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(Jezebel)   The best advice some people will never learn: "If women keep responding to you like you're some weirdo creeper, then chances are that you're acting like a weirdo creeper"   (jezebel.com) divider line 635
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2013-02-06 02:53:21 AM

Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"


You know what you look like to me, with your clever quote and your cheap profile? You look like a liter. A well scrubbed, hustling liter with a little taste. Good education's given you some length of post, but you're not more than one generation from poor AOL trash, are you, Yogimus? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure Silicon Valley. What is your father, dear? Is he a LAN admin? Does he stink of exhaust fan? You know how quickly the boys found you... all that tedious sticky cybering in yahoo chatrooms... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to F.A.R.K.
 
2013-02-06 02:54:12 AM
Too many are grasping here.  Women are like dog turds, the older they get, the easier they are to pick up.
 
2013-02-06 02:54:57 AM

Tommy Moo: On the off chance that she brings it up, just say something flippant like "I wanted to see if your hands were cold," and then change the subject.


That, my friend, is extremely creepy.
 
2013-02-06 02:56:28 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-02-06 02:56:53 AM

miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...


Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.
 
2013-02-06 02:57:23 AM
Not long ago I saw an attractive woman start to chat up a bus driver in order to escape the creepish dude who'd just tried to do the same to her.  After his initial surprise (he hadn't seen or heard the first exchange), you could sense the driver knew an opportunity when he saw one and was giving it his best shot.  My stop came soon after so didn't see how it played out, but when I got off he'd already made her laugh twice and she'd even squeezed his shoulder.

Moral:  it is possible to score on public transit as a direct result of others' failure to do so.  Going to the gym regularly is probably still a good idea also.
 
2013-02-06 02:57:54 AM

miss diminutive: You know what you look like to me, with your clever quote and your cheap profile? You look like a liter.


As opposed to a sucker who pays for a forum account?
 
2013-02-06 02:59:11 AM

Coelacanth Filet: miss diminutive: You know what you look like to me, with your clever quote and your cheap profile? You look like a liter.

As opposed to a sucker who pays for a forum account?


Leave her alone, it's the only place in her life that she can assert any type of supremacy.
 
2013-02-06 02:59:20 AM

Tommy Moo: Don't even talk about the fact that you're doing it. Do it in the middle of a happy story about something, briefly, then let it go. If she leaves her hand there, she likes you. If not, it really isn't that weird of a thing for a friend to do, as long as you just keep talking. On the off chance that she brings it up, just say something flippant like "I wanted to see if your hands were cold," and then change the subject.



This is why roller coasters and scary movies were invented.
 
2013-02-06 02:59:27 AM

Coelacanth Filet: ciberido: [imgs.xkcd.com image 540x931]
There's an xkcd for everything.  It's like rule 34, only with less nudity.

/Though then again, maybe EVERYBODY in xkcd is nude.

Xkcd completely whiffed on understanding the art of the neg in that strip. A neg isn't a blatant insult, that would be pickup suicide. It's a statement that can be interpreted several different ways - the intent is to keep the girl thinking "What did he mean by that?"

PUA is social nihilism, sure, but it works. Hate the game, not the player, etc.


True.  The woman isn't negging the man.  It would be a different, possibly better, strip if she did.

And I'm quite capable of hating both the game AND the players, I assure you.
 
2013-02-06 02:59:45 AM

browntimmy: That is good advice. But on the flip side, how about making the mating signal something a little more overt than "playing with hair" or "facing him with her whole body". Recently there was a girl I really liked who was naturally a very friendly and outgoing person to everyone, so the mental games of "Was that playful shove flirting or friendly? etc." drove me nuts.


That's one of the Satanic commandments/rules.  A practical bit of relationship advice, encoded in a religion? Inconceivable!  But you're right.  It's hard to gauge someone's interest, and much easier to misinterpret subtle signals.  I play with my hair a lot, because I'm a nervous/fidgety type when talking to people.  I'd feel bad if I've been giving a wrong impression the whole time.

