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2013-02-05 03:52:39 PM

unyon: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

No, but if more than 500 kids a year were killed every year from toasters, you can be damned sure that there would be an outcry.


More the 500 kids a year are killed in car accidents. I'm not hearing an outcry.

Gun owners: Secure your damn weapons.
 
2013-02-05 03:53:04 PM
cdn.media.discovermagazine.com
 
2013-02-05 03:53:13 PM
He died doing what he loved - enjoying his Freedom™!
 
2013-02-05 03:53:32 PM

blahpers: TNel: You said you can judge someone's mental ability just by their name as per my quote of you.

To be fair, he said he could judge someone's mental ability based on what they decided to name their kid, not by their own name.


Yeah I did realize that afterwards but tomatoe tomato it's still the same. But the name screams non-white so that's good enough for him.
 
2013-02-05 03:53:46 PM

dittybopper: Rev.K: I will agree with the gun faction in this thread.

This is a negligence issue, not a gun control issue.

I've got a few questions.

First, the TFA says this:
A 3-year-old boy in Greenville, South Carolina was shot in the head and killed on Friday after he started playing with a pink handgun because he thought it was a toy.

Then later on it says this:
Police had not yet revealed who fired the weapon.

Sloppy reporting at best.


I'm guessing the seven year old.  Probably still an accident, but I think the older child likely fired the gun.
 
2013-02-05 03:53:56 PM

KrispyKritter: More than a gun issue this is a stupid parents/adult issue. People should have to pass strict tests before becoming parents or guardians. Children are precious and we let any and every moran bump uglies and reproduce at will. The rich and powerful that make the laws don't care how many die, they've used violence, death and suffering as a tool for as long as history is written.


Meh.  I want the government out of my bedroom, and out of my gun safe.
 
2013-02-05 03:53:56 PM

LesterB: ChipNASA: BUT IT'S SO CUTE!!! It Woudn't Hurt ANYTHING!!!
/owner nigligence.

Now THAT'S racist.

/love typos
//love love love

What typo??
/runs.
 
2013-02-05 03:53:59 PM
Are the constant gun threads sponsored links or does some modmin have a hardon for them?
 
2013-02-05 03:54:30 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Tragic, but the number of kids who accidently kill themselves playing with guns is tiny compared to the number who die in swimming pools every year.


So this means do don't pay attention things that kill people unless they are statistically the largest?  So only heart disease counts, got it.
 
2013-02-05 03:54:30 PM

TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?


"It's not the gun, it's the negligent parents."

Take equation, remove gun. Child lives. Or wait no... child then finds a fork and stick it in a toaster, because... reasons.
 
2013-02-05 03:54:34 PM
 
2013-02-05 03:54:46 PM

TwistedIvory: You're right. I think we should assign primacy to causes of preventable child death and ban the offending products/acts in order of danger.


The stupid is deep with this one. Newsflash: That is exactly the right thing to do. Address risks in order of the most common. Of course bans are not the only solution (and at the moment very few are proposing a handgun ban), but you sound like a moran to huffily suggest that looking at the most common causes of preventable death before the least common is somehow a bad idea.

"If you have guns, if you own guns mostly we would prefer you have them in a lock box," Greenville Police Media Relations Officer Jonathan Bragg. "At least have them out of the reach of children."
When you're dealing with morans responsible gun owners, stating the obvious is apparently necessary.
 
2013-02-05 03:55:12 PM

TNel: blahpers: TNel: You said you can judge someone's mental ability just by their name as per my quote of you.

To be fair, he said he could judge someone's mental ability based on what they decided to name their kid, not by their own name.

Yeah I did realize that afterwards but tomatoe tomato it's still the same. But the name screams non-white so that's good enough for him.


Oh, bless your heart.
 
2013-02-05 03:55:24 PM

Dixon Cider: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

When were toasters designed to kill?


www.bbc.co.uk
 
2013-02-05 03:56:05 PM
I thought that guns WERE toys.  Even the president is seen playing with one.   They are NOT meant for anything serious like defending yourself.
 
2013-02-05 03:56:11 PM

dahmers love zombie: Daddy would have gotten us Uzis.


...OK for date night in the barrio, but we need more firepower.
 
