?

Something about the average Stern fan listening for an hour and 20 minutes per day, but the Stern haters listening for two-and-a-half hours?


Yep, I think the exact reasoning was, "I want to hear what he does next."
 
2013-02-06 09:48:48 AM
Remember "Hello, Larry"?

/get of my lawn
 
2013-02-06 09:49:05 AM

NMTurtlelady: Huh. So that's what it's called. I'm doing that with Elementary. Hate it, but damned if my ass isn't on the couch while I watch and yell at my TV.


I'm doing it with The Following. I still can't figure out why I'm watching it, but I am.
 
2013-02-06 09:49:21 AM
I've recently started watching MLP just so I can mock bronies. My god the show is horrible
 
2013-02-06 09:49:32 AM

Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.


What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!
 
2013-02-06 09:51:25 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I've recently started watching MLP just so I can mock bronies. My god the show is horrible


When you look in to the abyss, sometimes the abyss looks back into you
 
2013-02-06 09:52:39 AM
I agree Digitalstrange.  We did not start watching that show until last year, until my wife saw an episode.  I have a degree in Physics, and my best friends from college were in all my classes.  That first episode was like a timewarp back 17 years.  We even had someone almost like Sheldon: Crazy smart, socially awkward, tall and skinny.  Only difference is that he is not asexual.
 
2013-02-06 09:52:49 AM
I also farking hated Dynasty but watched it mostly for the catfights.
 
2013-02-06 09:52:59 AM
TROLOLOLOLOLOL, submitter. You so funny.
 
2013-02-06 09:54:50 AM

EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!


Let me guess you like community or some other to smart for the rest of us comdey?
 
2013-02-06 09:54:56 AM
Wow, hating on TBBT, subby....how very original and 2009 of you
 
2013-02-06 09:55:19 AM
The Big Bang Theory is not a nerd show. It's a generic sitcom with characters that happen to be nerds. It's also the Sheldon and Howard Show more than anything.
 
2013-02-06 09:56:32 AM
I admit that I started watching after I heard about Sheldon spanking his girlfriend, watched the clip associated with the story, and promptly jerked it to the expression on Amy's face.
 
2013-02-06 09:57:26 AM
Which explains the ratings for Duck Dynasty, it is the dumbest show I have ever seen, the stuff that goes on is predictable and contrived, but if I stumble upon a marathon on a Sunday afternoon I will watch 3 or 4 episodes.
 
2013-02-06 09:57:36 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Let me guess you like community or some other to smart for the rest of us comdey?


I know the internet and texting have made proper spelling irrelevant, but with any intellect-based criticism, I'd suggest a spell check before posting.
 
2013-02-06 09:59:18 AM

Nurglitch: I admit that I started watching after I heard about Sheldon spanking his girlfriend, watched the clip associated with the story, and promptly jerked it to the expression on Amy's face.


I saw that clip during the SuperBowl, and felt dirty.
 
2013-02-06 10:00:31 AM

Nurglitch: I admit that I started watching after I heard about Sheldon spanking his girlfriend, watched the clip associated with the story, and promptly jerked it to the expression on Amy's face.


Mayim Bialik, whoa!

/Yeah yeah, she's no Melissa Rauch.
//But she cleans up good and she's a legit Ph. D.
 
2013-02-06 10:01:27 AM

NMTurtlelady: Huh. So that's what it's called. I'm doing that with Elementary. Hate it, but damned if my ass isn't on the couch while I watch and yell at my TV.


I do that too. I was watching, and was thinking "This is farking terrible" the whole time, but damned if I didn't sit there and watch it. Then, the next week, what did I find myself watching? Elementary. I think CBS sends out signals to your brain.

See also: The Mentalist
 
2013-02-06 10:03:19 AM

EyeballKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: Let me guess you like community or some other to smart for the rest of us comdey?

I know the internet and texting have made proper spelling irrelevant, but with any intellect-based criticism, I'd suggest a spell check before posting.





Damn I missed that one. My bad.
 
2013-02-06 10:03:19 AM

Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.


No.  It's a stupid show, with stupid jokes, for stupid people.
 
2013-02-06 10:04:30 AM
TBBT isn't the worst show in the world, and it isn't the best show in the world.  It is a sitcom with nerd references.  That is it.  It provides some chuckles, but it provides just as many groans.  It's middle of the road.

It's still better then the tripe that is Two and A Half Men.  That show is just terrible.
 
2013-02-06 10:05:27 AM
Subby, don't be such a hater.
 
2013-02-06 10:05:41 AM

Girion47: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No.  It's a stupid show, with stupid jokes, for stupid people.




Then don't watch it. No one is making you.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:24 AM
Oh howie indeed.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-06 10:11:37 AM

mojotele: Oh howie indeed.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1249]


Yep, her plastic surgeon did well, but I miss the Original Bewbs.
 
2013-02-06 10:14:01 AM
Not going to RTFA, but fark threads for Season 2 of the Walking Dead were simply awesome, and could have proved the hypothesis of hate watching all on their own.
 
2013-02-06 10:15:49 AM

mojotele: Oh howie indeed.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1249]


Well....gosh.  Girl has "attributes" that get far too air time.

Oh, and "ratings" from hate watching...seriously doubt it.  with everything you have to go through to get to be a Nielson TV rater, I doubt those people hate-watch anything.
 
2013-02-06 10:16:06 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I've recently started watching MLP just so I can mock bronies. My god the show is horrible


I knew we'd convert you.

i6.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 10:16:29 AM

LDM90: I watched 2 seasons of The Walking Dead before I thought, "I'm not even sure I like this show."

What does it mean???


I'm this way with Girls.  It's supposed to be one of the best comedies on television, but it's not really funny and the whole thing is just so damn unimportant that I've not piled up the last four episodes because it's the absolute last thing on my list of things I want to watch.  I think it's just one of those things that the cultural milieu says is supposed to be revelatory but that is just impenetrable to the masses.
 
2013-02-06 10:16:46 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: mojotele: Oh howie indeed.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1249]

Well....gosh.  Girl has "attributes" that get far too air time.

Oh, and "ratings" from hate watching...seriously doubt it.  with everything you have to go through to get to be a Nielson TV rater, I doubt those people hate-watch anything.


far to LITTLE air time...damn my hands...
 
2013-02-06 10:16:54 AM

mojotele: Oh howie indeed.


That last pair of zippers at the bottom looks positioned for... problems.  I mean, I guess there has to be one there and all but I'm guessing she isn't riding a bike or really sitting down at any point in that.

So what I guess I'm saying is: thanks for taking one for the team, Melissa Rauch.

Girion47: No. It's a stupid show, with stupid jokes, for stupid people.


Please tell me that you stamped your feet while typing that.
 
2013-02-06 10:17:20 AM

mojotele: Oh howie indeed.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1249]


That looks 'shopped. I can tell by the pixels.
 
2013-02-06 10:18:58 AM

rugman11: LDM90: I watched 2 seasons of The Walking Dead before I thought, "I'm not even sure I like this show."

What does it mean???

I'm this way with Girls.  It's supposed to be one of the best comedies on television, but it's not really funny and the whole thing is just so damn unimportant that I've not piled up the last four episodes because it's the absolute last thing on my list of things I want to watch.  I think it's just one of those things that the cultural milieu says is supposed to be revelatory but that is just impenetrable to the masses.


Is it shallow and pedantic? Does it insist upon itself?
 
2013-02-06 10:19:22 AM
i1151.photobucket.com
It's a feckin' sitcom - not real live!
It's not as if ya sit around making constant witty banter in yer own feckin' house.
REAL reality TV would be some fat arse sittin' in a chair feckin' staring back at ya!
 
2013-02-06 10:21:48 AM
This is the cover photo on her FB fan page, so... damn.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-06 10:21:51 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: mojotele: Oh howie indeed.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1249]

That looks 'shopped. I can tell by the pixels.


Yea, it probably is.  Oh well :)
 
2013-02-06 10:23:16 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: I've recently started watching MLP just so I can mock bronies. My god the show is horrible

I knew we'd convert you.

[i6.photobucket.com image 324x285]




No! I only watch it for research purposes.
 
2013-02-06 10:23:52 AM

EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!


Oh sure, being a tracker seems harmless -- but it's an entry doubt that can lead to becoming a birther, truther, or (shudder) a full-fledged Tea Partier...
 
2013-02-06 10:26:51 AM
Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!
 
2013-02-06 10:28:08 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: I've recently started watching MLP just so I can mock bronies. My god the show is horrible

I knew we'd convert you.

[i6.photobucket.com image 324x285]


......I've just started watching this, too. I'm not a dude, but a brony got me into it. It's so much more awesome than I could have ever imagined.
 
