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2013-02-06 02:40:56 AM
As owner of a mixed Husky/Pit let me say they are truly gentle gnats.
 
2013-02-06 05:55:45 AM
Nice article, but probably a waste of time.

I've been walking my dog (a fully papered Rottweiler), and have had people come up to me and start lecturing me on "pitbulls", and how they are vicious and unpredictable and have locking jaws and the bite strength of a car-crusher.

I used to argue with them, but I have found it is more fun to solicit their expertise. Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves, have an inbred hatred of humans, and amazingly enough, like to track down children because of an instinct to hunt defenseless prey.

The best lectures seem to come from people wearing little fish lapel pins and dragging around a herd of misbehaved and ill-mannered children.
 
2013-02-06 08:46:19 AM

mr_a: Nice article, but probably a waste of time.


Yeah, pretty much. If this goes green, prepare to see people flood in posting pics of victims of 'pit bull' attacks with sarcastic phrases like, "Perfect nanny dog!," and "Wouldn't hurt a fly."
 
2013-02-06 08:59:12 AM
And here we go.
 
2013-02-06 09:38:49 AM
It's really as simple as this:  if you are bitten by a Chihuahua you rinse it off, put a band aid on it and go about your business.  If you are bitten by any large breed dog, you are likely going to the hospital.  Are pit bulls more "dangerous" than a Pug?  Yes.  Does that make them "monsters"?  No.

I don't care what kind of dog it is, when people are injured by a dog it is the responsibility of the dog's owner, and the owners needs to be held accountable civilly and criminally.
 
2013-02-06 09:43:28 AM
I didn't read TFA completely but this has less to do with the dog and more to do with the owner.  If the owner is a dipshiat insecure retard, then chances are more likely the dog will be farking insane.  Having grown up in a lower middle income redneck neighborhood, there were plenty of Pits, Rotts, German Shepards, and Dobermans.  Those things would get out and terrorize the neighborhood.  But like I said, the dog didn't really matter.  There were families with wiener dogs and toy poodles that were just as nuts.


/But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.
 
2013-02-06 09:50:01 AM

UberDave: /But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.


animal-world.com

You mean a toy or a miniature Poodle, right? The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.
 
2013-02-06 09:51:58 AM
Pit Bulls do for dog breeds what Jonestown did for powdered kids drinks.
 
2013-02-06 09:52:37 AM
I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.
 
2013-02-06 09:53:12 AM
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2013-02-06 09:53:18 AM

fireclown: I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.


This. They're a product of their environment as much as people are.
 
2013-02-06 09:54:08 AM
Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really
 
2013-02-06 09:54:29 AM
Good article.  The fiance and I plan to eventually adopt a pit, though it won't be our first dog (while he's owned dogs growing up, I have not, so I want to start with an "easier" dog, such as a greyhound).  A pit/pit-mix rescue will most likely be our second dog.
 
2013-02-06 09:55:18 AM

mr_a: The best lectures seem to come from people wearing little fish lapel pins and dragging around a herd of misbehaved and ill-mannered children.


Just tell them your dog doesn't bite. He swallows children whole.
And he hasn't been fed in three days.
 
2013-02-06 09:56:37 AM
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2013-02-06 09:56:49 AM

fireclown: I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.


That's the truth Ruth!

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really


A more sensible statement could not be made.

This is the only breed of dog I would ever own again.
 
2013-02-06 09:57:50 AM
My son has a pit/basset hound mix.  Oddest looking thing ever.  Friendly than all get out.
 
2013-02-06 09:57:56 AM
So in the end, it pays to be alert around big dogs if you have no idea what their owner is/was like. Which is also why I wouldn't rescue one. Sorry dog.
 
2013-02-06 09:58:25 AM
My SO has a staffordshire terrier. She is the sweetest dog ever. My nephew loves her to death and my dogs love her. Her name is Fenway but is often called Fat Ma'am (she is kinda square shaped) and Freeway (she was thrown out of a Jeep on the highway).

I would not trade spending time with her or my dogs (Pekingnese and St. Bernard) for anything. What I don't like are the mean and violent people that who have ruined several reputations of good breeds.
 
2013-02-06 09:58:25 AM

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.



It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.
 
2013-02-06 09:59:04 AM
The problem with Pitbull is that he looks like a douche, makes shiatty club music, and does commercials for Bud Light.  I can't believe there isn't more unanimity on this subject.
 
2013-02-06 09:59:28 AM
Love Pitties, have had 3.  Want another.

Hate the deed, not the breed.

/ok, shlocky and trite, but it was either that or "who rescued who?"
 
2013-02-06 09:59:57 AM

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really


Careful. Bad dog owners might try to get them protected under the second amendment.

/DOG OF FREEDOM(tm)
 
2013-02-06 10:00:10 AM
I had a pit bull growing up. I named her Max (short for Maxine). She went everywhere with me and was my best friend. That dog was the single gentlest animal I have ever known. I used her as a pillow when I watched TV. She warmed my feet when we went camping. She never displayed any aggression at all toward anyone. Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.
They didn't put her down because the kid was trespassing- in New Mexico, as soon as you find out that you're unwelcome on private property, you're required to book ass off that land forthwith. Instead, he essentially forced entry in part.
So, yeah, vicious, dangerous animal. We had her 7 more years, my infant sons sat on her, and she was put down 11 years ago at the age of 16. Never so much as an angry noise from that dog, except for that Mormon kid.
To be fair, I would have bit him too.
 
2013-02-06 10:02:00 AM
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2013-02-06 10:02:39 AM
Pitbulls killed the dinosaurs.
 
2013-02-06 10:02:41 AM

Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.


And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!
 
2013-02-06 10:03:10 AM
If anyone out there has a pit that was bought as a pet and then didn't meet your expectations, then - please please please - contact me so I can help you.  I've got a beautiful ranch with over 120 acres for my dogs to run and play.  There are streams for them to splash in, rabbits for them to chase, and a veterinarian that comes twice a month to give checkups.  You can rest guilt-free at night knowing that your dog is taken care of.

I've specialized in rehabilitating "broken" pits for over twenty years.  A lot of people bring me a problem dog, typically a neutered male, who has seemingly lost its will to live.  It lays around the house, eats too much, and shows no aggression whatsoever.  One guy brought me a dog that was too sociable to even take to the dog park.  It just ran around sniffing the other dogs and peeing on trees.  I know that's not why you bought a pit bull, and no one should have to live with such an animal.

Once your dog arrives at my farm, we'll get started as soon as it steps out of your car.  I'll come tearing up on an ATV swinging a length of chain to beat it with if it slows down.  I'll chase it until it either dies of exhaustion or manages to pull me off of the ATV.  In that case, one of my helpers will tranq it.  We'll all sleep well that night.

The next day, I'll start working on its diet.  We serve nothing but human blood here on the ranch.  I mix it with rocks and animal bones to give it some grit.  On Friday's, I throw a few poodles into the cement retreat area for the dogs to fight over.  Just wait until your dog has eaten the warm entrails of another animal.  He'll soon be right back to how God intended him - a tireless, domineering, blood soaked, murder machine that inspires such worldly achievements as war, late term abortions, and child sexual abuse.

Please - do not give up on your dog.  I can fix him!
 
2013-02-06 10:03:40 AM
I learned it by watching YOU, Dad!!
 
2013-02-06 10:04:23 AM

UberDave: I didn't read TFA completely but this has less to do with the dog and more to do with the owner.  If the owner is a dipshiat insecure retard, then chances are more likely the dog will be farking insane.  Having grown up in a lower middle income redneck neighborhood, there were plenty of Pits, Rotts, German Shepards, and Dobermans.  Those things would get out and terrorize the neighborhood.  But like I said, the dog didn't really matter.  There were families with wiener dogs and toy poodles that were just as nuts.


/But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.


The rednecks around me had great dogs.  All farm dogs who knew who was from the area and what animals belonged in the barn.  Bark at a car when it pulls up, and then begged to be petted when they recognize the driver.
 
2013-02-06 10:05:52 AM
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2013-02-06 10:06:26 AM

The Third Man: The problem with Pitbull is that he looks like a douche, makes shiatty club music, and does commercials for Bud Light.  I can't believe there isn't more unanimity on this subject.


No shiat.  I mean if were going to vote to have anything put down...
 
2013-02-06 10:06:52 AM
Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.

Also, I've watched a couple of those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, and its funny how 9 times out of 10 the abandoned, half-starved dogs are pit bulls. Its like those little purse dogs from a few years back. Some people treat them as status symbols instead of pets.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:01 AM

DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]


Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:47 AM
I have never had any trouble identifying a Pit Bull. After I kill one on my property I put it out by the road and when the owner finds it he tells me if it was a Pit Bull or not.
 
2013-02-06 10:08:52 AM
The problem is Blacks and Hispanics using them as status symbols.
 
2013-02-06 10:08:53 AM

Terrydatroll: I have never had any trouble identifying a Pit Bull. After I kill one on my property I put it out by the road and when the owner finds it he tells me if it was a Pit Bull or not.


Are you the new letrole, or something?
 
2013-02-06 10:09:06 AM
As someone who recently acquired a pitbull because of a friend going on a 2-5 year vacation, I've been getting a kick out of the fearful faces of people I pass on the street when I walk him.  Also the other night I was walking him fairly late and I live in a dodgy neighborhood and a young urbanite crossed the street in a quick jog directly toward me, had apparently not seen the dog until he we about 15 feet away from me and he stopped dead silent. I just said how yah doin and went on my merry way.

Anyway the pit's the sweetest dog I've ever met, very friendly to humans though he does puff up around other dogs of equal or greater size. It's all bark though, I've never seen him bite anything, and he's usually very playful after initial meeting which usually scares the dog owners more than the dogs.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:15 AM

Old enough to know better: Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.

Also, I've watched a couple of those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, and its funny how 9 times out of 10 the abandoned, half-starved dogs are pit bulls. Its like those little purse dogs from a few years back. Some people treat them as status symbols instead of pets.


I love Pitbulls & Parolees.  If the shelter were anywhere near DC we would (eventually) be looking to adopt from there.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:55 AM

mr_a: Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves


Mistaken for the Fila Brasiliero.  The only run-ins I've had with them have been for elective surgery, and both were extremely aggressive in the hospital, away from their owners.  I believe this was the breed involved in killing a woman in San Francisco a number of years back.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:57 AM

Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.


I have a modicum of control over my dogs.  I'd like to have more, but it's hard to train two at a time without a second set of hands.  Hopefully, when my wife finishes med school this summer, we'll put a lot of work into the puppy and get him better off.  We did enough training up front that he listens and responds to training, and I've broken horses that had a lot more...independence...than this spoiled brat.

