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2013-02-06 02:40:56 AM  
As owner of a mixed Husky/Pit let me say they are truly gentle gnats.
 
2013-02-06 05:55:45 AM  
Nice article, but probably a waste of time.

I've been walking my dog (a fully papered Rottweiler), and have had people come up to me and start lecturing me on "pitbulls", and how they are vicious and unpredictable and have locking jaws and the bite strength of a car-crusher.

I used to argue with them, but I have found it is more fun to solicit their expertise. Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves, have an inbred hatred of humans, and amazingly enough, like to track down children because of an instinct to hunt defenseless prey.

The best lectures seem to come from people wearing little fish lapel pins and dragging around a herd of misbehaved and ill-mannered children.
 
2013-02-06 08:46:19 AM  

mr_a: Nice article, but probably a waste of time.


Yeah, pretty much. If this goes green, prepare to see people flood in posting pics of victims of 'pit bull' attacks with sarcastic phrases like, "Perfect nanny dog!," and "Wouldn't hurt a fly."
 
2013-02-06 08:59:12 AM  
And here we go.
 
2013-02-06 09:38:49 AM  
It's really as simple as this:  if you are bitten by a Chihuahua you rinse it off, put a band aid on it and go about your business.  If you are bitten by any large breed dog, you are likely going to the hospital.  Are pit bulls more "dangerous" than a Pug?  Yes.  Does that make them "monsters"?  No.

I don't care what kind of dog it is, when people are injured by a dog it is the responsibility of the dog's owner, and the owners needs to be held accountable civilly and criminally.
 
2013-02-06 09:43:28 AM  
I didn't read TFA completely but this has less to do with the dog and more to do with the owner.  If the owner is a dipshiat insecure retard, then chances are more likely the dog will be farking insane.  Having grown up in a lower middle income redneck neighborhood, there were plenty of Pits, Rotts, German Shepards, and Dobermans.  Those things would get out and terrorize the neighborhood.  But like I said, the dog didn't really matter.  There were families with wiener dogs and toy poodles that were just as nuts.


/But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.
 
2013-02-06 09:50:01 AM  

UberDave: /But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.


animal-world.com

You mean a toy or a miniature Poodle, right? The standard Poodle breed is a medium sized dog, and was originally bred for hunting in watery environments. Granted, they're not one of the bigger breeds, but I definitely would not want one to attack me.
 
2013-02-06 09:51:58 AM  
Pit Bulls do for dog breeds what Jonestown did for powdered kids drinks.
 
2013-02-06 09:52:37 AM  
I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.
 
2013-02-06 09:53:12 AM  
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2013-02-06 09:53:18 AM  

fireclown: I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.


This. They're a product of their environment as much as people are.
 
2013-02-06 09:54:08 AM  
Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really
 
2013-02-06 09:54:29 AM  
Good article.  The fiance and I plan to eventually adopt a pit, though it won't be our first dog (while he's owned dogs growing up, I have not, so I want to start with an "easier" dog, such as a greyhound).  A pit/pit-mix rescue will most likely be our second dog.
 
2013-02-06 09:55:18 AM  

mr_a: The best lectures seem to come from people wearing little fish lapel pins and dragging around a herd of misbehaved and ill-mannered children.


Just tell them your dog doesn't bite. He swallows children whole.
And he hasn't been fed in three days.
 
2013-02-06 09:56:37 AM  
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2013-02-06 09:56:49 AM  

fireclown: I tend to believe that if you show me a mean dog, I'll show you a mean family.


That's the truth Ruth!

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really


A more sensible statement could not be made.

This is the only breed of dog I would ever own again.
 
2013-02-06 09:57:50 AM  
My son has a pit/basset hound mix.  Oddest looking thing ever.  Friendly than all get out.
 
2013-02-06 09:57:56 AM  
So in the end, it pays to be alert around big dogs if you have no idea what their owner is/was like. Which is also why I wouldn't rescue one. Sorry dog.
 
2013-02-06 09:58:25 AM  
My SO has a staffordshire terrier. She is the sweetest dog ever. My nephew loves her to death and my dogs love her. Her name is Fenway but is often called Fat Ma'am (she is kinda square shaped) and Freeway (she was thrown out of a Jeep on the highway).

I would not trade spending time with her or my dogs (Pekingnese and St. Bernard) for anything. What I don't like are the mean and violent people that who have ruined several reputations of good breeds.
 
2013-02-06 09:58:25 AM  

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.



It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.
 
2013-02-06 09:59:04 AM  
The problem with Pitbull is that he looks like a douche, makes shiatty club music, and does commercials for Bud Light.  I can't believe there isn't more unanimity on this subject.
 