As for your friend, she's flirting, but doing it for attention, not because of interest.  If you see her doing that to others, then there's the proof.
 
2013-02-06 03:00:14 AM

Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...

Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.


You see a lot, Yogimus. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.
 
2013-02-06 03:02:40 AM

miss diminutive: Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...

Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.

You see a lot, Yogimus. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.


I am a divorced sociopath that gets more pleasure out of masturbation than a long term relationship. I treat people as replaceable drones, and only have 2 or 3 people I can talk to.  I numb the emptiness in me with alcohol, and take more pleasure than I should in the shortcomings of others. In this, I feel no guilt.  I am also an UNCANNY user and manipulator of people, and I know you.  I know you VERY well.
 
2013-02-06 03:05:25 AM

miss diminutive: browntimmy: That is good advice. But on the flip side, how about making the mating signal something a little more overt than "playing with hair" or "facing him with her whole body". Recently there was a girl I really liked who was naturally a very friendly and outgoing person to everyone, so the mental games of "Was that playful shove flirting or friendly? etc." drove me nuts.

Chances are she knows it drives men nuts and loves that fact.


It's really fun when every woman gets classified as a frigid biotch, a pricktease, or a slut.  It would be nice if you would allow for more options.
 
2013-02-06 03:05:55 AM
The thing that gets me the most about the guys that complain about the "friend zone" is that they think women owe them something. Protip: if you think you deserve something for being a nice guy, you're not a nice guy.
 
2013-02-06 03:07:49 AM

ciberido: miss diminutive: browntimmy: That is good advice. But on the flip side, how about making the mating signal something a little more overt than "playing with hair" or "facing him with her whole body". Recently there was a girl I really liked who was naturally a very friendly and outgoing person to everyone, so the mental games of "Was that playful shove flirting or friendly? etc." drove me nuts.

Chances are she knows it drives men nuts and loves that fact.

It's really fun when every woman gets classified as a frigid biotch, a pricktease, or a slut.  It would be nice if you would allow for more options.


There are as many options as there are women.  Also, and this is very important here, the terms you stated are used by women more than men.
 
2013-02-06 03:08:06 AM

Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...

Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.

You see a lot, Yogimus. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

I am a divorced sociopath that gets more pleasure out of masturbation than a long term relationship. I treat people as replaceable drones, and only have 2 or 3 people I can talk to.  I numb the emptiness in me with alcohol, and take more pleasure than I should in the shortcomings of others. In this, I feel no guilt.  I am also an UNCANNY user and manipulator of people, and I know you.  I know you VERY well.


Well enough to know when I'm quoting Silence of the Lambs in response to your original Silence of the Lambs quote?
 
2013-02-06 03:09:37 AM
Yogimus: I AM SO HARDCORE
 
2013-02-06 03:09:58 AM
I don't listen to hip hop.
 
2013-02-06 03:13:25 AM
"Granted, approaching someone on the street is tricky. Chances are that you'll be shot down, so be prepared for that "

yeah, right, I am ME.  I havent been shot down on the street in 16 years.  I am apparently unshootdownable.

of course I've been married 16 years, but nonetheless...

I am always a bit wary of a woman giving guys advice about what works to pick them up.  Guys tend to know what works better than women do.  What women dont get is that if you reject a man, he doesent CARE if you think he is creepy.   Most (not all) women would lay down rules for guys that would be in stark contrast to the way they were approached by the love of their life.  "dont approach if she is looking at her phone."  Seriously?  I fall in love at first sight with a girl and I am supposed to not at least acknowledge her existance?    If you offend them or scare them, sure, get the hell away, but ... you never know unless you approach them.
 
2013-02-06 03:17:28 AM
Oh I get the creepy thing. Actually I don't quite get it. At this point it's mostly amusing because I'm already married so it doesn't matter. Apparently my wife & mom are the only two women who DON'T find me creepy.

I'm introverted so it's not like I'm out there chatting women up making them uncomfortable, but I'm not a stare-at-the-ground weirdo either. But I'll be darned if women at the grocery store don't turn around or cross into another aisle when they see me approach.