/Boxer-lab mix, we think.
//He's good with food and personal space, but high energy and wants to play all the time.
///Usually he plays with the Rotty but they get loooooud
////bonus slashie
 
2013-02-06 10:11:01 AM

ChaoticLimbs: That dog was the single gentlest animal I have ever known. I used her as a pillow when I watched TV. She warmed my feet when we went camping. She never displayed any aggression at all toward anyone. Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.


yeah, that's kinda how mine have been.  when my youngest was a toddler, she used to crawl all over Bella (keep in mind, we weren't stupid about it, we'd still be close to the dog because any dog can snap).  she'd just lay there, probably nurturing some dog maternal instinct, as my kid drooled and crawled and poked and prodded at her.

my boy, he's about 72lbs of goofball.  people love him.  strangers honk and wave at us. he just looks funny i guess.  he likes sprinklers.  like at the park, when the psrinklers go off, he likes to run over and drink from it.  people love that.  a 60' jet of water and my boy sticks his damn head in the stream.
 
2013-02-06 10:11:50 AM
Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.
 
2013-02-06 10:12:14 AM

SpdrJay: Pitbulls killed the dinosaurs.


and Jesus... don't forget Jesus.  I am pretty sure it was a Roman Pitbull that killed Jesus.
 
2013-02-06 10:12:26 AM

LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!


Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue
 
2013-02-06 10:13:02 AM

LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!


The Cesar Milan book is really good and I recommend it.  Cesar's Way I think.  Even though I had dogs growing up and have always been around them, I had never been the sole owner until I got my dog a couple years ago so I wanted a quick primer.  Basically he talks about discipline, drawing boundaries, importance of leash walking (bonding) and exercise.  I've gotten serious mileage out of one simple rule from that book that I never thought about as a kid around dogs - people go first.  In the dog's mind, whoever enters a space first owns it so especially the first time you bring your dog home, you're supposed to go for a long walk with it (bond) and when you get home you introduce it into certain rooms one at a time with you leading it.  Makes a huge difference in doggy behavior.  Same goes for outside - don't let your dog lead you out of the door or you're not in charge.
 
2013-02-06 10:13:24 AM

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.
 
2013-02-06 10:13:46 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So in the end, it pays to be alert around big dogs if you have no idea what their owner is/was like. Which is also why I wouldn't rescue one. Sorry dog.


My sister has a rescue dog. Great dog around kids, and is probably the most protective dog out of the long list of dogs she's ever owned. Goes freaking nuts around postal carriers of any type even though the dog has been professionally trained multiple times after she got it to try to break this reaction. Plus, it is racist to a ridiculous degree. White neighbors, no problem and is always looking to play. Anyone of any other color, it wants to take your head off. Several trainers tried to break the dog of the habit but was unsuccessful and believe it was probably abused as a puppy and now has mental issues. Rescue dogs are just rolling the dice because once they are mentally broken or abandoned, you have no idea how they will react in some situations and you may not even be aware of the problem until the situation occurs.
 
2013-02-06 10:14:53 AM
My sister-in-law had a Staffie that was constantly mistaken for a pit.  She was a sweet, gentle dog.  My Frenchie was a sweet, gentle dog until she was attacked by a lab/wolfhound mix last summer and cut for 7 stitches on her face.  Now she doesn't trust any dog she didn't know before the attack.  It really sucks.
 
2013-02-06 10:15:16 AM

Ennuipoet: It's really as simple as this:  if you are bitten by a Chihuahua you rinse it off, put a band aid on it and go about your business.  If you are bitten by any large breed dog, you are likely going to the hospital.  Are pit bulls more "dangerous" than a Pug?  Yes.  Does that make them "monsters"?  No.

I don't care what kind of dog it is, when people are injured by a dog it is the responsibility of the dog's owner, and the owners needs to be held accountable civilly and criminally.


we have a really funny law in my state regarding animal attacks.  IIRC, for any animal attack other than a dog, it's a standard negligence analysis.  but, if a dog attacks someone while it was not properly restrained or fending off an intruder, it's pretty much strict liability (one of the only activities in my state with strict liability other than blasting (like, with dynamite)).

so, that means, if my full grown tiger attacks you, i have an easier time defending my lawsuit then the guy who's chihuahua attacked someone.  (with the tiger, you have to prove i messed up.  with the dog, i have to prove i didn't mess up - because it's assumed i already messed up)

found the law for more specificity:

La.C.C. Art. 2321. Damage caused by animals
The owner of an animal is answerable for the damage caused by the animal. However, he is answerable for the damage only upon a showing that he knew or, in the exercise of reasonable care, should have known that his animal's behavior would cause damage, that the damage could have been prevented by the exercise of reasonable care, and that he failed to exercise such reasonable care. Nonetheless, the owner of a dog is strictly liable for damages for injuries to persons or property caused by the dog and which the owner could have prevented and which did not result from the injured person's provocation of the dog. Nothing in this Article shall preclude the court from the application of the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur in an appropriate case.

/ when i was studying for the bar, the prof teaching the prep class said, here's the louisiana hates dogs rule
// this is one of the rules that didn't need to be written.  the standard animal analysis is completely sufficient to deal with all animal attacks.  no reason to disadvantage dog owners over all other animal owners.  including tigers and alligators, or whatever.
 
2013-02-06 10:16:35 AM

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


The article states that pit bulls are no stronger or more vicious than other dogs their size.  So, huh?
 
2013-02-06 10:17:01 AM

Where wolf: LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!

Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue


Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)
 
2013-02-06 10:17:15 AM

Fecal Conservative: As owner of a mixed Husky/Pit let me say they are truly gentle gnats.


I've got a Mountain Cur/Pit, a very muscular and intimidating - looking dog, but I've had her for 8 years on Feb. 4 and she has never done harm on anyone or anything.


As a matter of fact her companion during the day while I am at work is a stray cat that we adopted. BTW the cat grew to an enornous size - he weighs in at 20 lbs., the dog weighs 80 lbs.



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2013-02-06 10:17:23 AM

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


So it's a size problem? Well, the average 180lb male human weighs more and is far more dangerous than a dog.  We shouldn't let humans in urban areas.
 
2013-02-06 10:18:27 AM

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


Any large dog could rip your throat out if it wanted to.  A great dane wouldn't even have to knock you down first.
 
2013-02-06 10:22:29 AM
My neighbor's pittie is the sweetest girl in the world.  Rub her belly and she's your friend for life.

Very friendly.  Very smart.  Very calm.  Loves kids.
 
2013-02-06 10:23:16 AM

LadyHawke: Where wolf: LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!

Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue

Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)


Some friends of mine adopted a couple of greyhounds when we were in high school.  They are very nice dogs but you better have a big yard and a fence because they have to run.  We're not talking jogging with the owner, full on haul ass sprints.  Then they go nap the rest of the day.  They had several fun times chasing the rambunctious one around their neighborhood before they got a higher fence.  There's a reason why they use them in races.
 
2013-02-06 10:24:54 AM

Cythraul: MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.

Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.


Well they aren't built the same, but yeah in general a large breed that is capable of doing major damage shouldn't be in an urban environment. I'm sure there are cases of retrievers biting people, but this doesn't seem to be an issue, or maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.
 
2013-02-06 10:26:36 AM

Christian Bale: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.


Apparently Ceasar Milan has a different recollection that you.  In comparison to his large dog rescue facility, and his decades of experience rescuing large dogs, how do you rate?
 
2013-02-06 10:28:13 AM

Cythraul: The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.


There's a Standard Poodle down the street from me, who attacked my Pit Bull last summer. When we're out for a walk, she's usually pulling me along. But when we go by that house, she clings so close she almost pushes me over
 
2013-02-06 10:29:35 AM
Does your bite?
No. My dog doesn't bite.
*chomp*
I thought you said your dog doesn't bite!
That is not my dog.
 
2013-02-06 10:30:09 AM

Cythraul: UberDave: /But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.

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You mean a toy or a miniature Poodle, right? The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.


Read one sentence before that - "toy poodle".  Those things are born psychotic.
 
2013-02-06 10:30:15 AM

Carn: LadyHawke: Where wolf: LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!

Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue

Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)

Some friends of mine adopted a couple of greyhounds when we were in high school.  They are very nice dogs but you better have a big yard and a fence because they have to run.  We're not talking jogging with the owner, full on haul ass sprints.  Then they go nap the rest of the day.  They had several fun times chasing the rambunctious one around their neighborhood before they got a higher fence.  There's a reason why they use them in races.


They certainly earned the title "world's fastest couch potato," and are actually known to be great condo dogs since they love to relax (I have a condo).  There's a huge field behind the parking lot where we can easily do wind sprints, and I know of a park less than two miles from here where greyhound owners meet up every Sunday with their dogs to play.
 
2013-02-06 10:32:08 AM

LadyHawke: Where wolf: LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!

Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue

Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)


I wouldn't leap on that as a first choice. Would you seek out abused kids for your first time as a foster parent?
 
2013-02-06 10:33:14 AM

MayoSlather: Cythraul: MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.

Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.

Well they aren't built the same, but yeah in general a large breed that is capable of doing major damage shouldn't be in an urban environment. I'm sure there are cases of retrievers biting people, but this doesn't seem to be an issue, or maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.


You might want to read the full article. It states that 'Pit Bulls' bite pressure isn't as strong as the urban myths would have you believe.  And the article states a media bias in a comparison of two separate dog attacks, one done by a golden retriever, and the other by a 'Pit Bull.'
 
2013-02-06 10:33:43 AM
pute kisses like a man: Ennuipoet: It's really as simple as this:  if you are bitten by a Chihuahua you rinse it off, put a band aid on it and go about your business.  If you are bitten by any large breed dog, you are likely going to the hospital.  Are pit bulls more "dangerous" than a Pug?  Yes.  Does that make them "monsters"?  No.

I don't care what kind of dog it is, when people are injured by a dog it is the responsibility of the dog's owner, and the owners needs to be held accountable civilly and criminally.

we have a really funny law in my state regarding animal attacks.  IIRC, for any animal attack other than a dog, it's a standard negligence analysis.  but, if a dog attacks someone while it was not properly restrained or fending off an intruder, it's pretty much strict liability (one of the only activities in my state with strict liability other than blasting (like, with dynamite)).

so, that means, if my full grown tiger attacks you, i have an easier time defending my lawsuit then the guy who's chihuahua attacked someone.  (with the tiger, you have to prove i messed up.  with the dog, i have to prove i didn't mess up - because it's assumed i already messed up)

found the law for more specificity:

La.C.C. Art. 2321. Damage caused by animals
The owner of an animal is answerable for the damage caused by the animal. However, he is answerable for the damage only upon a showing that he knew or, in the exercise of reasonable care, should have known that his animal's behavior would cause damage, that the damage could have been prevented by the exercise of reasonable care, and that he failed to exercise such reasonable care. Nonetheless, the owner of a dog is strictly liable for damages for injuries to persons or property caused by the dog and which the owner could have prevented and which did not result from the injured person's provocation of the dog. Nothing in this Article shall preclude the court from the application of the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur in an appropriate case.

