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2013-02-05 10:48:56 AM
For those of us who work in the DC area, this isn't news.

/OH GOD!  Watch out for that snowflake!
//1.8MPH commute...Goddammitsomuch
 
2013-02-05 10:48:58 AM
What about Leon?
 
2013-02-05 10:50:13 AM
www.seibertron.com
 
2013-02-05 10:50:36 AM
Butt the ICC was supposed to solve everything.
 
2013-02-05 10:51:13 AM
I thought St. Louis drivers were terrible. Then I moved to DC. No, you dumb farks - two interstates merging does not mean you need to slow to 35.
 
2013-02-05 10:52:28 AM
I figure if we require all special interests and lobbying groups to take public transport that would solve the problem.
 
2013-02-05 10:52:55 AM
There was construction on the Woodrow Wilsopn Bridge for 25 years. I'm not bullshiatting. 25 years. I thought that whatever they were doing would improve the congestion. It did...a little.
 
2013-02-05 10:54:00 AM
I don't understand why more people/companies don't embrace telecommuting. If you're an admin-type (like me), it doesn't matter where you do the majority of your work, and I'd just as soon do it in my underwear (like I am now). Sure, I still travel occasionally and attend a couple of staff meetings per week, but I spend about 30-35 of my 50-hour workweek in my home... F*cking around on the internet while not costing my company real-estate, energy, water, etc.

(Oh, and drinking on the job has never been easier)
 
2013-02-05 10:55:16 AM
My car has two trip computers, one that resets every time I get gas, one I've kept running since the day I bought it almost three years ago.  I primarily use it to drive to work in D.C. during the week , but take longer trips on the weekend.

I have a lead foot, and regularly get it up to 80 when the Beltway / I-66 / 267 (all interstates) are open enough to do so.  Despite that, last time I checked my average speed over the life of the car, it was 19 mph.
 
2013-02-05 10:55:25 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: There was construction on the Woodrow Wilsopn Bridge for 25 years. I'm not bullshiatting. 25 years. I thought that whatever they were doing would improve the congestion. It did...a little.


The vaunted ICC has done about one iota more than absolute zero for easing the congestion between Laurel and Rockville, too.
 
2013-02-05 10:55:33 AM

a place where the average driver burns 67 hours and 32 gallons of gas each year sitting in traffic.


Those numbers seem low, unless they're talking about time actually stopped (i.e. could be in park or neutral) rather than inching along a 1.5mph. (Yes, I RTFA.)
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If they start executing people for rubbernecking, maybe that would help.

"OMG, someone is changing a tire along 270! I must stare in amazement for an extended period of time!" *blam*
 
2013-02-05 10:56:32 AM
Couldn't they FIX this by implementing the same policy they have in London?
Higher priced tolls to drive into the city based on traffic, time of day, what not.
 
2013-02-05 10:56:38 AM
LA laughs at cities complaining about traffic...
www.mylifeintraffic.com
 
2013-02-05 10:57:55 AM
No voting Congress(wo)man means nobody to bring home pork to the District means really, really inadequate road network. Atlanta's similar network has about twice the capacity. OTOH, Atlanta has no commuter trains, and MARTA sucks compared to the DC Metro.
 
2013-02-05 10:58:59 AM
FLYING CAR M*THERFARKERS!!!!!
/you f$uckers can't drive in 2 dimensions much less three so no, flying cars, not yours.
 
2013-02-05 10:59:05 AM

hugram: LA laughs at cities complaining about traffic...
[www.mylifeintraffic.com image 600x400]


D.C. is now regularly worse than LA.  We have fewer choices to get from Point A to Point B.  If there is a backup on a particular highway, you sit.  There's no taking the long way via a different expressway.
 
2013-02-05 10:59:07 AM
Northern VA is horribly overbuilt, MD has been suffering paralysis through analysis for 30 years, DC just screams that it's the federal governments problem and they need to be able to tax commuters.  Nobody brings any real solutions to the table because they don't know any.
 