Twice I helped in my kids' classes when they needed volunteer "moms". No matter which side of the room I was on, the moms went to the opposite side. The kids seemed to like me though so that was cool.

My wife & I laugh about it when she has to reassure me I'm not a creep. I'm not fat, average looks, look younger than my age so, ehhhh. Kinda strange.
 
2013-02-06 03:23:03 AM

HotWingAgenda: Tommy Moo: On the off chance that she brings it up, just say something flippant like "I wanted to see if your hands were cold," and then change the subject.

That, my friend, is extremely creepy.


No it isn't. It might read that way, but trust me, it plays fine when you're just having a casual conversation. It's a testing the water move. What's creepy is standing there awkwardly after two hours of not touching her and then suddenly leaning in for a kiss. Watch her recoil and turn her cheek to you! When you slowly escalate the physical contact, stopping at each step to gauge her reaction, you never, ever end up with a huge, awkward gaffe like that. Keep it light. Keep it happy. If you ever feel like she didn't like something you did, back it up.

I've dated dozens of the most beautiful women in my city. I'm clearly doing something right, brother.
 
2013-02-06 03:25:55 AM

Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...

Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.

You see a lot, Yogimus. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

I am a divorced sociopath that gets more pleasure out of masturbation than a long term relationship. I treat people as replaceable drones, and only have 2 or 3 people I can talk to.  I numb the emptiness in me with alcohol, and take more pleasure than I should in the shortcomings of others. In this, I feel no guilt.  I am also an UNCANNY user and manipulator of people, and I know you.  I know you VERY well.


What the fark is going on with you two? Is this some kind of running gag?
 
2013-02-06 03:28:02 AM

BSABSVR: I'd think that "be polite and don't invade people's space" would be complete no-brainer advice.  Then I remember there's a thread just below where people don't understand that dog shiat on the porch isn't a stand your ground situation.


i'll repeat: I'm glad the dog is okay.
 
2013-02-06 03:28:18 AM

Tommy Moo: Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...

Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.

You see a lot, Yogimus. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

I am a divorced sociopath that gets more pleasure out of masturbation than a long term relationship. I treat people as replaceable drones, and only have 2 or 3 people I can talk to.  I numb the emptiness in me with alcohol, and take more pleasure than I should in the shortcomings of others. In this, I feel no guilt.  I am also an UNCANNY user and manipulator of people, and I know you.  I know you VERY well.

What the fark is going on with you two? Is this some kind of running gag?


He's puttin' the make on her and she's acting coy.
 
2013-02-06 03:29:46 AM
I'm chargin up my laser.

/
and by laser I mean penis
//and by charging up I mean I am trying to maintain an erection long enough to photograph.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:07 AM

I sound fat: I am always a bit wary of a woman giving guys advice about what works to pick them up. Guys tend to know what works better than women do. What women dont get is that if you reject a man, he doesent CARE if you think he is creepy. Most (not all) women would lay down rules for guys that would be in stark contrast to the way they were approached by the love of their life. "dont approach if she is looking at her phone." Seriously? I fall in love at first sight with a girl and I am supposed to not at least acknowledge her existance? If you offend them or scare them, sure, get the hell away, but ... you never know unless you approach them.


The guy upthread had it right. These articles aren't written with the goal of coaching the author's future boyfriends into how to approach and win her over. They are written because the author and her friends are constantly approached by an endless barrage of boring beta males, the kind of guys who read farking Jezebel articles are are likely to be swayed and discouraged from ever approaching them again. They want to get the losers out of the way so their attention is cleared up for the alpha males who don't give a fark what anyone thinks about how and when they should approach because they are going to do it whenever they damn well feel like it.
 
2013-02-06 03:31:29 AM
Legalized prostitution would solve stupid matters like this.
 
2013-02-06 03:34:55 AM

Tommy Moo: I've dated dozens of the most beautiful women in my city.


Wow.
 
2013-02-06 03:35:13 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Legalized prostitution would solve stupid matters like this.


And probably create several others.
 
