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2013-02-05 11:58:09 AM
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2013-02-05 11:59:58 AM
Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.
 
2013-02-05 12:04:03 PM

IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.


And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.
 
2013-02-05 12:09:27 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.


Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.
 
2013-02-05 12:12:14 PM

Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.


This, its amazing how dependent the defense can be on one guy.  But short of disastrous injuries, there's no doubt in my mind that the Niners will be in the playoffs next year.
 
2013-02-05 12:14:04 PM
Next year, they'll make derogatory comments towards gays AND asians
 
2013-02-05 12:14:14 PM

AntonChigger: Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.

This, its amazing how dependent the defense can be on one guy.  But short of disastrous injuries, there's no doubt in my mind that the Niners will be in the playoffs next year.


It's also amazing how much one guy can sink your defense, too.  I'm not even sure Flacco was throwing to his receivers half the time, especially on all those 3rd-and-long, under pressure miracle throws.  I think he just threw at Chris Culliver and had faith someone would be there.
 
2013-02-05 12:14:43 PM
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2013-02-05 12:24:43 PM

Dafatone: AntonChigger: Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.

This, its amazing how dependent the defense can be on one guy.  But short of disastrous injuries, there's no doubt in my mind that the Niners will be in the playoffs next year.

It's also amazing how much one guy can sink your defense, too.  I'm not even sure Flacco was throwing to his receivers half the time, especially on all those 3rd-and-long, under pressure miracle throws.  I think he just threw at Chris Culliver and had faith someone would be there.


This too, and as a Niners fan I'm not even butthurt we lost to the Ravens.  Flacco earned his ring, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-02-05 12:25:18 PM

Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.


their defense was the never the same after Smith was injured, even when it happened against the Pats it was like night and day - straight from one of the tougher defenses in the league to straight hot garbage in one game, and that hot garbage defense looks like it stayed the same all the way through the super bowl too which was really surprising and it forced the offense into scoring mode way too early to compensate
 
2013-02-05 12:28:13 PM

Dafatone: Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.


Which is what us Seahawks fans think about Chris Clemons' injury. Thanks, sh*tty turf of FedEx field!
 
2013-02-05 12:29:36 PM

Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.


Yeah, but he's a 33 year old lineman. He's due to start slowing down anyways, even if his arm heals properly. The D line needs to figure out a way to play without him being as dominant as we're used to him being. Same thing's true for Frank Gore, which is worrying for the offence.
Still, they're overall a pretty young team. I'd say they're clearly better than the Rams and Cards. It's basically a coin-toss with the Seahawks. That has to be the best rivalry in football next season, in the best overall division. If I had to bet, I'd say Seahawks ride an easier schedule to win the division but the 9ers manage a wildcard spot.
/9ers fan
 
2013-02-05 12:30:44 PM
BA-ZING!!!!
 
2013-02-05 12:31:52 PM

IAmRight: And the Cardinals are a competent QB offense away from being pretty damn good, too.


Yes, I know they have a receiver, but a running game would help as well.
 
2013-02-05 12:34:14 PM
Rams will be way better next year. Their defense is gooood.  Great coach as well.
Cards will get a QB, and they have Fitz. 'nuff said.
And my Seahawks will be ready to stomp the Niners again.

All that said...can't wait till next year.
 
2013-02-05 12:37:38 PM

neon_god: Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.

Yeah, but he's a 33 year old lineman. He's due to start slowing down anyways, even if his arm heals properly. The D line needs to figure out a way to play without him being as dominant as we're used to him being. Same thing's true for Frank Gore, which is worrying for the offence.
Still, they're overall a pretty young team. I'd say they're clearly better than the Rams and Cards. It's basically a coin-toss with the Seahawks. That has to be the best rivalry in football next season, in the best overall division. If I had to bet, I'd say Seahawks ride an easier schedule to win the division but the 9ers manage a wildcard spot.
/9ers fan


I think Kendall Hunter will be able to pick up the slack as Gore declines. Unfortuantely, I can't say the same for anyone regarding Justin Smith. They need to find an impact DL in the draft.
 