/ w ...


You know what? You're right, dog owners shouldn't be the only ones held strictly liable when their pet attacks someone without provocation.

EVERYONE should.
 
2013-02-06 10:34:17 AM

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


So what's the size limit for a city dog?  Is it height or weight?  Do they take a jaw-strength test?
 
2013-02-06 10:34:19 AM

DoctorOfLove: Christian Bale: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.

Apparently Ceasar Milan has a different recollection that you.  In comparison to his large dog rescue facility, and his decades of experience rescuing large dogs, how do you rate?



Something like this (PDF) may be more beneficial to the conversation.
 
2013-02-06 10:34:43 AM

bacongood: UberDave: I didn't read TFA completely but this has less to do with the dog and more to do with the owner.  If the owner is a dipshiat insecure retard, then chances are more likely the dog will be farking insane.  Having grown up in a lower middle income redneck neighborhood, there were plenty of Pits, Rotts, German Shepards, and Dobermans.  Those things would get out and terrorize the neighborhood.  But like I said, the dog didn't really matter.  There were families with wiener dogs and toy poodles that were just as nuts.


/But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.

The rednecks around me had great dogs.  All farm dogs who knew who was from the area and what animals belonged in the barn.  Bark at a car when it pulls up, and then begged to be petted when they recognize the driver.


They sound like "good ol' boys" rather than rednecks.  In the area I'm from a good number of people chained their dogs in the back yard for days at a time and treated them like shiat.  And when they got tired for the circular trench they were making, the unchained them at which point the dog would climb the fence or dig under in and run rampage through the neighborhood.  Or sometimes, the owner would just "let them run around for a bit."
 
2013-02-06 10:35:04 AM
As a witness to the attack of the four year old Scots girl, whose family pittie snapped and killed her, leading to the law regarding 'dangerous breeds' to be changed entirely in the UK, I'm getting a kick.

/current pittie owner.
//it's not always the owner's fault, just mostly. There's some things that just can't be accounted for.
 
2013-02-06 10:35:26 AM
We're still on Pitbulls? Isn't it about time for a new dog to become the minority?
 
2013-02-06 10:35:27 AM

MayoSlather: Cythraul: MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.

Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.

Well they aren't built the same, but yeah in general a large breed that is capable of doing major damage shouldn't be in an urban environment. I'm sure there are cases of retrievers biting people, but this doesn't seem to be an issue, or maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.


FTA.  Breeds are mis-identified.  Labrador attacks aren't picked up by media outlets.
 
2013-02-06 10:36:12 AM

Cold_Sassy: Fecal Conservative: As owner of a mixed Husky/Pit let me say they are truly gentle gnats.

I've got a Mountain Cur/Pit, a very muscular and intimidating - looking dog, but I've had her for 8 years on Feb. 4 and she has never done harm on anyone or anything.
As a matter of fact her companion during the day while I am at work is a stray cat that we adopted. BTW the cat grew to an enornous size - he weighs in at 20 lbs., the dog weighs 80 lbs.

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Good. Now I'm not the first one to post critterpics:

First Vicious Killer: Zoe.  3 year old rescue.
lh5.googleusercontent.com

Second Vicious Killer: Astro. 10 months (ish) rescue.  near as we can tell, he's boxer/lab.

We go through rawhide and beer faster than any house on the block.
 
2013-02-06 10:36:24 AM
l love my pit.  she's dark grey and has a silver lining when in the sunlight.  the most beautiful dog ever.
 
2013-02-06 10:37:04 AM
Second Vicious Killer, DIdn't get the link in...
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-06 10:38:09 AM

LadyHawke: Carn: LadyHawke: Where wolf: LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!

Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue

Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)

Some friends of mine adopted a couple of greyhounds when we were in high school.  They are very nice dogs but you better have a big yard and a fence because they have to run.  We're not talking jogging with the owner, full on haul ass sprints.  Then they go nap the rest of the day.  They had several fun times chasing the rambunctious one around their neighborhood before they got a higher fence.  There's a reason why they use them in races.

They certainly earned the title "world's fastest couch potato," and are actually known to be great condo dogs since they love to relax (I have a condo).  There's a huge field behind the parking lot where we can easily do wind sprints, and I know of a park less than two miles from here where greyhound owners meet up every Sunday with their dogs to play.


Sounds like you've got it covered :)
 
2013-02-06 10:38:52 AM
If it will save just one life, we have to try something
 
2013-02-06 10:40:00 AM
You know, if everyone had a pit bull there wouldn't be any more attacks.

Am I doing it right?

/a doggie society is a polite society
//butt sniffing isn't polite
 
2013-02-06 10:40:23 AM

George Walker Bush: If it will save just one life, we have to try something


Dog or human?
 
2013-02-06 10:40:42 AM
Carn:   There's a reason why they use them in races.

Just like there's a reason pits are used for fighting.
 
2013-02-06 10:42:51 AM

AgentBang: You know, if everyone had a pit bull there wouldn't be any more attacks.

Am I doing it right?

/a doggie society is a polite society
//butt sniffing isn't polite


Actually, it may be sad, but the reason I changed my stance on gun registration was a documentary on the dog bans in Denver.

I didn't think registering guns would be a problem.  Then I see this documentary.  Step 1 was registering all "agressive breeds" in the city limits.  Step 2 was coming around and taking your dog, whether you were home or not, to be euthanized.  Something like 1400 dogs gone for little more than being around.
 
2013-02-06 10:45:49 AM
One of these days, I'm going to find an article featuring a pit bull with a tattoo who is using an Apple device while listening to Justin Beiber and watching a Michael Bay movie. Then I'm going to submit it and watch Fark explode.
 
2013-02-06 10:46:09 AM

MNguy: Carn:   There's a reason why they use them in races.

Just like there's a reason pits are used for fighting.


Funny.

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.  Probably just stand there looking confused.

Maybe that means that a breed's physical characteristics mean nothing if you don't train or exploit them to do certain tasks that take advantage of those physical characteristics.
 
2013-02-06 10:46:25 AM

festoon: Cythraul: The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.

There's a Standard Poodle down the street from me, who attacked my Pit Bull last summer. When we're out for a walk, she's usually pulling me along. But when we go by that house, she clings so close she almost pushes me over


Pretty much this. I grew up with a 90lb, hunting trained standard poodle. Sweetest dog until he got into something he probably shouldn't (such as a plate left on the ground after a BBQ). He'd protect that thing with his life, and did nip a few hands in the course of his life. I'd definitely take a pit over another high-strung breed of that size.
 
2013-02-06 10:47:01 AM
i45.tinypic.com

Skeptical pit bull mix rescue, my girl Ivy.
 
2013-02-06 10:47:25 AM

95BV5: LadyHawke: Where wolf: LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


I wouldn't leap on that as a first choice. Would you seek out abused kids for your first time as a foster parent?


I would be more apt to try some dog or kid who was in worse shape than average, because they are the ones most in need of love and guidance. It's not that hard; I speak from experience - they actually respond very positively and in a big hurry.

Guess that would just be too much trouble for you now, wouldn't it?
 
2013-02-06 10:47:45 AM
Cythraul:

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.

I bet the farkers could still run pretty fast if they wanted to.
 
2013-02-06 10:48:17 AM
You have a better chance reasoning with a fundamentalist than a dog person.
 
2013-02-06 10:48:32 AM

Cythraul: MNguy: Carn:   There's a reason why they use them in races.

Just like there's a reason pits are used for fighting.

Funny.

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.  Probably just stand there looking confused.


But you place a fake racing rabbit in front of it, and it'll blow your mind how fast they move at the track.
 
2013-02-06 10:49:11 AM

MNguy: Cythraul:

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.

I bet the farkers could still run pretty fast if they wanted to.


So you're implying that pit bulls inherently have a high desire to attack humans?
 
2013-02-06 10:50:33 AM

Cythraul: MNguy: Cythraul:

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.

I bet the farkers could still run pretty fast if they wanted to.

So you're implying that pit bulls inherently have a high desire to attack humans?


Eh?  Let's change a word or two....I bet the farkers could still bite pretty hard if they wanted to.
 
2013-02-06 10:51:44 AM
3rd para of TFA:   Since the 1980s, the media have falsely portrayed the pit bull as a bloodthirsty monster, inherently more dangerous than other strong breeds of dog. There is absolutely no factual basis for that narrative

28th para of TFA:  Pit bulls are disproportionately involved in serious attacks on humans

Yes, its because their owners are disproportionately douchbags.  And in my area, douchebags let their dogs run free, so I see them frequently.
 
2013-02-06 10:56:24 AM

Carn: MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.

Any large dog could rip your throat out if it wanted to.  A great dane wouldn't even have to knock you down first.


Good luck getting a Great Dane off the couch to rip out anyone's throat.

/have owned two, they are the stoners of the dog world, eat, lay on the couch, eat, lay in the sun outside, eat, back to sleep on the couch
//maybe an occasional break to walk up to you and stick their nose in your face...while you're standing
 
2013-02-06 10:56:27 AM
<i>Since the 1980s, the media have falsely portrayed the pit bull as a bloodthirsty monster, inherently more dangerous than other strong breeds of dog. There is absolutely no factual basis for that narrative, but it's led to a vicious cycle in which people who want a badass dog to fight, or to guard property, or to intimidate rival gangs tend to choose pit bulls.</i>

That's f'ing hilarious.  The media woke up one morning, needed a story, picked a random topic, dogs, picked a random breed, pitbulls, and started this whole vicious cycle.  And racism.  That made me lol
 
2013-02-06 10:57:50 AM

walkerhound: mr_a: Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves

Mistaken for the Fila Brasiliero.  The only run-ins I've had with them have been for elective surgery, and both were extremely aggressive in the hospital, away from their owners.  I believe this was the breed involved in killing a woman in San Francisco a number of years back.


Nah, that was a Cane Corso, a variety of the Mastiff Family.
 
2013-02-06 10:58:04 AM

DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]


I was born in the 70s and am scared shiatless of dobermans.