2013-02-06 10:28:08 AM

DubyaHater: The writers need to admit that Sheldon is autistic.
/Bazinga



I've had that same thought many times.

However, it also occurs to me that Sheldon is highly functional -- with a steady job, group of friends, and even a girlfriend. He appears capable of taking care of himself, and also seems to be generally happy.

Therefore, what would be the point of diagnosing him as autistic? It would accomplish nothing practical.

He's getting along just fine -- better than most of us, even -- despite his weirdness. Would calling him autistic even MEAN anything?
 
2013-02-06 10:28:31 AM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!


You sound like you prefer "Glee"...

/NTTIAWWT
 
2013-02-06 10:28:34 AM
Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.
 
2013-02-06 10:28:54 AM
This doesn't indicate "hate" it indicates being in denial that you actually enjoy a show. If you hated it you wouldn't watch it and spend time talking about it.
image.spreadshirt.com
Some people have too much time on their hands. For everything else in life I do enjoy I don't have hours/half-hours to waste on something I don't.
 
kab
2013-02-06 10:32:50 AM

verbaltoxin: Hate watching = you like watching it, but you hate yourself for it, and are worried about what people think of you for watching it.

Don't worry, we pro wrestling fans already know what this feels like.


Hate watching = you actually like it, but biatching about everything makes you feel better.

You see this in video game forums ALL the time.  "God, D3 is the worst game ever.  I have like.. 400 hours on my barb, and can't stand it"

Folks that continually expose themselves to things they dislike either have a fetish, or are functionally retarded.  There's really no other explanation.
 
2013-02-06 10:32:53 AM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".


Relax, Poindexter - or there'll be no watermelon after that fried chicken dinner!
 
2013-02-06 10:32:55 AM

ObeliskToucher: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You sound like you prefer "Glee"...

/NTTIAWWT


From a pure musical theater nerd standpoint, I enjoy the arragements of some of the songs they do. The show itself isn't great, so I don't bother with it.
 
2013-02-06 10:34:02 AM

FirstNationalBastard: rugman11: LDM90: I watched 2 seasons of The Walking Dead before I thought, "I'm not even sure I like this show."

What does it mean???

I'm this way with Girls.  It's supposed to be one of the best comedies on television, but it's not really funny and the whole thing is just so damn unimportant that I've not piled up the last four episodes because it's the absolute last thing on my list of things I want to watch.  I think it's just one of those things that the cultural milieu says is supposed to be revelatory but that is just impenetrable to the masses.

Is it shallow and pedantic? Does it insist upon itself?


I know you're joking, but has there ever been a bigger gap between critical adoration and the audience?
 
2013-02-06 10:35:34 AM
"And, remind me, how do these ironic non-idiot replies show up in the ratings?"
"They show up the same, my friend. They show up just the same."


/nothing's obscure on Fark
 
2013-02-06 10:38:23 AM

rugman11: FirstNationalBastard: rugman11: LDM90: I watched 2 seasons of The Walking Dead before I thought, "I'm not even sure I like this show."

What does it mean???

I'm this way with Girls.  It's supposed to be one of the best comedies on television, but it's not really funny and the whole thing is just so damn unimportant that I've not piled up the last four episodes because it's the absolute last thing on my list of things I want to watch.  I think it's just one of those things that the cultural milieu says is supposed to be revelatory but that is just impenetrable to the masses.

Is it shallow and pedantic? Does it insist upon itself?

I know you're joking, but has there ever been a bigger gap between critical adoration and the audience?


Honestly?

Arrested Development.

Critics came in their pants on a weekly basis for that show. And, while it was damn good, Audiences never really found it.

/I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.
 
2013-02-06 10:41:30 AM
I hate play Assassins Creed 3.  The game was so poorly designed, but I got it for Christmas so I feel I should go for the 100% single player achievements.  That farking Eagle mission pisses me off though, the controls are terrible and the hit box isn't consistent.
 
2013-02-06 10:42:27 AM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!




You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?
 
2013-02-06 10:42:44 AM

FirstNationalBastard: /I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.


No, it's closer to "Fox Pre-emptiveitis"
 
2013-02-06 10:46:21 AM

Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.


No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."
 
2013-02-06 10:47:35 AM

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


My favorite new show of the past year or two. It has a lot of the original Mission Impossible feel to some of it.
 
2013-02-06 10:48:53 AM

Tom_Slick: Which explains the ratings for Duck Dynasty, it is the dumbest show I have ever seen, the stuff that goes on is predictable and contrived, but if I stumble upon a marathon on a Sunday afternoon I will watch 3 or 4 episodes.


So far as I've seen, it's the only reality show without contrived hatred among the main cast.
 
2013-02-06 10:51:15 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Honestly?

Arrested Development.

Critics came in their pants on a weekly basis for that show. And, while it was damn good, Audiences never really found it.

/I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.


And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday.  It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings.  And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.
 
2013-02-06 10:52:06 AM
First world problems
 
2013-02-06 10:53:20 AM

rugman11: has there ever been a bigger gap between critical adoration and the audience?


Better Off Ted

Incredible show, that nobody watched.  You can't fault the network.  They advertised the hell out of it.

Watch this and try to keep a straight face.  NSFW Language
 
2013-02-06 10:53:54 AM
Let's see...

"Nerd blackface"
"laugh track"
"Sheldon's autism"
"Melissa Rauch's bewbs"

All I need is "You killed 'Community'" and I'll get BBT Fark thread BINGO.
 
2013-02-06 10:54:41 AM

YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."




How did I know before clicking the link you provided it would be praise for community? That show is boring and painfully not funny. Heap praise on it all you want but TBBT won. Get over it.
 
2013-02-06 10:56:03 AM
Zombie Breitbart has pretty much admitted they tune into Glee week after week so they can be pissed off at the show's pro-gay agenda.
 
2013-02-06 10:56:43 AM

LDM90: I watched 2 seasons of The Walking Dead before I thought, "I'm not even sure I like this show."

What does it mean???


aendeuryu: Not going to RTFA, but fark threads for Season 2 of the Walking Dead were simply awesome, and could have proved the hypothesis of hate watching all on their own.


Heh. Came here to post this. The only reason I watched Season 2 at all was to laugh at how bad it was.
 
2013-02-06 10:58:44 AM

rhiannon: Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.

My favorite new show of the past year or two. It has a lot of the original Mission Impossible feel to some of it.


Wow, I've been searching for an appropriate comparison for it. That is it! Also maybe it's a good thing it sort of flies under the radar. It has a good number of viewers but seemingly no hype backlash since there isn't much hype to start with.
 
2013-02-06 11:10:02 AM

Fano: So far as I've seen, it's the only reality show without contrived hatred among the main cast.


Maybe that is why I can watch it I generally dislike reality shows with fake "I hate you" drama.
 
2013-02-06 11:11:35 AM
I like the premise of BBT, but the jokes are weak and predictable, the characters are all unrelatable, and the writing comes off as the same brand of lazy as done in Two and a Half Men but with all the references replaced with sci-fi and comic book stuff.  It's like they use mad-libs for the scripts and just fill in the blanks with show-appropriate references.  I wouldn't care except its success just encourages more sitcoms with the same brand of lazy writing.  Path of least resistance and all that.
 
2013-02-06 11:12:44 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Some of us like TBBT subby, so fark off

 
2013-02-06 11:13:59 AM
Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)
 
2013-02-06 11:19:54 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?



I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?
 
2013-02-06 11:20:30 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: How did I know before clicking the link you provided it would be praise for community? That show is boring and painfully not funny. Heap praise on it all you want but TBBT won. Get over it.


I've never seen Community, so I can't comment, but his analysis of TBBT is dead-on from the few episodes I've watched. And you fail to counter the argument presented in the article, presumably. because you can't. Instead you attack the author because he enjoys a show that showcases "nerd" humor with reverence instead of bile, simply because you don't like Community in general.
 
2013-02-06 11:23:01 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."

How did I know before clicking the link you provided it would be praise for community? That show is boring and painfully not funny. Heap praise on it all you want but TBBT won. Get over it.


It really isn't our fault that you don't understand humor without it being spoon-fed to you.   Just go back to watching "Ow My Balls"
 
2013-02-06 11:26:53 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: How did I know before clicking the link you provided it would be praise for community? That show is boring and painfully not funny. Heap praise on it all you want but TBBT won. Get over it.


Meh; close enough.

"Nerd blackface"
"laugh track"
"Sheldon's autism"
"Melissa Rauch's bewbs"
"You killed 'Community'"


i107.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 11:28:49 AM

bulsd: That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.


Stop disliking things that I like.
 
2013-02-06 11:30:10 AM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?




You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?
 
2013-02-06 11:31:27 AM
The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.
 
2013-02-06 11:31:33 AM

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


I like that show, Elementary is pretty good too.
 
