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(New York Daily News)   Crazy-eyed grandma-of-the-year candidate throws 10 & 11 year old out into 23 degree weather at 4:30am   (nydailynews.com) divider line 40
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2013-02-05 04:11:27 PM  
4 votes:
If my 11 year old son was at a sleepover and, for ANY reason (even if the kids deserved it) he was no longer welcome then I full well expect to be called and told to come and collect him.

Throwing kids out in 23 degree weather is insane.  Yeah, they can walk home, probably safely.  But that is insane.  You don't do that.

Throwing kids out at 4:00am in the morning is insane.  Even if you are TOO UNHINGED to know the time.  You don't do that.

The woman compromised the health and safety of children in her care.  I'm sure the little shiats deserved to be yelled at.  But as an adult taking care of kids there are things you don't do.
2013-02-05 04:07:54 PM  
4 votes:
You throw a "sleep"over for 10-14 year old boys, and biatch because you couldn't get any sleep? What the hell did you think was going to happen??
2013-02-05 03:47:43 PM  
4 votes:
So she admits to kicking them out at 4:30 AM and being so incompetent by not being aware of the time?
2013-02-05 11:09:34 AM  
4 votes:
Or as they call it in Upstate New York, out to wait for the school bus
2013-02-05 05:57:45 PM  
2 votes:

Mimic_Octopus: no this is neo-american pussy attitide.  nobody is in danger walking a few doors  down to get home at night


First, there are almost certainly places and times in the United States where walking even a few blocks without proper preparation can be deadly. People can and have died of exposure trying to walk just a few blocks in blizzards.  Granted, that's not what happened here, but it's a long way from "nobody".  Tone back on the absolutism.

Second, this lady didn't know where the kids lived. She didn't know how cold it was outside. She didn't know if their parents were even home to let the kids in. How can I be so sure of this?   She didn't even know what time it was, and she didn't call their parents to let them know they were on their way home.

Finally, there's a chance that the kids aren't fully right in the head; it strikes me that every single person in this story appears to be the victim of a few generations of fetal alcohol syndrome.  Sending a developmentally delayed 11 year old out to wander around in the snow at 4 AM is never a good idea.
2013-02-05 05:50:19 PM  
2 votes:
Then there's the question of what constitutes "too much noise." My father was, and probably still is, a light sleeper; the odd thing was, he was half-deaf from having been in artillery but when he turned the lights out, he could hear a sparrow fart in the next county. I used to keep a bucket bedside so I wouldn't have to walk past his room to go to the bathroom at night, because if anything rousted him, you'd hear about it all day long. And God forbid you had anything fun planned for that day, because that would be your punishment. "Hope you weren't planning on going out for basketball/auditioning for the school play/going to the movies with your friends/buying that new video game/heading down to the community pool today." We NEVER had sleepovers.

Chances are, these kids were keeping each other up whispering and giggling and telling dirty jokes and the sort of crap kids get up to, without realizing that Granny was asleep on a bed of nails in the next room with one eye open.
2013-02-05 05:13:38 PM  
2 votes:

brigid_fitch: abfalter: If my 11 year old son was at a sleepover and, for ANY reason (even if the kids deserved it) he was no longer welcome then I full well expect to be called and told to come and collect him.

Throwing kids out in 23 degree weather is insane.  Yeah, they can walk home, probably safely.  But that is insane.  You don't do that.

Throwing kids out at 4:00am in the morning is insane.  Even if you are TOO UNHINGED to know the time.  You don't do that.

The woman compromised the health and safety of children in her care.  I'm sure the little shiats deserved to be yelled at.  But as an adult taking care of kids there are things you don't do.

No, she taught those kids a lesson on how to behave/listen to adults.  You don't pay attention to the rules, you don't pay attention to the owner of the house you're staying at, you get tossed out on your ass regardless of the time or weather.  End of story.

