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2013-02-05 12:27:48 PM
Vernon Wells said the same thing before the Angels picked him up, for whatever farking reason that was.

He didn't live up to the contract, but I still respected him
 
2013-02-05 12:30:45 PM
What I wouldn't give to be a left handed, middle reliever. You don't even have to be good, just left handed
 
2013-02-05 12:31:22 PM
$22.5 million a year for Mark Teixiera??? I thought the Yankees organization could afford nicer drugs than the crack they had to be smoking when they agreed to that deal.
 
2013-02-05 12:33:59 PM
FTFH: ..."honest man in baseball".

ts1.mm.bing.net

Would like to meet him.
 
2013-02-05 12:43:27 PM
"15 steps to the perfect profile pic" 5 links apart. i guess repeats without comments are not frowned upon for sponsors. it's good they disabled comments though. that is what always happens with the best youtube videos
 
2013-02-05 12:47:09 PM

divgradcurl: "15 steps to the perfect profile pic" 5 links apart. i guess repeats without comments are not frowned upon for sponsors. it's good they disabled comments though. that is what always happens with the best youtube videos


I'm not seeing these, is it my adblock, or are you not viewing the Sports tab?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-05 12:51:54 PM
Tex's face really pisses me off.  He looks like such a douche.
 
2013-02-05 12:52:14 PM

robbiex0r: I'm not seeing these, is it my adblock, or are you not viewing the Sports tab?
[i.imgur.com image 850x565]


hmm, it is the sports tab. i am also seeing it in other tabs as well. once again your adblock superiority is acknowledged :-)
 
2013-02-05 12:53:21 PM

divgradcurl: it's good they disabled comments though.


It is, because you can see that there's nothing on the right, so you can more easily ignore whatever's to the left.
 
2013-02-05 01:02:48 PM
I would like to start by thanking the Yankees for inflating costs in baseball to the point where a cup of American piss-water beer now sells for $8 at the yard and a decent ticket costs $50+.
 
2013-02-05 01:03:03 PM
Tex isn't even the worst contract on his own team.  And someone should ask Ryan Howard to comment on Tex's interview.

Here are the 30 largest contracts ever signed.  Ask yourself how many of those worked out, with bonus points for the contracts that looked terrible the day were signed:

1. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17)
2. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
3. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21)
4. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23)
5. Prince Fielder, $214,000,000 (2012-20)
6. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10)
7. Joe Mauer, $184,000,000 (2011-18)
8. Mark Teixeira, $180,000,000 (2009-16)
9. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15)
10. Manny Ramirez, $160,000,000 (2001-08)
. . . Matt Kemp, $160,000,000 (2012-19)
12. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20)
13. Adrian Gonzalez, $154,000,000 (2012-18)
14. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15)
15. Zack Greinke, $147,000,000 (2013-18)
16. Cole Hamels, $144,000,000 (2013-18)
17. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17)
18. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)
19. David Wright, $138,000,000 (2013-20)
20. Johan Santana, $137,500,000 (2008-13)
21. Alfonso Soriano, $136,000,000 (2007-14)
22. Matt Cain, $127,500,000 (2012-17)
23. Vernon Wells, $126,000,000 (2008-14)
. . . Barry Zito, $126,000,000 (2007-13)
. . . Jayson Werth, $126,000,000 (2011-17)
26. Ryan Howard, $125,000,000 (2012-16)
. . . Josh Hamilton, $125,000,000 (2013-17)
28. CC Sabathia, $122,000,000 (2012-16)
29. Mike Hampton, $121,000,000 (2001-08)
30. Jason Giambi, $120,000,000 (2002-08)
. . . Matt Holliday, $120,000,000 (2010-16)
. . . Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15)
 
2013-02-05 01:05:06 PM

chimp_ninja: 17. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17)


Laughter OL.

The Rays have a crystal ball or something because they know when a player is about to fall apart.
 
2013-02-05 01:09:37 PM
I'd say Jeter and CC's original contract worked out fine
 
2013-02-05 01:12:03 PM

Crewmannumber6: What I wouldn't give to be a left handed, middle reliever. You don't even have to be good, just left handed


An inning, or maybe just a batter, about three times a week. That would work for me.
 
2013-02-05 01:12:25 PM
I'd also add that among the three huge contracts the Yankees made that year, Tex's isn't even the worst (that honor belongs to AJ Burnett's)
 
2013-02-05 01:15:51 PM
12. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20)
18. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)


I'm not the closest follower of baseball, but you really shouldn't be on that list if the general public has no idea who you are.
 
2013-02-05 01:18:48 PM

red5ish: I would like to start by thanking the Yankees for inflating costs in baseball to the point where a cup of American piss-water beer now sells for $8 at the yard and a decent ticket costs $50+.


Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket/concession prices
 
2013-02-05 01:18:53 PM
I still cannot believe the Dodgers picked up the remainders of Beckett, Gonzo, and Crawford without the Red Sox having to eat more than $12m.
 
2013-02-05 01:20:01 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm not the closest follower of baseball, but you really shouldn't be on that list if the general public has no idea who you are.


Tulo definitely earned that as much as others on that list.  You're probably not going to hear about a CR player that often, especially since he had a legit hip injury last year.
 
2013-02-05 01:23:28 PM

ElwoodCuse: red5ish: I would like to start by thanking the Yankees for inflating costs in baseball to the point where a cup of American piss-water beer now sells for $8 at the yard and a decent ticket costs $50+.

Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket/concession prices


The reverse, however, is mostly true.
 
2013-02-05 01:25:36 PM

tricycleracer: chimp_ninja: 17. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17)

Laughter OL.

The Rays have a crystal ball or something because they know when a player is about to fall apart.


No, they just have the best management organization in baseball. Unfortunately, they also have the least-deserving fan base.
 
2013-02-05 01:26:57 PM
Baseball salaries exploded when TV money did. Ticket prices are subject to good old fashioned supply and demand and concessions are a ripoff because it's a captive audience.
 
2013-02-05 01:27:21 PM

SkylineRecords: Unfortunately, they also have the least-deserving fan base.


They unfortunately have the unholy trinity of a demon bridge, a crappy stadium and being in Florida.
 
2013-02-05 01:33:02 PM

ElwoodCuse: Baseball salaries exploded when TV money did. Ticket prices are subject to good old fashioned supply and demand and concessions are a ripoff because it's a captive audience.


If he's referring to Baltimore specifically, you could make the case that ticket prices did go up thanks to the Yankees' spending, since Yankee spending and their new stadium made tickets there cost more, which makes other AL East ballpark prices a better deal if they want to see "their" team, which means demand goes up in those markets, especially nearby ones.

/assuming based on referring to it as "the yard"
//can't think of other stadia referred to as anything with Yards at the end
 
2013-02-05 01:34:35 PM

Lost Thought 00: 12. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20)
18. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)

I'm not the closest follower of baseball, but you really shouldn't be on that list if the general public has no idea who you are.


Tulo is best shortstop in the game now (when healthy) and Helton was pretty dang good in his day.
 
2013-02-05 01:35:49 PM
Tex?  Are you guys pronouncing that Tesh?

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2013-02-05 01:37:54 PM

SkylineRecords: Unfortunately, they also have the least-deserving fan base.


I know that feel, bro.  I live 6 blocks from The Trop.
 
2013-02-05 01:42:38 PM

The Bestest: SkylineRecords: Unfortunately, they also have the least-deserving fan base.

They unfortunately have the unholy trinity of a demon bridge, a crappy stadium and being in Florida.


www.majhost.com
 
2013-02-05 01:48:05 PM
I promise not to boo if Tex signs the giving pledge.  (Technically this is for billionaires only, but he can publicly commit to its principles.)
 
2013-02-05 01:48:14 PM

neuroflare: The Bestest: SkylineRecords: Unfortunately, they also have the least-deserving fan base.

They unfortunately have the unholy trinity of a demon bridge, a crappy stadium and being in Florida.

[www.majhost.com image 769x658]


o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-02-05 01:48:32 PM

chimp_ninja: Tex isn't even the worst contract on his own team. And someone should ask Ryan Howard to comment on Tex's interview.

Here are the 30 largest contracts ever signed. Ask yourself how many of those worked out, with bonus points for the contracts that looked terrible the day were signed:

2. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
6. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10)
9. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15)
14. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15)
18. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)
30. Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15)


These worked out ok (so far) from a pure production-to-dollars standpoint and ignoring other factors (like the stress these deals put of a team's budget). I think sometimes people forget how much of a beast A-Rod was during that original mega-deal. He put up insane numbers during most of that stretch.

/Also, lol @ Mike Hampton
 
2013-02-05 01:48:43 PM
Hear me out...The Portland Rays. It had a certain ring to it.
 
2013-02-05 02:14:58 PM
Rex_Banner:  /Also, lol @ Mike Hampton

My favorite Mike Hampton factoid is that he was the second highest paid player (by a $4M+ margin) on the World Series winning Marlins payroll in 2003 even though he played for the Braves.
 
2013-02-05 02:17:00 PM

IlGreven: ElwoodCuse: red5ish: I would like to start by thanking the Yankees for inflating costs in baseball to the point where a cup of American piss-water beer now sells for $8 at the yard and a decent ticket costs $50+.

Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket/concession prices

The reverse, however, is mostly true.


No, it isn't.