2013-02-05 11:00:15 AM

MCStymie: DROxINxTHExWIND: There was construction on the Woodrow Wilsopn Bridge for 25 years. I'm not bullshiatting. 25 years. I thought that whatever they were doing would improve the congestion. It did...a little.

The vaunted ICC has done about one iota more than absolute zero for easing the congestion between Laurel and Rockville, too.


So-called "connectors" through suburban areas are just enablers for more suburban sprawl development, which quickly eats up the increased road capacity. You don't want to sit in bumper-to-bumper commuter traffic? Don't live in the burbs. This is known.
 
2013-02-05 11:00:30 AM

CipollinaFan: Butt the ICC was supposed to solve everything.


From the perspective of Montgomery County, maybe. That's nothing to sneeze at, but it's only one county; it doesn't take PG, Fairfax, Loudoun, Alexandria, or DC itself into account.
 
2013-02-05 11:00:44 AM
They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.
 
2013-02-05 11:01:10 AM
BUILD ANOTHER BRIDGE OVER THE POTOMAC VIRGINIA!!!.
/NOVA *SUCKS* at infrastructure.
 
2013-02-05 11:02:00 AM

pag1107: Northern VA is horribly overbuilt, MD has been suffering paralysis through analysis for 30 years, DC just screams that it's the federal governments problem and they need to be able to tax commuters.  Nobody brings any real solutions to the table because they don't know any.


There's one easy solution. Live in town. It's expensive, and it won't give you a lot of things you want, but it fixes the traffic issue.
 
2013-02-05 11:02:59 AM
The USA has the derp and we just can't shake it off.
 
2013-02-05 11:03:00 AM

EZ Writer: I don't understand why more people/companies don't embrace telecommuting. If you're an admin-type (like me), it doesn't matter where you do the majority of your work, and I'd just as soon do it in my underwear (like I am now). Sure, I still travel occasionally and attend a couple of staff meetings per week, but I spend about 30-35 of my 50-hour workweek in my home... F*cking around on the internet while not costing my company real-estate, energy, water, etc.

(Oh, and drinking on the job has never been easier)


my husband says he gets more done telecommuting than at the office. He is interrupted by people gossiping as much,

yep- Federal Government worker
 
2013-02-05 11:03:04 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.


They finally built the ramp from DC 295 south to I-395 south over the Anacostia River.  So you now can come down the B-W and connect up to 395 without having to go up North Capitol Street.  It makes a big difference, but isn't well known yet as it only opened last year.
 
GBB
2013-02-05 11:03:28 AM

ChipNASA: FLYING CAR M*THERFARKERS!!!!!
/you f$uckers can't drive in 2 dimensions much less three so no, flying cars, not yours.


The good thing about flying cars: they won't block the air when they crash.
 
2013-02-05 11:04:12 AM

MCStymie: DROxINxTHExWIND: There was construction on the Woodrow Wilsopn Bridge for 25 years. I'm not bullshiatting. 25 years. I thought that whatever they were doing would improve the congestion. It did...a little.

The vaunted ICC has done about one iota more than absolute zero for easing the congestion between Laurel and Rockville, too.


They were just starting on that when I lived in Laurel. Glad to see it has become the clusterfark I expected.
 
2013-02-05 11:04:32 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.


The old, rip through historic neighborhoods with a multi-lane expressway solution. Atlanta managed to fight that off in the '80s; I imagine DC had similar resistance.
 
2013-02-05 11:04:37 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.


They SHOULD have built an OUTER beltway like they were SUPPOSED TO in the 1960s.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-05 11:05:33 AM

namatad: Couldn't they FIX this by implementing the same policy they have in London?
Higher priced tolls to drive into the city based on traffic, time of day, what not.


It's trickier, because you're dealing with three separate jurisdictions who have literally gone to war against one another. Very little of the beltway or its feeder highways actually enters DC.
 
2013-02-05 11:05:47 AM
I mean isn't as interrupted as much by people gossiping. Most meetings can be done through the technology we have today. I wish the Federal government used telecommuting more. Would probably save a bunch of money too. Maybe they should have workers only come to the office 3 times a week at different shifts. That would probably ease traffic a bit.