2013-02-05 12:39:32 PM

skrame: Yes, I know they have a receiver, but a running game would help as well.


Eh, lots of teams can play pretty well without a RB (and having a passer worth a damn will make things easier for the RB). They were at least semi-competent with Kolb.

/what they actually need is an offensive line, but I can't really evaluate those, and it's hard to tell who is awful and who is awful just because they're used improperly or used around other awful players
 
2013-02-05 12:41:20 PM

IAmRight: skrame: Yes, I know they have a receiver, but a running game would help as well.

Eh, lots of teams can play pretty well without a RB (and having a passer worth a damn will make things easier for the RB). They were at least semi-competent with Kolb.

/what they actually need is an offensive line, but I can't really evaluate those, and it's hard to tell who is awful and who is awful just because they're used improperly or used around other awful players


You don't need a great RB, as the rest of your team can make an okay RB play well.  You do need some semblance of a running game, which, like you said, requires an offensive line (and a QB/passing game for balance, too).

Basically, the Cardinals need to replace the 10 guys that aren't Fitzgerald.
 
2013-02-05 12:41:51 PM

IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.


I agree about Seattle and SF, but not so convinced about the Rams or Cards.  The Rams front office and Jeff Fisher don't necessarily strike fear in my heart: Janoris Jenkins was overrated, and for every good play he made, he was out of position in a woeful way for several others.  Can he be coached out of that?  Maybe, but let's not pretend that drafting Jenkins was an exercise in brilliance.  As for the Cards, they not only need a QB, they also need a RB, an OLine, and a linebacking corps, as well as one or two defensive linemen.  They may improve with better coaching and a desire to stick with the QB for more than one game, but there's no way they can be competitive.  I envision a 1-7 or 0-8 record for them in the West.  They may steal one or two from the Rams, but I don't think they can take a game away from the 49ers or Seattle.

Still, Seattle has what?  10 picks in this draft?  I can't wait for Carroll and Schneider to work their magic.  They have had drafts of pure gold for the past few years.
 
2013-02-05 12:43:26 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.


Oh, come on.  If the Seachickens continue to look as good next year as they looked at the end of the season, then I think the Niners will have a real fight on their hands in winning the division, and it could go either way.  But barring some kind of collapse, whichever of those two teams doesn't win the division is going to make the playoffs as a wild card.   Book it, done.
 
2013-02-05 12:47:53 PM
One of the good barometers to figure out if a person knows anything about football is if they say SF "didn't show up in the first half..."

The 49ers played OK in the first half, They were moving the ball well, just three really bad mistakes, the opening drive penalty, the Ray Rice Fumble, and the interception killed them. But I never felt the 49ers' were out of the game in the first half, the breaks were going against them.
 
2013-02-05 12:49:16 PM

Dafatone: Basically, the Cardinals need to replace the 10 guys that aren't Fitzgerald.


Again, I'll point out that the Cardinals did start the season 4-0 with wins over Seattle and New England (in New England). With Kolb in there, they were a decent team, better than pretty much anyone else's cellar-dwellers. And it's not like Kolb is really very good. He's just decent.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: They may steal one or two from the Rams, but I don't think they can take a game away from the 49ers or Seattle.


Yeah, that's what I thought this year. Then they beat Seattle in Week 1 and kept it close for a while against San Francisco at the end of the season to give Seattle a hope of winning the division before saying "haha f*ck you!"

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The Rams front office and Jeff Fisher don't necessarily strike fear in my heart:


You realize that they went 4-1-1 in the division, right, with the one loss being that narrow loss in Seattle? I'd love to be dismissive of them, but they're a pretty solid team. I wouldn't say that they're good enough to win the division, but they're good enough to cost NFC West teams high seeds (and possibly playoff spots) and again, they're getting two first-rounders every year.
 
2013-02-05 12:50:52 PM

Komplex: the Ray Rice Fumble, and the interception killed them.


Well, the INT didn't really do anything except cost them time. Also, that's the LaMichael James fumble. The Ray Rice fumble was to Baltimore's detriment and it occurred in the second half.