If Peter Angelos can get you to pay $8 for a watery budweiser or $50 for a bleacher seat and sell enough units to still make a profit, that's what he'll charge you.

The idea that if he didn't have to pay those gosh-darned players all that cash he'd pass that savings along to the fans as opposed to merely pocketing the additional profit is naive and against the weight of what basically every sports owner has done forever.

Supply and demand set ticket and concession prices.  Player salaries are merely the way those revenues are divided between management and labor.
 
2013-02-05 02:38:34 PM

Rex_Banner: chimp_ninja: Tex isn't even the worst contract on his own team. And someone should ask Ryan Howard to comment on Tex's interview.

Here are the 30 largest contracts ever signed. Ask yourself how many of those worked out, with bonus points for the contracts that looked terrible the day were signed:

2. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
6. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10)
9. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15)
14. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15)
18. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)
30. Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15)

These worked out ok (so far) from a pure production-to-dollars standpoint and ignoring other factors (like the stress these deals put of a team's budget). I think sometimes people forget how much of a beast A-Rod was during that original mega-deal. He put up insane numbers during most of that stretch.

/Also, lol @ Mike Hampton


I don't know many Yankees fans that were happy when they resigned him after he opted out.

They would have made out like bandits if they just let him go.
 
2013-02-05 02:40:49 PM

Willas Tyrell: Supply and demand set ticket and concession prices. Player salaries are merely the way those revenues are divided between management and labor.


You know how one of Fark's favorite sayings (and the golden rule of epidemiology) is CORRELATION DOESN'T EQUAL CAUSATION? There literally isn't even much correlation you can possibly derive between ticket prices and salaries from the studies I've seen.
 
2013-02-05 02:46:26 PM
If he was honest he'd give it back or retire.  Gil Meche is the only honest man in baseball.

But the case of Gil Meche is rare for an entirely different reason. Meche, a 32-year-old right-handed pitcher, had a contract that called for a $12 million salary in 2011. Yet he will not report to Surprise, Ariz., with the rest of the Kansas City Royals for spring training next month. He will not have surgery to repair his chronically aching right shoulder. He will not pitch in relief, which involves a lighter workload.

Meche retired last week, which means he will not be paid at all.

"When I signed my contract, my main goal was to earn it," Meche said this week by phone from Lafayette, La. "Once I started to realize I wasn't earning my money, I felt bad. I was making a crazy amount of money for not even pitching. Honestly, I didn't feel like I deserved it. I didn't want to have those feelings again."
 
2013-02-05 02:48:03 PM

Killer Cars: You know how one of Fark's favorite sayings (and the golden rule of epidemiology) is CORRELATION DOESN'T EQUAL CAUSATION? There literally isn't even much correlation you can possibly derive between ticket prices and salaries from the studies I've seen.


I miss being around a ballpark where you can walk up the day of, and get first row tickets behind 3rd base for 40 bucks each and no crowd around you.  That was Camden Yards two years ago for me, and it was great.
 
2013-02-05 03:00:20 PM

Wise_Guy: . I think sometimes people forget how much of a beast A-Rod was during that original mega-deal.

the regular season.


/FTFY
 
2013-02-05 03:08:14 PM
Stop going to the games and maybe they'll all go away...
 
2013-02-05 03:23:21 PM
There are some defensive plays Tex has made that have blown my mind. See 2009 ALDS Game 2, when the Twins had bases loaded 0 outs despite the shiatty umpiring, and got denied mostly because Tex somehow caught 2 lasers.

His offense wasn't bad in Game 2, either, along with other games later that post season.

Honestly, along with his bat (albeit in slight decline), I'd say he is worth every penny.

A-Rod earned his pay in the 2009 post season, and that's about it.
 
2013-02-05 03:33:29 PM

ElwoodCuse: red5ish: I would like to start by thanking the Yankees for inflating costs in baseball to the point where a cup of American piss-water beer now sells for $8 at the yard and a decent ticket costs $50+.

Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket/concession prices


Television revenue keeps going up, subsidizing payrolls which account for over 50% of team revenues.  Average ticket prices in baseball have risen about 50% in the past decade, according to Team Marketing Report. The average player salary has risen 44% during the last decade. You can argue that there is no relationship but any cost that constitutes over 50% of total revenues affects the price of the product.
 
2013-02-05 03:39:21 PM

chimp_ninja: Tex isn't even the worst contract on his own team.  And someone should ask Ryan Howard to comment on Tex's interview.

