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(The Smoking Jacket)   Your favorite cable stations will inevitably go the way of Syfy and MTV and sell out. Here's how it will go down   (thesmokingjacket.com) divider line 63
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2013-02-05 01:50:13 AM
Selling out implies that someone was in it for anything other than the money
 
2013-02-05 02:15:41 AM
Some town somewhere needs to dig out their cable TV contract which will state in very strong language that the local cable company must provide educational channels with specific topics and then tell the cable company they no longer have a monopoly. Of course that should have been done two decades ago but better now than never.
 
2013-02-05 12:04:37 PM

Mangoose: Selling out implies that someone was in it for anything other than the money


exactly.

Who would spend millions and millions of dollars on building a channel and not want to see some return on that investment?
 
2013-02-05 12:06:52 PM
Espn turned to shiat years ago when they started doing more human interest stories than reporting on sports
 
2013-02-05 12:07:17 PM
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2013-02-05 12:09:56 PM
No Hitler pie wedge on the History Channel?!

www.phdcomics.com hasn't even watched the History channel.
 
2013-02-05 12:10:03 PM
6. Disney Channel

Disney's purchase of LucasFilm will result in several new TV shows to generate revenue. Soon a Star Wars themed show will appear and draw in male fans of all ages. Demand will be so high Disney will seek out other scifi properties to keep the audience watching. Before long the kid programming will be shoved into a smaller and smaller slot and Battlestar Gallactica, Star Trek, Dr. Who and other series take up more and more time.
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2013-02-05 12:14:53 PM
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2013-02-05 12:50:11 PM
My favorite is "Fat Guy and Hot Wife"

And where is M.A.S.H. and Law and Order?
 
2013-02-05 12:58:37 PM
4) HBO (and you might as well toss in showtime)

I dont really buy this one. The shows which I like on these channels are AMAZING.
Each year there seems to be a new show replacing the dead or dying shows.
Homeland - WTF, why did I take so long to start watching this?
The Newsroom - Sorkin is god.
The Game of Thrones - Are you kidding me!!! Can you imagine network even pretending to try something like this??

I dont expect to like every show on a channel, but these channels have been consistent at keeping my attention and my subscriber dollars.

SYFY
Cracks my up how much I used to watch this channel when it was SciFi and how little I watch it now.
B5, BSG, SG-1, SG-A, SGU, Farscape
These were/are some of my all time favorite shows.
(lesser and signs of death to come were: warehouse 13, eureka, )
Back in the old days, SciFi channel would have possibly picked up: Firefly, Dollhouse, Sarah Connor Chronicles, hell, even Carnivale.

so
while the article is predicting regression to the mean (more terrible reality shows), what we have actually been seeing over the last decade is the golden age of cable shows.
My guess is that there will continue to be a market for the great writing shows, esp with paid subscribers and a much larger market for the marching morons.

Who watches network these days?? I would love to see a crosstab by IQ and shows watched.
 
2013-02-05 01:00:33 PM

namatad: Carnivale.


Oh that would have been fun.
 
2013-02-05 01:26:03 PM
My biggest gripe right now is with the new live-action shows on Cartoon Network and adult swim.
 
2013-02-05 01:38:51 PM
Project status of transitioning all cable channels to more profitable, similar reality/trash programming

Completed:
The Learning Channel TLC
A&E
Discovery
History Channel
MTV
VH1
Food Network
Sci Fi SyFy
Tech TV G4

Next up:
FX
AMC
Cartoon Network CN
 
2013-02-05 01:39:15 PM
I like how The Science Channel now shows Firefly and Fringe and BBC America shows more Star Trek: TNG and BSG than SyFy.
 
2013-02-05 01:46:41 PM

NeoCortex42: I like how The Science Channel now shows Firefly and Fringe and BBC America shows more Star Trek: TNG and BSG than SyFy.


I found it odd that many people who decry the death of actual informational content on Discovery, TLC, etc were the first ones to get excited about Firefly showing up on the Science channel. Firefly has about as much to do with actual science as ice road truckers have to do with actual history.
 
2013-02-05 01:57:48 PM

bsharitt: NeoCortex42: I like how The Science Channel now shows Firefly and Fringe and BBC America shows more Star Trek: TNG and BSG than SyFy.

I found it odd that many people who decry the death of actual informational content on Discovery, TLC, etc were the first ones to get excited about Firefly showing up on the Science channel. Firefly has about as much to do with actual science as ice road truckers have to do with actual history.