2013-02-06 03:36:49 AM

Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: miss diminutive: Yogimus: Throw jizz in her face and yell: "I CAN SMELL YOUR CUNNNT!"

You know what you look like to me...

Oh you poor sweetie, you must think you're still attractive enough for that to matter.

You see a lot, Yogimus. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

I am a divorced sociopath that gets more pleasure out of masturbation than a long term relationship. I treat people as replaceable drones, and only have 2 or 3 people I can talk to.  I numb the emptiness in me with power, and take more pleasure than I should in the shortcomings of others. In this, I feel no guilt.  I am also an UNCANNY user and manipulator of people, and I know you.  I know you VERY well.


cdn.inquisitr.com
 
2013-02-06 03:39:00 AM

LDM90: FirstNationalBastard: Legalized prostitution would solve stupid matters like this.

And probably create several others.


Eh, the only way to solve problems between men and women entirely would to be total segregation of the sexes and breeding genetic donation.

/Krypton didn't seem like too bad of a place.
 
2013-02-06 03:45:17 AM

Bathysphere: rynthetyn: Bathysphere: As someone who works retail, I am getting a kick out of this thread. We are like sitting ducks for creeper men, especially since we are forced to act as friendly as possible and weirdos misinterperet that.

Oh yeah, I'd get middle aged men flirting with me. It was especially creepy because I looked like I was in high school until several years after I was out of college.

I have a super high voice and it only gets higher the more nervous I am. Seriously, creditors have declined to talk with me because. I, "sound like a child". Weird stuff.
Also it's nice that other people put up with thus shiate.


The one thing I have going for me is that I'm 5'9" and have been since middle school. I learned pretty quickly when I was 12 or 13 that it's a different power dynamic if you take full advantage of your height. It's a lot less intimidating dealing with men who are significantly older than you when you can look them directly in they eye.
 
2013-02-06 03:45:37 AM

Tommy Moo: I sound fat: I am always a bit wary of a woman giving guys advice about what works to pick them up. Guys tend to know what works better than women do. What women dont get is that if you reject a man, he doesent CARE if you think he is creepy. Most (not all) women would lay down rules for guys that would be in stark contrast to the way they were approached by the love of their life. "dont approach if she is looking at her phone." Seriously? I fall in love at first sight with a girl and I am supposed to not at least acknowledge her existance? If you offend them or scare them, sure, get the hell away, but ... you never know unless you approach them.

The guy upthread had it right. These articles aren't written with the goal of coaching the author's future boyfriends into how to approach and win her over. They are written because the author and her friends are constantly approached by an endless barrage of boring beta males, the kind of guys who read farking Jezebel articles are are likely to be swayed and discouraged from ever approaching them again. They want to get the losers out of the way so their attention is cleared up for the alpha males who don't give a fark what anyone thinks about how and when they should approach because they are going to do it whenever they damn well feel like it.


Yea, this is a PUA take on this and it's wholly innaccurate. This piece was written by a woman who's tired of being made to feel uncomfortable all the time. It was helpful hints for how not to make a woman feel threatened or like she has to be on her guard.

If you're not someone who enjoys making women feel uncomfortable, these are good tips. If you are, a good therapist might be in order.
 
2013-02-06 03:58:33 AM
assets.diylol.com
 
2013-02-06 03:59:39 AM
"I've got a dick and a knife. One of these is going in you."

/girlfriend HATES that joke
//still the funniest creeper line I've heard
 
2013-02-06 04:05:07 AM

phalamir: AccuJack: If you think being seen as a "creeper" is bad, try being repeatedly friend zoned shortly after "hello".

Rejection is bad, being perceived as ruining a potential great friendship by wanting to actually *date* when that's what you had in mind from the start is really, really hard.

Seriously, I'm going to start acting like more of an asshole if it'll at least keep me from looking like someone who'd be a "really good friend".