Here are the 30 largest contracts ever signed.  Ask yourself how many of those worked out, with bonus points for the contracts that looked terrible the day were signed:

1. Alex Rodriguez, $275,000,000 (2008-17)
2. Alex Rodriguez, $252,000,000 (2001-10)
3. Albert Pujols, $240,000,000 (2012-21)
4. Joey Votto, $225,000,000 (2014-23)
5. Prince Fielder, $214,000,000 (2012-20)
6. Derek Jeter, $189,000,000 (2001-10)
7. Joe Mauer, $184,000,000 (2011-18)
8. Mark Teixeira, $180,000,000 (2009-16)
9. CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15)
10. Manny Ramirez, $160,000,000 (2001-08)
. . . Matt Kemp, $160,000,000 (2012-19)
12. Troy Tulowitzki, $157,750,000 (2011-20)
13. Adrian Gonzalez, $154,000,000 (2012-18)
14. Miguel Cabrera, $152,300,000 (2008-15)
15. Zack Greinke, $147,000,000 (2013-18)
16. Cole Hamels, $144,000,000 (2013-18)
17. Carl Crawford, $142,000,000 (2011-17)
18. Todd Helton, $141,500,000 (2003-11)
19. David Wright, $138,000,000 (2013-20)
20. Johan Santana, $137,500,000 (2008-13)
21. Alfonso Soriano, $136,000,000 (2007-14)
22. Matt Cain, $127,500,000 (2012-17)
23. Vernon Wells, $126,000,000 (2008-14)
. . . Barry Zito, $126,000,000 (2007-13)
. . . Jayson Werth, $126,000,000 (2011-17)
26. Ryan Howard, $125,000,000 (2012-16)
. . . Josh Hamilton, $125,000,000 (2013-17)
28. CC Sabathia, $122,000,000 (2012-16)
29. Mike Hampton, $121,000,000 (2001-08)
30. Jason Giambi, $120,000,000 (2002-08)
. . . Matt Holliday, $120,000,000 (2010-16)
. . . Cliff Lee, $120,000,000 (2011-15)


I didnt see any current Red Sox players on there.  Huh.  Wonder what they are planning?
 
2013-02-05 03:43:59 PM

JohnnyRebel88: I didnt see any current Red Sox players on there. Huh. Wonder what they are planning?


They like to sign them to those awful contracts and <i>then</i> trade them after they found out they got fleeced.

/10% of that list
 
2013-02-05 04:46:30 PM
Is that the guy the Rangers are still paying to go play for someone else or is that someone else I hate? I can never remember.


/grooooooowwwllllll
 
2013-02-05 04:50:56 PM

mainstreet62: There are some defensive plays Tex has made that have blown my mind. See 2009 ALDS Game 2, when the Twins had bases loaded 0 outs despite the shiatty umpiring, and got denied mostly because Tex somehow caught 2 lasers.

His offense wasn't bad in Game 2, either, along with other games later that post season.

Honestly, along with his bat (albeit in slight decline), I'd say he is worth every penny.


Over the first four years of his contract, he's added about three wins to the Yankees each year.  Teams generally pay about $5M per extra win on the free agent market, so his ~$20M average salary isn't horrible for that.  It has not been a disaster, but he's somewhat overpaid.  Now, the next four years of his contract will likely be a complete disaster.

His postseason resume doesn't help that.  His career postseason batting line is .222/.339/.320 (and his best series was for the Angels), and that's not an acceptable amount of offense from a slick shortshop, let alone a 1B.  It's only 40 games, and I wouldn't draw strong conclusions from it, but it isn't a helpful 40 games.
A-Rod earned his pay in the 2009 post season, and that's about it.

A-Rod was consistently over-performing his Yankee salary until about 2009.  The Yankees don't make the postseason with a generic 3B in several of those years.  Having a 3B who can put up  .300/.400/.600 line every year will do that.  2009-2010, he was in the Mark Teixeira category of "good, but not justifying his salary".  Now he's a "capable veteran" even when healthy, with injury problems, manager conflicts, a steroid scandal, and an alienated fanbase.  The rest of his contract looks like a team-breaking albatross even with the Yankees' deep pockets.

And as shown above, this is how most giant contracts go.  The player looks reasonably worthwhile in the early years, then morphs into a disaster once age inevitably catches up.  Of the 32 biggest contracts given above, maybe 5-8 don't look like they'll be considered disasters on their last day.
 
2013-02-05 04:52:49 PM
Everyone knows he chose new york for the quality school system.
 
2013-02-05 04:57:38 PM
I guess Ken Caminiti does count on account of his being dead.
 
2013-02-05 05:02:06 PM

R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: Tex's face really pisses me off.  He looks like such a douche.


He also has lady-ass
 
2013-02-05 05:18:05 PM

neuroflare: The Bestest: SkylineRecords: Unfortunately, they also have the least-deserving fan base.

They unfortunately have the unholy trinity of a demon bridge, a crappy stadium and being in Florida.

[www.majhost.com image 769x658]


Can someone please explain this to those of us who don't get it?
 
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