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(BBC)   German Education Minister caught plagiarizing, has doctorate withdrawn   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 32
    More: Ironic, Annette Schavan, Chancellor Angela Merkel, doctorates, secret ballots, Duesseldorf  
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2013-02-06 09:26:04 AM
You know who else liked to steal other peoples' intellectual property?
 
2013-02-06 09:28:40 AM
You know who else had to withdraw?
 
2013-02-06 09:29:46 AM
I don't want to see the word stripped any where near a photo of that woman.
 
2013-02-06 09:34:35 AM
Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.
 
2013-02-06 09:37:00 AM

Bullseyed: Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.


We elect the Vice President?
 
2013-02-06 09:39:22 AM
Man who the hell cares?

This is like that Yahoo! exec who got canned because he exaggerated his résumé. Who cares that he can do the job. Who cares that it's been years since his schooling. All that matters to these nitpickers is that they ruin someone's life.
 
2013-02-06 09:39:44 AM

beta_plus: You know who else liked to steal other peoples' intellectual property?


This guy?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-06 09:40:05 AM

alabasterblack: Bullseyed: Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.

We elect the Vice President?


Yes, when you vote for POTUS you are voting for the VPOTUS. New here huh?
 
2013-02-06 09:42:03 AM
"Plagiarism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

-- George W. Bush
 
2013-02-06 09:42:52 AM

alabasterblack: Bullseyed: Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.

We elect the Vice President?


You know how I know you've never read article 2 section 1 of the us constitution?
 
2013-02-06 09:45:03 AM
History is full of plagiarism. One of the most famous...

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." - John F. Kennedy (1961)

But he was not the first to say it. Many have suggested he got that saying from his former Headmaster, George St. John, who was known to repeatedly utter a similar phrase as early as the 1930s. However, the phrase also appears in The New Frontier, a book written by Khalil Gibran, one of Kennedy's favorite authors, first published in 1925. Who said it first is unknown, but it certainly wasn't Kennedy.

As I said, history is full of plagiarism, but only those that don't have a lot of money and power get punished.
 
2013-02-06 09:49:00 AM
"I like peas and carrots, just not together" - Amos Quito
 
2013-02-06 10:00:55 AM

gh0strid3r: History is full of plagiarism. One of the most famous...

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." - John F. Kennedy (1961)

But he was not the first to say it. Many have suggested he got that saying from his former Headmaster, George St. John, who was known to repeatedly utter a similar phrase as early as the 1930s. However, the phrase also appears in The New Frontier, a book written by Khalil Gibran, one of Kennedy's favorite authors, first published in 1925. Who said it first is unknown, but it certainly wasn't Kennedy.

As I said, history is full of plagiarism, but only those that don't have a lot of money and power get punished.


Isn't it fairly well known that Presidents don't write their own speaches?  Was that the case back when JFK was in office?  If so, he really can't be blamed for that.  He just deleivered the line.
 
2013-02-06 10:01:17 AM
Man who the hell cares?

This is like that Yahoo! exec who got canned because he exaggerated his résumé. Who cares that he can do the job. Who cares that it's been years since his schooling. All that matters to these nitpickers is that they ruin someone's life.
 
2013-02-06 10:08:21 AM

Joe Blowme: alabasterblack: Bullseyed: Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.

We elect the Vice President?

Yes, when you vote for POTUS you are voting for the VPOTUS. New here huh?


Yes, but given our fascinating electoral college a POTUS could wind up with a VPOTUS belonging to another POTUS-wannabe.
 
2013-02-06 10:10:59 AM

gh0strid3r: As I said, history is full of plagiarism, but only those that don't have a lot of money and power get punished.

deliberately and knowingly claim the work of somebody else as their own in order to gain a qualification that confers status, respect, and economic advantage within a context whose quintessential definition is original research.

FTFY.

If you really can't distinguish between failing to footnote a speech and failing to footnote a PhD thesis, I fear for your ability to function.

