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(The Consumerist)   Sorry, Massachusetts: looks like you're not getting happy hour anytime soon   (consumerist.com) divider line 104
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2013-02-05 08:25:01 AM  
Wow, some people don't have happy hour?
 
2013-02-05 08:43:48 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Wow, some people don't have happy hour?


Maybe I'm confused, but do these states actually have laws stating that alcohol cannot be sold at different prices at different times of day?
 
2013-02-05 08:53:27 AM  
And here I thought Pennsylvania had the wonkiest liquor laws.  Must be a Commonwealth thing.
 
2013-02-05 09:02:53 AM  
It's a good thing we have the government to protect us from ourselves.
 
2013-02-05 09:08:58 AM  

nekom: And here I thought Pennsylvania had the wonkiest liquor laws.  Must be a Commonwealth thing.


Pennsylvania's laws are only wonky to people who don't plan ahead.  Otherwise the only people that complain are drunks who run out of booze at 1am and can't get more, and Teabaggers who think the state shouldn't be selling booze as they cash their welfare check.
 
2013-02-05 09:08:59 AM  
Instead, it found that restaurant owners would be more concerned with a "race to the bottom" where businesses would undercut each other's prices to the point where they'd lose money.

I thought competition was a good thing.  Maybe you'll need to consider draws other than or in addition to cheap drinks.

Crazy idea, I know.  But I drink alot.
 
2013-02-05 09:12:08 AM  

kronicfeld: antidisestablishmentarianism: Wow, some people don't have happy hour?

Maybe I'm confused, but do these states actually have laws stating that alcohol cannot be sold at different prices at different times of day?


That's exactly right. The idea is that it encourages drunk driving by folks having a few after work. Stupid I know. If your that irresponsible saving a few bucks on those after work drinks is not going to stop you. Here in NC the bars just run specials all day and rotate them.
 
2013-02-05 09:13:20 AM  
Last call in Boston is midnight.

Da fuh? Damn Puritans!
 
2013-02-05 09:15:45 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Last call in Boston is midnight.


You gotta control the Irish somehow.
 
2013-02-05 09:16:50 AM  
That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.
 
2013-02-05 09:17:54 AM  
We have a miserable public transit system, nonstop wind 10 months of the year, and we have to pick up the pieces from the Bobby Valentine era. We wouldn't even be able to be happy for a whole hour.
 
2013-02-05 09:19:20 AM  

Quality Unassured: That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.


Exactly.  You 'lock' them down at your place and then you've got them when prices go back to normal.
 
2013-02-05 09:23:02 AM  

Diogenes: Quality Unassured: That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.

Exactly.  You 'lock' them down at your place and then you've got them when prices go back to normal.


Not really. Lots of college towns have happy hour specials like "Rum and cokes for $.50" and "Penny shots for an hour".  Those kinds of specials bring in people to drink fast and hard then leave when the prices go back up.
 
2013-02-05 09:25:08 AM  

WTF Indeed: Diogenes: Quality Unassured: That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.

Exactly.  You 'lock' them down at your place and then you've got them when prices go back to normal.

Not really. Lots of college towns have happy hour specials like "Rum and cokes for $.50" and "Penny shots for an hour".  Those kinds of specials bring in people to drink fast and hard then leave when the prices go back up.


Same issue with Black Friday. Ban all time-limited offers!
 
2013-02-05 09:25:52 AM  
It was a happy hour when Scott Brown announced he will not be running for Senate.
 
2013-02-05 09:26:05 AM  

WTF Indeed: Diogenes: Quality Unassured: That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.

Exactly.  You 'lock' them down at your place and then you've got them when prices go back to normal.

Not really. Lots of college towns have happy hour specials like "Rum and cokes for $.50" and "Penny shots for an hour".  Those kinds of specials bring in people to drink fast and hard then leave when the prices go back up.


Well, doesn't apply to all environments.  College kids will always go where it's cheaper.  But that is the strategy they use downtown in our "Wall Street" area.  Get them to your place first.
 
2013-02-05 09:27:31 AM  
Reduced drinks at a certain hour?

Massachusetts: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
 
2013-02-05 09:28:11 AM  
Yet more proof to support my theory that laws are made primarily by stupid people.
 
2013-02-05 09:28:38 AM  
Call it Sippy Hour and voila.  They'd have to ban that one first
 
2013-02-05 09:28:48 AM  
and yall keep voting Democrat....
 
2013-02-05 09:31:52 AM  
eh, in my college town, some of the places would RAISE the prices on the weekends after 10:30... it's supply and demand, i don't really have a problem with it...
 
