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Can't believe the headline didn't reference Gimps.

It's a Kansas City thing: you wouldn't understand

The more high tech East and West coasts have already upgraded to Amazon Prime.

FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

What in the high holy fark!? Who did they allow to write such a thing?

exick: What in the high holy fark!? Who did they allow to write such a thing?

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN *THAT*

My first thought upon reading the headline was "What manner of animal is that?"

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: doyner: Pure, unadulterated bullshiat.

exick: What in the high holy fark!? Who did they allow to write such a thing?

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN *THAT*

I know. How else are we going to prove to aliens we're intelligent?

doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

doyner: doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

Except that not all (read most) cicada don't have the large prime number gestation cycles. They live between 2-5 years, which while that can be prime, doesn't really fit that silly theory because their predators also have between 2-5 year life cycles.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to see primes influencing nature, but no matter how many articles i09 and Cracked write about a half baked theory, the fork doesn't come out clean.

doyner: doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

I think that's a pretty weak example, to be honest. It's interesting as conjecture, but I think it highly unlikely that over 2 million years cicadas found the sweet-spot, so to speak, of gestation amongst primes, as any sort of intrinsic example of the power of primes. I think any sufficiently large number of years would be enough to deter a predator from developing a dependency on them as feed. But I'm no expert, admittedly.

doglover: doyner: doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

Except that not all (read most) cicada don't have the large prime number gestation cycles. They live between 2-5 years, which while that can be prime, doesn't really fit that silly theory because their predators also have between 2-5 year life cycles.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to see primes influencing nature, but no matter how many articles i09 and Cracked write about a half baked theory, the fork doesn't come out clean.

By that argument, the fact that non-primes occur in nature means that natural occurrences of primes is irrelevant.

And i09 and Cracked are like Fark in this case; they're not the actual sources of the theory.

doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

I was about to take an arrow to the knee and a mersenne prime number saved me.

doyner: doglover: doyner: doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

Except that not all (read most) cicada don't have the large prime number gestation cycles. They live between 2-5 years, which while that can be prime, doesn't really fit that silly theory because their predators also have between 2-5 year life cycles.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to see primes influencing nature, but no matter how many articles i09 and Cracked write about a half baked theory, the fork doesn't come out clean.

By that argument, the fact that non-primes occur in nature means that natural occurrences of primes is irrelevant.

And i09 and Cracked are like Fark in this case; they're not the actual sources of the theory.

Not in all of nature, just in this one example you've offered. You said cicada, but it's not the case their gestations are actually prime. Certain members of the genus have prime lifespans, many more do not. QED cicada lifespans aren't prime.

Take, on the other hand, hexagons. Hexagons occur every-fuggin'-where.

doglover: Certain members of the genus have prime lifespans, many more do not.

Some insects are wingless, many more do.

So what?  The fact that primes are a minority in the natural order of things does not mean that their utility is absent in nature, or merely spurious.

doyner: doglover: Certain members of the genus have prime lifespans, many more do not.

Some insects are wingless, many more do.

So what?  The fact that primes are a minority in the natural order of things does not mean that their utility is absent in nature, or merely spurious.

But if they are in the minority in nature,
And mathematics is chiefly applied in modeling nature,
And there are signifigant ammounts of other mathematical concepts, like hexagons, found in nature,

Primes ARE of, hope you're sitting, little mathematical importance. We've established the original article's conjecture is correct, for the moment.

I wanna see more primes in action though, because I'm bored.

This is the Geek tab, so I feel like this needs to be referenced (without the annoying RIP meme):

Whoops, Fark ate my image-

I am pleased with you humans

doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

Primes are natural because they were conceived by the human brain which is a product of nature.

I hereby raise a motion to title this prime (the largest mersenne prime ever) as the "Obese Prime".

Equilibrist: It's a Kansas City thing: you wouldn't understand

St. Louis > Chicago > KCMO > Indy > KCK

and in general

MO > KS > IL

FTFA: The number -- 2 multiplied by itself 57,885,161 times, written mathematically as 257,885,161-1 -- is the first prime discovered in four years.