2013-02-06 09:59:28 AM  
Love Pitties, have had 3.  Want another.

Hate the deed, not the breed.

/ok, shlocky and trite, but it was either that or "who rescued who?"
 
2013-02-06 09:59:57 AM  

js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.

/remarkably similar to the gun problem, really


Careful. Bad dog owners might try to get them protected under the second amendment.

/DOG OF FREEDOM(tm)
 
2013-02-06 10:00:10 AM  
I had a pit bull growing up. I named her Max (short for Maxine). She went everywhere with me and was my best friend. That dog was the single gentlest animal I have ever known. I used her as a pillow when I watched TV. She warmed my feet when we went camping. She never displayed any aggression at all toward anyone. Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.
They didn't put her down because the kid was trespassing- in New Mexico, as soon as you find out that you're unwelcome on private property, you're required to book ass off that land forthwith. Instead, he essentially forced entry in part.
So, yeah, vicious, dangerous animal. We had her 7 more years, my infant sons sat on her, and she was put down 11 years ago at the age of 16. Never so much as an angry noise from that dog, except for that Mormon kid.
To be fair, I would have bit him too.
 
2013-02-06 10:02:00 AM  
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2013-02-06 10:02:39 AM  
Pitbulls killed the dinosaurs.
 
2013-02-06 10:02:41 AM  

Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.


And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!
 
2013-02-06 10:03:10 AM  
If anyone out there has a pit that was bought as a pet and then didn't meet your expectations, then - please please please - contact me so I can help you.  I've got a beautiful ranch with over 120 acres for my dogs to run and play.  There are streams for them to splash in, rabbits for them to chase, and a veterinarian that comes twice a month to give checkups.  You can rest guilt-free at night knowing that your dog is taken care of.

I've specialized in rehabilitating "broken" pits for over twenty years.  A lot of people bring me a problem dog, typically a neutered male, who has seemingly lost its will to live.  It lays around the house, eats too much, and shows no aggression whatsoever.  One guy brought me a dog that was too sociable to even take to the dog park.  It just ran around sniffing the other dogs and peeing on trees.  I know that's not why you bought a pit bull, and no one should have to live with such an animal.

Once your dog arrives at my farm, we'll get started as soon as it steps out of your car.  I'll come tearing up on an ATV swinging a length of chain to beat it with if it slows down.  I'll chase it until it either dies of exhaustion or manages to pull me off of the ATV.  In that case, one of my helpers will tranq it.  We'll all sleep well that night.

The next day, I'll start working on its diet.  We serve nothing but human blood here on the ranch.  I mix it with rocks and animal bones to give it some grit.  On Friday's, I throw a few poodles into the cement retreat area for the dogs to fight over.  Just wait until your dog has eaten the warm entrails of another animal.  He'll soon be right back to how God intended him - a tireless, domineering, blood soaked, murder machine that inspires such worldly achievements as war, late term abortions, and child sexual abuse.

Please - do not give up on your dog.  I can fix him!
 
2013-02-06 10:03:40 AM  
I learned it by watching YOU, Dad!!
 
2013-02-06 10:04:23 AM  

UberDave: I didn't read TFA completely but this has less to do with the dog and more to do with the owner.  If the owner is a dipshiat insecure retard, then chances are more likely the dog will be farking insane.  Having grown up in a lower middle income redneck neighborhood, there were plenty of Pits, Rotts, German Shepards, and Dobermans.  Those things would get out and terrorize the neighborhood.  But like I said, the dog didn't really matter.  There were families with wiener dogs and toy poodles that were just as nuts.


/But if I were to choose what attacked me, it would be a poodle rather than a pit bull.


The rednecks around me had great dogs.  All farm dogs who knew who was from the area and what animals belonged in the barn.  Bark at a car when it pulls up, and then begged to be petted when they recognize the driver.
 
2013-02-06 10:05:52 AM  
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2013-02-06 10:06:26 AM  

The Third Man: The problem with Pitbull is that he looks like a douche, makes shiatty club music, and does commercials for Bud Light.  I can't believe there isn't more unanimity on this subject.


No shiat.  I mean if were going to vote to have anything put down...
 
2013-02-06 10:06:52 AM  
Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.

Also, I've watched a couple of those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, and its funny how 9 times out of 10 the abandoned, half-starved dogs are pit bulls. Its like those little purse dogs from a few years back. Some people treat them as status symbols instead of pets.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:01 AM  

DoctorOfLove: [images.elephantjournal.com image 320x240]


Oh yeah, I remember the 80s German Shephards-are-evil craze!

Wait, no I don't.