Well there's your problem.  Quit acting like it is a competition or unlocking an achievement,  If you are talking to women just to get your rocks off, it will be nothing but frustration.  Approach interactions with women as trying to form friendships just like you would with men.  There is nothing stopping you from wanting to fark them, but you just need to accept that most are not going to fark you.  And don't treat the friendships as dependent on the farking.  You will increase your friends, get a much better sense of what women want, and eventually one or more will fark you.


So, any idea on how many I can expect to become friends with before I find one interested in me?  I have problems recognizing social signals, so there may have been many I didn't see as interested.  Or wasn't sure enough to take a chance on.  That's probably the real issue.

CSB:  First date, nice girl.  We were feeding each other and chatting over dinner.  Walked out to the car, she leaned back against the door casually and smiled.  I carefully reached down to her hip so I could open the door she was leaning against like a gentleman.

/she pretty much had to hit me over the head with it.
//Which she did, later. :)
 
2013-02-06 04:06:00 AM
Nothing's more awkward than when you've already agreed on price and she sees you take out a Discover card.
 
2013-02-06 04:06:29 AM

Genevieve Marie: Bathysphere: As someone who works retail, I am getting a kick out of this thread. We are like sitting ducks for creeper men, especially since we are forced to act as friendly as possible and weirdos misinterperet that.

I used to bartend. Same thing.


This and this. waited tables and worked retail it's is amazing the things some people do and say in those situations, not to mention the calls after they left while you're still working and you have no clue who they are cause you've just had 500 people go through you're restaurant.
 
2013-02-06 04:10:23 AM

Tavernknight: Seth'n'Spectrum: fusillade762: Complimenting shoes and eyeglasses are usually safe, in my experience.

That's all I got.

Some farker once said in a thread that the best way to get women to talk to you at a bar is to audibly mutter, "That dress with those shoes?" as they walk by.

/I have not tried this yet
//still working on the basic flirtation techniques

What worked for me was to go to the bar alone with a book. Sit at the bar and order a drink. Then completely ignore everything going on around you and read the book. They will come to you and ask about the book. Great ice breaker.


That would probably work with me ; )
 
2013-02-06 04:14:11 AM

Tommy Moo: .

I've dated dozens 26 of the most beautiful women in my city. I'm clearly doing something right, brother.

 
2013-02-06 04:14:32 AM

astoreth: Yep. Imagine a gal who has all of your interests and is a blast to hang out with, but you have no attraction to her. Zero. Zip.


Ok, so how do I ever find out that she has all of my interests and is a blast to hang out with, again?
 
2013-02-06 04:18:21 AM

AccuJack: phalamir: AccuJack: If you think being seen as a "creeper" is bad, try being repeatedly friend zoned shortly after "hello".

Rejection is bad, being perceived as ruining a potential great friendship by wanting to actually *date* when that's what you had in mind from the start is really, really hard.

Seriously, I'm going to start acting like more of an asshole if it'll at least keep me from looking like someone who'd be a "really good friend".

Well there's your problem.  Quit acting like it is a competition or unlocking an achievement,  If you are talking to women just to get your rocks off, it will be nothing but frustration.  Approach interactions with women as trying to form friendships just like you would with men.  There is nothing stopping you from wanting to fark them, but you just need to accept that most are not going to fark you.  And don't treat the friendships as dependent on the farking.  You will increase your friends, get a much better sense of what women want, and eventually one or more will fark you.

So, any idea on how many I can expect to become friends with before I find one interested in me?  I have problems recognizing social signals, so there may have been many I didn't see as interested.  Or wasn't sure enough to take a chance on.  That's probably the real issue.

CSB:  First date, nice girl.  We were feeding each other and chatting over dinner.  Walked out to the car, she leaned back against the door casually and smiled.  I carefully reached down to her hip so I could open the door she was leaning against like a gentleman.

/she pretty much had to hit me over the head with it.
//Which she did, later. :)


Please tell me "it" wasn't her penis...
 
2013-02-06 04:18:44 AM
Slightly off topic and I did not read the farking article because well Jezebel.....but from the comments I've read I thought I'd chime in...the way I was raised is to be polite to everyone, and to be friendly (not overly friendly) and it seems as though now (because of how people are nowadays) girls take anyone being friendly as flirting........that gets SUPER annoying.