/I was hoping after the first half that the Ravens would kill the 49ers with Akers being the only reliable player for the 49ers; that would've been hilarious after the season both had
 
2013-02-05 12:51:07 PM

SuperChuck: neon_god: Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.

Yeah, but he's a 33 year old lineman. He's due to start slowing down anyways, even if his arm heals properly. The D line needs to figure out a way to play without him being as dominant as we're used to him being. Same thing's true for Frank Gore, which is worrying for the offence.
Still, they're overall a pretty young team. I'd say they're clearly better than the Rams and Cards. It's basically a coin-toss with the Seahawks. That has to be the best rivalry in football next season, in the best overall division. If I had to bet, I'd say Seahawks ride an easier schedule to win the division but the 9ers manage a wildcard spot.
/9ers fan

I think Kendall Hunter will be able to pick up the slack as Gore declines. Unfortuantely, I can't say the same for anyone regarding Justin Smith. They need to find an impact DL in the draft.


I hope you're right, although I think Gore's under-rated. It'll be hard to replace him. and I agree about Justin Smith. You don't get hall of fame guys like him every day. Otoh, this tricep injury is the first time he's missed games in his career. He's freakishly durable, so maybe he has a couple more quality years left
 
2013-02-05 01:02:47 PM
SF's core is getting older. Crabtree and Kaep are still young, but Willis, Smith, etc. are aging. They need help in the secondary too. They need to get an every-down back to replace Gore pretty soon. Maybe with a 2nd-rounder they get for Smith.
 
2013-02-05 01:06:13 PM

neon_god: SuperChuck: neon_god: Dafatone: ShadowLAnCeR: IAmRight: Here's the problem - they got good just as the NFC West decided it wanted to get its act together. Seahawks are just as good as they are and the Rams might get there, especially considering they have a couple first-rounders every year for the next few years. And the Cardinals are a competent QB away from being pretty damn good, too.

And this is why I think my Niners will be hard pressed to make the Playoffs next year.

Could easily be the best division in football, but I think the Niners have the edge.  Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.

Yeah, but he's a 33 year old lineman. He's due to start slowing down anyways, even if his arm heals properly. The D line needs to figure out a way to play without him being as dominant as we're used to him being. Same thing's true for Frank Gore, which is worrying for the offence.
Still, they're overall a pretty young team. I'd say they're clearly better than the Rams and Cards. It's basically a coin-toss with the Seahawks. That has to be the best rivalry in football next season, in the best overall division. If I had to bet, I'd say Seahawks ride an easier schedule to win the division but the 9ers manage a wildcard spot.
/9ers fan

I think Kendall Hunter will be able to pick up the slack as Gore declines. Unfortuantely, I can't say the same for anyone regarding Justin Smith. They need to find an impact DL in the draft.

I hope you're right, although I think Gore's under-rated. It'll be hard to replace him. and I agree about Justin Smith. You don't get hall of fame guys like him every day. Otoh, this tricep injury is the first time he's missed games in his career. He's freakishly durable, so maybe he has a couple more quality years left


Not to mention, without Justin Smith playing well, Aldon Smith became mediocre at best. Zero sacks in his last 6 games, IIRC.
 
2013-02-05 01:10:28 PM
seumasokelly:Not to mention, without Justin Smith playing well, Aldon Smith became mediocre at best. Zero sacks in his last 6 games, IIRC.

It was pretty bad. He's still a second year guy, though. He'll hopefully grow as a player. It'd be nice to see him get better at things other than the pass rush.
 
2013-02-05 01:11:46 PM

seumasokelly: SF's core is getting older. Crabtree and Kaep are still young, but Willis, Smith, etc. are aging. They need help in the secondary too. They need to get an every-down back to replace Gore pretty soon. Maybe with a 2nd-rounder they get for Smith.


Willis is 28. He's got a while to go before there's any decline. I think Hunter will be that every down back. What they need is some youth on the DL and someone to replace Whitner.
 
2013-02-05 01:15:07 PM

neon_god: seumasokelly:Not to mention, without Justin Smith playing well, Aldon Smith became mediocre at best. Zero sacks in his last 6 games, IIRC.