Also, if you don't think that two cabinet ministers in the German federal government count as people that "have a lot of money and power", I wonder what your definition is.

In fact, your entire post couldn't have been more silly if you had tried. It was spherically dumb.
 
2013-02-06 10:12:05 AM
Beta_plus
You know who else liked to steal other peoples' intellectual property?
 
2013-02-06 10:12:31 AM
Welcome to the Turnitin.com  era.

Your life will be scrutinized by computers from now on.

If you ever mess up, it will become public knowledge.

This is better.
 
2013-02-06 10:17:50 AM
There's been about a dozen leading German politicians who had their Doctorate revoked.  Started with the Defense Minister (canned) through multiple senior pols with various parties and now the Education minister will likely be canned.  Apparently the vaunted German university system is not all that great.  I can't wait to see if the outters go to work on CEOs after they're done with the pols.
 
2013-02-06 10:18:34 AM

durbnpoisn: gh0strid3r: History is full of plagiarism. One of the most famous...

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." - John F. Kennedy (1961)

But he was not the first to say it. Many have suggested he got that saying from his former Headmaster, George St. John, who was known to repeatedly utter a similar phrase as early as the 1930s. However, the phrase also appears in The New Frontier, a book written by Khalil Gibran, one of Kennedy's favorite authors, first published in 1925. Who said it first is unknown, but it certainly wasn't Kennedy.

As I said, history is full of plagiarism, but only those that don't have a lot of money and power get punished.

Isn't it fairly well known that Presidents don't write their own speaches?  Was that the case back when JFK was in office?  If so, he really can't be blamed for that.  He just deleivered the line.


czetie: gh0strid3r: As I said, history is full of plagiarism, but only those that don't have a lot of money and power get punished. deliberately and knowingly claim the work of somebody else as their own in order to gain a qualification that confers status, respect, and economic advantage within a context whose quintessential definition is original research.

FTFY.

If you really can't distinguish between failing to footnote a speech and failing to footnote a PhD thesis, I fear for your ability to function.

Also, if you don't think that two cabinet ministers in the German federal government count as people that "have a lot of money and power", I wonder what your definition is.

In fact, your entire post couldn't have been more silly if you had tried. It was spherically dumb.


He used someone else's words and didn't cite his source. That's the definition of plagiarism.
 
2013-02-06 10:27:19 AM

durbnpoisn: gh0strid3r: History is full of plagiarism. One of the most famous...

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." - John F. Kennedy (1961)

But he was not the first to say it. Many have suggested he got that saying from his former Headmaster, George St. John, who was known to repeatedly utter a similar phrase as early as the 1930s. However, the phrase also appears in The New Frontier, a book written by Khalil Gibran, one of Kennedy's favorite authors, first published in 1925. Who said it first is unknown, but it certainly wasn't Kennedy.

As I said, history is full of plagiarism, but only those that don't have a lot of money and power get punished.

Isn't it fairly well known that Presidents don't write their own speaches?  Was that the case back when JFK was in office?  If so, he really can't be blamed for that.  He just deleivered the line.


Off the charts derp here... They may not write their own speeches, but if they take speeches from people who aren't their paid speech writers it is still plagiarism.
 
2013-02-06 10:28:54 AM

alabasterblack: Bullseyed: Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.

We elect the Vice President?


Something something Tina Fey something something Russia something something house.
 
2013-02-06 10:39:15 AM
beta_plus

You know who else liked to steal other peoples' intellectual property?

Why yes, yes I do
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2013-02-06 10:47:36 AM

gh0strid3r: He used someone else's words and didn't cite his source. That's the definition of plagiarism.


Would you say that somebody who stole a candy bar is as bad as somebody who robbed a bank? After all, that's the definition of robbery. Context matters, and the essential definition of a PhD thesis is original research, and the most basic standard of practice in any academic work -- taught from Freshman orientation onwards -- is to footnote everything.