2013-02-05 03:56:40 PM
TwistedIvory
"All I've seen is that you opened up the thread with a tired one-liner that doesn't at all address the issue, and then you've followed up with ad hominem fallacies and insults. I'm all for having an actual dialogue. Until you're ready to engage in such, however, I'll leave you to your own fantasies and images of me as some Ted Nugent-revering, gun-waving redneck.


This
 
2013-02-05 03:56:41 PM

GAT_00: God Bless an America where this not only happens but is defended by gun owners.


Just the cost of doing business, apparently.
 
2013-02-05 03:57:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Tragic, but the number of kids who accidently kill themselves playing with guns is tiny compared to the number who die in swimming pools every year.

And?


In the context of the overall gun debate incidents like this shouldn't carry great weight. As a society we have a tolerance for acceptable risk for tragic accidents - hence why residential properties are allowed to have swimming pools, the risk of kids shooting themselves thinking a gun is a toy is well below the risk associated with a large number of other items or activities.
 
2013-02-05 03:57:20 PM

justtray: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

"It's not the gun, it's the negligent parents."

Take equation, remove gun. Child lives.


Remove negligent parent, child lives.
 
2013-02-05 03:57:42 PM

GAT_00: WTF Indeed: GAT_00: God Bless an America where this not only happens but is defended by gun owners.

For someone who spends all day talking about politics and public policy, you have zero idea about how either of them work.

Oh yes, I forgot. The right to firearms trumps everything else, including the right to live.


Right to vote?  Or the right to participate in an election?  I'd like to see where you have the "right to vote."  I mean if you have a right to vote, you'd get a vote for the president, right?  Nope.

"The "right to vote" is not explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution except in the above referenced amendments, and only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the "right to vote" for other reasons."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States">htt p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States
 
2013-02-05 03:57:43 PM

hdhale: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Except that stories like this used to happen back in the days when people kept a loaded musket by the door.  Nice try, troll.


Oh yeah... death by musket was all the rage!! That is why is so predominate in our history...
Wait, you have a citation for this, correct?
 
2013-02-05 03:57:58 PM
Here's my idea. You kept to keep your guns as the law was written and intended....I'm pretty sure your law was never designed to keep fully automatic rifles and large caliber multishot handguns.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-05 03:58:17 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: HotWingConspiracy: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Tragic, but the number of kids who accidently kill themselves playing with guns is tiny compared to the number who die in swimming pools every year.

And?

In the context of the overall gun debate incidents like this shouldn't carry great weight. As a society we have a tolerance for acceptable risk for tragic accidents - hence why residential properties are allowed to have swimming pools, the risk of kids shooting themselves thinking a gun is a toy is well below the risk associated with a large number of other items or activities.


This assumes the only consideration is body count. It's not.
 
2013-02-05 03:58:29 PM
I think that we, unlike this kid, really dodged a bullet here. I mean that kid was the next Hitler, or maybe just republican.

/I'd like the kosher meal stewardess.
 
2013-02-05 03:59:07 PM
I'd like to see the mishandling of a firearm become a federal felony, with mishandling defined as allowing anyone beside the individual owner to retrieve the weapon.
 
2013-02-05 03:59:11 PM

GAT_00: Oh yes, I forgot. The right to firearms trumps everything else, including the right to live.


It's almost like if that gun had been properly locked up the kid would not have died. So a person caused that death, not the gun.
 
2013-02-05 03:59:11 PM

bradkanus: GAT_00: WTF Indeed: GAT_00: God Bless an America where this not only happens but is defended by gun owners.

For someone who spends all day talking about politics and public policy, you have zero idea about how either of them work.

Oh yes, I forgot. The right to firearms trumps everything else, including the right to live.

Right to vote?  Or the right to participate in an election?  I'd like to see where you have the "right to vote."  I mean if you have a right to vote, you'd get a vote for the president, right?  Nope.

"The "right to vote" is not explicitly stated in the U.S. Constitution except in the above referenced amendments, and only in reference to the fact that the franchise cannot be denied or abridged based solely on the aforementioned qualifications. In other words, the "right to vote" is perhaps better understood, in layman's terms, as only prohibiting certain forms of legal discrimination in establishing qualifications for suffrage. States may deny the "right to vote" for other reasons."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States">htt p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States


Nevermind - my bad you wrote "live" note "vote."  Regard, but disregard here.
 