/me and Magnum
 
2013-02-06 10:59:35 AM

uttertosh: //it's not always the owner's fault, just mostly. There's some things that just can't be accounted for.


such as irresponsible breeding.

Like tracking guns used in crimes to a handful of gun stores, I'd be interested if the handful of un-trainable pitbulls can be traced back to a handful of breeders.
 
2013-02-06 10:59:42 AM
Applaud this article and headline.

I met this acquaintance of an acquaintance who brought her pitbull with her.  I sat down on the lawn with them and the first thing this pitbull did was climb in my lap and kiss my face.
This same pitbull, before the acquaintance adopted her, was used as bait in dog fighting rings.
Tears me up to think that that sweetie had to endure that type of abuse.
 
2013-02-06 11:00:58 AM

DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]


As far as I know, Cesar only had to give up on training one kind of dog...

farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2013-02-06 11:04:01 AM
jenny next:
I sat down on the lawn with them and the first thing this pitbull did was climb in my lap and kiss my face.

It was just testing, must have decided that you were too salty to eat.
 
2013-02-06 11:05:04 AM

Christian Bale: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.


I absolutely remember it about Dobermans and German Shepherds in the 70s and 80s, and just as those breeds were getting maligned, my parents used our pitbull,"Figh", as our babysitter.  Figh would let me ride him, pull his ears, punch him (I was only four, but still), and would get between me and the gate when I tried to leave the backyard.  He once caught me in the front yard, and VERY gently, took my hand in his mouth and pulled me back into the backyard, while I yelled and slapped his head and generally pitched a fit.  He just patiently took it and pulled me into the backyard, where I continued to pitch a fit and kick and punch him.  Not a single whimper or growl or protestation from him, at all.  My mom watched the whole thing from the kitchen window, laughing, without a worry in the world about the dog ever becoming aggressive with me.

But, we had a neighbor who had a Doberman.  That dog was crazy, and attacked several people.  It lost a leg after being run over, because it would attack car tires while in motion.  There were tales of the "small head" or "skull squeezing his brain" (people thought that the dog's skull didn't grow even as its brain did) and shiate like that, and I was scared to death of Dobermans when I was young as a result of those apocryphal stories and that one crazy dog. Now, thirty-five years later, that same couple has a little Dachshund that is crazier than any dog I've ever met.  It has bitten its owner at least seven times, and other members of the family at least four, and a number of other random people.  When they go to the ER to get stitched up, they have to make up stories about other animals or an "accident" so Beau won't be reported to the police.  The Sheriff told her after her second trip to the ER with a dog bite from Beau, that if it happened just once more, that he would be put down.  This is a 15 pound dog.  It's a wonder that some other party hasn't reported him yet.

Even now that I know that it is that neurotic family that makes neurotic, aggressive dogs, I still can't shake the initial, irrational reaction I have to Dobermans.  I'm quite a bit more apprehensive about approaching them than any Pit Bull I've ever encountered.  It's because of that one dog, compounded with the wild tales about Dobermans in general.  This fear mongering is incredibly powerful.
 
2013-02-06 11:06:59 AM

priapic_abandon: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

As far as I know, Cesar only had to give up on training one kind of dog...

[farm1.static.flickr.com image 334x500]


What breed of dog is that?
 
2013-02-06 11:08:30 AM
i45.tinypic.com
My rescue pitbull. Blind from abuse as a puppy. very gentle with my cat.
 
2013-02-06 11:08:39 AM

rickythepenguin: ChaoticLimbs: That dog was the single gentlest animal I have ever known. I used her as a pillow when I watched TV. She warmed my feet when we went camping. She never displayed any aggression at all toward anyone. Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.

yeah, that's kinda how mine have been.  when my youngest was a toddler, she used to crawl all over Bella (keep in mind, we weren't stupid about it, we'd still be close to the dog because any dog can snap).  she'd just lay there, probably nurturing some dog maternal instinct, as my kid drooled and crawled and poked and prodded at her.

my boy, he's about 72lbs of goofball.  people love him.  strangers honk and wave at us. he just looks funny i guess.  he likes sprinklers.  like at the park, when the psrinklers go off, he likes to run over and drink from it.  people love that.  a 60' jet of water and my boy sticks his damn head in the stream.


That story made me smile and tear up, just a little.
 
2013-02-06 11:10:55 AM
As the new owner of two beautiful 5-year-old, lab/pitt/chow mixes, I can say I've never had dogs that were better behaved and better trained than these two pups. My family has had goldens for the past few years, and I'd still pick my pitt mixes!
 
2013-02-06 11:11:11 AM

youngJohn: [i45.tinypic.com image 500x469]
My rescue pitbull. Blind from abuse as a puppy. very gentle with my cat.


Aw, she's adorable.
 
2013-02-06 11:11:23 AM

Cythraul: priapic_abandon: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

As far as I know, Cesar only had to give up on training one kind of dog...

[farm1.static.flickr.com image 334x500]

What breed of dog is that?


Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst
 
2013-02-06 11:12:11 AM
Here, please watch a video I made about my blind pittbull and you can watch him viciously attack my labrador all day long. I made this three years ago and he still does this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjydAilznQ8
 
2013-02-06 11:16:16 AM

Cythraul: MayoSlather: Cythraul: MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.

Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.

Well they aren't built the same, but yeah in general a large breed that is capable of doing major damage shouldn't be in an urban environment. I'm sure there are cases of retrievers biting people, but this doesn't seem to be an issue, or maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.

You might want to read the full article. It states that 'Pit Bulls' bite pressure isn't as strong as the urban myths would have you believe.  And the article states a media bias in a comparison of two separate dog attacks, one done by a golden retriever, and the other by a 'Pit Bull.'


Yeah I read the article and that's why I made it a point to mention how absurd of an argument claiming media bias is. Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull, and just because there are incidents of dogs being misidentified means that it's the norm and not the exception.

I knew when I suggested that maybe it's not such a great idea letting pitbulls in urban areas I'd be met with the same type of people that insist that guns don't kill people, people kill people. It's great and all that pitbulls exert less bite force than rottweilers or german shepherds, but none of them belong in urban areas.
 
2013-02-06 11:18:26 AM

Where wolf: Cold_Sassy: Fecal Conservative: As owner of a mixed Husky/Pit let me say they are truly gentle gnats.

I've got a Mountain Cur/Pit, a very muscular and intimidating - looking dog, but I've had her for 8 years on Feb. 4 and she has never done harm on anyone or anything.
As a matter of fact her companion during the day while I am at work is a stray cat that we adopted. BTW the cat grew to an enornous size - he weighs in at 20 lbs., the dog weighs 80 lbs.

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Good. Now I'm not the first one to post critterpics:

First Vicious Killer: Zoe.  3 year old rescue.
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Second Vicious Killer: Astro. 10 months (ish) rescue.  near as we can tell, he's boxer/lab.

We go through rawhide and beer faster than any house on the block.


Wow that sure looks like a Rottie (which I have only had positive experiences with)  and yes, at my house we need to invest in some rawhide stock.  The vet told me though that it is a good, healthy snack for dogs, better than canned food or soft treats, plus my 8-year-olds teeth are still beautifully white and healthy.
 
2013-02-06 11:24:58 AM

LadyHawke: Good article.  The fiance and I plan to eventually adopt a pit, though it won't be our first dog (while he's owned dogs growing up, I have not, so I want to start with an "easier" dog, such as a greyhound).  A pit/pit-mix rescue will most likely be our second dog.


greyhounds are not what I'd call easy..they are sight hounds and will chase anything that moves, the will usually catch what they are chasing, hence they need to be leashed when outside..

now try and get your greyhound the excersise needed while it's on a leash .. you'll need a large fenced yard with no little furries of any kind..

all doubley so if it's a rescue..they typically haven't had the best upbringing..
 
2013-02-06 11:26:51 AM

priapic_abandon: DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]

As far as I know, Cesar only had to give up on training one kind of dog...

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that's cause jacks train their owners..
I had two..
I am exceptionallly well trained..
 
2013-02-06 11:29:45 AM
I've always been more of the Earthing breed terrier kind of person so I've never had a pit/pit mix. But one of the best dogs I know is a pit mix and she lives for the kids in her family. There is an FB photo album dedicated to images of her being dressed up in pink soccer jerseys or pink feather boas, crowns, tutus... and every time she looks as happy as can be for the camera. Probably because she loves the damned kid more than the perpetrated humiliation of wearing a princess dress. After bringing the new baby home last summer the family was concerned as to how she'd react since she had never been around babies before. In no time not only did she recognize him as a new pack member but knew that he was the most defenseless creature in the house and took up to sleeping beside his crib. So either she's thinking "Soon..." or just wants to make sure that he survives to child hood. Before that her "bed" at night was basically just sleeping with the little girl. In a couple of years with the new one grows up a little she'll have her choice of kid beds to sleep in.
 
2013-02-06 11:31:10 AM

MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,


Are you farking kidding?
 
2013-02-06 11:32:16 AM

dk47: Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst


Take that back. Terriers are awesome. Intense, sure, but still awesome.

/grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time
 
2013-02-06 11:32:36 AM
MayoSlather:  maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.

Actually the media likes the strong emotional reaction of confirmation bias.  People will get bored about golden retriever attacks.  What they want is one strong breed people fear so they can continue to push the big red button.

"Dog attack" doesn't matter because people aren't afraid of dogs.  People will say, "Well most dogs are friendly."  When you say, "Dogs of this type are VICIOUS CHILD MURDERING MACHINES!" ... yeah.  Fear, anger, and then you keep lobbying the viewer base so they can rally and come listen to you preach your holy bullshiat.
 
2013-02-06 11:32:52 AM

MNguy: MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,

Are you farking kidding?


Basically what TFA said.
 
2013-02-06 11:35:23 AM

KatjaMouse: MNguy: MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,

Are you farking kidding?

Basically what TFA said.


Well, I call bullshiat then.  Maybe dog bites aren't reported as much, but a death?
 
2013-02-06 11:36:17 AM
Nobody NEEDS a pitbull. It is a dog DESIGNED to kill.

And don't tell me a pitbull makes you feel safer. Odds are a pitbull in the home is more likely to be turned on a family member than a criminal.

Sure SOME dog owners are responsible and store their pitbulls safely. But how many children every year must we sacrifice so that some small-penis-having dog owners can renew their man card?!?!?!?!

I call for an outright ban on pitbulls, pitbull like models, and all high capacity dogs. It's the only way!

Think of the children!!!!
 
2013-02-06 11:39:41 AM

bluefoxicy: MayoSlather:  maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.