2013-02-06 11:31:55 AM
It explains subbies mom's popularity.
 
2013-02-06 11:32:50 AM

Nick Spiceyweiner: Mid_mo_mad_man: Some of us like TBBT subby, so fark off


I agree with Mr. Spiceyweiner.
 
2013-02-06 11:36:42 AM

browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.



Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.
 
2013-02-06 11:36:57 AM
I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.
 
2013-02-06 11:37:26 AM
OR the reason why it has high ratings is because it's funny.

stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2013-02-06 11:37:48 AM

madtowner11: bulsd: That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.

Stop disliking things that I like.


Don't get me wrong, i love that someone thought enough about Bob Saget to give him a job for this long, but seriously... Ted is an idiot.
 
2013-02-06 11:39:22 AM

Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.


Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.
 
2013-02-06 11:40:46 AM

Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)


I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.
 
2013-02-06 11:41:25 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


Dude...it's just a show, sure a lazy shiatty show, but just entertainment. Not worth randomly attacking people over.

Maybe you should go outside for a bit, take a breath...get that stick removed from your butt. It might calm you down.
 
2013-02-06 11:42:51 AM

YodaBlues: Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.

Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.


To borrow a comment from a review: "This show would be a lot better if it was just Aaron Sorkin showing clips of news events that have happened, and then afterwards saying "That was stupid, I would have done it differently."" Sorkin's 20/20 hindsight got real old real fast with me.
 
2013-02-06 11:44:28 AM

rugman11: FirstNationalBastard: Honestly?

Arrested Development.

Critics came in their pants on a weekly basis for that show. And, while it was damn good, Audiences never really found it.

/I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.

And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday.  It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings.  And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.


AD's biggest rewards required you to pay attention and that's difficult in the typical network TV climate. I loved seeing gags that were related to previous episodes, some separated by a season or more.

I think the critical praise on Girls is because the attitude of your typical paid critic is the same as a hipster.

/because they liked Girls before it was cool
 
2013-02-06 11:45:05 AM

AkaDad: OR the reason why it has high ratings is because it's funny.


...or so the overblown laugh track would have you believe.
 
2013-02-06 11:45:35 AM

gunga galunga: Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)

I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.




It's a shame the proposed Fables series never came to be. Would blow Once upon a time away. Thou would be labeled a copycat, even thou it predates Once upon a time
 
2013-02-06 11:46:18 AM

YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."


You left out a key line: "[I don't like] The Big Bang Theory is because it's laughing at me, at people like me. "

i.e., here's a nerd who, despite being really successful, is still super insecure about himself, and while he tries to feel superior to the bullies who picked on him because now he's such a cool critic/blogger/whatever, can't escape his feelings of shame and self-loathing... and he never bothered to develop a sense of humor about his own foibles, either.

/is a huge nerd
//is not rich/famous/successful
///not insecure about it, partly because of TBBT
 
2013-02-06 11:46:20 AM

YodaBlues: Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.

Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.


I hated the way Sorkin treated Mackenzie.  She's introduced as this crack TV producer, but she needs to use her fingers to count and can't distinguish reply from reply all?

And then they had an entire episode where she was trying to stop everybody from reporting that Gabby Giffords was dead (to the point where Don actually says "Doctors declare people dead, not the news") and then two episodes later she's the one pushing to run with the Osama Bin Laden story before they got any confirmation.  What the hell?
 
2013-02-06 11:47:35 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


Are you seriously white-knighting TBBT? It's a TV show that I don't really care for because I find the stereotypes ridiculously exaggerated. I don't hate it - I think Jim Parsons and Miyam Bialik are awesome, actually - it's just not my thing. That doesn't make me a "hipster". It makes me a person with a different opinion than you.

I watch Doctor Who, Archer, Top Gear, White Collar, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, and Burn Notice. Care to make any other judgements on my personality?
 
2013-02-06 11:48:53 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: gunga galunga: Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)

I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.

It's a shame the proposed Fables series never came to be. Would blow Once upon a time away. Thou would be labeled a copycat, even thou it predates Once upon a time


That's the main reason I will never watch either Fables rip-off series (Once Upon A Time or Grimm)... that should have been Fables, but DC/WB are retarded.
 
2013-02-06 11:49:14 AM

lamecomedian: YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:

"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."

You left out a key line: "[I don't like] The Big Bang Theory is because it's laughing at me, at people like me. "

i.e., here's a nerd who, despite being really successful, is still super insecure about himself, and while he tries to feel superior to the bullies who picked on him because now he's such a cool critic/blogger/whatever, can't escape his feelings of shame and self-loathing... and he never bothered to develop a sense of humor about his own foibles, either.

/is a huge nerd
//is not rich/famous/successful
///not insecure about it, partly because of TBBT




This! Most of the nerd rage against TBBT is self hate. I'm nerdy as the next guy but I love the show.
 
2013-02-06 11:49:17 AM
gunga galunga: I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

Well, you could argue that the first season she was trying to be "incognito" and had to downplay it, and this season she is trying to be good for her son.  She does ham it up some in the "flashbacks" though (not as good as Rumpelstiltskin however) .  Her mom should be over the top at least.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

Well, he is a child actor (and I am not too found of him either).  Aside from that, you could say that his "matter of fact" attitude stems from that he believed the fairy tales to be real for most of his life, and he doesn't have wonderment from it because he isn't surprised by it.
 
2013-02-06 11:50:14 AM

Sairobi: YodaBlues: Sairobi: I hate watched the Newsroom last season. I kept hoping it would turn into something amazing like the West Wing, but every week made me more and more angry.

Depends on what was going on. I enjoyed Jeff Daniels and his story arch enough, but kept wanting to throw babies at the tv every time they focused on the forced "Love triangle" of Don-Jim-Maggie.

To borrow a comment from a review: "This show would be a lot better if it was just Aaron Sorkin showing clips of news events that have happened, and then afterwards saying "That was stupid, I would have done it differently."" Sorkin's 20/20 hindsight got real old real fast with me.


Oh my God.  This.  This is supposed to be a show about "how to do news right."  Apparently "doing news right" means having a college roommate who's a VP at BP (heh) and a sister's boyfriend who's a mid-level manager with the EPA who can break the oil spill story for you.  God forbid newspeople actually do any information gathering.  Apparently, they should just have high level sources everywhere who break the stories for them.
 
2013-02-06 11:52:16 AM

EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!


Yeah, you're so cool for hating laugh tracks. YAWN...
 
2013-02-06 11:52:45 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


Seriously? Haven't we gone over this already? It's an extra keystroke; a keystroke that, in fact, you've already typed once, and need not even move away from that same key you just typed. Something tells me you have plenty of time to perform that extra keystroke. C'mon, it takes so little effort just to come off as that much more intelligent.

Wait, are you trying to type while "Ow My Balls!" is on?
 
2013-02-06 11:54:24 AM
Goes to show that people love television, no matter how bad it is.
 
2013-02-06 11:54:36 AM

FirstNationalBastard: AkaDad: OR the reason why it has high ratings is because it's funny.

...or so the overblown laugh track would have you believe.


The only reason I laugh is because it has a laugh track? That's not insulting at all.

I also like Community, Archer, and Better Off Ted.
 
2013-02-06 11:55:13 AM

EyeballKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Seriously? Haven't we gone over this already? It's an extra keystroke; a keystroke that, in fact, you've already typed once, and need not even move away from that same key you just typed. Something tells me you have plenty of time to perform that extra keystroke. C'mon, it takes so little effort just to come off as that much more intelligent.

Wait, are you trying to type while "Ow My Balls!" is on?




Or I did I do that on purpose?
 
2013-02-06 11:55:54 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Or I did I do that on purpose?


Oh...oh...of course! My bad, I should have seen it all along. Well trolled, sir, carry on.
 
2013-02-06 11:56:38 AM

Girion47: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No.  It's a stupid show, with stupid jokes, for stupid people.


Listen to this man. He's from Kentucky. He has a PhD in stupid.
 
2013-02-06 11:57:54 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?


awwww poor redneck is angry that the subject of his derision is smarter than him.
 
2013-02-06 12:00:21 PM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Are you seriously white-knighting TBBT? It's a TV show that I don't really care for because I find the stereotypes ridiculously exaggerated. I don't hate it - I think Jim Parsons and Miyam Bialik are awesome, actually - it's just not my thing. That doesn't make me a "hipster". It makes me a person with a different opinion than you.

I watch Doctor Who, Archer, Top Gear, White Collar, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, and Burn Notice. Care to make any other judgements on my personality?




Anyone who uses the term nerd black face is over thinking the show. That's a really stupid comparison.
 
2013-02-06 12:02:07 PM

peterthx: rugman11: FirstNationalBastard: Honestly?

Arrested Development.