People also forget all of the tourist traffic we have to endure. (and Maryland drivers!!)
 
2013-02-05 11:06:16 AM

Warthog: hugram: LA laughs at cities complaining about traffic...
[www.mylifeintraffic.com image 600x400]

D.C. is now regularly worse than LA.  We have fewer choices to get from Point A to Point B.  If there is a backup on a particular highway, you sit.  There's no taking the long way via a different expressway.


I'm aware how bad things are in DC... but having lived in LA for 15 years, the traffic there is horrendous.  When I go there to visit my sisters, I'm stuck, bumper to bumper on the 405 at 4 pm... on a Sunday....

Also, don't forget how huge LA is... many people there have to drive bumper to bumper on their 20 to 40 mile, one way commute.  On rush hour, every LA freeway (except maybe the 105) is clogged with cars.  There is no way to get around it.
 
2013-02-05 11:07:49 AM
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2013-02-05 11:07:56 AM

MCStymie: DROxINxTHExWIND: There was construction on the Woodrow Wilsopn Bridge for 25 years. I'm not bullshiatting. 25 years. I thought that whatever they were doing would improve the congestion. It did...a little.

The vaunted ICC has done about one iota more than absolute zero for easing the congestion between Laurel and Rockville, too.


I know a few people it helped, plus it's easier to get to BWI from Montgomery County but the tolls are way to high to make it usable for 5x week commuting.  Same with the HOT lanes in NoVA.

ChipNASA: BUILD ANOTHER BRIDGE OVER THE POTOMAC VIRGINIA!!!.
/NOVA *SUCKS* at infrastructure.


We will never get another bridge across the Potomac - the land that would be needed is owned by people with more money and power than the commuters who would use it.  That's why the ICC took 30 years to build.
 
2013-02-05 11:07:58 AM

ChipNASA: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.

They SHOULD have built an OUTER beltway like they were SUPPOSED TO in the 1960s.

[i.imgur.com image 850x708]


Sadly, that's not even "outer" any more.
 
2013-02-05 11:08:41 AM

ChipNASA: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.

They SHOULD have built an OUTER beltway like they were SUPPOSED TO in the 1960s.

[i.imgur.com image 850x708]


I love this!! Would have made my life much easier!!
 
2013-02-05 11:08:59 AM

mbillips: pag1107: Northern VA is horribly overbuilt, MD has been suffering paralysis through analysis for 30 years, DC just screams that it's the federal governments problem and they need to be able to tax commuters.  Nobody brings any real solutions to the table because they don't know any.

There's one easy solution. Live in town. It's expensive, and it won't give you a lot of things you want, but it fixes the traffic issue.


Sadly, this. I moved to DC last August, and I want to go back to MD, but if I keep working in VA (juuuuuuuuuuuuust outside DC, in sight of the Pentagon), I may just stay here for the convenience.

// but DC Parking Enforcement is a bunch of jackals and vultures, which is a strong argument against
 
2013-02-05 11:09:32 AM

Warthog: hugram: LA laughs at cities complaining about traffic...
[www.mylifeintraffic.com image 600x400]

D.C. is now regularly worse than LA.  We have fewer choices to get from Point A to Point B.  If there is a backup on a particular highway, you sit.  There's no taking the long way via a different expressway.


Sounds like you haven't been to LA lately.

There used to be back routes and sneaky ways to get around traffic.  Those stopped working years ago.

One particularly awful evening, it took me three hours to drive 15 miles.

We can't use weather as an excuse, either.  Though if it rains everything goes to hell.
 
2013-02-05 11:09:50 AM
I've been considering relocating to DC.
How concerned about this should I be?

I've lived in Chicago, LA, and Tampa so i'm no stranger to gridlock.
 
2013-02-05 11:11:35 AM
Eh still don't know why they didn't invest more heavily in light rail.