Actually the media likes the strong emotional reaction of confirmation bias.  People will get bored about golden retriever attacks.  What they want is one strong breed people fear so they can continue to push the big red button.

"Dog attack" doesn't matter because people aren't afraid of dogs.  People will say, "Well most dogs are friendly."  When you say, "Dogs of this type are VICIOUS CHILD MURDERING MACHINES!" ... yeah.  Fear, anger, and then you keep lobbying the viewer base so they can rally and come listen to you preach your holy bullshiat.


Damn that media!! How dare they manipulate me to thinking large breeds can hurt people. DAMN THEM!!
 
2013-02-06 11:40:43 AM
It's exactly the same thing as gun owners


...runs away
 
2013-02-06 11:41:53 AM

SpectroBoy: Nobody NEEDS a pitbull. It is a dog DESIGNED to kill.

And don't tell me a pitbull makes you feel safer. Odds are a pitbull in the home is more likely to be turned on a family member than a criminal.

Sure SOME dog owners are responsible and store their pitbulls safely. But how many children every year must we sacrifice so that some small-penis-having dog owners can renew their man card?!?!?!?!

I call for an outright ban on pitbulls, pitbull like models, and all high capacity dogs. It's the only way!

Think of the children!!!!


Next thing you know, they'll be coming for your pet fish.
 
2013-02-06 11:43:53 AM

MNguy: KatjaMouse: MNguy: MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,

Are you farking kidding?

Basically what TFA said.

Well, I call bullshiat then.  Maybe dog bites aren't reported as much, but a death?


FTFA:
And when an infant in New Jersey was reportedly killed by a Siberian husky, around a dozen local news outlets reported the tragic incident, according to the study. But when another infant was killed by what authorities described as a pit bull in Nevada the same month, it was reported by over 200 media outlets around the world, often with the word "pit bull" in the headlines. Like shark attacks, our perception of the risk associated with these dogs has a lot to do with this kind of sensationalism.
 
2013-02-06 11:44:35 AM

SpectroBoy: high capacity dogs


I don't know why, but just trying to imagine the meaning of "high capacity dogs" is making me giggle.
 
2013-02-06 11:46:11 AM

thisone: SpectroBoy: high capacity dogs

I don't know why, but just trying to imagine the meaning of "high capacity dogs" is making me giggle.


If we're talking about a high kill rate then little can compete with a ratting breed. Imagine a Yorkie or Westie being the new face of death.
 
2013-02-06 11:47:48 AM

UberDave: /But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.



Don't let the bad haircuts fool you. A standard poodle is a hunting dog with a pretty decent bite

ghastlydoor.com
 
2013-02-06 11:49:22 AM

MNguy: SpectroBoy: Nobody NEEDS a pitbull. It is a dog DESIGNED to kill.

And don't tell me a pitbull makes you feel safer. Odds are a pitbull in the home is more likely to be turned on a family member than a criminal.

Sure SOME dog owners are responsible and store their pitbulls safely. But how many children every year must we sacrifice so that some small-penis-having dog owners can renew their man card?!?!?!?!

I call for an outright ban on pitbulls, pitbull like models, and all high capacity dogs. It's the only way!

Think of the children!!!!

Next thing you know, they'll be coming for your pet fish.



Exactly.

That's why I bought extra pit bulls and buried them in the back yard in tubes. When they confiscate all the pit bulls I will still have mine!

/my cunning plan
 
2013-02-06 11:49:30 AM
"Occasionally, a well-raised, beloved pet without a history of behavioral issues will hurt a human - dogs are animals, after all - but these incidents are  incredibly rare. "

And yet, I have personal knowledge of two cases where the pet pit attacked a child. One was owned by  American Pit Bull Terrier breeders.
 
2013-02-06 11:50:21 AM

KatjaMouse: MNguy: KatjaMouse: MNguy: MayoSlather: . Because a dog killing kids isn't a story unless it's a pitbull,

Are you farking kidding?

Basically what TFA said.

Well, I call bullshiat then.  Maybe dog bites aren't reported as much, but a death?

FTFA:
And when an infant in New Jersey was reportedly killed by a Siberian husky, around a dozen local news outlets reported the tragic incident, according to the study. But when another infant was killed by what authorities described as a pit bull in Nevada the same month, it was reported by over 200 media outlets around the world, often with the word "pit bull" in the headlines. Like shark attacks, our perception of the risk associated with these dogs has a lot to do with this kind of sensationalism.


The last death I personally remember reading about was the lady in LA who was eaten by a Carne Corso or whatever.  Meh.  I think a dog killing a person is a pretty rare occurrence and is newsworthy no matter the breed.
 
2013-02-06 11:52:15 AM

KatjaMouse: dk47: Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst

Take that back. Terriers are awesome. Intense, sure, but still awesome.

/grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time




I have a foodle(toy fox terrier/poodle), and he is intense and hilarious. He embodies speed and bouncy energy, like tigger on crack rock. He will joyfully charge to dog battle with my sisters huge yellow lab, despite weighing maybe 15lbs soaking wet. He is very cognizant of what is "his" and will hoard his toys and charge my cat if he hunkers down on one. Which happens a lot, because my cat is a huge cranky orange Manx-coon whose primary form of entertainment is teasing the dog. Oh and the most hilarious thing is how he will spin in place when super excited. Just can't contain himself and must spin around in circles.

When I mentally picture him it is always a cartoon picture of a dog zooming, ears blown back by the wind of his own speed.

Still can't get him to fetch though. He will chase and get the toy, and take it to his toy hoarding spot.
 
2013-02-06 11:52:38 AM

KatjaMouse: dk47: Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst

Take that back. Terriers are awesome. Intense, sure, but still awesome.

/grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time



They're bloodthirsty though.  They like killin' critters.
 
2013-02-06 11:55:10 AM

SpectroBoy: Nobody NEEDS a pitbull. It is a dog DESIGNED to kill.

And don't tell me a pitbull makes you feel safer. Odds are a pitbull in the home is more likely to be turned on a family member than a criminal.

Sure SOME dog owners are responsible and store their pitbulls safely. But how many children every year must we sacrifice so that some small-penis-having dog owners can renew their man card?!?!?!?!

I call for an outright ban on pitbulls, pitbull like models, and all high capacity dogs. It's the only way!

Think of the children!!!!


Already been said, and better.  Please, cute (sweater) puppies or GTFO

Just Stop.

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-06 11:56:41 AM

MayoSlather: Damn that media!! How dare they manipulate me to thinking large breeds can hurt people. DAMN THEM!!


It's not that so much as it's the whole... thing.

German shepherd:  Safe, friendly dog.

Siberian Husky:  Safe, friendly dog.

Pitbull:  VICIOUS KILLING MACHINE.

Problem:  Shepherds are dangerous as hell.  Huskies too, but they're docile.  Pitbulls are also docile.  Shepherds are largely docile because they are dogs that people take care of, because most people get a shepherd because they're pretty and friendly and very good companion dogs--but they are viciously territorial guard dogs and you don't want to attack a shepherd owner, the dog will farking kill you.

So yes, many breeds are dangerous.  Some are more difficult to train, some are more territorial.  Issue seems to be that the pitbull is not very aggressive even under pressure (even aggressive ones tend to quickly revert when removed from a troubling environment), but can be kept violent by continuous mistreatment; while other breeds (like the Shepherd) are largely docile yet territorial and can become dangerous much more easily, yet are ignored and considered safe.

That's the problem:  it's like if we went nuts over scary-looking badass chain fed machine guns, but didn't ban wimpy drum guns that can rapid-fire 200 rounds on a single magazine because they simply don't look that scary--even though they're easier to conceal than a farking 80 pound gatlin gun.
 
2013-02-06 11:59:21 AM

KatjaMouse: dk47: Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst

Take that back. Terriers are awesome. Intense, sure, but still awesome.

/grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time


I developed a hatred for JackRats when I was doing Cross Country Jumping.  Every little trophywife and every rich showmom seemed to have at least one JackRat at every show.  So, at any given event, there's half a dozen untrained yapping machines chasing horses, getting kicked, etc.

I've known some nice ones, but those untrained masses of fur and yaps drove me and my mare crazy.
 
2013-02-06 12:06:36 PM

noitsnot: KatjaMouse: /grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time


They're bloodthirsty though. They like killin' critters.


I know. We had no moles in our yard. Well... none living anyway. My dad's first WFT was the only dog I ever witnessed to almost but not quite catch a squirrel. Had it by the tail but came back with a mouthful of fluff instead. After that we just had a squirrel with a mostly bald tail just sitting on the tall fence always calculating whether or not the trip to our bird feeder was worth it.
 
2013-02-06 12:14:53 PM
Nobody NEEDS a pitbull. It is a dog DESIGNED to kill.

And don't tell me a pitbull makes you feel safer. Odds are a pitbull in the home is more likely to be turned on a family member than a criminal.

Sure SOME dog owners are responsible and store their pitbulls safely. But how many children every year must we sacrifice so that some small-penis-having dog owners can renew their man card?!?!?!?!

I call for an outright ban on pitbulls, pitbull like models, and all high capacity dogs. It's the only way!

Think of the children!!!!

Already been said, and better.  Please, cute (sweater) puppies or GTFO


Yeah, because we sure don't need any repetition here on Fark. Only original thoughts!!!

 
2013-02-06 12:20:27 PM
Pitbull Thread?

i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-06 12:20:51 PM

neongoats: KatjaMouse: dk47: Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst

Take that back. Terriers are awesome. Intense, sure, but still awesome.

/grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time

I have a foodle(toy fox terrier/poodle), and he is intense and hilarious. He embodies speed and bouncy energy, like tigger on crack rock. He will joyfully charge to dog battle with my sisters huge yellow lab, despite weighing maybe 15lbs soaking wet. He is very cognizant of what is "his" and will hoard his toys and charge my cat if he hunkers down on one. Which happens a lot, because my cat is a huge cranky orange Manx-coon whose primary form of entertainment is teasing the dog. Oh and the most hilarious thing is how he will spin in place when super excited. Just can't contain himself and must spin around in circles.

When I mentally picture him it is always a cartoon picture of a dog zooming, ears blown back by the wind of his own speed.

Still can't get him to fetch though. He will chase and get the toy, and take it to his toy hoarding spot.


try using two balls..entice him back with the second..
 
2013-02-06 12:23:42 PM
Actually, scariest looking dogs I see at the dog park regularly are two weimaraners (bogie and birdie, the owner plays a lot of golf).  Huge, muscular, look like nazi officer dobermans.

Seem like nice dogs, but the size and appearance convey "do not screw with me".
 
