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(Opposing Views)   Zombie Industries, the makers of "bleeding" zombies and gun supplies have come up with a zombie named "Rocky" who is also called "Barocky," which is supposed to represent President Obama. Some people are going to have a problem with this   (opposingviews.com ) divider line
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2013-02-06 01:35:17 AM  
Yeah, that's pushing it.
 
2013-02-06 02:35:24 AM  
OK, that's pretty cool. I wish I were famous enough to have an exploding zombie target made in my image. I'd buy dozens.
 
2013-02-06 07:27:34 AM  
But a Zombie President Bush is totally cool.
 
2013-02-06 07:27:53 AM  
Bad idea. I occasionally see people shooting at paper targets with pictures of Obama or Hillary or whoever on them. I'm sure the Secret Service will not be amused.
 
2013-02-06 07:28:52 AM  
I'm sure the same people that were outraged about the severed W head on Game of Thrones will be up in arms over this. Respect the office and all that jazz.
 
2013-02-06 07:49:15 AM  
But.. but.. but... Bush!

Oh wait, that's already been whined about
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-06 08:16:28 AM  
Meh.  I've seen Halloween masks of every president as far back as I can remember.  Same thing.
 
2013-02-06 08:17:49 AM  
I've seen targets for sale that were actual photos of Obama, Bill and Hilary, Pelosi, etc. The guy wasn't amused when I asked him if they came in Reagan.
 
2013-02-06 08:27:01 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The guy wasn't amused when I asked him if they came in Reagan.


I'm sure he would if Reagan would let him.
 
2013-02-06 08:33:34 AM  

Sensei Can You See: Bad idea. I occasionally see people shooting at paper targets with pictures of Obama or Hillary or whoever on them. I'm sure the Secret Service will not be amused.


Meh.  First Amendment.  You can not like a president, and even burn or hang them in effigy and still be covered under the First Amendment protection of free speech.  Shooting at a target that looks like the president is no different that burning/hanging a president in effigy.  The SS might not be amused, but there isn't really anything they can do about it.

Slate article on whether it's legal to shoot at a representation of the president.

Bottom line:
Is it legal to take aim at a representation of the president?

Absolutely. The First Amendment protects the right to free expression, which includes the right to shoot, burn, or in any way destroy an image of anyone including the president as long you're not posing a "credible threat." The standard here is whether there is genuine intent to commit or incite violence, and also whether that violence is likely to actually occur.
 
2013-02-06 08:34:34 AM  

Mugato: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The guy wasn't amused when I asked him if they came in Reagan.

I'm sure he would if Reagan would let him.


Well, at this point, I don't think consent would be a problem.
 
2013-02-06 08:36:25 AM  

vpb: Meh.  I've seen Halloween masks of every president as far back as I can remember.  Same thing.


First Halloween costume I can remember having was George Washington.  'Course, this was back in the very early 1970's, in the run-up to the Bicentennial.
 
2013-02-06 08:38:21 AM  

vpb: Meh.  I've seen Halloween masks of every president as far back as I can remember.  Same thing.


Except that Halloween masks aren't manufactured to be shot at.

Or else I've REALLY misunderstood that holiday.
 
2013-02-06 08:44:49 AM  
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2013-02-06 08:45:05 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: vpb: Meh.  I've seen Halloween masks of every president as far back as I can remember.  Same thing.

Except that Halloween masks aren't manufactured to be shot at.

Or else I've REALLY misunderstood that holiday.


Regardless, we have a hallowed 200+ year history of doing things like hanging likenesses of the president in effigy.  Shooting at a likeness of the president, absent any other actions that might constitute a real threat, is protected speech.
 
2013-02-06 08:51:40 AM  
One solution - have him shoot back:

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2013-02-06 08:52:20 AM  
People who buy this and shoot it may be following the first amendment, but I think the Secret Service should go and investigate each one of them, thoroughly.  It may be a clue that they are a danger.
 
2013-02-06 08:53:04 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: But a Zombie President Bush is totally cool.


I did not approve of that either.
 
2013-02-06 08:53:34 AM  
What? Its an American tradition to make a mock up dummy of the President and use the dummy for target practice!
 
2013-02-06 08:54:56 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [i45.photobucket.com image 320x240]


The president is a Ni*FONG*?  All the more reason to protest him.
 
2013-02-06 09:00:38 AM  

rev. dave: People who buy this and shoot it may be following the first amendment, but I think the Secret Service should go and investigate each one of them, thoroughly.  It may be a clue that they are a danger.


They do that, relatively often, and the vast majority of the cases are closed with "No credible threat", because there is no actual physical threat to the president.