2013-02-05 09:32:28 AM  

Diogenes: Well, doesn't apply to all environments. College kids will always go where it's cheaper. But that is the strategy they use downtown in our "Wall Street" area. Get them to your place first.


Well that's the trick to Massachusetts politics.  Given that a huge chuck of Mass.'s population are college students from elsewhere there is a dynamic wherein the voters are older and hate the damn college kids and will support measures that are somewhat self-injurious but still screw the youngins more.  Given that this large population bolus doesnt tend to vote in state (or vote at all) you see a ton of laws/policy decisions that only make sense in the context of oldies from newton wanting to fark over the vomiting noise machines down the street at BC.
 
2013-02-05 09:33:00 AM  

kronicfeld: antidisestablishmentarianism: Wow, some people don't have happy hour?

Maybe I'm confused, but do these states actually have laws stating that alcohol cannot be sold at different prices at different times of day?


Yes, but a lot of places have happy hour with free or steeply discounted food, so it sort of evens out.
 
2013-02-05 09:33:26 AM  
Just drink a 6 pack in the parking lot before you walk into the bar.  Cheaper happy hour and you get 30 cents back in deposits.
 
2013-02-05 09:34:23 AM  
Couldn't you easily get around this by offering "happy hour" pretzels that are only sold between 5-7 and come with a free beer/drink?
 
2013-02-05 09:34:26 AM  
Was subby too lazy or hung over to submit this without a blatant copypasta of the article's title?
 
2013-02-05 09:34:36 AM  

cwolf20: Call it Sippy Hour and voila.  They'd have to ban that one first


Genius! I'm sure that's the loophole they needed!!

Oh wait, it's still illegal to charge different prices for drinks based on the time of day, so... that's a fancy sign you got there
 
2013-02-05 09:34:49 AM  

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....


So we can now add 'Drunk drivers' to the lists of people the Republican party protects, along with 'rapists', 'wife-beaters' and 'school shooters'?

/this post might be a troll.
 
2013-02-05 09:41:10 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Last call in Boston is midnight.

Da fuh? Damn Puritans!


No its not, bars close at 2am here. Last call is 1:30-1:45am.
 
2013-02-05 09:41:18 AM  

Diogenes: Instead, it found that restaurant owners would be more concerned with a "race to the bottom" where businesses would undercut each other's prices to the point where they'd lose money.

I thought competition was a good thing.  Maybe you'll need to consider draws other than or in addition to cheap drinks.

Crazy idea, I know.  But I drink alot.


They'll resist.

As a musician who plays bars and other venues like that on the North Shore I can tell you that messing with their drink prices is the last thing they want or will tolerate.

Very few places understand the concept of "spend money to make money."  Instead they do everything as cheaply as they can.

To some degree I can't blame them.  Between MADD and drunk driving laws they have spent the last 30 years taking a beating.
 
2013-02-05 09:43:06 AM  

Mighty Taternuts: DjangoStonereaver: Last call in Boston is midnight.

Da fuh? Damn Puritans!

No its not, bars close at 2am here. Last call is 1:30-1:45am.


Location:Gaithersburg, MDYeah. Take his pronouncement with a grain of salt.
 
2013-02-05 09:44:12 AM  
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2013-02-05 09:44:28 AM  
As I do all my drinking at home, it's Happy Hour whenever I deem it so
 
2013-02-05 09:44:54 AM  

Quality Unassured: That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.


Restaurants in MA do have happy hours, except they have 1/2 price food instead of drinks.  Where is this "race to the bottom" in regards to food?
 
2013-02-05 09:45:26 AM  
Never knew. I expected this crap in the Bible Belt, not Massachusetts.
 
2013-02-05 09:48:42 AM  

WTF Indeed: nekom: And here I thought Pennsylvania had the wonkiest liquor laws.  Must be a Commonwealth thing.

Pennsylvania's laws are only wonky to people who don't plan ahead.  Otherwise the only people that complain are drunks who run out of booze at 1am and can't get more, and Teabaggers who think the state shouldn't be selling booze as they cash their welfare check.


I complain about every state's liquor laws outside of louisiana.  they're all wonky, overhanded, and superfluous.

personally, i think liquor, like any other legal product, should be available whenever the seller feels like making it available, for whatever price the seller feels like selling it.  this way, the seller can base his decision on the market.  and i can buy a bottle of bourbon at 4 in the morning because i feel like it.  (i haven't done that in a while, but hey, it's mardi gras -- i like to know i can).