2013-02-06 12:23:57 PM
Bullshiat.

Please alert me the next time a Dalmation or Golden Retriever kills a 4 year old child, and the owner blames the kid.

fark you, dangerous dog owners. You're all in denial and it's putting your community at risk.
 
2013-02-06 12:25:43 PM

youngJohn: Here, please watch a video I made about my blind pittbull and you can watch him viciously attack my labrador all day long. I made this three years ago and he still does this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjydAilznQ8


Aww, what a cute little baby.  Your Lab is an extrodinarily patient soul.  Probably because he/she knows there is something wrong with little brother.
 
2013-02-06 12:30:42 PM
My mixed girl is not very stranger-friendly, but I don't mind too much. I don't trust her around new people in the house or kids, but let her loose in a park full of dogs and she is in heaven!

i59.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 12:31:33 PM
s7.postimage.org
say what now?
 
2013-02-06 12:32:41 PM

meehaw: That story made me smile and tear up, just a little.


DAWWWWW, HUGS!!!!!

He's a hoot.  beautiful red coat.  if i had access to bucket i'd post pics of him.  check back later if you want.
 
2013-02-06 12:33:24 PM
The thing with pitbulls is that they're a high-energy breed. They need a lot of exercise and a lot of attention and socialization. They're friendly dogs over all, but when you keep a breed that requires exercise and active socialization chained in a backyard you're going to create a dog who is slightly unhinged and aggressive. They're not stupid dogs, they're easy as hell to train via positive reinforcement, but they're a hands-on breed. They need regular walks on a harness with frequent trips to the dog park. What they don't need are assholes who have no idea what to do with a dog, and who might even be slightly afraid of them, keeping them chained up.

Just like with my doberman. He needs a yard to run in and constant socialization or he gets a bit stir crazy and acts like an asshole. A daily walk and trips to the dog park at least once a week keep him from becoming aggressive. It's all about how you train your dog.
 
2013-02-06 12:35:59 PM

doubled99: Nobody NEEDS a pitbull. It is a dog DESIGNED to kill.

And don't tell me a pitbull makes you feel safer. Odds are a pitbull in the home is more likely to be turned on a family member than a criminal.

Sure SOME dog owners are responsible and store their pitbulls safely. But how many children every year must we sacrifice so that some small-penis-having dog owners can renew their man card?!?!?!?!

I call for an outright ban on pitbulls, pitbull like models, and all high capacity dogs. It's the only way!

Think of the children!!!!

Already been said, and better.  Please, cute (sweater) puppies or GTFO

Yeah, because we sure don't need any repetition here on Fark. Only original thoughts!!!


Agreeing with a statement is separate from trolling and/or derailment of the thread's intended purpose.  In this case, it also gave me an excuse to use a picture. I'm okay with snark, don't worry.

like this:

"OMG ROTTIES COME WITH LAZOR EYES NOW!!!! HIDE YO'KIDS"
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-06 12:37:38 PM

rickythepenguin: meehaw: That story made me smile and tear up, just a little.

DAWWWWW, HUGS!!!!!

He's a hoot.  beautiful red coat.  if i had access to bucket i'd post pics of him.  check back later if you want.


Can you get to the various Googles? Picasaweb is pretty easy, just make sure you click the "image only" on the link
 
2013-02-06 12:46:36 PM

DoctorOfLove: Actually, scariest looking dogs I see at the dog park regularly are two weimaraners (bogie and birdie, the owner plays a lot of golf). Huge, muscular, look like nazi officer dobermans.


I've got a fawn doberman that people constantly mistake for a weimaraner. We didn't crop his ears, though, because the pointy-ears thing is just cosmetic and we don't believe in doing that to a dog. His tail, however, was docked when we got him. And he loves kids and tiny dogs. We've had mothers bring their kids up to pet him and he just sits there and licks little hands and faces and when the mother finds out the cute doggy her little shiatlings have been hanging all over for the last five minutes is a Doberman instead of a Weimaraner she will freak out and makes her kids move away.

i1025.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 01:06:18 PM

havocmike: Bullshiat.

Please alert me the next time a Dalmation or Golden Retriever kills a 4 year old child, and the owner blames the kid.

fark you, dangerous dog owners. You're all in denial and it's putting your community at risk.


You're 100% correct. No one has ever heard of a golden retreiver viciously attacking a child (link not safe for lunch) because it simply doesn't happen, amirite?

/consider yourself alerted
 
2013-02-06 01:11:05 PM
Elegy:
You're 100% correct. No one has ever heard of a golden retreiver viciously attacking a child (link not safe for lunch) because it simply doesn't happen, amirite?

It's because the media doesn't report that kind of thing.
 
2013-02-06 01:14:49 PM
Great article. It really covered all the bases, and should be required reading for all journalists who feel the need to mouth off about "PIT BULL ATTACKS".
 
2013-02-06 01:24:50 PM

gilgigamesh: Great article. It really covered all the bases, and should be required reading for all journalists who feel the need to mouth off about "PIT BULL ATTACKS".


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-06 02:00:06 PM

Old enough to know better: Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.



Great fishing excursion for anti-gun crowd using subtlety, or greatest fishing excursion?
 
2013-02-06 02:01:54 PM
Someone who owns a pit bull also tends to:

1. Buy twenty lottery tickets each week.
2. Have a tattoo on their hands or neck.
3. Pursue futile workman's comp claims.
4. Take photographs of babies holding beer cans.
5. Prominently display an electric guitar in the living room.
6. Have a shaven head.
7. Rent the television for £7 weekly.
8. Travel to a different county specifically to buy fireworks
9. Wear t-shirts featuring profanity.
10. Have at least two stepchildren, each with a different surname.
 
2013-02-06 02:04:38 PM

Trillian Astra: DoctorOfLove: Actually, scariest looking dogs I see at the dog park regularly are two weimaraners (bogie and birdie, the owner plays a lot of golf). Huge, muscular, look like nazi officer dobermans.

I've got a fawn doberman that people constantly mistake for a weimaraner. We didn't crop his ears, though, because the pointy-ears thing is just cosmetic and we don't believe in doing that to a dog. His tail, however, was docked when we got him. And he loves kids and tiny dogs. We've had mothers bring their kids up to pet him and he just sits there and licks little hands and faces and when the mother finds out the cute doggy her little shiatlings have been hanging all over for the last five minutes is a Doberman instead of a Weimaraner she will freak out and makes her kids move away.


i1025.photobucket.com

he looks like a good boy

weknowmemes.com
 
2013-02-06 02:28:30 PM

LadyHawke: Old enough to know better: Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.

Also, I've watched a couple of those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, and its funny how 9 times out of 10 the abandoned, half-starved dogs are pit bulls. Its like those little purse dogs from a few years back. Some people treat them as status symbols instead of pets.

I love Pitbulls & Parolees.  If the shelter were anywhere near DC we would (eventually) be looking to adopt from there.


DC's shelter is full of sweet pitties. Definitely worth looking at if you're looking to adopt.
 
2013-02-06 02:35:59 PM

spentmiles: If anyone out there has a pit that was bought as a pet and then didn't meet your expectations, then - please please please - contact me so I can help you.  I've got a beautiful ranch with over 120 acres for my dogs to run and play.  There are streams for them to splash in, rabbits for them to chase, and a veterinarian that comes twice a month to give checkups.  You can rest guilt-free at night knowing that your dog is taken care of.

I've specialized in rehabilitating "broken" pits for over twenty years.  A lot of people bring me a problem dog, typically a neutered male, who has seemingly lost its will to live.  It lays around the house, eats too much, and shows no aggression whatsoever.  One guy brought me a dog that was too sociable to even take to the dog park.  It just ran around sniffing the other dogs and peeing on trees.  I know that's not why you bought a pit bull, and no one should have to live with such an animal.

Once your dog arrives at my farm, we'll get started as soon as it steps out of your car.  I'll come tearing up on an ATV swinging a length of chain to beat it with if it slows down.  I'll chase it until it either dies of exhaustion or manages to pull me off of the ATV.  In that case, one of my helpers will tranq it.  We'll all sleep well that night.

The next day, I'll start working on its diet.  We serve nothing but human blood here on the ranch.  I mix it with rocks and animal bones to give it some grit.  On Friday's, I throw a few poodles into the cement retreat area for the dogs to fight over.  Just wait until your dog has eaten the warm entrails of another animal.  He'll soon be right back to how God intended him - a tireless, domineering, blood soaked, murder machine that inspires such worldly achievements as war, late term abortions, and child sexual abuse.

Please - do not give up on your dog.  I can fix him!


*golfclap*
Well done.
This is why you are in "Insanity Green"
 
2013-02-06 02:44:43 PM
"pit bull-type" dog
www.dogbreedinfo.com

"Military-type assault" rifle
lh5.googleusercontent.com

People react the same way to both items. These people know jack shiat about either.

Roomate had a pit. The most vicious thing it would do is give slobbery licks to the back of your knees. Lived in near harmony with a cat.
Though I won't say she wasn't dangerous (the pit, not the roomate). She had this farking whip-tail that would damn near break skin. I'd be laying on the couch, and she'd walk by all happy with that slave-whip tail and crack me in the farking face. Goddamn it hurt.
 
2013-02-06 02:46:00 PM

towatchoverme: You have a better chance reasoning with a fundamentalist than a dog person.


"Man, people who disagree with me sure are closed-minded."

Be honest. It's not just fundies and dog people you notice this strange behavior in, is it?

/don't have a dog in this fight, as it were
//but I'm just sayin'
 
2013-02-06 02:50:39 PM
My sister's pit has a tail like a bullwhip wags at the slightest provocation.  God help you if you are sitting on the floor when the dog walks by.  It'll slap the glasses right off your face and accross the room.  Very dangerous breed!
 
2013-02-06 02:52:37 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.


Your mom bit the dog on the leg for biting the mormon kid?
Stange, but I guess that could be an effective training technique.
 
2013-02-06 02:55:17 PM
pkellmey:
Something like this (PDF) may be more beneficial to the conversation.

Thank you for that. I was going to post something about how my chow is nothing but a cuddly fur ball, but I see he is in the "suspect breed" category.
GF keeps saying "Don't put your face close to him", (so of course I do it every day) but hers is just common sense advise for any unfamiliar dog.
My sister had her face severely bitten by a Spitz for that very reason.
 