Doberman Pinchers in the 70s? Never heard a thing about that.

Pit bulls in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, yes, lots of stories about them.
 
2013-02-06 10:07:47 AM  
I have never had any trouble identifying a Pit Bull. After I kill one on my property I put it out by the road and when the owner finds it he tells me if it was a Pit Bull or not.
 
2013-02-06 10:08:52 AM  
The problem is Blacks and Hispanics using them as status symbols.
 
2013-02-06 10:08:53 AM  

Terrydatroll: I have never had any trouble identifying a Pit Bull. After I kill one on my property I put it out by the road and when the owner finds it he tells me if it was a Pit Bull or not.


Are you the new letrole, or something?
 
2013-02-06 10:09:06 AM  
As someone who recently acquired a pitbull because of a friend going on a 2-5 year vacation, I've been getting a kick out of the fearful faces of people I pass on the street when I walk him.  Also the other night I was walking him fairly late and I live in a dodgy neighborhood and a young urbanite crossed the street in a quick jog directly toward me, had apparently not seen the dog until he we about 15 feet away from me and he stopped dead silent. I just said how yah doin and went on my merry way.

Anyway the pit's the sweetest dog I've ever met, very friendly to humans though he does puff up around other dogs of equal or greater size. It's all bark though, I've never seen him bite anything, and he's usually very playful after initial meeting which usually scares the dog owners more than the dogs.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:15 AM  

Old enough to know better: Good to see some sensible comments in this thread. Funny how if someone shoots up a neighborhood we blame the guy for being a screwed up nutcase. If he's trained his dog to be violent and aggressive and lets it run lose to attack someone, its the animal who's to blame.

Also, I've watched a couple of those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, and its funny how 9 times out of 10 the abandoned, half-starved dogs are pit bulls. Its like those little purse dogs from a few years back. Some people treat them as status symbols instead of pets.


I love Pitbulls & Parolees.  If the shelter were anywhere near DC we would (eventually) be looking to adopt from there.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:55 AM  

mr_a: Over the years I have learned that "pitbulls" were bred to kill slaves


Mistaken for the Fila Brasiliero.  The only run-ins I've had with them have been for elective surgery, and both were extremely aggressive in the hospital, away from their owners.  I believe this was the breed involved in killing a woman in San Francisco a number of years back.
 
2013-02-06 10:09:57 AM  

Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.


I have a modicum of control over my dogs.  I'd like to have more, but it's hard to train two at a time without a second set of hands.  Hopefully, when my wife finishes med school this summer, we'll put a lot of work into the puppy and get him better off.  We did enough training up front that he listens and responds to training, and I've broken horses that had a lot more...independence...than this spoiled brat.

/Boxer-lab mix, we think.
//He's good with food and personal space, but high energy and wants to play all the time.
///Usually he plays with the Rotty but they get loooooud
////bonus slashie
 
2013-02-06 10:11:01 AM  

ChaoticLimbs: That dog was the single gentlest animal I have ever known. I used her as a pillow when I watched TV. She warmed my feet when we went camping. She never displayed any aggression at all toward anyone. Then she bit a Mormon kid who put his hand on the door to stop my mom from closing it in his face. Max didn't like my mom's reaction to that one bit, and she silently moved forward and bit him right on the leg.


yeah, that's kinda how mine have been.  when my youngest was a toddler, she used to crawl all over Bella (keep in mind, we weren't stupid about it, we'd still be close to the dog because any dog can snap).  she'd just lay there, probably nurturing some dog maternal instinct, as my kid drooled and crawled and poked and prodded at her.

my boy, he's about 72lbs of goofball.  people love him.  strangers honk and wave at us. he just looks funny i guess.  he likes sprinklers.  like at the park, when the psrinklers go off, he likes to run over and drink from it.  people love that.  a 60' jet of water and my boy sticks his damn head in the stream.
 
2013-02-06 10:11:50 AM  
Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.
 
2013-02-06 10:12:14 AM  

SpdrJay: Pitbulls killed the dinosaurs.


and Jesus... don't forget Jesus.  I am pretty sure it was a Roman Pitbull that killed Jesus.
 
2013-02-06 10:12:26 AM  

LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!


Be careful with what you get.  Try to avoid any of the "High Energy" breeds or you'll wish you had a dozen pitbulls to start.  If you're in a cold area and have a yard, I'd highly recommend a Husky or Malamute.  They make no finer dog.

/Then again, Save a life. Get a rescue
 
2013-02-06 10:13:02 AM  

LadyHawke: Mad Tea Party: js34603: Pit bulls aren't the problem. Your average pit bill owner is the problem.