It was pretty bad. He's still a second year guy, though. He'll hopefully grow as a player. It'd be nice to see him get better at things other than the pass rush.


I think he plays the run pretty well and he's improving at pass defense. And he had a good game against Atlanta causing pressure. He just didn't get home for a sack. He could stand to improve but I think the big problem wasn't that he's not good enough without Justin smith. He just took too long to adjust to playing without him. He'll get better at that too
 
2013-02-05 01:18:51 PM
Russel Wilson>Kapernick

Seattle Seahawks > SF

Seriously, you may have gotten lucky at home against us, but we all know that if Tate wouldnt have dropped that ball we would have beat you at home.
Second, 42-13 at Seattle.

This was SF's year, because Seattle is on the Rise, and hell I think even the Rams will be better than the 49rs
 
2013-02-05 01:26:48 PM

IAmRight: Dafatone: Their defense kinda sucked in the postseason, which has a lot to do with Justin Smith's injury.

Which is what us Seahawks fans think about Chris Clemons' injury. Thanks, sh*tty turf of FedEx field!



Yeah, no kidding, We hold on 30 seconds in Atlanta we would have beaten SF or GB and easily beaten Baltimore. But hey, thats why they play the game. SF did a good job getting to the Super bowl. I think Kap is going to be a decent QB but as long as Russel Wilson is healthy and playing well Kap doesnt even matter.

Plus 10 draft picks this year. Pete Carroll and John Schnieder are masters of evaluating talent. We need one solid pass rusher, one O lineman and a solid receiver. I'm very satisfied with the secondary though Browner didnt finish the season on a strong note.

SEAHAWKS 2014 ..........hopefully :)
 
2013-02-05 01:28:35 PM

mentallo69: Russel Wilson>Kapernick

Seattle Seahawks > SF

Seriously, you may have gotten lucky at home against us, but we all know that if Tate wouldnt have dropped that ball we would have beat you at home.
Second, 42-13 at Seattle.

This was SF's year, because Seattle is on the Rise, and hell I think even the Rams will be better than the 49rs


Wrong, wrong and wrong. One team won in Atlanta to go to the super bowl. The other team choked and lost. I'll let you figure out which was which.
 
2013-02-05 01:34:49 PM

mentallo69: We hold on 30 seconds in Atlanta


What sucked was being somewhat excited about the comeback, but realizing as soon as he scored with 30+ seconds to go "f*ck, we're going to lose."

Such is the life of a Seahawks fan.
 
2013-02-05 01:35:39 PM

SuperChuck: Wrong, wrong and wrong. One team won in Atlanta to go to the super bowl. The other team choked and lost. I'll let you figure out which was which.


In fairness, we weren't aware that it was perfectly legal to hold Atlanta's WRs all over the field and it wouldn't be called. Had we known that, we might have held on to our lead, too.
 
2013-02-05 01:37:51 PM

SuperChuck: mentallo69: Russel Wilson>Kapernick

Seattle Seahawks > SF

Seriously, you may have gotten lucky at home against us, but we all know that if Tate wouldnt have dropped that ball we would have beat you at home.
Second, 42-13 at Seattle.

This was SF's year, because Seattle is on the Rise, and hell I think even the Rams will be better than the 49rs

Wrong, wrong and wrong. One team won in Atlanta to go to the super bowl. The other team choked and lost. I'll let you figure out which was which.

Umm, yeah duh. Like I said we didnt blow it in last 30 seconds. I dont think anyone said the Hawks didnt blow it in Atlanta.
but no way you tell me Colin Kapernick is better than Russel Wilson. No way! One can actually throw accurate and hit receivers and the other..........well your seeing that arent you.

Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.

 
2013-02-05 01:44:34 PM

mentallo69: Plus 10 draft picks this year.


you have 8. The 49ers have 11:  http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013-nfl-draft/2013/2/5/3954534/2013-nfl - draft-nfc-west-49ers-seahawks-rams-cardinals

Plus, you think Kaepernick doesn't matter if Wilson's on? Kaepernick threw for 35 more yards a game once he was starting, and rushed for more yards in 10 starts than Wilson did in 18.
 