2013-02-06 02:58:20 PM

letrole: Someone who owns a pit bull also tends to:

1. Buy twenty lottery tickets each week.
2. Have a tattoo on their hands or neck.
3. Pursue futile workman's comp claims.
4. Take photographs of babies holding beer cans.
5. Prominently display an electric guitar in the living room.
6. Have a shaven head.
7. Rent the television for £7 weekly.
8. Travel to a different county specifically to buy fireworks
9. Wear t-shirts featuring profanity.
10. Have at least two stepchildren, each with a different surname.


Aww someone wants some attention.

Who's a good little troll? Who's a good troll? You are! Yes you are!

/you've been validated for the day, you can stop now
//but you won't
 
2013-02-06 02:59:46 PM
I wonder if the people saying, "Blame the owner, not the dog" would say the same about guns.
 
2013-02-06 03:11:08 PM

petec: neongoats: KatjaMouse: dk47: Jack Russell Terrier?

/terriers are the worst

Take that back. Terriers are awesome. Intense, sure, but still awesome.

/grew up with Foxies and currently own a Mini-Schnauzer mix
//Foxies are typically the first dog in obedience training to learn a trick but the last to perform it for a second time

I have a foodle(toy fox terrier/poodle), and he is intense and hilarious. He embodies speed and bouncy energy, like tigger on crack rock. He will joyfully charge to dog battle with my sisters huge yellow lab, despite weighing maybe 15lbs soaking wet. He is very cognizant of what is "his" and will hoard his toys and charge my cat if he hunkers down on one. Which happens a lot, because my cat is a huge cranky orange Manx-coon whose primary form of entertainment is teasing the dog. Oh and the most hilarious thing is how he will spin in place when super excited. Just can't contain himself and must spin around in circles.

When I mentally picture him it is always a cartoon picture of a dog zooming, ears blown back by the wind of his own speed.

Still can't get him to fetch though. He will chase and get the toy, and take it to his toy hoarding spot.

try using two balls..entice him back with the second..




Shoot, I've tried it with whole buckets full of balls and toys. He will go get anything thrown for him, stash it in his spot(varies depending on locale) then come to me wanting me to throw a new one. The trick totally works for my sisters lab, but not my foodle. He also isn't tricked by fake throws, but yet always barks for the doorbell on Twin Peaks.
 
2013-02-06 03:13:42 PM

havocmike: Bullshiat.

Please alert me the next time a Dalmation or Golden Retriever kills a 4 year old child, and the owner blames the kid.

fark you, dangerous dog owners. You're all in denial and it's putting your community at risk.


A Dalmatian owned by relatives tried to take my wife's face off one time (97 stitches). It had never bitten anyone before and my wife is great around dogs, other than this one. The dog's owners were responsible enough to put it down afterward.

I have read that Dalmatians tend to go deaf later in their lives, which can lead to "fear biting", as opposed to regular? biting.
 
2013-02-06 03:18:42 PM

js34603: letrole: Someone who owns a pit bull also tends to:

8. Travel to a different  county  state specifically to buy fireworks
Aww someone wants some attention.

Who's a good little troll? Who's a good troll? You are! Yes you are!

/you've been validated for the day, you can stop now
//but you won't


The best fireworks are in other states. Looking at you SC, with your lax fireworks laws.

/When I lived in FL I used to go to AL to get my boom-booms. Lived across the street from a cop. I'd offer to bring him some (for free) and I never had a problem with the cops showing up to my awesome amature  fireworks displays.
//Neighbors all down the street on the 4th playing with their FL legal sparkles and snakes. Then I start letting the mortors fly. *Booom* *screeeeeeeeeeeech* *KA-FARKING-BOOM* *crackle*. Everyone would stop doing what they were doing and crowds would gather.
///I'd spend $200 on fireworks, because fark it, it's just money, and I'm a big kid.
 
2013-02-06 03:37:29 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com

My pit is very cool around most people and all dogs.  I have found that the people he doesn't like are crooked.
 
2013-02-06 03:40:40 PM

priapic_abandon: A Dalmatian owned by relatives tried to take my wife's face off one time (97 stitches). It had never bitten anyone before and my wife is great around dogs, other than this one. The dog's owners were responsible enough to put it down afterward.


Yikes!

I guess, sometimes, they just go bad....
 
2013-02-06 03:45:35 PM

FriarED1: I wonder if the people saying, "Blame the owner, not the dog" would say the same about guns.


Yes, we would.
 
2013-02-06 03:50:16 PM

MaddMango: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 650x437]

My pit is very cool around most people and all dogs.  I have found that the people he doesn't like are crooked.


Never trust a man who doesn't like dogs.
Never trust a man who dogs don't like.
 
2013-02-06 04:02:11 PM
'the media turned them into monsters'

Asshole owners turned them into monsters.
 
2013-02-06 04:04:40 PM

jedikinkoid: You know what? You're right, dog owners shouldn't be the only ones held strictly liable when their pet attacks someone without provocation.

EVERYONE should.


I agree that damage by animals should be treated the same whether dog or other animal, but I don't think strict liability is good for anything.  plaintiffs should be able to prove a cause of action.  there still is res ipsa loquitor (which means, the thing speaks for itself, you may not know why or how something happened, but you know negligence must have been involved), but that still requires some degree of negligence.

i don't believe in suing the guy who acts reasonably.  there has to be negligence.  keep in mind, with animal attacks, that is easy to find against the owner.  but, you should at least be able to find it.  like any other lawsuit on earth (other than blasting with dynamite).

/ i mention blasting, because traditionally, liabilty without fault should be reserved for actions that are so inherently dangerous that even the responsible actor should be liable.  dog ownership does not raise to the level of inherent danger as blowing stuff up with dynamite.
 
2013-02-06 04:17:17 PM

FriarED1: I wonder if the people saying, "Blame the owner, not the dog" would say the same about guns.


I'd say that some people probably shouldn't have either.
 
2013-02-06 04:31:43 PM

spentmiles: If anyone out there has a pit that was bought as a pet and then didn't meet your expectations, then - please please please - contact me so I can help you.  I've got a beautiful ranch with over 120 acres for my dogs to run and play.  There are streams for them to splash in, rabbits for them to chase, and a veterinarian that comes twice a month to give checkups.  You can rest guilt-free at night knowing that your dog is taken care of.

I've specialized in rehabilitating "broken" pits for over twenty years.  A lot of people bring me a problem dog, typically a neutered male, who has seemingly lost its will to live.  It lays around the house, eats too much, and shows no aggression whatsoever.  One guy brought me a dog that was too sociable to even take to the dog park.  It just ran around sniffing the other dogs and peeing on trees.  I know that's not why you bought a pit bull, and no one should have to live with such an animal.

Once your dog arrives at my farm, we'll get started as soon as it steps out of your car.  I'll come tearing up on an ATV swinging a length of chain to beat it with if it slows down.  I'll chase it until it either dies of exhaustion or manages to pull me off of the ATV.  In that case, one of my helpers will tranq it.  We'll all sleep well that night.

The next day, I'll start working on its diet.  We serve nothing but human blood here on the ranch.  I mix it with rocks and animal bones to give it some grit.  On Friday's, I throw a few poodles into the cement retreat area for the dogs to fight over.  Just wait until your dog has eaten the warm entrails of another animal.  He'll soon be right back to how God intended him - a tireless, domineering, blood soaked, murder machine that inspires such worldly achievements as war, late term abortions, and child sexual abuse.

Please - do not give up on your dog.  I can fix him!


George Liquor
 
2013-02-06 04:41:39 PM

Clearance for Clarence: LadyHawke: Old enough to know better: Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.

Also, I've watched a couple of those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, and its funny how 9 times out of 10 the abandoned, half-starved dogs are pit bulls. Its like those little purse dogs from a few years back. Some people treat them as status symbols instead of pets.

I love Pitbulls & Parolees.  If the shelter were anywhere near DC we would (eventually) be looking to adopt from there.

DC's shelter is full of sweet pitties. Definitely worth looking at if you're looking to adopt.


We were just at the Montgomery Country shelter and I would say 80% of the dogs there were pits or pit mixes. Most of them seemed like sweet puppies who were very happy to see us.
 
2013-02-06 04:48:09 PM

priapic_abandon: havocmike: Bullshiat.

Please alert me the next time a Dalmation or Golden Retriever kills a 4 year old child, and the owner blames the kid.

fark you, dangerous dog owners. You're all in denial and it's putting your community at risk.

A Dalmatian owned by relatives tried to take my wife's face off one time (97 stitches). It had never bitten anyone before and my wife is great around dogs, other than this one. The dog's owners were responsible enough to put it down afterward.

I have read that Dalmatians tend to go deaf later in their lives, which can lead to "fear biting", as opposed to regular? biting.


Dalmatians have a high incidence of deafness at birth, but they tend to be high strung in general. Both of ours were/are very aggressive to other dogs and our current one is not okay with kids or other small/fast things. She gets nervous, and especially gets jealous of the attention that kids get at her expense. She tolerates our daughter, but can't really be said to like her much.
 
2013-02-06 05:12:35 PM
Nothing against pitties, but gimme a nice mutt instead.
Hybrid vigor ftw.
 
2013-02-06 06:00:49 PM

MayoSlather: Cythraul: MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.

Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.

Well they aren't built the same, but yeah in general a large breed that is capable of doing major damage shouldn't be in an urban environment. I'm sure there are cases of retrievers biting people, but this doesn't seem to be an issue, or maybe it's just that retriever biased media not reporting when they attack and kill kids.


Of course they're not built the same. The Golden Retriever is a large breed. The APBT is a medium size breed. That is, if you know anything at all about breed standards. Based on your comment, it doesn't sound like you do.

Here's a short list of breeds (all of which are classified as medium-size, BTW) that should be banned from urban areas, based on your logic:

American Water Spaniel
Basenji
Basset Hound
Bearded Collie
Bedlington Terrier
Belgian Malinois
Belgian Sheepdog
Belgian Tervuren
Border Collie
Boston Terrier
Brittany
Bulldog
Bull Terrier
Clumber Spaniel
Dalmation
English Springer Spaniel
Field Spaniel
French Bulldog
Irish Terrier
Keeshond
Kerry Blue Terrier
Manchester Terrier
Norwegian Elkhound
Parson Russell Terrier
Pharaoh Hound
Welsh Corgi
Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
Plott Hound
Poodle
Portuguese Water Dog
Puli
Samoyed
Siberian Husky
Smooth Fox Terrier
Soft-Coated Wheaten Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Standard Schnauzer
Sussex Spaniel
Tibetan Terrier
Welsh Springer Spaniel
Welsh Terrier
Whippet

Assuming you live in an urban area, do you see the breed you own in that list?