/ indoctrinated new orleanian... everytime i go out of town, it takes a couple of days to realize that you have to follow that places draconian laws about liquor, and no, they won't give you a to-go cup.
 
2013-02-05 09:49:25 AM  

WTF Indeed: Diogenes: Quality Unassured: That "race to the bottom" quote is utter bull. The whole point of happy hour is to entice people to go out earlier, not necessarily just drink more cheaply.

Exactly.  You 'lock' them down at your place and then you've got them when prices go back to normal.

Not really. Lots of college towns have happy hour specials like "Rum and cokes for $.50" and "Penny shots for an hour".  Those kinds of specials bring in people to drink fast and hard then leave when the prices go back up.


That's not happy hour.  Happy hour is where non-college kids ie working stiffs go to too socialize and have a few drinks.
 
2013-02-05 09:51:50 AM  
Someone died. They had to pass a feel good law.
 
2013-02-05 09:55:32 AM  

BunkoSquad: We have a miserable public transit system, nonstop wind 10 months of the year, and we have to pick up the pieces from the Bobby Valentine era. We wouldn't even be able to be happy for a whole hour.


Hear, hear!

www.boston.com

/happy truck day?
 
2013-02-05 09:56:31 AM  
I had no idea happy hour was a thing that was illegal in some states. One reason I like Nevada, I guess. "Reverse happy hour" is nice too, when you're out late.
 
2013-02-05 09:59:02 AM  
Where are the Republicans in a state when you need them?
 
2013-02-05 09:59:35 AM  
The state banned the promotional drinking periods in 1984 after a woman was killed by a drunk driver who'd had seven drinks at a happy hour event.

If we passed new laws every time someone was killed by a drunk driver we'd have to bring back Prohibition.

/stupid law
 
2013-02-05 10:01:43 AM  
Well then I guess you will just have to make a packy run on the way home from work, eh?

Am I showing my age with that, or is that still a thing? Damn kids.
 
2013-02-05 10:01:47 AM  

nekom: And here I thought Pennsylvania had the wonkiest liquor laws.  Must be a Commonwealth thing.


Nope, Kentucky is a Commonwealth and has happy hours.  Its liquor laws are stupid in a different direction, a bizarre patchwork with each county able to set its own rules (and towns within counties having rules within rules).  With 120 counties, it's a mess.

"Commonwealth" is just a title, part of the formal name of the state.  It really doesn't legally change anything about the laws, it's just an urban legend that it does.

The only reason I knew about the Happy Hour ban in Massachusetts was it was mentioned once in passing on an old episode of Cheers.  Since the show was set in a bar in Boston, and in one episode they put up a suggestion box, and somebody suggested happy hours, and another character shot it down mentioning that they are illegal in that state.
 
2013-02-05 10:01:54 AM  
Read an interesting story by Gerald Durrell about a small South American town he was staying in during the 1950s that set the closing hours of the bars to 6:00 p.m. in order to try to curb drunkeness. Of course what happens is everyone gets off work at 5:30 and then starts frantically drinking as much in 30 minutes as they would have over the course of the whole night.
 
2013-02-05 10:04:05 AM  

Theaetetus: Location:Gaithersburg, MDYeah.


Damn.  I lived in the Oakwood corporate housing place across from the Rio for like two years (consulting to NIH/NCI).  We could have done happy hour!  But that was before my Farking days.
 
2013-02-05 10:04:18 AM  
Ugh, as if having to live with those godawful accents wasn't bad enough... Poor Massholes
 
2013-02-05 10:04:26 AM  

WTF Indeed: Pennsylvania's laws are only wonky to people who don't plan ahead.


Yes, because having different stores for different types of alcohol, and even different quantities of alcohol (I'm looking at you, cases of beer), makes perfect sense.   Imagine if PA gas stations operated on the same principles.  Gas stations that only allow you to fill up your tank, and then other stations where you can only get less than a fill up.

Not to mention that the PA alcohol prices are ridiculous.   I'm glad I live close to two borders (PA/NJ and PA/DE).  Any time I purchase alcohol (which is infrequently), I cross the border, buy what I want at reasonable prices, and in quantities that work for me instead of the corrupt, ridiculous system that's in place.
 
2013-02-05 10:05:07 AM  

ChrisDe: Never knew. I expected this crap in the Bible Belt, not Massachusetts.


That's because you're a bigoted moron.
 
2013-02-05 10:06:55 AM  

kronicfeld: antidisestablishmentarianism: Wow, some people don't have happy hour?

Maybe I'm confused, but do these states actually have laws stating that alcohol cannot be sold at different prices at different times of day?





Nothing to see here. Keep moving citizen.
 
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