2013-02-05 01:46:36 PM

mentallo69: SuperChuck: mentallo69: Russel Wilson>Kapernick

Seattle Seahawks > SF

Seriously, you may have gotten lucky at home against us, but we all know that if Tate wouldnt have dropped that ball we would have beat you at home.
Second, 42-13 at Seattle.

This was SF's year, because Seattle is on the Rise, and hell I think even the Rams will be better than the 49rs

Wrong, wrong and wrong. One team won in Atlanta to go to the super bowl. The other team choked and lost. I'll let you figure out which was which.

Umm, yeah duh. Like I said we didnt blow it in last 30 seconds. I dont think anyone said the Hawks didnt blow it in Atlanta.
but no way you tell me Colin Kapernick is better than Russel Wilson. No way! One can actually throw accurate and hit receivers and the other..........well your seeing that arent you.

Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.


LOL. That's funny! Kaepernick's accuracy is very good. The only holes I see in his game right now are getting the play off on time and handling pressure in his face. Which I'll admit Wilson handles much better. But to say Kaepernick didn't play well in the super bowl is just silly
 
2013-02-05 01:47:07 PM

mentallo69: Wrong, wrong and wrong. One team won in Atlanta to go to the super bowl. The other team choked and lost. I'll let you figure out which was which.

Umm, yeah duh. Like I said we didnt blow it in last 30 seconds. I dont think anyone said the Hawks didnt blow it in Atlanta.
but no way you tell me Colin Kapernick is better than Russel Wilson. No way! One can actually throw accurate and hit receivers and the other..........well your seeing that arent you.

Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.


Not sure if serious, or just stupid
 
2013-02-05 01:49:51 PM

mentallo69: Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.


We watched the same superbowl, right? The one where Kaepernick threw for 300 yards and ran for 60 more?
 
2013-02-05 01:49:58 PM

mentallo69: Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.


You are a fairly unintelligent person, aren't you?
 
2013-02-05 01:53:09 PM

IAmRight: Dafatone: Basically, the Cardinals need to replace the 10 guys that aren't Fitzgerald.

Again, I'll point out that the Cardinals did start the season 4-0 with wins over Seattle and New England (in New England). With Kolb in there, they were a decent team, better than pretty much anyone else's cellar-dwellers. And it's not like Kolb is really very good. He's just decent.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: They may steal one or two from the Rams, but I don't think they can take a game away from the 49ers or Seattle.

Yeah, that's what I thought this year. Then they beat Seattle in Week 1 and kept it close for a while against San Francisco at the end of the season to give Seattle a hope of winning the division before saying "haha f*ck you!"

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The Rams front office and Jeff Fisher don't necessarily strike fear in my heart:

You realize that they went 4-1-1 in the division, right, with the one loss being that narrow loss in Seattle? I'd love to be dismissive of them, but they're a pretty solid team. I wouldn't say that they're good enough to win the division, but they're good enough to cost NFC West teams high seeds (and possibly playoff spots) and again, they're getting two first-rounders every year.


The Cards did indeed go 4-0 at the start of the season, but none of the victories were particularly awe-inspiring, and they came against teams that were handicapped in some way: the Pats' defense was godawful, Russell Wilson was playing with a VERY limited playbook (Play 1: hand off the ball, Play 2: hand off the ball, Play 3: short slant route) and still almost won.  The Dolphins and the Eagles weren't exactly awe-inspiring, either.  Kolb is serviceable, and injuries destroyed the offense, but I think the Cards are closer to the 1-11 team than the 4-0 one.

As far as the Rams go, I do remember that they did very well against the West, but I don't think that Fisher and his roster can maintain that.  It's Jeff Fisher, and he can field a decent team, but that's the plateau they tend to stay at.  Steven Jackson is getting old, Amendola may leave in free agency, and Bradford can be woefully inconsistent.  Unless they pick up some huge playmakers in the draft,  I think the Rams regress next year.