You don't want them investigating every little thing, though, because then it would have a "chilling effect" on free speech.  This seems remote enough (obviously a zombie target, only sort-of vaguely looks like Barack Obama, and it's one of several zombie targets in a regularly held match) that I doubt the SS would be interested in investigating.

Of course, it involves evil *GUNZ*, so I could be wrong.
 
2013-02-06 09:06:16 AM  

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: [i45.photobucket.com image 320x240]

The president is a Ni*FONG*?  All the more reason to protest him.


Is this a thread about protesting someone? I thought it was a thread about shooting an effigy. A racist effigy.

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2013-02-06 09:08:05 AM  
i find the representation of an actual figure less disturbing than the notion that you need to rev up 'hate' for the thing you're aiming at.
 
2013-02-06 09:10:10 AM  
It's farked up, but... ehhhhh. Don't care much. Do you really think there haven't been 2D versions of that (along with hippies, generic black people, generic brown people, possibly the Irish) sold in the creepiest corners of gun shows for years?
 
2013-02-06 09:10:14 AM  
Actually that target is old, been seeing it for over 3-4 years now at the local gun store I go to...

That said, every time I see it I shudder at the obvious racist aspect to it.
 
2013-02-06 09:10:27 AM  
I know the Secret Service likes to throw their weight around but it is a real stretch to see this as a threat and not political speech.  I don't care for how they are making this statement but so what.
 
2013-02-06 09:14:15 AM  

KellyX: Actually that target is old, been seeing it for over 3-4 years now at the local gun store I go to...

That said, every time I see it I shudder at the obvious racist aspect to it.


Like it or not, racist speech is protected speech.  That's a feature, not a bug.
 
2013-02-06 09:14:42 AM  
Conservative "humor" at its finest.
 
2013-02-06 09:15:04 AM  
Obama would be the most loved president in 100 years if he did exactly what he did as a white Republican. FACT.
 
2013-02-06 09:15:14 AM  

Bloody William: It's farked up, but... ehhhhh. Don't care much. Do you really think there haven't been 2D versions of that (along with hippies, generic black people, generic brown people, possibly the Irish) sold in the creepiest corners of gun shows for years?


Ask me about the Jane Fonda urinal stickers that were popular in the military when I was in.
 
2013-02-06 09:17:50 AM  
As a liberal, registered Democrat, and Obama supporter - you'll get over it. Stop being so sensitive. How many Bush face dartboards did you see 6 years ago?

It's not a big deal, it's not racist - they did it with both Clintons. People have used images of people they don't like as target practice for centuries.

How about you focus on the actually important issues and not something totally silly.
 
2013-02-06 09:20:04 AM  

dittybopper: KellyX: Actually that target is old, been seeing it for over 3-4 years now at the local gun store I go to...

That said, every time I see it I shudder at the obvious racist aspect to it.

Like it or not, racist speech is protected speech.  That's a feature, not a bug.


Why can't it be both?
 
2013-02-06 09:20:09 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: But a Zombie President Bush is totally cool.


I remember when the rightwingnuts went apeshiat over a Bush-like mannequin's head in a 1 second scene in Game of Thrones...
 
2013-02-06 09:20:38 AM  
Yeah. I have a problem with that. I'm not a fan of harming someone in effigy.

Although it does make me want to make a Barack Obama scarecrow to keep right wingers away from my house. I just don't know how to do it without it looking like he's being lynched. Maybe just a statue or standing cutout instead of a full on hanging scarecrow.
 
2013-02-06 09:20:44 AM  

dittybopper: Sensei Can You See: Bad idea. I occasionally see people shooting at paper targets with pictures of Obama or Hillary or whoever on them. I'm sure the Secret Service will not be amused.

Meh.  First Amendment.  You can not like a president, and even burn or hang them in effigy and still be covered under the First Amendment protection of free speech.  Shooting at a target that looks like the president is no different that burning/hanging a president in effigy.  The SS might not be amused, but there isn't really anything they can do about it.

Slate article on whether it's legal to shoot at a representation of the president.

Bottom line:
Is it legal to take aim at a representation of the president?

Absolutely. The First Amendment protects the right to free expression, which includes the right to shoot, burn, or in any way destroy an image of anyone including the president as long you're not posing a "credible threat." The standard here is whether there is genuine intent to commit or incite violence, and also whether that violence is likely to actually occur.


Have you ever shot at a target that was a visual representation of a specific person?
 
2013-02-06 09:22:12 AM  
Whatever on the effigy thing. But the kind of people who play with guns like toys with all sorts of props are often douchebags, it's the same kind of person that rides an atv in the woods for fun. No skill or exercise involved in either and it's trashy and obnoxious. But hey, that's just my opinion...
 
2013-02-06 09:22:28 AM  

misantropo: OtherLittleGuy: But a Zombie President Bush is totally cool.