Critics came in their pants on a weekly basis for that show. And, while it was damn good, Audiences never really found it.

/I think that's known as Whedon's Syndrome.

And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday.  It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings.  And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.

AD's biggest rewards required you to pay attention and that's difficult in the typical network TV climate. I loved seeing gags that were related to previous episodes, some separated by a season or more.

I think the critical praise on Girls is because the attitude of your typical paid critic is the same as a hipster.

/because they liked Girls before it was cool

when it was a movie called "Tiny Furniture"
 
2013-02-06 12:04:30 PM

Girion47: I hate play Assassins Creed 3.  The game was so poorly designed, but I got it for Christmas so I feel I should go for the 100% single player achievements.  That farking Eagle mission pisses me off though, the controls are terrible and the hit box isn't consistent.


Right there with you, only with this one...

www.texturemonkey.com

/link is hot
 
2013-02-06 12:06:55 PM

Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

awwww poor redneck is angry that the subject of his derision is smarter than him.




Nice stereotyping of me. How dare a son of the soil speak back to his betters. What's next a joke about me porking my pigs?
 
2013-02-06 12:07:47 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.


Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.


Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.
 
2013-02-06 12:09:18 PM

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


One of the better takes on superheroes out there.  A fun show, even though Finch is a stereotypical nerd

/note how I kept this post on-topic
 
2013-02-06 12:09:23 PM

Maestro1701: EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Yeah, you're so cool for hating laugh tracks. YAWN...


I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.
 
kab
2013-02-06 12:10:26 PM

rugman11: And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday. It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings. And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.


The point, as always, is that quality and popularity are rarely related.
 
2013-02-06 12:10:31 PM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".


Wow, you went there, o oppressed nerd!  The wedgies still sting your ass that much, after all these years?

I guess it doesn't bother me because I actually grew up eventually and don't take it personal when another geek is portrayed as geeky.

Now the fact that they say Howard, the masters-level engineer with a huge NASA grant and a space mission under his belt "makes peanuts?"  That's offensive.  Howard would make more money than any of the characters on that show besides his wife who works in biotech industry.  If not, he and all the other engineers would just go work... in industry.
 
2013-02-06 12:11:17 PM

browntimmy: Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.


Yep.  You will never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator, be it food or entertainment.

Its safe, consistent, and generic.
 
2013-02-06 12:12:20 PM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Mid_mo_mad_man: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You drive a hybrid car and wear skinny jeans don't you?


I drive a Mini and wear skirts. What's your point?

You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Are you seriously white-knighting TBBT? It's a TV show that I don't really care for because I find the stereotypes ridiculously exaggerated. I don't hate it - I think Jim Parsons and Miyam Bialik are awesome, actually - it's just not my thing. That doesn't make me a "hipster". It makes me a person with a different opinion than you.

I watch Doctor Who, Archer, Top Gear, White Collar, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, and Burn Notice. Care to make any other judgements on my personality?


Possible multiple personality disorder?

/I kid
 
2013-02-06 12:13:31 PM

browntimmy: Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.


Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.

Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.




It doesn't matter how brilliant a show is a profit has to be made. You can't sell ad time if no one watches the show.
 
2013-02-06 12:14:33 PM

Burr: Its safe, consistent, and generic.


Sounds to me like somebody just cooked up CBS's new ad campaign for their prime time programming, right after they're done with "CBS: HURR-DURRR, THERES BOOBEEES ON THE TEEEVEEE!"
 
2013-02-06 12:15:02 PM

ObeliskToucher: A fun show, even though Finch is a stereotypical nerd


He is anything but stereotypical.  I don't see him playing D&D, debating TV Shows online, or into cosplay, that stuff seems beneath him.

He is a computer genius, that is certain.

/also, Micheal Emerson is awesome.  I was worried he wouldn't find a niche after LOST, but damn I was proven wrong.
 
2013-02-06 12:15:27 PM

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


I like it, but they've played out their original plotline (nerd and thug save stranger) and are struggling for new wrinkles to keep things interesting. More character development, more backstory, some bad guys that carry over all season. None of which have really struck gold IMHO.
 
2013-02-06 12:18:46 PM

browntimmy: Maestro1701: EyeballKid: Digitalstrange: Eh, fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

What's missing from this?
[LAUGH TRACK]

OMG, THIS IS SO FUNNY! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Yeah, you're so cool for hating laugh tracks. YAWN...

I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.


So "I Love Lucy" was crap because of its laugh track?

If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.
 
2013-02-06 12:21:27 PM

steve_wmn: Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.

I like it, but they've played out their original plotline (nerd and thug save stranger) and are struggling for new wrinkles to keep things interesting. More character development, more backstory, some bad guys that carry over all season. None of which have really struck gold IMHO.




Anything with Amy Ackers showing up on is good. I would so break her in half
 
2013-02-06 12:22:40 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: Mid_mo_mad_man: browntimmy: The nerd blackface criticism is irrelvant. The problem with BBT is that it uses the same outdated corny throwaway sitcom template and all they did was make all the characters nerds.


Nothing wrong in giving customers/viewers what they want. Farkers forget that the networks are there to make a profit. If no one watches whatever show the hipsters love it gets cancelled. Just how it works.

Actually I agree in that it's format is to comedy what McDonald's is to restaurants. However you can't argue that McDonald's has middle-of-the-road to mediocre food.

It doesn't matter how brilliant a show is a profit has to be made. You can't sell ad time if no one watches the show.


The overall point I was making is that no one thinks McDonald's makes the best hamburgers, but for some reason some people think BBT having good ratings makes it the best comedy.
 
2013-02-06 12:23:36 PM

Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.


A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...
 
kab
2013-02-06 12:24:52 PM

browntimmy: I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.


You still listen to radio?
 
2013-02-06 12:25:06 PM

steve_wmn: Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.

I like it, but they've played out their original plotline (nerd and thug save stranger) and are struggling for new wrinkles to keep things interesting. More character development, more backstory, some bad guys that carry over all season. None of which have really struck gold IMHO.


Ummmm.... the original (and still current) plotline is that a semi-omniscient AI called "The System" exists.  As fantastic as Caviezel and Emerson are, I could easily see them being taken out in a season finale.  The following season could be about evil running rampant and new heroes regaining control.
 
2013-02-06 12:26:04 PM

Burr: gunga galunga: I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

Well, you could argue that the first season she was trying to be "incognito" and had to downplay it, and this season she is trying to be good for her son.  She does ham it up some in the "flashbacks" though (not as good as Rumpelstiltskin however) .  Her mom should be over the top at least.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

Well, he is a child actor (and I am not too found of him either).  Aside from that, you could say that his "matter of fact" attitude stems from that he believed the fairy tales to be real for most of his life, and he doesn't have wonderment from it because he isn't surprised by it.


Which is why I personally feel that he should have more of a sense of awe in that his dreams that he was living in a fairy tale were true. Having wished upon a star and all that.

I also have the same problem with Daniel Radcliffe's performance in the first Harry Potter movie. Hagrid tells him he's a wizard and he reacts as if he's just been told he won a free subscription to Boy's Life.
 
2013-02-06 12:27:11 PM

EyeballKid: Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.

A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...




Let me guess you hate 3 camera shooting also? Some of us can't stand that shaky camera crude aka Modern Family & The Office
 
2013-02-06 12:27:30 PM

kab: browntimmy: I liken TV laugh tracks to hearing REO Speedwagon come on the radio.

You still listen to radio?


Now you're going to get people white-knighting Clear Channel as a provider of a service, the service of sifting through all the crap so that you can hear what is assuredly the best 40 songs to be made in the previous year.  And you know what, we'll throw in stuff from 20-30 years ago just so you don't feel too old, if it's on one of our stations, you're obviously young enough to not listen to an Oldies channel.
 
2013-02-06 12:27:32 PM

kab: rugman11: And, yet, even at its worst, Arrested Development got more than 3 million viewers and, at its best, drew almost 10 million.

Girls meanwhile is not in the Top 100 of cable shows on Sunday. It never gets a million viewers for its initial airing and is lucky to break two million through all of its airings. And yet, Metacritic gave the first season an 87, with only Louie rating as a better comedy.

The point, as always, is that quality and popularity are rarely related.


That can be true, though in television comedy it hasn't really been the case.  If you look at the Emmy Awards as a barometer for quality, only one cable show has ever won Best Comedy and that was a popular show (Sex & the City).  Most shows nominated may be low-rated by network standards (30 Rock, Parks & Rec) but those shows are still getting way more viewers than Girls and you still see shows like Modern Family and The Big Bang Theory there.  And the other low-rated cable shows that show up (Curb, Veep, Nurse Jackie) aren't as universally adored.  I've just never seen a show like this that was basically universally loved by critics but completely rejected by audiences (and hasn't even gotten the word of mouth boost that other low-rated cable shows get like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, or Downton Abbey)
 
2013-02-06 12:28:21 PM

EyeballKid: Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.