23 degrees for a few blocks won't kill them.  We've all been outside in weather like that, especially as kids.  And 4:30am isn't a big deal when the kids were already awake.  Not to mention, one of them lived in the same condo complex.  Wahhhhh---he had to walk a few doors down.  You even admit that they could walk home safely but somehow you still think that's insane.  Why?  Because you can think of a million what-ifs instead of being realistic?

The ONLY good point you bring up is that she should have called the parents to let them know they were on their way.  Not to come get them, that they were en route.


She was a senile old coont who had no idea what time it was. Children shouldn't be in her care if she can't read a farking clock.
2013-02-05 04:53:40 PM  
2 votes:
Nothing about this seems right.

10 and 11 sleeping over with a 14 yr old, unheard of when I was growing up.

Also, Parents of 10 and 11yr old letting them sleep over with a 14 yr old and the 71 year old Granny and not knowing her well enough that they called the cops instead of talking to her?

Everything about this is wrong.
2013-02-05 04:00:20 PM  
2 votes:
Sure she's probably a twat but jail? C'mon. Locking people up should only be to keep them from harming society further. This woman was not a threat nor a flight risk. Goddamned vengeance based justice system needs to f*ck the f*ck off.
2013-02-05 02:45:55 PM  
2 votes:
Is this the same 23 degrees that 10 and 11-year-old boys refuse to wear jackets in?
2013-02-05 10:18:19 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: The only greater danger of today is some jackass letting his inbred pitbull out for an unaccompanied "walk" as you're going by the house.  Those assholes ought to be burned alive when they do it to a kid.


CSS: I was pretty flinchy around dogs for a while because jackasses on my favorite bike route would leave their gates wiiide open with their dogs home when I was in my tweens. And it's Nevada, these aren't nice happy poodles. They're bred and trained to attack. I had to fend off dogs twice with my bike.

/Which, curiously enough, was how my mother and I discovered I tend to flip numbers in my head at farking random. Like, say, the number of the house involved while calling animal patrol.
//They figured it out, though.
2013-02-05 09:49:37 PM  
1 votes:

kmark: Kids are such wimps these days.

In all seriousness--my grandmother used to lock my brother and me out of the house because we were (and I quote)  "...air conditioning the whole damn neighborhood, what with going in and out, in and out, and how much money do you think [grandma has] anyway?"

We would get locked out in 100 degree weather (I'm from Texas, so I am not exaggerating), and when we'd complain about the heat or needing some water, she would yell out through the door, "hose works, don't it?"

We'd lie in the shade with the dogs all hosed down for hours.  True story.


Same here (from AZ). Except we would make sure to be come well acquainted with those who had pools, shade, or A/C.
2013-02-05 09:14:34 PM  
1 votes:
I'm thinking perhaps Granny isn't mentally competent enough to be looking after somebody else's kids.
2013-02-05 07:32:06 PM  
1 votes:

DubtodaIll: Mr.Hawk: DubtodaIll: This is not a criminal act.

Child endangerment pretty much is.

Sure, if it's reckless, negligent or malicious.  This was none of those things.


Another proud graduate of the Skinnyhead GED Internet Law School.
2013-02-05 07:30:20 PM  
1 votes:

jst3p: Mimic_Octopus: jst3p: Mimic_Octopus: abfalter: If my 11 year old son was at a sleepover and, for ANY reason (even if the kids deserved it) he was no longer welcome then I full well expect to be called and told to come and collect him.

Throwing kids out in 23 degree weather is insane.  Yeah, they can walk home, probably safely.  But that is insane.  You don't do that.

Throwing kids out at 4:00am in the morning is insane.  Even if you are TOO UNHINGED to know the time.  You don't do that.

The woman compromised the health and safety of children in her care.  I'm sure the little shiats deserved to be yelled at.  But as an adult taking care of kids there are things you don't do.

you are a freaking pussy.  we used to camp out in tents by the flood canals in the middle of the city and run around neighborhoods all night at that age.

Sorry about your shiatty parents.

  23 is not too cold to walk a few doors down and go home, these punks all live in the same complex.  the time is irrelevant.