I love Firefly and recently got into Fringe, but sometimes I just want to watch How It's Made for a few hours or a couple episodes of Dark Matters.
 
2013-02-05 02:19:29 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Project status of transitioning all cable channels to more profitable, similar reality/trash programming

Completed:
The Learning Channel TLC
A&E
Discovery
History Channel
MTV
VH1
Food Network
Sci Fi SyFy
Tech TV G4

Next up:
FX
AMC
Cartoon Network CN


Personally I wonder when the reality show bubble is going to burst.

All cable channels slowly transition from niche interest, cultural, or educational programming to the same sort of generic trash reality programming.  But we have to reach a saturation point for this kind of stuff where there just isn't an audience for one more cable reality show channel.
 
2013-02-05 02:20:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mangoose: Selling out implies that someone was in it for anything other than the money

exactly.

Who would spend millions and millions of dollars on building a channel and not want to see some return on that investment?


"I'm so disappointed that Nickelodeon sold out! It's like Viacom doesn't care about the craft of children's television!"

I consider it a privilege to have grown up with the most progressive cartoon ever:  Rugrats.
 
2013-02-05 02:22:35 PM
I will finally kill DISH network for good once TCM goes the way of the big sucky.

If À la carte programming was a thing It and Epix Drive-in and HBO (and only when Boardwalk Empire is on) would be the only channels I'd sub to.

the rest I can handily suffice without quite satisfactorily.

/The list used to be much longer but...well.
 
2013-02-05 02:25:08 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Project status of transitioning all cable channels to more profitable, similar reality/trash programming

Completed:
The Learning Channel TLC
A&E
Discovery
History Channel
MTV
VH1
Food Network
Sci Fi SyFy
Tech TV G4

In Progress:

History 2

Next up:
FX
AMC
Cartoon NetworkrafTFY
 
2013-02-05 02:26:50 PM

Doc Daneeka: Personally I wonder when the reality show bubble is going to burst.


When customers are cancelling cable to order scripted shows a-la-carte, and content creators and distributors are loudly biatching about "piracy".

To an extent, it's happening. I doubt, though, that the reality/trash TV model will cease to be the dominant one any time soon.

bsharitt: I found it odd that many people who decry the death of actual informational content on Discovery, TLC, etc were the first ones to get excited about Firefly showing up on the Science channel. Firefly has about as much to do with actual science as ice road truckers have to do with actual history


When Joss Whedon farts, Firefly fans swear he said he's going to bring back the show.
http://www.fark.com/comments/7575531/Not-News-People-miss-Firefly-Ne ws -Joss-Whedon-posts-unexplained-picture-of-Firefly-Owner-Monthly-magazi ne-on-Facebook-Fark-Getting-most-out-of-your-bunk-article-included
As with most obsessions, it pretty much overrules any other concern. I guess at least Firefly is not a trashy reality show.
 
2013-02-05 02:37:17 PM
It always starts with an exec stuck at a Genre station, who always wanted to head up a major network like NBC... so they begin removing as many signs it is a genre station as possible, which usually means bringing in crappy reality shows (or in SyFy's case, 'willingly' taking on USA Network's wrestling overflow). Rinse, repeat... until the station no longer resembles what it started as, and you'e chased away the base viewers (or strung them along with a few remaining shows, since they have no alternative channels to fit their genre).

This pattern is unfortunately true. MTV execs in the 90s stumbled into the pattern, then Bonnie Hammer refined it and parlayed the genre-destroying strategy into bigger jobs, being rewarded for killing off the channels she headed.


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2013-02-05 02:41:51 PM
The Science Channel has become unwatchable lately, especially on the weekends.
Seems like every time I tune in it's
An Idiot Abroad
Fringe
Oddities
Firefly
Survivorman

No thanks.

/And that f*cking commercial that uses the music to "We Built This City"
 
2013-02-05 02:44:30 PM

NeoCortex42: I like how The Science Channel now shows Firefly and Fringe and BBC America shows more Star Trek: TNG and BSG than SyFy.


Yeah, and BBC America shows that shiat instead of showing real British programming.

It's farking pitiful that a local Washington DC PBS station shows more British programming on their UK-dedicated subchannel than the channel run by the motherfarking BBC.
 
2013-02-05 03:02:06 PM
Have you ever wondered  why it is that MTV doesn't play music videos anymore?
 
2013-02-05 03:07:03 PM
BET.   I'm white, so maybe it's to be expected that this was never a favorite channel of mine, but what really ruined it was that they blurred out any marijuana that was being smoked in any movie.  Hey, BET, you're not hiding drug use from anyone.  We all know what that blurry thing being passed around is.