A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...


I never defended laugh tracks. I just pointed out how lazy it is to blame them for a show being lousy. Do a little work. Blame the writing, premise, characters, acting...

Reading comprehension....how does it work?
 
2013-02-06 12:28:49 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: EyeballKid: Maestro1701: If you don't like TBBT, that's fine. Blaming the laugh tack for your dislike is just lazy.

A laugh track defender calling somebody out for being lazy. It's downright hilarious, if only I had some sort of audio cue that would allow me to better recognize when a situation is funny and I'm supposd to react accordingly...

Let me guess you hate 3 camera shooting also? Some of us can't stand that shaky camera crude aka Modern Family & The Office


Alright, already, you've had your fun, go troll other people now!
 
2013-02-06 12:29:11 PM

Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 533x800]


who is that?
 
2013-02-06 12:36:27 PM

aendeuryu: Not going to RTFA, but fark threads for Season 2 of the Walking Dead were simply awesome, and could have proved the hypothesis of hate watching all on their own.


Yeah, TWD and Fark was my first thought.  Pretty amazing how much that show is watched by people that hate it so much.
 
2013-02-06 12:39:01 PM

Sairobi: To borrow a comment from a review: "This show would be a lot better if it was just Aaron Sorkin showing clips of news events that have happened, and then afterwards saying "That was stupid, I would have done it differently."" Sorkin's 20/20 hindsight got real old real fast with me.


I can agree with that, the "news" segments kept being annoying for the reasons stated. I personally think it got better as the season went on, but you're right, out the gate, it was useless to frame the stories in the way they did.

rugman11: Oh my God.  This.  This is supposed to be a show about "how to do news right."  Apparently "doing news right" means having a college roommate who's a VP at BP (heh) and a sister's boyfriend who's a mid-level manager with the EPA who can break the oil spill story for you.  God forbid newspeople actually do any information gathering.  Apparently, they should just have high level sources everywhere who break the stories for them.


Agreed. It would definitely be more interesting to show some ACTUAL investigative journalism, instead of lucking out and knowing a guy. Unless you're investigating "trolling websites". That subplot was just frigging stupid.

Mid_mo_mad_man: What's next a joke about me porking my pigs?

s12.postimage.org
Well? Did you cum or what?
 
2013-02-06 12:48:02 PM

gunga galunga: Which is why I personally feel that he should have more of a sense of awe in that his dreams that he was living in a fairy tale were true. Having wished upon a star and all that.

I also have the same problem with Daniel Radcliffe's performance in the first Harry Potter movie. Hagrid tells him he's a wizard and he reacts as if he's just been told he won a free subscription to Boy's Life.


Maybe they are just so beaten by life and outcasts that they are dull to wonderment?

Also, if somebody that looks like a giant hobo and stank of booze came up to you and said "Hey, your a wizard!"  wouldn't you be a little bit skeptical?  Especially if your self esteem has been taking a beating your entire life?
 
2013-02-06 12:49:49 PM
I don't understand how anyone can hate a television show. Watching a TV show is, for the most part, purely voluntary.
Does this hate arise from people recounting parts of the show at work? Is it because a spouse insists on watching the show?

You have to wonder about a person's emotional condition if they actually hate a television show. As for people who take pleasure in slagging on someone else for liking a particular show, that's aggressive, unpleasant behavior. Grow up. Get a life.
 
2013-02-06 12:57:55 PM

YodaBlues: Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Dude...it's just a show, sure a lazy shiatty show, but just entertainment. Not worth randomly attacking people over.

Maybe you should go outside for a bit, take a breath...get that stick removed from your butt. It might calm you down.


He's not talking about the show, dumbass, he talking about the zealotry of its detractors.

I love how they all seem to think nerds and geeks should be some sort of protected minority. Sheesh.
 
2013-02-06 12:58:36 PM
Good crap, whatever happened to watching what you like and not giving a flying fark what others think?
 
2013-02-06 01:04:35 PM

Welfare Peanut Butter: ObeliskToucher: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

My local NPR affiliate did a story about hate-watching and "2nd screen watching" (aka watching TV while simultaneously talking about it online.....sounds familiar) a couple weeks ago. As I was listening, the hate-watch thing sounded so absurd, but then I realized that I'm a hate watcher of "Project Runway". The show pisses me off so much, yet I watch beacuse I love to hate it, and I hate myself for loving to hate it. It's a complete shame spiral.

/Did the same thing with "Torchwood"
//BARROWMAN!!

You sound like you prefer "Glee"...

/NTTIAWWT

From a pure musical theater nerd standpoint, I enjoy the arragements of some of the songs they do. The show itself isn't great, so I don't bother with it.


I watch Glee with the wifey and couldn't agree more with what you said.
 
2013-02-06 01:04:35 PM

Madbassist1: He's not talking about the show, dumbass, he talking about the zealotry of its detractors.

I love how they all seem to think nerds and geeks should be some sort of protected minority. Sheesh.


What crawled up your pooper? You should read the entire exchange before sounding off. He's that one person over a fairly innocuous and facetious comment, calling them "hipster dumb asses" OVER A SHOW.

Not cause they attacked him or his beliefs or anything of substance, but because they don't like a show that he does.

Calm down dude, jesus.
 
2013-02-06 01:05:19 PM

YodaBlues: What crawled up your pooper? You should read the entire exchange before sounding off. He's attacking that one person over a fairly innocuous and facetious comment, calling them "hipster dumb asses" OVER A SHOW.

Not cause they attacked him or his beliefs or anything of substance, but because they don't like a show that he does.

Calm down dude, jesus


/ugh, comment fail
 
2013-02-06 01:05:27 PM

Madbassist1: YodaBlues: Mid_mo_mad_man: You sound like the typical hipster d-bag. I'm way to intelligent for TBBT. I watch show XYZ. You wouldn't get it etc.
You ever think the reason you hate it because it hits to close to home?

Dude...it's just a show, sure a lazy shiatty show, but just entertainment. Not worth randomly attacking people over.

Maybe you should go outside for a bit, take a breath...get that stick removed from your butt. It might calm you down.

He's not talking about the show, dumbass, he talking about the zealotry of its detractors.

I love how they all seem to think nerds and geeks should be some sort of protected minority. Sheesh.




That's my point. They know everything about show they claim to hate and not watch. Turn the channel if it bothers you so much.
 
2013-02-06 01:05:59 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Good crap, whatever happened to watching what you like and not giving a flying fark what others think?


The internet was invented.

I'm sure if some form of lingering instant mass communication was around during I Love Lucy or The Honeymooners it would be the same.
 
2013-02-06 01:07:44 PM

Burr: Dr J Zoidberg: Good crap, whatever happened to watching what you like and not giving a flying fark what others think?

The internet was invented.

I'm sure if some form of lingering instant mass communication was around during I Love Lucy or The Honeymooners it would be the same.


ZOMG, THEY CHANGED THE NUMBER OF LUCY'S APARTMENT FROM 3-B TO 3-D JUST TO MAKE ONE JOKE!

WORST EPISODE EVER!

/that actually did happen.
 
2013-02-06 01:18:10 PM

YodaBlues: Madbassist1: He's not talking about the show, dumbass, he talking about the zealotry of its detractors.

I love how they all seem to think nerds and geeks should be some sort of protected minority. Sheesh.

What crawled up your pooper? You should read the entire exchange before sounding off. He's that one person over a fairly innocuous and facetious comment, calling them "hipster dumb asses" OVER A SHOW.

Not cause they attacked him or his beliefs or anything of substance, but because they don't like a show that he does.

Calm down dude, jesus.




Actually I was attacking her comparing a show about my fellow nerds to black face. That's a stupid thing to say. If I were an African American farker I would be offended. She seem to have that I'm being oppressed because of my greatness attitude. Hate smug people
 
2013-02-06 01:18:12 PM

gunga galunga: Burr: Also, I find Once upon A Time entertaining as well (A little cheesy sometimes, but still engrossing)

I wish I could get into that show more than I am. The main problem for me is the actress playing the evil queen is just so boring. She's supposed to be a Disney Villain for Jiminy Cricket's sake. She should be the most over-the-top character in the show.

The kid being a weak actor is also a big problem for me. He plays his character with far too much matter-of-factness instead of a sense of wonderment.

OTOH, Ginnifer Goodwin is so gosh darn adorable, as are a lot of other princesses in the show.