TFA says at least one of them did, my google-fu does not reveal much more information but I bet the parent who called the police didn't live there.

i didnt have shiatty parents.   they did not force religion on us, taught us question everybody and everything, never to ask for anything we could do ourselves,  twice as much study as play  etc. etc.  as a result i was a self sufficient engineer by 22.  nice try though

If you were running around the middle of the city at all night at 11 years old, you had shiatty parents.


Not in my town. I was riding my bicycle home from my friend's house and ran into my stepdad leaving someone else's house at about that time of morning. He was not happy that I asked him why (he was leaving another friends house - a friend who lived with his single mother). He was a shiatty parent, but my Mom was aces. And where I grew up, we were always out running around. And I had a paper route so was up at 4am on Sundays to make bicycle deliveries to over 100 houses.

A lot of the perspectives from this thread are all about where and when you grew up. I never see kids riding or walking around the city outside of school hours. But when I go back to where I grew up? All the time.
2013-02-05 06:42:06 PM  
1 votes:

Mangoose: So here's a story. There was a snow storm up in North Dakota, so real snow - not like an inch and done, but droves of it. And my great uncle (grand-uncle?) decided to lock my grandmother out on the porch. She's out there banging on the door, crying and making a general riot. So, eventually her father, who was a minister, comes down the stairs to see what is going on. I don't know the amount of time that passed. He opened the door to find my grandmother shivering on the porch. He reeled on my grand-uncle and demanded to know what was going on. To which, he responded, "I was teaching her the virtue of patience"


Oh, I've seen that one before. Didn't she jump in the window, open the front door and deposit him on the porch, leaving him yelling for his beloved Wilma?

The fact that he didn't just jump in the window himself did always leave me questioning his mental faculty, however.

Maybe he had a cultural proscription against entering properties via windows. Or possibly a vampire.
2013-02-05 05:40:21 PM  
1 votes:

Mimic_Octopus: jst3p: Mimic_Octopus: abfalter: If my 11 year old son was at a sleepover and, for ANY reason (even if the kids deserved it) he was no longer welcome then I full well expect to be called and told to come and collect him.

Throwing kids out in 23 degree weather is insane.  Yeah, they can walk home, probably safely.  But that is insane.  You don't do that.

Throwing kids out at 4:00am in the morning is insane.  Even if you are TOO UNHINGED to know the time.  You don't do that.

The woman compromised the health and safety of children in her care.  I'm sure the little shiats deserved to be yelled at.  But as an adult taking care of kids there are things you don't do.

you are a freaking pussy.  we used to camp out in tents by the flood canals in the middle of the city and run around neighborhoods all night at that age.

Sorry about your shiatty parents.

  23 is not too cold to walk a few doors down and go home, these punks all live in the same complex.  the time is irrelevant.

TFA says at least one of them did, my google-fu does not reveal much more information but I bet the parent who called the police didn't live there.

i didnt have shiatty parents.   they did not force religion on us, taught us question everybody and everything, never to ask for anything we could do ourselves,  twice as much study as play  etc. etc.  as a result i was a self sufficient engineer by 22.  nice try though


If you were running around the middle of the city at all night at 11 years old, you had shiatty parents.
2013-02-05 05:34:24 PM  
1 votes:

jst3p: Mimic_Octopus: abfalter: If my 11 year old son was at a sleepover and, for ANY reason (even if the kids deserved it) he was no longer welcome then I full well expect to be called and told to come and collect him.

Throwing kids out in 23 degree weather is insane.  Yeah, they can walk home, probably safely.  But that is insane.  You don't do that.

Throwing kids out at 4:00am in the morning is insane.  Even if you are TOO UNHINGED to know the time.  You don't do that.

The woman compromised the health and safety of children in her care.  I'm sure the little shiats deserved to be yelled at.  But as an adult taking care of kids there are things you don't do.

you are a freaking pussy.  we used to camp out in tents by the flood canals in the middle of the city and run around neighborhoods all night at that age.

Sorry about your shiatty parents.