It's been my experience that ~70% of dog owners have zero clue what they're doing and no real control over their dog. Really wish we had some kind of proficiency exam ppl had to pass before they can own breeds like pitbulls.

And this is exactly why I plan to get experience with another dog breed BEFORE getting a pit.

/will be in the 30%!!!


The Cesar Milan book is really good and I recommend it.  Cesar's Way I think.  Even though I had dogs growing up and have always been around them, I had never been the sole owner until I got my dog a couple years ago so I wanted a quick primer.  Basically he talks about discipline, drawing boundaries, importance of leash walking (bonding) and exercise.  I've gotten serious mileage out of one simple rule from that book that I never thought about as a kid around dogs - people go first.  In the dog's mind, whoever enters a space first owns it so especially the first time you bring your dog home, you're supposed to go for a long walk with it (bond) and when you get home you introduce it into certain rooms one at a time with you leading it.  Makes a huge difference in doggy behavior.  Same goes for outside - don't let your dog lead you out of the door or you're not in charge.
 
2013-02-06 10:13:24 AM  

MayoSlather: Their aggression may depend on their owner but the difference is the strength of the animal. When a smaller breeds gets agitated and bites it's usually no big deal, but when a pitbull does it can cause major damage. That's why they don't belong in urban areas. There is just no need to have a dog that can rip your throat out when there are so many others that lack that ability.


Are you for applying the same restrictions to all large breed dogs that 'Pit Bulls' are subjected to, then?  This would probably include very popular 'good' breeds like the golden retriever, by the way.
 
2013-02-06 10:13:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: So in the end, it pays to be alert around big dogs if you have no idea what their owner is/was like. Which is also why I wouldn't rescue one. Sorry dog.


My sister has a rescue dog. Great dog around kids, and is probably the most protective dog out of the long list of dogs she's ever owned. Goes freaking nuts around postal carriers of any type even though the dog has been professionally trained multiple times after she got it to try to break this reaction. Plus, it is racist to a ridiculous degree. White neighbors, no problem and is always looking to play. Anyone of any other color, it wants to take your head off. Several trainers tried to break the dog of the habit but was unsuccessful and believe it was probably abused as a puppy and now has mental issues. Rescue dogs are just rolling the dice because once they are mentally broken or abandoned, you have no idea how they will react in some situations and you may not even be aware of the problem until the situation occurs.
 
2013-02-06 10:14:53 AM  
My sister-in-law had a Staffie that was constantly mistaken for a pit.  She was a sweet, gentle dog.  My Frenchie was a sweet, gentle dog until she was attacked by a lab/wolfhound mix last summer and cut for 7 stitches on her face.  Now she doesn't trust any dog she didn't know before the attack.  It really sucks.
 
2013-02-06 10:15:16 AM  

Ennuipoet: It's really as simple as this:  if you are bitten by a Chihuahua you rinse it off, put a band aid on it and go about your business.  If you are bitten by any large breed dog, you are likely going to the hospital.  Are pit bulls more "dangerous" than a Pug?  Yes.  Does that make them "monsters"?  No.

I don't care what kind of dog it is, when people are injured by a dog it is the responsibility of the dog's owner, and the owners needs to be held accountable civilly and criminally.


we have a really funny law in my state regarding animal attacks.  IIRC, for any animal attack other than a dog, it's a standard negligence analysis.  but, if a dog attacks someone while it was not properly restrained or fending off an intruder, it's pretty much strict liability (one of the only activities in my state with strict liability other than blasting (like, with dynamite)).

so, that means, if my full grown tiger attacks you, i have an easier time defending my lawsuit then the guy who's chihuahua attacked someone.  (with the tiger, you have to prove i messed up.  with the dog, i have to prove i didn't mess up - because it's assumed i already messed up)

found the law for more specificity:

La.C.C. Art. 2321. Damage caused by animals
The owner of an animal is answerable for the damage caused by the animal. However, he is answerable for the damage only upon a showing that he knew or, in the exercise of reasonable care, should have known that his animal's behavior would cause damage, that the damage could have been prevented by the exercise of reasonable care, and that he failed to exercise such reasonable care. Nonetheless, the owner of a dog is strictly liable for damages for injuries to persons or property caused by the dog and which the owner could have prevented and which did not result from the injured person's provocation of the dog. Nothing in this Article shall preclude the court from the application of the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur in an appropriate case.

/ when i was studying for the bar, the prof teaching the prep class said, here's the louisiana hates dogs rule
// this is one of the rules that didn't need to be written.  the standard animal analysis is completely sufficient to deal with all animal attacks.  no reason to disadvantage dog owners over all other animal owners.  including tigers and alligators, or whatever.
 
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