I want "Emma" to wake up to someone calling for Dr. Cameron, find herself still at Princeton-Plainsboro, and "Regina" as the hospital administrator
 
2013-02-06 01:21:00 PM

OtherLittleGuy: I want "Emma" to wake up to someone calling for Dr. Cameron, find herself still at Princeton-Plainsboro, and "Regina" as the hospital administrator


I would have loved it if Belle started flipping out about her baby and somebody named "Ethan" when she crossed the line
 
2013-02-06 01:25:34 PM
I think hate not-watching is far more common.  I hate all sorts of shows I have never, ever seen.
 
2013-02-06 01:31:37 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Actually I was attacking her comparing a show about my fellow nerds to black face. That's a stupid thing to say. If I were an African American farker I would be offended. She seem to have that I'm being oppressed because of my greatness attitude. Hate smug people


I get what you mean, but, come on, it was a turn of phrase to describe a very specific sentiment, ie, non-nerds acting out pre-conceived notions of a specific stereotype for cheap laughs. That said, it was hardly any reason to go all stabby on the person and start in with the "HIPSETERE DBAGLOLLOL!!!1!". This is Fark after all, pretty sure anyone who browses the site on a semi-regular basis knows to leave their political correctness at the door.

[UGONNAGETRAPED.jpg]
/i keed, i keed
 
2013-02-06 01:36:43 PM

EyeballKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: Let me guess you like community or some other to smart for the rest of us comdey?

I know the internet and texting have made proper spelling irrelevant, but with any intellect-based criticism, I'd suggest a spell check before posting.


LOL.  You sound like Sheldon.
 
2013-02-06 01:42:48 PM

Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.


It has made its way into the alphabet soup of cop shows the wifey and will watch together.  I like it just fine.  Its kind of a stretch sometimes in terms of what ol'boy with "The Machine" is able to do.  They went so far as to suggest it is self-aware a week or two ago.  And, when/where does anyone on that show sleep?
 
2013-02-06 01:45:42 PM

ranak: The reason I watch...
[www2.pictures.stylebistro.com image 488x594]


This.
 
2013-02-06 01:46:42 PM

verbaltoxin: Nurglitch: I admit that I started watching after I heard about Sheldon spanking his girlfriend, watched the clip associated with the story, and promptly jerked it to the expression on Amy's face.

Mayim Bialik, whoa!

/Yeah yeah, she's no Melissa Rauch.
//But she cleans up good and she's a legit Ph. D.


...when she's not misusing that PhD to pedal anti-scientific bullshiat like trying to convince mothers to share their bed with their newborn children and anti-vaccine nonsense
 
2013-02-06 01:49:24 PM

Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".


Why do people so enjoy saying stupid, racist things on the Internet?
 
2013-02-06 01:51:51 PM

BullBearMS: rugman11: has there ever been a bigger gap between critical adoration and the audience?

Better Off Ted

Incredible show, that nobody watched.  You can't fault the network.  They advertised the hell out of it.

Watch this and try to keep a straight face.  NSFW Language


The network kept moving it around from night-to-night, skipping some weeks, and just using it as filler material.  The entire series is on Netflix, though, and is one of my favorite shows.
 
2013-02-06 01:53:53 PM

meanmutton: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

Why do people so enjoy saying stupid, racist things on the Internet?


For the same reason people love finding racism in things that aren't?
 
2013-02-06 01:56:21 PM
Shows I have hate-watched in the past: Felicity and 7th Heaven.

Felicity was crazy, and it used to drive me nuts how they didn't use phones, just showed up at people's apartments.
7th Heaven was the only thing on tv at the time and the kids were the worst kids for being children of a minister. Every show basically had a "oh was that wrong? should I not have done that?" moment.

I don't hate-watch anymore. I barely have time for the shows I like watching.
 
2013-02-06 01:56:31 PM

meanmutton: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

Why do people so enjoy saying stupid, racist things on the Internet?


Why do stupid people enjoy calling people racist?

From Wiki:
"Blackface is a form of theatrical makeup used in minstrel shows, and later vaudeville, in which performers create a stereotyped caricature of a black person."

By calling it "nerd blackface" someone is making the statement that the show is creating a stereotyped caricature of a "nerd"

From Websters:
"Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

Now please show your work how someone comparing negative nerd stereotyping to negative black stereotyping is showing any form of belief that black people are inferior.
 
2013-02-06 01:57:03 PM

bulsd: Don't get me wrong, i love that someone thought enough about Bob Saget to give him a job for this long.


It's all been worth it for Monday's episode making fun of Alanis Morrisette, Behind the Music, and Full House.
 
2013-02-06 01:57:37 PM

YodaBlues: Madbassist1: He's not talking about the show, dumbass, he talking about the zealotry of its detractors.

I love how they all seem to think nerds and geeks should be some sort of protected minority. Sheesh.

What crawled up your pooper? You should read the entire exchange before sounding off. He's that one person over a fairly innocuous and facetious comment, calling them "hipster dumb asses" OVER A SHOW.

Not cause they attacked him or his beliefs or anything of substance, but because they don't like a show that he does.

Calm down dude, jesus.


I know, right? getting worked up over a show???


YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh,fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."

 
2013-02-06 02:01:11 PM

DubyaHater: The writers need to admit that Sheldon is autistic.
/Bazinga


They can't. Autistic groups would get up in arms over any aspect of his performance that was deemed negative, stereotypical, or inaccurate.

By not identifying it (opting instead to all but saying that he is by his list of behaviors and symptoms), they get to portray an autistic character without having to worry about any PC outrage.
 
2013-02-06 02:01:41 PM

meanmutton: ...when she's not misusing that PhD to pedal anti-scientific bullshiat like trying to convince mothers to share their bed with their newborn children and anti-vaccine nonsense


earth911.com

What something to pedal might look like

/peddle proper spelling to the metal
//bazinga!
 
2013-02-06 02:06:33 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: DubyaHater: The writers need to admit that Sheldon is autistic.

/Bazinga

They can't. Autistic groups would get up in arms over any aspect of his performance that was deemed negative, stereotypical, or inaccurate.

By not identifying it (opting instead to all but saying that he is by his list of behaviors and symptoms), they get to portray an autistic character without having to worry about any PC outrage.


Its this mindset that has driven the spectrum of diagnosis broader and broader.  That condition has gone from a very weird story arc on St Elsewhere, to PSAs that claim 1 in 88 children are so diagnosed.  The same PSAs used to say 1 in 110.  A few years before that, it was 1 in 150.

Why does everyone have to have a label?
 
2013-02-06 02:06:46 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: DubyaHater: The writers need to admit that Sheldon is autistic.
/Bazinga

They can't. Autistic groups would get up in arms over any aspect of his performance that was deemed negative, stereotypical, or inaccurate.

By not identifying it (opting instead to all but saying that he is by his list of behaviors and symptoms), they get to portray an autistic character without having to worry about any PC outrage.


Ah, makes sense.  Thank you
 
2013-02-06 02:10:47 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 533x800]

who is that?


Melissa Rauch, Bernadette on The Big Bang Theory.

www.picsdrive.com
 
2013-02-06 02:13:06 PM

Madbassist1: YodaBlues: Madbassist1: He's not talking about the show, dumbass, he talking about the zealotry of its detractors.

I love how they all seem to think nerds and geeks should be some sort of protected minority. Sheesh.

What crawled up your pooper? You should read the entire exchange before sounding off. He's that one person over a fairly innocuous and facetious comment, calling them "hipster dumb asses" OVER A SHOW.

Not cause they attacked him or his beliefs or anything of substance, but because they don't like a show that he does.

Calm down dude, jesus.

I know, right? getting worked up over a show???


YodaBlues: Digitalstrange: Eh,fark off Bittermitter. TBBT is a cute, harmless show that makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing even as it caricaturizes it shamelessly.

No it doesn't.

tl;dr version:"The humour in The Big Bang theory relies on the audience siding with and relating to Penny, the character coded as "normal" in comparison to the main four guys. It also relies on the audience having a sense of superiority over Leonard, Raj, Sheldon and Howard. We're supposed to feel like we're cooler than them and that we're better than them. This then prompts us to laugh at the things which make them nerdy, which stop them being cool, which make them lesser. This is done, in my opinion, to stop them from seeming intimidating. It's essentially Chuck Lorre saying "Don't worry, these guys may have fancy degrees, they may be more successful and more intelligent than you but they like sci-fi and read comics. They're socially awkward and can't speak to girls. You're much cooler than they are so you're still better than them."


And I appear to be getting worked up....where exactly? I didn't write that article, so I'm not sure what you're trying to emphasize here.I'm not the one going around  calling people dumb asses and hipsters and generally attacking random people on the intarwebs for having different opinions regarding entertainment. I think TBBT sucks and the article I posted was relevant because its argument was counter to the claim that "TBBT makes being a nerd a little less stigmatizing" made by someone else. If you like it, whatever, I don't care, but here is why I don't and you are free to tell me why you do.