  23 is not too cold to walk a few doors down and go home, these punks all live in the same complex.  the time is irrelevant.

TFA says at least one of them did, my google-fu does not reveal much more information but I bet the parent who called the police didn't live there.


i didnt have shiatty parents.   they did not force religion on us, taught us question everybody and everything, never to ask for anything we could do ourselves,  twice as much study as play  etc. etc.  as a result i was a self sufficient engineer by 22.  nice try though
2013-02-05 05:34:19 PM  
1 votes:
"MY Mom went "Old Testament on us always, when we were growing up. Maybe that's why we're so damaged now.
2013-02-05 05:06:00 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, should have called their folks at 4:30 am and said, "come get your brats."  Throwing kids outside in the winter is not such a good idea.

Also, 23 degrees isn't too cold in Wyoming, if the humidity is low.  If humidity is high, it is damn cold, especially with wind.
2013-02-05 05:04:18 PM  
1 votes:
"Or can't we face-to-face, and talk to one another? Can't we talk to one another?"

So the kid had to walk 100 yards back home in the cold? Big Deal. My issue is the 4:30 in the morning part. 10 & 11 is too young to be put out like that. If she wanted the kids to get a "what fer", call the parents at that hour and tell them to pick the animals up. Either the parents beat the snot out of the kids or they all call the old lady a crazy old bat.
2013-02-05 05:04:12 PM  
1 votes:

Mimic_Octopus: abfalter: If my 11 year old son was at a sleepover and, for ANY reason (even if the kids deserved it) he was no longer welcome then I full well expect to be called and told to come and collect him.

Throwing kids out in 23 degree weather is insane.  Yeah, they can walk home, probably safely.  But that is insane.  You don't do that.

Throwing kids out at 4:00am in the morning is insane.  Even if you are TOO UNHINGED to know the time.  You don't do that.

The woman compromised the health and safety of children in her care.  I'm sure the little shiats deserved to be yelled at.  But as an adult taking care of kids there are things you don't do.

you are a freaking pussy.  we used to camp out in tents by the flood canals in the middle of the city and run around neighborhoods all night at that age.


Sorry about your shiatty parents.

  23 is not too cold to walk a few doors down and go home, these punks all live in the same complex.  the time is irrelevant.

TFA says at least one of them did, my google-fu does not reveal much more information but I bet the parent who called the police didn't live there.
2013-02-05 04:39:59 PM  
1 votes:
Also?  If I was SO bad at someone else's house that they threw me out, I would have never DARED tell my mother.

She would have knocked the crap out of me, and then berated me for embarrassing her, and then some more slapping, wash, rinse, repeat for about an hour, and then I'd be grounded for like a week, and I'd have to apologize to the person who had to throw me out.  And, my mother made me do the explicit apologies, a la "I am so sorry that I was loud and annoying after you asked me three times nicely to stop.  And, I am sorry that I talked back to you when all you were trying to do was get me to behave, and I am sorry that you were forced to throw me out because I refused to obey you, and blah blah blah."
2013-02-05 04:19:08 PM  
1 votes:
Kids are such wimps these days. 

In all seriousness--my grandmother used to lock my brother and me out of the house because we were (and I quote)  "...air conditioning the whole damn neighborhood, what with going in and out, in and out, and how much money do you think [grandma has] anyway?"

We would get locked out in 100 degree weather (I'm from Texas, so I am not exaggerating), and when we'd complain about the heat or needing some water, she would yell out through the door, "hose works, don't it?"

We'd lie in the shade with the dogs all hosed down for hours.  True story.
2013-02-05 04:16:10 PM  
1 votes:
Grandma?  You're supposed to be dead!

I was raised by my grandparents.  My grandmother shut off the power in the middle of winter with temperatures about what the article desribed.  She guarded the circuit breaker with a shotgun.  Apparently she was angry that I came home from work at 11:30 (I was 22 and just got out of college) and hopped on the computer.  It ended up with me calling the cops on her to get her to stand down.

