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2013-02-06 09:53:12 AM
7 votes:
images.elephantjournal.com
2013-02-06 09:52:37 AM
7 votes:
I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.
2013-02-06 09:54:08 AM
5 votes:
Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really
2013-02-06 05:55:45 AM
5 votes:
Nice article, but probably a waste of time.

I've been walking my dog (a fully papered Rottweiler), and have had people come up to me and start lecturing me on "pitbulls", and how they are vicious and unpredictable and have locking jaws and the bite strength of a car-crusher.

I used to argue with them, but I have found it is more fun to solicit their expertise. Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves, have an inbred hatred of humans, and amazingly enough, like to track down children because of an instinct to hunt defenseless prey.

The best lectures seem to come from people wearing little fish lapel pins and dragging around a herd of misbehaved and ill-mannered children.
2013-02-06 10:11:50 AM
4 votes:
Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.
2013-02-06 09:56:37 AM
3 votes:
mountaindistress.com
2013-02-06 10:13:24 AM
2 votes:

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.
2013-02-06 10:08:52 AM
2 votes:
The problem is Blacks and Hispanics using them as status symbols.
2013-02-06 09:38:49 AM
2 votes:
It's really as simple as this:  if you are bitten by a Chihuahua you rinse it off, put a band aid on it and go about your business.  If you are bitten by any large breed dog, you are likely going to the hospital.  Are pit bulls more "dangerous" than a Pug?  Yes.  Does that make them "monsters"?  No.

I don't care what kind of dog it is, when people are injured by a dog it is the responsibility of the dog's owner, and the owners needs to be held accountable civilly and criminally.
2013-02-06 11:05:10 PM
1 votes:

LadyHawke: Good article.  The fiance and I plan to eventually adopt a pit, though it won't be our first dog (while he's owned dogs growing up, I have not, so I want to start with an "easier" dog, such as a greyhound).  A pit/pit-mix rescue will most likely be our second dog.


A Greyhound isn't an easier dog.   You really need to talk to someone who really understands dog personalities and traits.   You need a custom ordered dog type that matches yours....don't go Greyhound unless you have lots of time and a place to let them run daily.
2013-02-06 03:50:16 PM
1 votes:

MaddMango: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 650x437]

My pit is very cool around most people and all dogs.  I have found that the people he doesn't like are crooked.


Never trust a man who doesn't like dogs.
Never trust a man who dogs don't like.
2013-02-06 02:59:46 PM
1 votes:
I wonder if the people saying, "Blame the owner, not the dog" would say the same about guns.
2013-02-06 01:06:18 PM
1 votes:

havocmike: Bullshiat.

Please alert me the next time a Dalmation or Golden Retriever kills a 4 year old child, and the owner blames the kid.

fark you, dangerous dog owners. You're all in denial and it's putting your community at risk.


You're 100% correct. No one has ever heard of a golden retreiver viciously attacking a child (link not safe for lunch) because it simply doesn't happen, amirite?

/consider yourself alerted
2013-02-06 12:33:24 PM
1 votes:
The thing with pitbulls is that they're a high-energy breed. They need a lot of exercise and a lot of attention and socialization. They're friendly dogs over all, but when you keep a breed that requires exercise and active socialization chained in a backyard you're going to create a dog who is slightly unhinged and aggressive. They're not stupid dogs, they're easy as hell to train via positive reinforcement, but they're a hands-on breed. They need regular walks on a harness with frequent trips to the dog park. What they don't need are assholes who have no idea what to do with a dog, and who might even be slightly afraid of them, keeping them chained up.

Just like with my doberman. He needs a yard to run in and constant socialization or he gets a bit stir crazy and acts like an asshole. A daily walk and trips to the dog park at least once a week keep him from becoming aggressive. It's all about how you train your dog.
2013-02-06 12:23:57 PM
1 votes:
Bullshiat.

Please alert me the next time a Dalmation or Golden Retriever kills a 4 year old child, and the owner blames the kid.

fark you, dangerous dog owners. You're all in denial and it's putting your community at risk.
2013-02-06 11:56:41 AM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Damn that media!! How dare they manipulate me to thinking large breeds can hurt people. DAMN THEM!!


It's not that so much as it's the whole... thing.

German shepherd:  Safe, friendly dog.

Siberian Husky:  Safe, friendly dog.

Pitbull:  VICIOUS KILLING MACHINE.

Problem:  Shepherds are dangerous as hell.  Huskies too, but they're docile.  Pitbulls are also docile.  Shepherds are largely docile because they are dogs that people take care of, because most people get a shepherd because they're pretty and friendly and very good companion dogs--but they are viciously territorial guard dogs and you don't want to attack a shepherd owner, the dog will farking kill you.

So yes, many breeds are dangerous.  Some are more difficult to train, some are more territorial.  Issue seems to be that the pitbull is not very aggressive even under pressure (even aggressive ones tend to quickly revert when removed from a troubling environment), but can be kept violent by continuous mistreatment; while other breeds (like the Shepherd) are largely docile yet territorial and can become dangerous much more easily, yet are ignored and considered safe.

That's the problem:  it's like if we went nuts over scary-looking badass chain fed machine guns, but didn't ban wimpy drum guns that can rapid-fire 200 rounds on a single magazine because they simply don't look that scary--even though they're easier to conceal than a farking 80 pound gatlin gun.
2013-02-06 11:35:23 AM
1 votes:

KatjaMouse: MNguy: MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,

Are you farking kidding?