Metro shouldn't have gone past Alexandria/Arlington/Bethesda/Fort Totten etc

Instead they should have built light, high speed rail connecting the outer regions.  Cheaper then the crap they are building to Dulles and 2x as fast.

I'm sure more people would be willing to take a 100+ mph train into the city then sit in traffic or take the never reliable VRE.
 
2013-02-05 11:11:42 AM

This text is now purple: ChipNASA: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.

They SHOULD have built an OUTER beltway like they were SUPPOSED TO in the 1960s.

[i.imgur.com image 850x708]

Sadly, that's not even "outer" any more.


That's true...Push it out towards German Town, Jessup, Dale City, Ashburn and then just KISS 695 and I 70
 
2013-02-05 11:11:58 AM

ChipNASA: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.

They SHOULD have built an OUTER beltway like they were SUPPOSED TO in the 1960s.

[i.imgur.com image 850x708]


That, and they should have resisted the urge to turn it into a local road. There are probably twice as many exits on the thing as there really should have been.

I'm also hoping that Montgomery's "Purple Line" Metro plan eventually gets expanded into a full circle. Directly connecting the outermost spokes of the system should take considerable load off of the central parts of the system -less people bouncing off the middle to get from the end of one line to the end of another- as well as making these kinds of trips much faster. End result: it becomes useful for more people, but in a way that spreads the load out better. Everyone wins.
 
2013-02-05 11:12:40 AM

Tad_Waxpole: I've been considering relocating to DC.
How concerned about this should I be?

I've lived in Chicago, LA, and Tampa so i'm no stranger to gridlock.


Plan on moving next to a Metro Station.
 
2013-02-05 11:12:57 AM

Tad_Waxpole: I've been considering relocating to DC.
How concerned about this should I be?

I've lived in Chicago, LA, and Tampa so i'm no stranger to gridlock.


Except for maybe LA, DC is another level.

Basically, the infrastructure was completed in the late 70s for a population of around 1 million people  6 million live here now.

It will never get better.
 
2013-02-05 11:14:06 AM
Speaking of "gridlock" - I really shouldn't have eaten that cheese last night.
It's like g'damn Washington DC in the ol' Oval orifice today, I tell ya!
 
2013-02-05 11:14:09 AM

CipollinaFan: Butt the ICC was supposed to solve everything.


The ICC solves little and is really expensive. There's little difference between other routes and the ICC during rush hour traffic (except from i-270 to i-95, your pocket is 4 bones lighter).

The ICC is nice during off-hours. I does save a fair amount of time.
 
2013-02-05 11:14:29 AM

ChipNASA: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They should have just built the rest of I-95 from where the Baltimore-Washington Expressway meets the Beltway down to the north end of I-395. That was the original alignment and it would have taken some of the traffic off the Beltway.

They SHOULD have built an OUTER beltway like they were SUPPOSED TO in the 1960s.

[i.imgur.com image 850x708]


As I understand, they've built parts of it (like the ICC), but not all of them are highway-type roads (like the ICC is), and they aren't connected.

But yeah - build that, another bridge across the Potomac, and, just for good measure, make the ride from NoVA/NE-PG suck a little less.
 
2013-02-05 11:14:41 AM

beta_plus: Basically, the infrastructure was completed in the late 70s for a population of around 1 million people  6 million live here now.


Well, fark me.
 
2013-02-05 11:15:04 AM
anything that makes those laughably-named "civil servants" and other assorted paper-pushing seat-warming bureaucrats experience some sort of discomfort is a good thing.

Also any old-fashioned business owner or government office senior management that refuses their employees the opportunity to telecommute deserves public humiliation of some sort.
 
2013-02-05 11:15:43 AM
I've lived in, or spent a lot of time in, LA, DC, Boston, Atlanta and Dallas.  I thought I had about experienced the gamut of bad traffic and bad drivers.

Then I went to Moscow a couple of years ago.  Holy shiat.  The population of LA in the geographical size of DC, the crazy drivers of Dallas and roads that are laid out about as well as Boston.  And all of this was engineered during the Soviet regime for a driving population of a fraction of what's there today.
 
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