Note: My grandfather was bedridden at the time.  I wouldn't have given a damn otherwise.
2013-02-05 04:07:30 PM  
1 votes:
My mom used to lock my sister out of the house like that.

Freezing cold outside.

Damn, I had a sick childhood.
2013-02-05 04:04:44 PM  
1 votes:
Meh. When I was six, my mom locked me and my sister out of the house while we were in our pajamas. It was the middle of an Alaskan winter, probably around 40o - 50o below. Luckily our dad figured out where we were before we froze to death. Her excuse was "That's how the native Alaskans used to punish their children." To this day, I'm not sure whether or not that's true.

/good ol' crazy mom.
2013-02-05 04:04:07 PM  
1 votes:
FTA -- "The grandmother griped that she felt like a common criminal after she was cuffed.

Sorry, Mom Mom, they don't separate you into common and uncommon until they determine if your crime involved multiple dead bodies and numerous body parts strewn about.

Instead of ringing up police, Aiello said through tears, the boy's mom should have called her first.
"Is this how you want to be treated?" Aiello told NBC Connecticut. "Or can't we face-to-face, and talk to one another? Can't we talk to one another?"


Unfortunately, she didn't try that whole "talking face-to-face" thing when she decided not to call the raucous twosome's parents to tell them to come and pick them up.
2013-02-05 04:03:58 PM  
1 votes:

sloshed_again: Why are they awake creating a roucous at 4:30 AM


Because granny didn't take a belt to their asses.
2013-02-05 04:02:22 PM  
1 votes:

DubtodaIll: This is not a criminal act.


Child endangerment pretty much is.

2013-02-05 04:01:48 PM  
1 votes:
Why are they awake creating a roucous at 4:30 AM
2013-02-05 03:59:50 PM  
1 votes:
What? Did they not have coats and hats? I was out before the sun rose in the winter many times. Usually waiting for the damned school bus. You know the bus driver I'm talking about. She gets there sometime between 6:00 and 6:30 and she only stops if you are down by the curb (and sometimes she doesn't see you anyway and just blows on by). And it doesn't matter if the wind chill is -15F or if it's raining or hailing. You have to be down by that curb for as long as it takes. And I'm not talking about the city or the suburbs where you have buildings to block the wind. I lived out in the country with flat open fields for miles and miles and the wind never stops blowing.

I was damned happy to get a drivers' license.
2013-02-05 03:54:33 PM  
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: I called that walking to middle school when I grew up in North Jersey.


Yep pretty much.  It could get -20 / -30ish some mornings for my mile or so walk to school during the winter.  I wore a light jacket, blue jeans, t-shirt and a pair of high-tops.
2013-02-05 03:53:05 PM  
1 votes:

The grandmother griped that she felt like a common criminal after she was cuffed.


I'm sure she looked, sounded, and smelled like one, too.
2013-02-05 03:50:22 PM  
1 votes:
The grandmother griped that she felt like a common criminal after she was cuffed.

I need someone to start playing a microscopic violin, STAT!
2013-02-05 03:14:17 PM  
1 votes:
Best sleepover ever!  Better than a haunted house.
2013-02-05 02:29:04 PM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: Luxury.


we lived in shoe-box in middle of road!
2013-02-05 01:49:38 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: What was a 14-year-old doing hanging out with 10 and 11-year-olds anyway?


That's what I was wondering.
2013-02-05 12:39:01 PM  
1 votes:
What was a 14-year-old doing hanging out with 10 and 11-year-olds anyway?
2013-02-05 11:43:58 AM  
1 votes:
So here's a story. There was a snow storm up in North Dakota, so real snow - not like an inch and done, but droves of it. And my great uncle (grand-uncle?) decided to lock my grandmother out on the porch. She's out there banging on the door, crying and making a general riot. So, eventually her father, who was a minister, comes down the stairs to see what is going on. I don't know the amount of time that passed. He opened the door to find my grandmother shivering on the porch. He reeled on my grand-uncle and demanded to know what was going on. To which, he responded, "I was teaching her the virtue of patience"
 
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