2013-02-05 03:59:14 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: More the 500 kids a year are killed in car accidents. I'm not hearing an outcry.


What? Are you deaf? I couldn't even take my kid home from the hospital without having the child seat inspected. If a celebrity is caught driving with their kid in their lap it's headline news. There are safety fairs with police and firemen to talk about children and vehicle safety. MADD built the foundation of their righteous anger machine on the documented death of children.

Your statement is so stupid I'm starting to suspect this reply is going to earn a 'That's the Joke' prize...
 
2013-02-05 03:59:36 PM
Guns are like band saws, not toasters.

Band saws have a yellow line around them, big red on/off switches. Only one person in the circle at a time. But guns - the cavalier attitude many people have about them is really astounding. And they're a lot more dangerous than band saws.
 
2013-02-05 04:00:11 PM
OK, I'm feeling safe now.  Thanks, everyone.
 
2013-02-05 04:00:27 PM

indarwinsshadow: Here's my idea. You kept to keep your guns as the law was written and intended....I'm pretty sure your law was never designed to keep fully automatic rifles and large caliber multishot handguns.

[t0.gstatic.com image 309x163]


Pretty much they intended for the citizens to be armed with weapons comparable to the opposition (or if you are comparing long rifles to standard issue muskets, superior weapons).  And I'm sure they didn't think of telephones, radios, television, the internet, smart phones and so on when they wrote the First Amendment, either.  But, here we are.
 
2013-02-05 04:00:37 PM

Frank N Stein: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x379]


Yeah, that guy's a /k/ommando for sure.
 
2013-02-05 04:00:41 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: justtray: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

"It's not the gun, it's the negligent parents."

Take equation, remove gun. Child lives.

Remove negligent parent, child lives.


Removing the parents would still remove the weapon... yes?
 
2013-02-05 04:00:42 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: unyon: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

No, but if more than 500 kids a year were killed every year from toasters, you can be damned sure that there would be an outcry.

More the 500 kids a year are killed in car accidents. I'm not hearing an outcry.

Gun owners: Secure your damn weapons.


Actually, the number of kids under 12* who were killed in gun accidents in 2010 (last year of records for CDC) was 41.

Yes, it was only 41.

I chose 12 as the cut-off because that's a common age a youngster might get a hunting license, and I wanted to exclude hunting accidents, but even if I ran the number all the way up to 17 (18 being adults), the number is still only 98.

Yep.  Less than 100 per year.

For comparison, roughly the same number die in bicycle accidents (94).

Source:   CDC  WISQARS Fatal Injury Reports, National and Regional, 1999-2010
 
2013-02-05 04:00:48 PM
Only new gun control law we need is this....

Commit a crime with a gun? Death Penalty.
 
2013-02-05 04:01:11 PM
"In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspberry-pink handgun at a reporter. "Oh, it's so cute," Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun's laser pointer at the reporter's chest, adding that the firearm's lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry. "I just didn't have my hand on the trigger," she said. "

dumb biatch.

dublinopinion.com
 
2013-02-05 04:02:26 PM

generallyso: Are the constant gun threads sponsored links or does some modmin have a hardon for them?


Its because they still pull traffic.

Pretty much everyone I have favorites in worthy opponent blue is in them so if I want a decent argument, here I have to come.

I can only assume everyone else has the same problem. Its like an oversized prisoned delimma and we've all squealed.
 
2013-02-05 04:02:45 PM

vartian: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

A toaster actually does something useful. A gun simply endagers your entire family.


Yeah, but you are just quoting statistics - and this is Fark.com, where anecdotal stories, fantasy scenarios and flawed Aristotelian reasoning trump mere statical fact.
 
2013-02-05 04:03:59 PM
Man, i don't even have in it me to wild-pig-troll this thread. Got nothin'. I sure hope SOMEbody tried to drum it into grandma's head that a firearm is a lethal tool and not a farkin fashion accessory, but I doubt it. Maybe we should add advertising and marketing bans to the list, like they do with tobacco. Just reinforces my deeply, hateful prejudice against morons with weapons they do not respect or understand, like AR clones. This is the inside out version of tacticool and it cost a baby his life. fark this gay earth and fark you, morons with guns.
 