I also think San Fran will slide back a bit next year, too.  The starting group played more snaps than any other in the league; that wear and tear is going to catch up with them at some point in time.  I also remain unconvinced about Kaep, for many of the reasons we saw in the SB: against a team that has well-coached personnel, he goes to the first option, and if they are covered, he runs.  If he can't run, he'll wing it to whoever happens to be nearly open, forcing the receivers to break off their routes before they complete them.  The Ravens and the Falcons did a good job of limiting Kaep, and as teams have more time to plan for him, I think he may slide a little as well.

I would say one and two will be close, maybe even tied, in the West, with the Rams and Cards hitting 6-10 or 7-9 each.
 
2013-02-05 01:57:45 PM

spiderpaz: mentallo69: Wrong, wrong and wrong. One team won in Atlanta to go to the super bowl. The other team choked and lost. I'll let you figure out which was which.

Umm, yeah duh. Like I said we didnt blow it in last 30 seconds. I dont think anyone said the Hawks didnt blow it in Atlanta.
but no way you tell me Colin Kapernick is better than Russel Wilson. No way! One can actually throw accurate and hit receivers and the other..........well your seeing that arent you.

Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.

Not sure if serious, or just stupid


Neither, I am mainly just talking smack for fun! In all seriousness. I do think Wilson is way better. It is a fact that Kapernick has a problem looking off of his first recievers. Hell I was even listening to JT the Brick the other day and he did a half hour segment on exactly that.

Time will tell though, but I still see the divison next season Going through Seattle, but the Rams are getting better to. The NFC worst, might just be the best division in football next year,
 
2013-02-05 01:58:21 PM

mentallo69: Seriously, Kapernick may have been the second worse QB to ever play in a Super Bowl behind Rex Grossman. Kapernick isnt there yet, his accuracy is garbage and he doesnt even look off from his first receiver.


Okay, this is crazy.

SuperChuck: LOL. That's funny! Kaepernick's accuracy is very good. The only holes I see in his game right now are getting the play off on time and handling pressure in his face.


I would also say that he doesn't really seem to have any touch on his passes, which can be a problem on those fades, and could be a big part of the reason he's not particularly efficient in the red zone as a passer. But he's also started for less than a full season, so meh.

neon_god: Kaepernick threw for 35 more yards a game once he was starting, and rushed for more yards in 10 starts than Wilson did in 18.


Are we counting playoff games or not with the "more yards/game" stat? Because Kaepernick did throw 40+ more passes than Wilson did over that stretch, what with Wilson sitting the second halves of a lot of games because the Seahawks were curbstomping teams.
 
2013-02-05 02:01:31 PM

neon_god: mentallo69: Plus 10 draft picks this year.

you have 8. The 49ers have 11:  http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013-nfl-draft/2013/2/5/3954534/2013-nfl - draft-nfc-west-49ers-seahawks-rams-cardinals

Plus, you think Kaepernick doesn't matter if Wilson's on? Kaepernick threw for 35 more yards a game once he was starting, and rushed for more yards in 10 starts than Wilson did in 18.


Yardage rushed isn't a good barometer.  For one thing, most of the postseason yards came from the Packers, who had perhaps the worst defense of any playoff team.  For another, Wilson views running as a last resort most of the time.  He has gotten the scrambling QB moniker because he runs around when the pocket breaks down, but he doesn't really run unless there's absolutely nothing.

Regular season:

Wilson: 94 attempts, 489 yards
Kaep: 63 attempts, 415 yards

Kaep's huge gap in yardage is basically because he runs at the drop of a hat, and also because teams were still playing SF as if Smith were still back there: tight, press coverage.  You will also note that Kaep's attempts would have far outstripped Wilson's attempts over the course of 16 games.

As far as throwing for more yards, good for Kaep.  Unfortunately, Wilson sat out the last quarter or two of three or four blowouts, one of which was against the deer-in-the-headlights Kaep.

I'm not saying Kaep is awful or that he is worse than Wilson; I think both of them are great athletes, but comparing the two is a difficult task.
 
2013-02-05 02:02:54 PM

IAmRight: I would also say that he doesn't really seem to have any touch on his passes, which can be a problem on those fades, and could be a big part of the reason he's not particularly efficient in the red zone as a passer. But he's also started for less than a full season, so meh.