I also note that you failed to explain how two cabinet ministers in the German federal government don't count as the "rich and powerful" people you claim get away with plagiarism.

Right now you sound like a thirteen year old: "look, both these things fit the dictionary definition, therefore OMGLOLWUT!".
 
2013-02-06 11:05:50 AM

czetie: I also note that you failed to explain how two cabinet ministers in the German federal government don't count as the "rich and powerful" people you claim get away with plagiarism.


And who made them a great success and brought them wealth and fame?
 
2013-02-06 11:24:09 AM
Getting a PhD is usually a grueling experience.  In the sciences, you slavishly spend very long weeks, often skipping weekends, in order to carry out experiments, knowing that they will likely fail to show anything significant.  Even when they do, you are in a race with every other lab doing similar work, hoping that you get your stuff done and published before they "scoup" you out of a good paper.  And that's just when you are a graduate student.  Add to it the pressures of then writing proposals in order to get funding (when some trivial percentage like 10% or so of all proposals get funding) and you can start hating life.

I am not too familiar with the humanities process, but one of my housemates was getting her PhD in English Literature.  It involved copious amounts of reading, note taking, doing research, finding obscure manuscripts, and sometimes even learning additional languages (e.g. Latin, although don't ask me why this pertains to English Lit...) in order to get by.

In both cases, it is something that takes years of your life, and confers you some prestige, respect, and hopefully a leg up in getting an academic or other position.

The fact that we have these cheaters lifting huge sections of their theses from other sources without citation immediately suggests that these politicians are either grossly sloppy, or more likely, lazy, incompetent, and looking for the easy way out, hoping they will not be caught.  I cannot trust someone who claims that they have spent years doing research for their thesis when large sections of it are someone else's work, and it just confirms that the person in question is sleazy and inept, and should be removed from any post of public responsibility.
 
2013-02-06 12:34:21 PM
She wanted all the credit,
The title and the fame,
And Minister Annette Schavano of Duesseldorf's her name.

(with apologies to Tom Lehrer)
 
2013-02-06 12:46:46 PM

Bullseyed: Meanwhile in America we elect plagiarizers to be vice president.


And we make their birthday a federal holiday every January.
 
2013-02-06 12:47:37 PM
You missed several great bits that could give you a shadenfreudegasm:

She is education minister
Her doctoral thesis was on people and ethics
She was totally gloating when another minister lost his title and job. She was, like, totally ashamed for him and not in a small amount. When that minister SMSed his resignation to the chancellor, she was smirking with her.

On the other hand, her thesis was 33 years ago. With the exception of war crimes and murder and now apparently plagiarizing, everything else has hit the statute of limitations.

And it shines a bad light on all the universities as this wasn't the first case this year. Apparently they were all like "No way in hell are we reading those farking things"
 
2013-02-06 01:22:41 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: You know who else had to withdraw?


Your dad?
 
2013-02-06 09:44:56 PM

Tiiba: DarkSoulNoHope: You know who else had to withdraw?

Your dad?


He tried.
 
2013-02-07 02:54:10 AM

czetie: gh0strid3r: He used someone else's words and didn't cite his source. That's the definition of plagiarism.

Would you say that somebody who stole a candy bar is as bad as somebody who robbed a bank? After all, that's the definition of robbery. Context matters, and the essential definition of a PhD thesis is original research, and the most basic standard of practice in any academic work -- taught from Freshman orientation onwards -- is to footnote everything.

I also note that you failed to explain how two cabinet ministers in the German federal government don't count as the "rich and powerful" people you claim get away with plagiarism.

Right now you sound like a thirteen year old: "look, both these things fit the dictionary definition, therefore OMGLOLWUT!".


I mentioned nothing about severity. I said he took credit for someone else's words. And even without looking it up, I would say the President of the United States has more money and power at his disposal than two German feds.
 
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