Dear Fox News,

Wut

Sincerely,
Math

I was wondering if the exponent would itself be prime, which I see from FTA that it is.
Glad to see I was on the right track, because I don't math well at all.

/Struggling with college Trig/Precalc ATM

exick: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

What in the high holy fark!? Who did they allow to write such a thing?

Hey, it's Fox News. We're lucky they didn't link Mersenne Prime's to numerology.

doglover: And mathematics is chiefly applied in modeling nature,

Some of us reject the assertion that whether or not something is mathematically important depends on whether it shows up in nature, or indeed has any role in applied mathematics. Something can be mathematically important from a pure mathematics perspective alone. And in that regard prime numbers are unquestionably important. They turn up everywhere in number theory, and in completely unexpected places in analytics such as their relationship to Riemann zeta function. The latter in turn turns up in applied statistics and quantum field theory, including explicitly in the Casimir effect, which we were discussing here on Fark just a couple of days ago. And back in pure mathematics, zeta functions played a crucial role in Andrew Wiles' proof of Fermat' Last Theorem.

But if you insist on direct practical uses, primes are of course critical to public key cryptography, and to pseudo-random number generators. If either you use the Internet to buy things or you play video games, there's a couple of important applications right there.

/You might as well argue that diamonds are not important in jewelry because they are "chiefly applied" in industrial cutting.

doglover: But if they are in the minority in nature,
And mathematics is chiefly applied in modeling nature,
And there are signifigant ammounts of other mathematical concepts, like hexagons, found in nature,

Primes ARE of, hope you're sitting, little mathematical importance. We've established the original article's conjecture is correct, for the moment.

I wanna see more primes in action though, because I'm bored.

So minority = unimportant.  Got it.

And the original article said "little mathematical importance."  You;re the one that pivoted to nature.  You said "name one," I did, you didn't even read my link, and then make the spurious argument about hexagons.  Claiming primes are important does not mean that they are more important than circles, squares, zero, pi, you name it.

But whatever.  Those goal posts ain't gonna move themselves.

doglover: Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

doglover: But if they are in the minority in nature,
And mathematics is chiefly applied in modeling nature,
And there are signifigant ammounts of other mathematical concepts, like hexagons, found in nature,

Primes ARE of, hope you're sitting, little mathematical importance. We've established the original article's conjecture is correct, for the moment.

I wanna see more primes in action though, because I'm bored.

This is probably going to boil into a argument over semantics and definitions but I'd saycryptography alone is already enough to be considered important. Anyone who has used a computer has almost certainly used them and if they are not aware of it. A method to easily generate/verify primes would have some of the most dramatic and direct implications onsecurity and military that mathematics can.

Nor do I see why you restrict it to just in "modelling nature" when the article talks about "mathematically important". Primes show up everywhere in mathematics and underpins some of the most fundamental concepts in math, such as number theory, so it mostdefinitely ismathematically important regardless of its direct applications. To dismiss it is like saying the lower blocks in a pillar is of littleimportance because the are not directly holding up the ceiling.

/ Also circles > hexagons

doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

3D printing. Like, 3 is prime, dude. MYTH BUSTED.

Damn. Fark swallowed so many of my spaces.

/ Going back to HTML Buttons

You can see an abbreviated version of the new prime number, or download all 17,425,170 digits in a massive, 22MB text file.

Or you can write it down in binary with 57,885,161 ones and then convert them to decimal by yourself.

1000Monkeys: Damn. Fark swallowed so many of my spaces.

/ Going back to HTML Buttons

Why do you think it's called "rich text"? Do you think it got rich just giving away spaces?

aaaaa...
its self and 1..
2 to the power of anything can be divided by 2
did the forget +-1 maybe?

oops found it

WTP 2: aaaaa...
its self and 1..
2 to the power of anything can be divided by 2
did the forget +-1 maybe?