He has good touch... sometimes. I think he's still learning when to apply that touch. He'shiat a couple of nice bombs that were dropped in perfectly.
 
2013-02-05 02:04:34 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Yardage rushed isn't a good barometer.  For one thing, most of the postseason yards came from the Packers, who had perhaps the worst defense of any playoff team.


And consistently said "hey let's not have anyone in the middle of the field...ever!"
 
2013-02-05 02:09:27 PM
Fun fact:

The only time Colin Kaepernick threw for 300+ yards was the Super Bowl, when his team was eliminated from title contention after the team got overwhelmed due to some dumb mistakes in the first half and he had to pass a lot to try to get the team back in it.

The only time Russell Wilson threw for 300+ yards was the divisional round, when his team was eliminated from title contention after the team got overwhelmed due to some dumb mistakes in the first half and he had to pass a lot to try to get the team back in it.

/bonus: Kaepernick's rushing line in that game: 7 rushes for 62 yards, TD
//Wilson's rushing line in that game? 7 rushes for 60 yards, TD
 
2013-02-05 02:09:32 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer:   I also remain unconvinced about Kaep, for many of the reasons we saw in the SB: against a team that has well-coached personnel, he goes to the first option, and if they are covered, he runs.  If he can't run, he'll wing it to whoever happens to be nearly open, forcing the receivers to break off their routes before they complete them.  The Ravens and the Falcons did a good job of limiting Kaep, and as teams have more time to plan for him, I think he may slide a little as well.


Everyone's been saying this, and I just don't get where it's coming from. He threw for 302 against the Ravens, and while the Falcons held him to 233, he completed 76% of his passes, and only ran it twice, for 21 yards. So he had 23 plays in his hands (21 pass, 2 run), and produced 254 yards. He completed a lower percentage than Wilson for the season overall, but 61% vs 63% isn't a huge gap. He does need to work on accuracy, and he really needs practice running the offence. Too many sloppy play calls in the playoffs and in the game in Seattle. Still, though, if you don't think he was excellent in these playoffs, you weren't watching.
 
2013-02-05 02:09:53 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: neon_god: mentallo69: Plus 10 draft picks this year.

you have 8. The 49ers have 11:  http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013-nfl-draft/2013/2/5/3954534/2013-nfl - draft-nfc-west-49ers-seahawks-rams-cardinals

Plus, you think Kaepernick doesn't matter if Wilson's on? Kaepernick threw for 35 more yards a game once he was starting, and rushed for more yards in 10 starts than Wilson did in 18.

Yardage rushed isn't a good barometer.  For one thing, most of the postseason yards came from the Packers, who had perhaps the worst defense of any playoff team.  For another, Wilson views running as a last resort most of the time.  He has gotten the scrambling QB moniker because he runs around when the pocket breaks down, but he doesn't really run unless there's absolutely nothing.

Regular season:

Wilson: 94 attempts, 489 yards
Kaep: 63 attempts, 415 yards

Kaep's huge gap in yardage is basically because he runs at the drop of a hat, and also because teams were still playing SF as if Smith were still back there: tight, press coverage.  You will also note that Kaep's attempts would have far outstripped Wilson's attempts over the course of 16 games.

As far as throwing for more yards, good for Kaep.  Unfortunately, Wilson sat out the last quarter or two of three or four blowouts, one of which was against the deer-in-the-headlights Kaep.

I'm not saying Kaep is awful or that he is worse than Wilson; I think both of them are great athletes, but comparing the two is a difficult task.


SF has one of the best OL in the league, while CK is extremely efficient at using said line, part of what makes Wilson so good is escaping when everything breaks down while still reading defenses and not just throwing to the first guy open

either way tho, the read option didn't win the super bowl
 
2013-02-05 02:14:20 PM
DVOA
Kaepernick: 25.7%
Wilson: 19.7%

ESPN QBR
Kaepernick: 76.8
Wilson: 69.6

NFL QB Rating
Kaepernick: 98.3
Wilson: 100.0

And rushing leans towards Kaep too. It looks like a slight advantage for Kaepernick to me.
 
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