/done venting
 
2013-02-06 04:19:08 AM

Genevieve Marie: Tommy Moo: I sound fat: I am always a bit wary of a woman giving guys advice about what works to pick them up. Guys tend to know what works better than women do. What women dont get is that if you reject a man, he doesent CARE if you think he is creepy. Most (not all) women would lay down rules for guys that would be in stark contrast to the way they were approached by the love of their life. "dont approach if she is looking at her phone." Seriously? I fall in love at first sight with a girl and I am supposed to not at least acknowledge her existance? If you offend them or scare them, sure, get the hell away, but ... you never know unless you approach them.

The guy upthread had it right. These articles aren't written with the goal of coaching the author's future boyfriends into how to approach and win her over. They are written because the author and her friends are constantly approached by an endless barrage of boring beta males, the kind of guys who read farking Jezebel articles are are likely to be swayed and discouraged from ever approaching them again. They want to get the losers out of the way so their attention is cleared up for the alpha males who don't give a fark what anyone thinks about how and when they should approach because they are going to do it whenever they damn well feel like it.

Yea, this is a PUA take on this and it's wholly innaccurate. This piece was written by a woman who's tired of being made to feel uncomfortable all the time. It was helpful hints for how not to make a woman feel threatened or like she has to be on her guard.

If you're not someone who enjoys making women feel uncomfortable, these are good tips. If you are, a good therapist might be in order.


Explain the 50 Shades of Grey phenomenon then. I stand behind my assessment. Anyway, life is constantly proving me right. Think what you will.
 
2013-02-06 04:20:33 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie
Tavernknight:

What worked for me was to go to the bar alone with a book. Sit at the bar and order a drink. Then completely ignore everything going on around you and read the book. They will come to you and ask about the book. Great ice breaker.

That would probably work with me ; )


The article clearly explains that the book is a signal that he wants to be left alone, you unrespectful creeperette!
 
2013-02-06 04:21:02 AM

untaken_name: astoreth: Yep. Imagine a gal who has all of your interests and is a blast to hang out with, but you have no attraction to her. Zero. Zip.

Ok, so how do I ever find out that she has all of my interests and is a blast to hang out with, again?



By treating her like a human being instead of a potential lay.
 
2013-02-06 04:23:18 AM

gunther_bumpass: untaken_name: astoreth: Yep. Imagine a gal who has all of your interests and is a blast to hang out with, but you have no attraction to her. Zero. Zip.

Ok, so how do I ever find out that she has all of my interests and is a blast to hang out with, again?


By treating her like a human being instead of a potential lay VICTIM.


FTFY
 
2013-02-06 04:28:02 AM
Yep, the whole 'Don't be unattractive' rule is true a lot of the time.  Women can deny it but I've seen it in action so many times.  I have a ridiculously good looking friend who can get away with anything and the women love the attention.  Yet a awkward, below average looking guy I know is called a creep just for talking to them for more than a few minutes.

As for reading cues from women, even when you start to figure it out, it's still damn hard.  Some girls can be super interested but give off no signs and some girls can look like they are well into a guy but they just happen to be really friendly and enjoy a flirt.  In short, the only thing I've found is to try and get a conversation going and if they don't give any obvious signs they want to leave, just ask them out.  I gave up trying to figure out if a girl was attracted to me or not years ago.

And yes, there are ways that guys can make themselves less creepy so I don't deny that it's more than just looks.  But looks play a big part of it.
 
2013-02-06 04:29:48 AM

The Voice of Doom: tinfoil-hat maggie
Tavernknight:

What worked for me was to go to the bar alone with a book. Sit at the bar and order a drink. Then completely ignore everything going on around you and read the book. They will come to you and ask about the book. Great ice breaker.

That would probably work with me ; )

The article clearly explains that the book is a signal that he wants to be left alone, you unrespectful creeperette!


I didn't say I would bother him while he was reading. : )
 
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