/owner of 1 APBT, 1 French Bulldog & 1 Persian cat
//all are wonderful family members & fantastic companions
 
2013-02-06 06:36:47 PM
I came into this thread thinking I was going to have to knock down the ignorant comments and myths and instead I found a bunch of fellow pittie lovers and the few ignorant comments already knocked down.

I volunteer for a rescue group that saved 7000+ animals last year. We love the pitties. Most of the adoption counselors have them and probably half the volunteers do also.

My pit mix is so friendly, we joke that we're going to get her a job as a greeter in a store. She does it on a volunteer basis wherever we take her.
 
2013-02-06 07:18:44 PM
My problem with pit bulls is irresponsible douchebags. People often get them because they want a big scary looking dog due to the fact that they think it makes them look like a bad-ass. That's clue #1 that they moron. Just like morons shouldn't screw around with guns; morons should stay away from dogs that can really hurt someone. Stick to ankle-biters, dickwads. Leave the grown-up doggies to the people that don't have inferiority-complexes and power-trips.
 
2013-02-06 07:21:07 PM
Anyone else find this new comments thingy sometimes leaves out words. Sometimes I look back at a sentence and it has jost stopped recording my keystrokes for a few seconds? WTF?
 
2013-02-06 07:21:59 PM
Still lets me make typos, though, so that's good.
 
2013-02-06 08:10:55 PM
My unstoppable murder machines.

i1034.photobucket.com


and in memoriam to the first unstoppable murder machine I ever owned.
i1034.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-06 08:48:40 PM
So it's kinda like "Blame the victim?"
 
2013-02-06 10:37:12 PM

i3.photobucket.com

i3.photobucket.com


meehaw: That story made me smile and tear up, just a little.


that's the old boy a few years back.  love that little bastard.
 
2013-02-06 10:52:35 PM

rickythepenguin: meehaw: That story made me smile and tear up, just a little.

that's the old boy a few years back.  love that little bastard.


Man, I can just see him attacking a sprinkler. My girl (an Aussie) does it, too. Strangely, she hates walking on wet ground when it rains, but will absolutely destroy a sprinkler until she's sopping wet and completely worn out. They're such cute little enigmas.

Thanks for the photos. The fact that you followed through with that after this long also makes me tear up.
 
2013-02-06 11:02:23 PM

meehaw: Thanks for the photos. The fact that you followed through with that after this long also makes me tear up.


ha.  yeah man, just got home, remembered.

the old boy is on the bed now. gonna have to kick him off in a little bit.


and they say dogs can't smile.  the old boy gives me that look when he knows he stole a sandwich or maybe some ice cream.
 
2013-02-06 11:05:10 PM

LadyHawke: Good article.  The fiance and I plan to eventually adopt a pit, though it won't be our first dog (while he's owned dogs growing up, I have not, so I want to start with an "easier" dog, such as a greyhound).  A pit/pit-mix rescue will most likely be our second dog.


A Greyhound isn't an easier dog.   You really need to talk to someone who really understands dog personalities and traits.   You need a custom ordered dog type that matches yours....don't go Greyhound unless you have lots of time and a place to let them run daily.
 
2013-02-07 05:18:55 AM
walkerhound:
mr_a: Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves

"Mistaken for the Fila Brasiliero.  The only run-ins I've had with them have been for elective surgery, and both were extremely aggressive in the hospital, away from their owners.  I believe this was the breed involved in killing a woman in San Francisco a number of years back."

Haven't read the rest off the thread, so don't know if this has been mentioned.

Re the dog attack, I believe you are thinking of a presa canario, which is similar, but spanish, not brazilian.
 
2013-02-07 05:29:25 AM
LadyHawke:
"plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!
...
Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)"

Greyhounds are generally very gentle, but in my experience don't live very long, so that's something to seriously consider.

Their temperament is very unlike pits.

If you are looking to be the 30%, I applaud you, but don't think one will be like the other. Pits can be nippy and aggressive, especially as puppies or if they've not been trained well, as is the case with many rescues.

I've had a number of dogs over the years, but my pit is a challenge, primarily because she is just incredibly strong and hard-headed.

You absolutely need to establish your dominance with your pit bull early. You can't allow them to be in control the way you can with many other breeds. They're just too dangerous.

An older pit generally will be calmer, and may easily live as long as a greyhound rescue that is much younger when you adopt it.

Just don't underestimate the pit's strength or assume it'll be like other breeds.
 
2013-02-07 05:40:23 AM
Cythraul:
MNguy: Carn:   There's a reason why they use them in races.

Just like there's a reason pits are used for fighting.

"Funny.

And if you take a Greyhound from birth, and actually avoid teaching it anything to do with racing, I doubt it would have a clue as an adult dog what to do when the starting signal is given for the race to begin.  Probably just stand there looking confused.

Maybe that means that a breed's physical characteristics mean nothing if you don't train or exploit them to do certain tasks that take advantage of those physical characteristics"

Oh, you sweet, naïve thing.
 
2013-02-07 06:20:57 AM
Didn't see anyone else mention it, but this exact same article was greenlighted a few days back, but posted on alternet.
 
2013-02-07 08:40:34 AM

o'really: LadyHawke:
"plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!
...
Our first dog will likely be a greyhound rescue :)"

Greyhounds are generally very gentle, but in my experience don't live very long, so that's something to seriously consider.

Their temperament is very unlike pits.

If you are looking to be the 30%, I applaud you, but don't think one will be like the other. Pits can be nippy and aggressive, especially as puppies or if they've not been trained well, as is the case with many rescues.

I've had a number of dogs over the years, but my pit is a challenge, primarily because she is just incredibly strong and hard-headed.

You absolutely need to establish your dominance with your pit bull early. You can't allow them to be in control the way you can with many other breeds. They're just too dangerous.

An older pit generally will be calmer, and may easily live as long as a greyhound rescue that is much younger when you adopt it.

Just don't underestimate the pit's strength or assume it'll be like other breeds.


Ladyhawke
Not sure where the short-lived Greyhound comments come from. Our first Grey lived to be 13, and our current one is 11 and still going strong.

While "most" Greyhounds seem docile and unassuming, I wouldn't choose one just because you think they are going to be easier to handle. Our "pack" consists of 1 greyhound and 2 Rottweilers, all female. The pack leader is the Greyhound, who is quite capable of enforcing her rules on the Rotties. And in general, when I have to break up "rough play", it is usually the Greyhound causing the problems.

And while they are usually very gentle around humans, they can be aggressive. Remember, racing dogs have spent the first few years of their lives with 50 other dogs, and are used to defending their turf, and food, from the others. Similarly, they almost all have high prey drives, which means they will run and chase after just about anything that weighs 10 lbs or less, including cats and small dogs. Neither of our dogs have ever hurt another pet, like our cats, but they will chase after them, at least once. Our cats are more than capable of communicating their dislike.

Greyhounds look like wimps, but are actually quite strong. Our last grey thought nothing of tackling and body-slamming a Rottweiler. They may look  like wimps, but don't forget you are dealing with 60-90 lbs of pure muscle. Like any dog, they can quickly develop their share of bad habits if you are not on top of them.

Not trying to discourage you. A Greyhound is a great first dog, and while I love Rotts and Pits, I wouldn't suggest them as a first pet-not so much because of the dog, but rather the actions of other people. Just don't underestimate the capabilities of a Greyhound. And while rescue racers show up reasonably well trained, don't confuse that training for guaranteed good behavior. Like any other dog, you need to establish yourself as the "boss" or else the dog will take over.
 
2013-02-07 09:32:12 AM
Google
Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks
 
2013-02-07 11:14:19 AM
Google
CDC identification of dog breeds
 
2013-02-07 02:31:17 PM
Google
how to make a dog come
 
2013-02-07 02:48:55 PM
mr_a, my apologies. I guess I was misinformed about the greyhound lifespan.
 
2013-02-07 03:40:35 PM

spentmiles: Google
how to make a dog come


Wonder how many people try this without turning on safe search...
 
2013-02-07 03:53:54 PM

o'really: mr_a, my apologies. I guess I was misinformed about the greyhound lifespan.


No problem. In fact I am not even sure what their "average" lifespan is. In our case, we have adopted them at a rather young age, both were 3. That means they didn't race all that much, usually the result of some type of injury. Both of ours had back problems all through their life.

My unscientific survey shows that if you adopt them later in life, 5 or so, they tend to be less long-lived- no doubt the result of a lifetime of relatively stressful racing lifestyle.

In general, though, bigger dogs tend to live shorter lives. No doubt it is influenced by genetics, lifestyle, healthcare, and just plain old luck....much like humans.
 
2013-02-07 04:15:46 PM

LadyHawke: Good article.  The fiance and I plan to eventually adopt a pit, though it won't be our first dog (while he's owned dogs growing up, I have not, so I want to start with an "easier" dog, such as a greyhound).  A pit/pit-mix rescue will most likely be our second dog.


Other farkers have already chimed in on this, so... forget what they said and pay attention to  semiotix.

No, but seriously, it's true that greyhounds are not "easy," although neither are they some sort of expert-level challenge. One thing to consider is that they can be extremely  violent without being  aggressive, if you're something that moves very fast and weighs less than 10 pounds. I learned this the hard way when I took a friend's greyhound, an ex-racer, to a dog park. He spend a solid hour frolicking in the friendliest possible way with a little corgi puppy. Then the puppy darted into a bush. Then the puppy darted out of a bush.

****whoosh**** and the puppy was half-dead from neck-shaking. I threw myself on the greyhound while other people got the puppy away. When I got up, the dog was totally serene. In his mind, the puppy disappeared and was instantaneously replaced with a rabbit, so he did what sighthounds do with rabbits, end of story. No malice, no aggression, just pure reflex. At the time I knew nothing about this, except that my friend had said he was great with other dogs. (When I told him what happened, he said, "oh, yeah, I meant to give you his muzzle." Douche.)

That doesn't disqualify greyhounds as pets, not by a long shot. But it's something that the usual "dog aggression" and "cat aggression" tests don't measure, so forewarned is forearmed. You could have drowned this dog in cats, and he wouldn't have blinked until one of them made a quick move in his peripheral vision.
 
2013-02-07 10:31:33 PM
Gal up at the head of the road has a big Rottie who is under the impression that she was meant to be a lapdog. She had a tendency to try climb into my lap when I was opening the car door to check my mail on the way home. A hundred-plus pound dog putting all it's weight on one paw on certain portions of your anatomy can really leave a guy helpless, and trust me, it ain't with laughter.
Still and all, she's a wonderful girl. The only real evidence of any sort of benevolent god I've found is the existence of the average dog, and the way humans sometimes treat them is a strong counter-argument.
 
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