Basically what TFA said.


Well, I call bullshiat then.  Maybe dog bites aren't reported as much, but a death?
2013-02-06 11:31:10 AM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,


Are you farking kidding?
2013-02-06 11:08:30 AM
1 votes:
i45.tinypic.com
My rescue pitbull. Blind from abuse as a puppy. very gentle with my cat.
2013-02-06 10:48:32 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: MNguy: Carn:   There's a reason why they use them in races.

Just like there's a reason pits are used for fighting.

Funny.

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.  Probably just stand there looking confused.


But you place a fake racing rabbit in front of it, and it'll blow your mind how fast they move at the track.
2013-02-06 10:34:19 AM
1 votes:

DoctorOfLove: Christian Bale: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.

Apparently Ceasar Milan has a different recollection that you.  In comparison to his large dog rescue facility, and his decades of experience rescuing large dogs, how do you rate?



Something like this (PDF) may be more beneficial to the conversation.
2013-02-06 10:30:09 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: UberDave: /But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.

[animal-world.com image 400x340]

You mean a toy or a miniature Poodle, right? The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.


Read one sentence before that - "toy poodle".  Those things are born psychotic.
2013-02-06 10:12:26 AM
1 votes:

LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!


Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue
2013-02-06 10:07:01 AM
1 votes:

DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]


Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.
2013-02-06 10:03:10 AM
1 votes:
If anyone out there has a pit that was bought as a pet and then didn't meet your expectations, then - please please please - contact me so I can help you.  I've got a beautiful ranch with over 120 acres for my dogs to run and play.  There are streams for them to splash in, rabbits for them to chase, and a veterinarian that comes twice a month to give checkups.  You can rest guilt-free at night knowing that your dog is taken care of.

I've specialized in rehabilitating "broken" pits for over twenty years.  A lot of people bring me a problem dog, typically a neutered male, who has seemingly lost its will to live.  It lays around the house, eats too much, and shows no aggression whatsoever.  One guy brought me a dog that was too sociable to even take to the dog park.  It just ran around sniffing the other dogs and peeing on trees.  I know that's not why you bought a pit bull, and no one should have to live with such an animal.

Once your dog arrives at my farm, we'll get started as soon as it steps out of your car.  I'll come tearing up on an ATV swinging a length of chain to beat it with if it slows down.  I'll chase it until it either dies of exhaustion or manages to pull me off of the ATV.  In that case, one of my helpers will tranq it.  We'll all sleep well that night.

The next day, I'll start working on its diet.  We serve nothing but human blood here on the ranch.  I mix it with rocks and animal bones to give it some grit.  On Friday's, I throw a few poodles into the cement retreat area for the dogs to fight over.  Just wait until your dog has eaten the warm entrails of another animal.  He'll soon be right back to how God intended him - a tireless, domineering, blood soaked, murder machine that inspires such worldly achievements as war, late term abortions, and child sexual abuse.

Please - do not give up on your dog.  I can fix him!
2013-02-06 10:00:10 AM
1 votes:
I had a pit bull growing up. I named her Max (short for Maxine). She went everywhere with me and was my best friend. That dog was the single gentlest animal I have ever known. I used her as a pillow when I watched TV. She warmed my feet when we went camping. She never displayed any aggression at all toward anyone. Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.
They didn't put her down because the kid was trespassing- in New Mexico, as soon as you find out that you're unwelcome on private property, you're required to book ass off that land forthwith. Instead, he essentially forced entry in part.
So, yeah, vicious, dangerous animal. We had her 7 more years, my infant sons sat on her, and she was put down 11 years ago at the age of 16. Never so much as an angry noise from that dog, except for that Mormon kid.
To be fair, I would have bit him too.
2013-02-06 09:58:25 AM
1 votes:

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.



It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.
2013-02-06 09:58:25 AM
1 votes:
My SO has a staffordshire terrier. She is the sweetest dog ever. My nephew loves her to death and my dogs love her. Her name is Fenway but is often called Fat Ma'am (she is kinda square shaped) and Freeway (she was thrown out of a Jeep on the highway).

I would not trade spending time with her or my dogs (Pekingnese and St. Bernard) for anything. What I don't like are the mean and violent people that who have ruined several reputations of good breeds.
2013-02-06 09:57:56 AM
1 votes:
So in the end, it pays to be alert around big dogs if you have no idea what their owner is/was like. Which is also why I wouldn't rescue one. Sorry dog.
2013-02-06 09:57:50 AM
1 votes:
My son has a pit/basset hound mix.  Oddest looking thing ever.  Friendly than all get out.
2013-02-06 09:53:18 AM
1 votes:

fireclown: I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.


This. They're a product of their environment as much as people are.
2013-02-06 09:50:01 AM
1 votes:

UberDave: /But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.


animal-world.com

You mean a toy or a miniature Poodle, right? The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.
2013-02-06 09:43:28 AM
1 votes:
I didn't read TFA completely but this has less to do with the dog and more to do with the owner.  If the owner is a dipshiat insecure retard, then chances are more likely the dog will be farking insane.  Having grown up in a lower middle income redneck neighborhood, there were plenty of Pits, Rotts, German Shepards, and Dobermans.  Those things would get out and terrorize the neighborhood.  But like I said, the dog didn't really matter.  There were families with wiener dogs and toy poodles that were just as nuts.


/But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.
 
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