Like I said previously, go look at the actual exchange. One person said TBBT was "nerd black face", a comment that, while provocative sure, is hardly out of the ordinary for Fark and in 3 words pretty much tells you how they feel about the show. The reply consisted of "HIPSTER DUMBASS PRIUS NPR!!!LOLOL!!1!"

Whose getting worked up now?

Anyway, my point is simply you can have meaningful discussions about shows and entertainment without getting all pissy and acting like a fan of Community raped you as a little boy. Me not liking something is not tantamount to me attacking them.
 
2013-02-06 02:21:39 PM
Save yourself a lot of time and just watch The Soup(10 eastern tonight on E!).
 
2013-02-06 02:22:57 PM

bulsd: Bslim: bulsd: That explains how i just watched all the episodes of "How I Met Your Mother" on netflix.

Ooooof, you gonna be okay?

Yeah, i think so.  I co-marathoned episodes of Red Dwarf to separate it all.  Honestly, I, to this day, do not understand our obsession with Robin, and the woman that plays her.  She's not that attractive, IMO and isn't that funny either.


She's not supermodel hot but she is pretty. she enjoys sports, cold beer, and knows which end of a handgun gets pointed toward the bad-guy. *Shrug* She seems like a fun gal.
 
2013-02-06 02:26:12 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: to smart for the rest of us comdey?


*too smart...

//sorry, pet peeve
 
2013-02-06 02:33:40 PM

rhiannon: Burr: Also, what is the Fark consensus on Person of Interest?

I for one enjoy it, but I never hear much about it on here.

My favorite new show of the past year or two. It has a lot of the original Mission Impossible feel to some of it.


Now, that's a show I hate-watch. For some reason, I cannot stand Jim Caviezel; never liked him, never will. But damn if I'm not there almost every week, wondering why the hell I'm watching this show.
 
2013-02-06 02:35:29 PM
Gave BBT seven or eight episodes on an ex's request but it didn't entice me to keep watching. For the life of her should couldn't fathom why I enjoyed Father Ted, The Inbetweeners, and Peep Show.  Should have known that relationship was doomed from the get-go.

I did get some chuckles out of the camping episode.  Maybe they should do more stoner episodes and give the characters a chance to unwind.
 
2013-02-06 02:37:55 PM

Friend_Computer: Gave BBT seven or eight episodes on an ex's request but it didn't entice me to keep watching. For the life of her should couldn't fathom why I enjoyed Father Ted, The Inbetweeners, and Peep Show.  Should have known that relationship was doomed from the get-go.

I did get some chuckles out of the camping episode.  Maybe they should do more stoner episodes and give the characters a chance to unwind.


If someone likes TNBS, and can't like Father Ted, you should just run away immediately, preferably while calling them nasty names.
 
2013-02-06 02:59:46 PM
Why do the haters single out TBBT for having a laugh track? I find Laugh tracks as annoying as the next guy, but sitcoms have been using them since before TV was even invented. I like TBBT and I can think up bigger complaints about it than that....
 
2013-02-06 03:00:35 PM

FirstNationalBastard: meanmutton: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

Why do people so enjoy saying stupid, racist things on the Internet?

For the same reason people love finding racism in things that aren't?


For the love of Bea Arthur, people, calm down. I honestly don't care about TBBT one way or another, it's just not a very good show. Again, this doesn't make me a hipster, or racist, or anything other than a person who doesn't like The Big Bang Theory. If you like it, that's cool. We can still be friends. Heck, ask nicely enough and I might make you a sandwich.

/it's not a racist comment
//someone posted a helpful definition upthread of what blackface is
///like I said, theater nerd
 
2013-02-06 03:01:39 PM

Welfare Peanut Butter: FirstNationalBastard: meanmutton: Welfare Peanut Butter: Ah, The Big Bang Theory. Or, as I like to call it, "The Nerd Blackface Show".

Why do people so enjoy saying stupid, racist things on the Internet?

For the same reason people love finding racism in things that aren't?

For the love of Bea Arthur, people, calm down. I honestly don't care about TBBT one way or another, it's just not a very good show. Again, this doesn't make me a hipster, or racist, or anything other than a person who doesn't like The Big Bang Theory. If you like it, that's cool. We can still be friends. Heck, ask nicely enough and I might make you a sandwich.

/it's not a racist comment
//someone posted a helpful definition upthread of what blackface is
///like I said, theater nerd


Bea Arthur was kind of hot when she was young.
 
2013-02-06 03:10:12 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Save yourself a lot of time and just watch The Soup(10 eastern tonight on E!).


CLIPSHOW BLACKFACE!
 
2013-02-06 03:11:02 PM
This is why I watched SMASH last season.  Though I hear they have a new showrunner and that the new season might actually not be a Mary-Snooze fest.
 
2013-02-06 03:14:32 PM

Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 800x300]


I don't hate anything about dat ass.
 
2013-02-06 03:18:00 PM
On the BBT vs Community battle, I am strongly on the Community side, but that doesn't mean I won't chuckle at a few gags during BBT reruns on TBS.

My hate watch show right now is Alias. I feel that I have to stick with it on Netflix even though it is just absurd (late 2nd season).

The show I can't handle is Two Broke Girls. What absolute dreck. I like stupid humor, my favorite comedy is Dumb and Dumber and my wife and I laughed our asses off at Rules of Engagement last night, but even Denning's assets can't get me to watch more than 30 seconds of that drivel.

/POI got way better as the season went on last year. I'll give them some room to adjust to everyone knowing about Emerson/Caveizel.
 
2013-02-06 03:18:39 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 800x300]

I don't hate anything about dat ass.


I only hate that I'm not buried face-first in it.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-06 03:19:12 PM
I've been hate watching Burn Notice for nearly a decade.  Main actor is just terrible, worst fake accents ever.  'Sexy' female lead looks like Skeletor.  Luckily it has Bruce Campbell in it.  They got the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who burned Michael.  Watch this season when they catch the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who ordered the guy who burned Michael.
 
2013-02-06 03:28:37 PM

FirstNationalBastard: DarkSoulNoHope: They said the same thing about Howard Stern.

That's exactly what I thought.

What was that quote from Private Parts...?

Something about the average Stern fan listening for an hour and 20 minutes per day, but the Stern haters listening for two-and-a-half hours?


Seems to be who 90% of political blogs get their stories. Watch/lidten to something or somebody they don't like for hours to get enough to write that one paragraph of hate.

/the other 10% steals it
 
2013-02-06 03:29:04 PM
Honestly, what's the point?

The minute I started to hate MTV, I stopped watching.

I saw one episode of Jersey Shore with my sister... I loathed it, never watched again.

I know about shows like the Kardassians, or Honey Boo Boo, and that kind of "reality" stuff... Seem like the kind of shows that I would hate, so I've never bothered watched them.

I know that a dose of hatred can be healthy from time to time (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!), but why bother on keep watching something that you hate?

/Did someone already mentioned "Nerd Blackface" and "Geek Minstrel show"?
//And how "bronies are pedos"?
 
2013-02-06 03:29:46 PM

BullBearMS: Better Off Ted

Incredible show, that nobody watched. You can't fault the network. They advertised the hell out of it.

Watch this and try to keep a straight face. NSFW Language


God I loved that show.  That clip is incredible.
 
2013-02-06 03:57:48 PM
I think it's just the TV variant of so-bad-it's-funny movies. There's sort of an inverse uncanny valley though; it can get so bad that it's no longer entertaining to watch.

My list of watch-it-because-it's-bad TV:
2 Broke Girls
Revenge (season 2 and on, season 1 was pretty sweet)
Once Upon a Time (season 1, season 2 was unwatchable)
Whatever new show Matthew Perry is on.
 
2013-02-06 04:17:34 PM
This thread blows, so I guess I'm hate Farking?
 
2013-02-06 04:28:49 PM

HaywoodJablonski: This thread blows, so I guess I'm hate Farking?


I believe that's still called "rape." Too much info, but glad to know nonetheless.
 
2013-02-06 04:29:12 PM

HaywoodJablonski: This thread blows, so I guess I'm hate Farking?


We had a good thing going with the Melissa/Kaley pics, but then it turned into NERDFIGHT
 
2013-02-06 04:38:35 PM

Girion47: Now please show your work how someone comparing negative nerd stereotyping to negative black stereotyping is showing any form of belief that black people are inferior.


I haven't read the entire thread, but my issue with the "nerd minstrel" complaint is that it's a flat-out stupid analogy to compare sitcom nerds to the systematic dehumanization of black people in our nation's history.

I also have issues with comparing people to Nazis who aren't part of an actual genocidal regime and likening ones hatred of the Star Wars prequels to being raped.

What can I say? Issues. I has them.
 
2013-02-06 04:45:15 PM

JRaynor: Mid_mo_mad_man: to smart for the rest of us comdey?