I remember when the rightwingnuts went apeshiat over a Bush-like mannequin's head in a 1 second scene in Game of Thrones...


First - it was silly to go nuts then, just as it is now.

Second, it was an actual Bush head - I believe they ordered bulk props and one of the grab-bag heads they got was a Bush II one.
 
2013-02-06 09:22:38 AM  
To be fair they should produce a line of similar products featuring more of the leadership in Washington and the talking heads on TV.

Ughh.... That thing is crappy. At least it's only $90. Although I think a Rush Limbaugh model would have to sell for at least three times as much due to extra material.
 
2013-02-06 09:23:41 AM  

dittybopper: Bloody William: It's farked up, but... ehhhhh. Don't care much. Do you really think there haven't been 2D versions of that (along with hippies, generic black people, generic brown people, possibly the Irish) sold in the creepiest corners of gun shows for years?

Ask me about the Jane Fonda urinal stickers that were popular in the military when I was in.


So what about the Jane Fonda stickers that were popular in the millitary when you were in?
 
2013-02-06 09:24:02 AM  

Granny_Panties: Obama would be the most loved president in 100 years if he did exactly what he did as a white Republican. FACT.


No, Democrats would be going absolutely ape shiat.
 
2013-02-06 09:26:03 AM  
I can understand the frustration from gun owners. It must suck going bankrupt after stocking up on every weapon available at the gun show, convinced that the gub'mint is gonna git yer gunz, only to discover there will be no changes to gun laws whatsoever, and you're left with a lifetime supply of post-apocalyptic freeze-dried TV dinners, an autographed Glenn Beck holster cozy, and a bunch of expensive lethal toys.

Hope it was worth putting up the double wide for sale, Cletus. Here, take your impotent rage out on this foam dummy while you shriek, "Thanks, Obama!"
 
2013-02-06 09:27:57 AM  
Questioning obvious lies as a justification to invade Iraq: Why do you hate America.
Creaming your pants from shooting a mock-up Obama doll: Patriotic
 
2013-02-06 09:28:43 AM  
According to the conservatives I know, I'm the libbiest lib to ever lib and I worship at the feet of Obummer, and even I think this is a complete non-issue. It's a freaking target people. There is so much in this world to be upset about, don't waste your time and energy worrying about piddly little crap like this.
 
2013-02-06 09:29:09 AM  

Ned Stark: Granny_Panties: Obama would be the most loved president in 100 years if he did exactly what he did as a white Republican. FACT.

No, Democrats would be going absolutely ape shiat.


Lots of Democrats liked Reagan. See his victory in 1984. This is a Republican problem. Republicans hate Obama because he's a black Democrat. It's really that simple. Obama is to the right of St. Reagan on most issues. FACT.
 
2013-02-06 09:29:53 AM  

dittybopper: rev. dave: People who buy this and shoot it may be following the first amendment, but I think the Secret Service should go and investigate each one of them, thoroughly.  It may be a clue that they are a danger.

They do that, relatively often, and the vast majority of the cases are closed with "No credible threat", because there is no actual physical threat to the president.

You don't want them investigating every little thing, though, because then it would have a "chilling effect" on free speech.  This seems remote enough (obviously a zombie target, only sort-of vaguely looks like Barack Obama, and it's one of several zombie targets in a regularly held match) that I doubt the SS would be interested in investigating.

Of course, it involves evil *GUNZ*, so I could be wrong.


Buying targets that look like the president, your name goes on the list.  Then go out and buy loads of ammo, two tons of fertilizer, several dozen magazines, a samurai sword and body armor and I'm sorry but we're going to have to ask you a few questions.

You know what has a chilling effect on free speech?  Corralling people into free speech zones, pepper spraying students demonstrating on their own campus, and firing gas canisters into people's faces because they are protesting.

Asking you a few questions about the presidential effigy you like to shoot at isn't really... chilling.  Of course it involves fun GUNZ! ZOMG!  so I could be wrong.
 
2013-02-06 09:30:49 AM  
Hmmm I wonder if shooting at this target would fit the justification of having a drone strike called on you?
 
2013-02-06 09:32:33 AM  
Wow, it looks just like him.
...if, you know, Obama was green and nude and a zombie.

/fun fact: you can paint it white and say you're shooting at Bush!
 
2013-02-06 09:33:40 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: But.. but.. but... Bush!

Oh wait, that's already been whined about


Seriously.  It's time for some diapers to get changed.
 
2013-02-06 09:34:05 AM  
No issue, it's a gun target.

Expensive though, I wouldn't be able to afford shooting these on a regular basis.
 
2013-02-06 09:35:22 AM  
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This stuff is still ok though?
 
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