Well spotted. Mersenne primes are of the form 2p-1, where p is a prime.

doglover: doyner: FTFA:  Prime numbers, which are divisible only by themselves and one, have little mathematical importance.

Not everyone's a cryptographer. Show me an application of primes in nature.

Well, if you like internet transactions, you should like prime numbers

My first girlfriend discovered the highest prime number then known in 1978, when she was 17.
/Genius is an aphrodisiac.

Mersenne prime? Is that some kind of monkey or something?

doglover: doyner: doglover: Certain members of the genus have prime lifespans, many more do not.

Some insects are wingless, many more do.

So what?  The fact that primes are a minority in the natural order of things does not mean that their utility is absent in nature, or merely spurious.

But if they are in the minority in nature,
And mathematics is chiefly applied in modeling nature,
And there are signifigant ammounts of other mathematical concepts, like hexagons, found in nature,

Primes ARE of, hope you're sitting, little mathematical importance. We've established the original article's conjecture is correct, for the moment.

Are you arguing that because Primes aren't found in nature, they're not important in mathematics?

Really?

Mersenne primes are old news. 2n-1? Boring. But let's take that superscript to the next level:

2n-1

Now that's an exciting prime! Let's plug in some numbers and see what we get. 21-1=1. Nonprime. 22-1=2. Prime! See, it works!

You fellows can work the details. I'm more of a big picture guy.

Rezurok: FTFA: The number -- 2 multiplied by itself 57,885,161 times, written mathematically as 257,885,161-1 -- is the first prime discovered in four years.

Dear Fox News,

Wut

Sincerely,
Math

Are you bemoaning the fact that they dropped off the "minus one" part, or are you not familiar with the concept of Mersenne Primes?

doglover: Primes ARE of, hope you're sitting, little mathematical importance. We've established the original article's conjecture is correct, for the moment.

Primes are important in all mathematics, because, in a sense, they form the basis of our entire number system. Any number can be decomposed into exactly one unique collection of primes, and any arbitrary collection of primes maps back to exactly one number. They're literally the building blocks of all other numbers, and the mathematical theorem that demonstrates this relationship is known as the "Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic." At least in math, people only throw around the word "fundamental" when shiat gets real.

Past that, they're just damn cool. Think of this: prime numbers (or rather, the property of being prime) is a fundamental characteristic of a number. A number is always prime, no matter how it's represented, no matter what universe it lives in, because the notion of primality is only dependent on there being counting numbers (i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on). Any culture that has advanced far enough to count things has also advanced far enough to understand prime numbers and the important role they play in all enumeration systems, and this shiat comes out of things like farmers wanting to know how many sheep they have.

If you were going to broadcast a message to the stars that said "there are intelligent beings here," the one message you would send would be prime numbers. If you send the message "2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19" any intelligent being in the universe would be capable of seeing that those are the first eight primes, and they would know that message could not be random.

I thought science was illegal in the midwest?

Arkanaut: Rezurok: FTFA: The number -- 2 multiplied by itself 57,885,161 times, written mathematically as 257,885,161-1 -- is the first prime discovered in four years.

Dear Fox News,

Wut

Sincerely,
Math

Are you bemoaning the fact that they dropped off the "minus one" part, or are you not familiar with the concept of Mersenne Primes?

Well, 2 raised to any power greater than one is never prime, by definition.  So dropping off the minus one part throughout the entire farking article, with one exception, is kind of a big mistake to make, in addition to the claim that it was the first prime discovered in 4 years.  The previous largest prime was discovered 4 years ago, perhaps, but that's a very different thing from what was said.

Largest prime in the world? I wasn't aware math could be categorized by world.

lordargent: I hereby raise a motion to title this prime (the largest mersenne prime ever) as the "Obese Prime".

So I expect that when the next big Mersenne prime is found (thanks to distributed computing, bigger and bigger Mersenne primes get found on average every six months to a year nowadays), we can term that the Fatty Boombaladdy Prime? :D

That number may be equal to or less than the number of hours it will be before that researcher gets laid.

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