2013-02-05 04:04:17 PM
The only thing that stops an innocent child with a gun he or she mistakes for a toy is a good old fashioned spanking. Unless, of course, that kid shoots and kills him/herself... then well, they won't do that again.
 
2013-02-05 04:04:48 PM

JungleBoogie: Guns are like band saws, not toasters.

Band saws have a yellow line around them, big red on/off switches. Only one person in the circle at a time. But guns - the cavalier attitude many people have about them is really astounding. And they're a lot more dangerous than band saws.


When was the last time a band saw was used to kill someone at 1000 yards?
 
2013-02-05 04:04:57 PM
Get a manly weapon.

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2013-02-05 04:04:57 PM
Guns aren't supposed to be "cute."

Stop farking around. If you need a gun in a certain color, you don't nee a gun.

Also:

i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-05 04:05:32 PM
Sad?

No.

Preventable tragedy perpetuated solely because four million borderline psychopaths with god complexes want to continue living their paranoid Mad Max fantasies without any regard for the consequences or any responsibility for preventing them stops being sad after about the 200,000th victim.

Now it's just boring.
 
2013-02-05 04:05:35 PM
I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, people who can't be responsible don't deserve to own guns.

As all the gun nuts here will tell you ad-nauseum, the Supreme Court has ruled that the "well regulated" part of the 2nd Amendment is referring only to the hypothetical/potential militia and not to the regulation of the guns themselves or those who wish to own them.

Sorry, gun grabber.  A true patriot would know that dead 3 year olds are the price of freedom.
 
2013-02-05 04:06:17 PM

justtray: GAT_00: God Bless an America where this not only happens but is defended by gun owners.

Just the cost of doing business, apparently.


Pretty small cost.  The odds of it happening are almost a million to 1:  the actual rate of kids age 0 through 17 who die in gun accidents is 1.3 per million.  (98 out of a population of 78,181,467).  (Source:   http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html )

That's a remarkably low number for a nation with nearly as many guns as people.  We must be doing something right, the rare tragedy notwithstanding.
 
2013-02-05 04:06:18 PM

dittybopper: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: unyon: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

No, but if more than 500 kids a year were killed every year from toasters, you can be damned sure that there would be an outcry.

More the 500 kids a year are killed in car accidents. I'm not hearing an outcry.

Gun owners: Secure your damn weapons.

Actually, the number of kids under 12* who were killed in gun accidents in 2010 (last year of records for CDC) was 41.

Yes, it was only 41.

I chose 12 as the cut-off because that's a common age a youngster might get a hunting license, and I wanted to exclude hunting accidents, but even if I ran the number all the way up to 17 (18 being adults), the number is still only 98.

Yep.  Less than 100 per year.


How many of those were EASILY preventable by having the gun where the child couldn't get to it (on owner's person, or in a gun safe)?
 
2013-02-05 04:06:22 PM

dittybopper: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: unyon: TwistedIvory: Dixon Cider: More guns MUST be the answer... I keep seeing stories like this and it reaffirms that notion!!

Because of course this wasn't at all a case of negligence on the part of the parent. I mean, kids are killed by sticking forks into toasters but we don't ban electricity, do we?

No, but if more than 500 kids a year were killed every year from toasters, you can be damned sure that there would be an outcry.

More the 500 kids a year are killed in car accidents. I'm not hearing an outcry.

Gun owners: Secure your damn weapons.

Actually, the number of kids under 12* who were killed in gun accidents in 2010 (last year of records for CDC) was 41.

Yes, it was only 41.

I chose 12 as the cut-off because that's a common age a youngster might get a hunting license, and I wanted to exclude hunting accidents, but even if I ran the number all the way up to 17 (18 being adults), the number is still only 98.

Yep.  Less than 100 per year.

For comparison, roughly the same number die in bicycle accidents (94).

Source:   CDC  WISQARS Fatal Injury Reports, National and Regional, 1999-2010


And far more suffer non-fatal injuries due to bicycle accidents, than firearms accidents.
 
2013-02-05 04:06:40 PM

FlashHarry: vpb: the Supremes have decided that requiring trigger locks or gun safes violates the constitution.

wait, what now?

how the fark do locks and safes violate the constitution?


Locks and gun safes prevent you from being able to get quick access if needed, that's why they are not required.
 
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