*too smart...

//sorry, pet peeve


But comdey doesn't bother you?
 
2013-02-06 04:54:31 PM

Wellon Dowd: Dr J Zoidberg: Wellon Dowd: [i.imgur.com image 533x800]

who is that?

A fake picture of Melissa Rauch, Bernadette on The Big Bang Theory.

[www.picsdrive.com image 664x703]


Adjusted

/she's over 18, surprised you know who she is ;-)
 
2013-02-06 05:07:10 PM

YodaBlues: Anyway, my point is simply you can have meaningful discussions about shows and entertainment without getting all pissy and acting like a fan of Community raped you as a little boy. Me not liking something is not tantamount to me attacking them.


And my point (which went right over your head), is that you sanctimoniously point your finger at other people who get worked up over television shows, and yet you slag on a show...and have citations ready to back up your point. LMAO And you think everyone else is taking it too seriously???

Seriously. Get over yourself.
 
2013-02-06 05:15:15 PM

Bedstead Polisher: Shows I have hate-watched in the past: Felicity and 7th Heaven.

Felicity was crazy, and it used to drive me nuts how they didn't use phones, just showed up at people's apartments.
7th Heaven was the only thing on tv at the time and the kids were the worst kids for being children of a minister. Every show basically had a "oh was that wrong? should I not have done that?" moment.

I don't hate-watch anymore. I barely have time for the shows I like watching.


I used to watch Felicity only because Keri Russel was such an absolute babe. And I didn't even like the show. Not sure if I hated it, though. Then again, there have been several shows I've watched that I didn't like but watched them simply because of some of the eye candy. Not sure if that's in line with the point of the linked article.
 
2013-02-06 05:29:30 PM

Jake Havechek: Remember "Hello, Larry"?

/get of my lawn


A spin-off of D'ffrent Stokes. We shoukd be roommates at the home.
 
2013-02-06 05:40:00 PM

Madbassist1: And my point (which went right over your head), is that you sanctimoniously point your finger at other people who get worked up over television shows, and yet you slag on a show...and have citations ready to back up your point. LMAO And you think everyone else is taking it too seriously???

Seriously. Get over yourself.


I'm sorry if I've somehow offended you dude. I apologize if perhaps my musings are coming across incorrectly and perhaps you are taking offense for some reason, cause man, you seem pissed off about something. I'm being dead serious here by the way, I don't understand why you are so pissy. I mean, you're calling me a sanctimonious finger pointer and a dumbass and yadda yadda...because I don't mind have a discussion about TV WITHOUT getting all hot and bothered about it?

Once again, look at the original exchange between the people I was responding to and then your reply to me. YOU attacked me cause I pointed out an unnecessarily hostile exchange (already quoted above) between 2 people over a television show and you continue to attack me when I'm pretty sure I've said nothing worth attacking.

And that blog post has been linked in pretty much every TBBT thread that pops up here, so it should be old news by now.

Again, my point: here are the reasons why I don't like this show, that blog post nicely sums it up, so instead of re-hashing it, I posted it with a quick snippet.I never attacked people for liking some dumbass show, I did it cause a difference of opinion over a stupid show is no reason to be a asshole. You don't seem to be able to make the distinction, so perhaps I should make it again:  I never attacked people for liking some dumbass show, I did it cause a difference of opinion over a stupid show is no reason to be a asshole.

I hope that clears things up.
 
2013-02-06 06:25:50 PM
ZIMBABWE
 
2013-02-06 06:49:19 PM

gunga galunga: Girion47: Now please show your work how someone comparing negative nerd stereotyping to negative black stereotyping is showing any form of belief that black people are inferior.

I haven't read the entire thread, but my issue with the "nerd minstrel" complaint is that it's a flat-out stupid analogy to compare sitcom nerds to the systematic dehumanization of black people in our nation's history.

I also have issues with comparing people to Nazis who aren't part of an actual genocidal regime and likening ones hatred of the Star Wars prequels to being raped.

What can I say? Issues. I has them.


The minstrel shows weren't to dehumanize, they were a caricature of what the producers thought of the black race, not some masterminded process to make black people look worse, they were already thought of poorly.
 
2013-02-07 12:42:39 AM

23FPB23: Some 'Splainin' To Do: DubyaHater: The writers need to admit that Sheldon is autistic.
/Bazinga

They can't. Autistic groups would get up in arms over any aspect of his performance that was deemed negative, stereotypical, or inaccurate.

By not identifying it (opting instead to all but saying that he is by his list of behaviors and symptoms), they get to portray an autistic character without having to worry about any PC outrage.

Its this mindset that has driven the spectrum of diagnosis broader and broader.  That condition has gone from a very weird story arc on St Elsewhere, to PSAs that claim 1 in 88 children are so diagnosed.  The same PSAs used to say 1 in 110.  A few years before that, it was 1 in 150.

Why does everyone have to have a label?


Because if you have a label you have an excuse to be imperfect.
 
2013-02-07 03:22:36 AM
Weird story bro in dead thread:

I used to watch TBBT occasionally while at the gym.  No audio, just captions.  I liked the show.  It was clever, funny, and reasonably endearing, all things considered.  Some months later, I was at home and found an episode playing.  I watched it with audio, for the first time.

I couldn't stand it.  I was so distracted by the awful acting that none of the jokes seemed funny.  I couldn't manage to like the characters for the poor delivery by their actors.  Where am I going with this?  Nowhere, I guess.  It just struck me as interesting that I liked the show so much more when I'd only seen it with captions.  Innocence lost, never regained.

/wsb
 
2013-02-07 04:22:58 AM

thecpt: This is popular in movies i feel.

Uwe Boll


Yeah, this might explain how I watched Lars Von Trier's Antichrist.
 
2013-02-07 04:33:28 AM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: This doesn't indicate "hate" it indicates being in denial that you actually enjoy a show. If you hated it you wouldn't watch it and spend time talking about it.

Some people have too much time on their hands. For everything else in life I do enjoy I don't have hours/half-hours to waste on something I don't.


Kind of agree. Only thing I can come up with that I sort of hate-watch is CSI, and only when it comes on after something I like and I can't find anything else on. I swear CSI is just Law and Order For Dummies with the lights turned off.

That said, I hate myself for watching Too Cute (the kittens and puppies show). It's the closest I get to reality TV, though. Secondhand embarrassment is too painful for me with the real stuff.
 
2013-02-07 05:42:58 AM
I guess I could say I actually "hate-watch" a show. It's The Millionaire Match Maker.

For those who've never seen it: The "matchmaker" is one of the lowest forms of life on TV. She's forever single....yes a matchmaker who can't find a husband for herself. BTW she also looks like a bad tranny. Last week she bemoaned about how men aren't gentlemen anymore, but screeches at the top of her lungs about men's dicks all of the time and is one of the most disgusting chicks on TV next to Honey Boo Boo's thumb mom. Her two assistants are married. Imagine a fat goth cutter married to a Hispanic hispster goth with a two foot mohawk who have to kiss her ass. The beginning of the episodes USED to say she had a 95% success rate, and not once has she successfully set up a couple. In fact, 99% the "couple" hate each other. And at the end she screeches at the clients and throws them out because THEY are the failure.

I hate reality TV because it's essentially fake. So this is a "reality tv" show that they can't even fake the couple into liking each other. Each episode I watch, I hope is the one where a giant anvil falls from out of nowhere and crushes the matchmaker. I hate every person on this show...and yet I watch it every week. I "fail laugh" a hell of a lot more at this show than I do at sitcoms.
 
2013-02-07 07:57:58 AM

Flying Code Monkey: I couldn't stand it. I was so distracted by the awful acting that none of the jokes seemed funny. I couldn't manage to like the characters for the poor delivery by their actors.


I'm the same way about Two Broke Girls.  I kept seeing animated gifs made from the show that were really funny, so I gave it a try.

I'll just stick to the gifs.

Sometimes the writing is hysterical, but I can't get into the delivery.
 
2013-02-07 10:08:53 AM

BullBearMS: Flying Code Monkey: I couldn't stand it. I was so distracted by the awful acting that none of the jokes seemed funny. I couldn't manage to like the characters for the poor delivery by their actors.

I'm the same way about Two Broke Girls.  I kept seeing animated gifs made from the show that were really funny, so I gave it a try.

I'll just stick to the gifs.

Sometimes the writing is hysterical, but I can't get into the delivery.


I've never seen Two Broke Girls but when I heard my Glee-watching 60 year old aunt say it was really corny, that was a really good indicator that it's not worth giving a shot. And watching for the eye candy doesn't make much sense when there are porn stars that are hotter.
 
2013-02-07 12:44:08 PM
Has anyone pointed out that hate watching television shows is like reading Fark threads?
 
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