Fox News:  Who cares?  They did get rid of Glenn Beck though which was a huge improvement.  OTOH they did hire Glenn Beck in the first place.

ESPN:  Who cares?

HBO:  I don't believe it will turn to crap.

IFC:  It turned to crap when they started airing commercials.

Disney:  Only people with kids care.

Nickolodeon:  See Disney
 
2013-02-05 03:13:55 PM

FirstNationalBastard: NeoCortex42: I like how The Science Channel now shows Firefly and Fringe and BBC America shows more Star Trek: TNG and BSG than SyFy.

Yeah, and BBC America shows that shiat instead of showing real British programming.

It's farking pitiful that a local Washington DC PBS station shows more British programming on their UK-dedicated subchannel than the channel run by the motherfarking BBC.


BBC America was always a balance of British and US programming anyways.  British accented people on US shows(TNG), British copies of US shows(L&O UK), reruns of British shows that are on US broadcast television(Merlin, Whose Line Is It Anyway), Doctor Who, etc.
 
2013-02-05 03:19:48 PM
Maybe the pendulum will swing back when there are thirty generic channels some one will happen on the bright idea of focusing on one area to distinguish themselves.
 
2013-02-05 03:40:10 PM
And, for the two or three of you currently pondering, "What in the world is Epix Drive-In?", here's short and probably-safe-for-work educational film.
 
2013-02-05 03:46:13 PM

namatad: SYFY
Cracks me up how much I used to watch this channel when it was SciFi and how little I watch it now.


In summation.
 
2013-02-05 04:21:05 PM
What I dont get about Syfy is that they never had at any one point a large number of original scifi programs.  Looking back there was probably at most in 2000-1 6 shows that were original air/fresh imports.... They currently are at 5 soon to be 6.  The rest of the old airing schedule was devoted to reruns/movies.  I just wonder what  the profit differential is in creating bad reality tv (which turn off your base) vs franchise fees of off the air rarely asked for reruns of 60-80's shows.
 
2013-02-05 04:23:36 PM

DON.MAC: Some town somewhere needs to dig out their cable TV contract which will state in very strong language that the local cable company must provide educational channels with specific topics and then tell the cable company they no longer have a monopoly. Of course that should have been done two decades ago but better now than never.


"AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!"

with the little 'E/I' tag in the corner of the screen.
See? Educational.
 
2013-02-05 04:23:58 PM

proteon: Have you ever wondered why it is that MTV doesn't play music videos anymore?


While YouTube and similar sites have totally killed the need for dedicated music channels, the complaint was that MTV moved away from dedicated music programming long before such services existed.

Now with MTV, VH1 and MuchMusic, it is kinda like "what's the point"?  All of them are increasingly playing more and more generic programming.  At least MuchMusic has the CRTC to keep it somewhat legitimate.  Viacom can dumb down MTV and VH1 however much it wants.
 
kab
2013-02-05 04:30:32 PM
The 'sell out' as it were, has already started on a good chunk of those, namely IFC (commercials), and ESPN drastlcally narrowing the range of sports they show.

G4 has been a joke for years now, and Fuel TV is also fairly unrecognizable compared to what it was 1 or 2 years ago.  Speedvision isn't even a shell of its former self (oops, my bad... SpeedTV)

HBO will stay as they are as long as they maintain their show standard...I'm pretty sure they realize that they don't have subscribers for the movies they show.  And if they fall by the wayside, someone like Starz will take their place.
 
2013-02-05 04:31:18 PM
I like how the wrasslin' is on SyFy. Because steroids are science, and the fighting isn't real.
 
2013-02-05 04:44:20 PM

Saiga410: What I dont get about Syfy is that they never had at any one point a large number of original scifi programs.  Looking back there was probably at most in 2000-1 6 shows that were original air/fresh imports.... They currently are at 5 soon to be 6.  The rest of the old airing schedule was devoted to reruns/movies.  I just wonder what  the profit differential is in creating bad reality tv (which turn off your base) vs franchise fees of off the air rarely asked for reruns of 60-80's shows.


I'm sure the costs are similar, but it's pretty clear that ratings from these reality shows are significantly higher than the reruns.  In the DVR age, reruns of any show just don't pull viewers anymore.  Why would I watch a rerun of some old show when nothing else is on when I can just pull up a new episode of something I haven't gotten to yet?

Another big factor is that there's a lot more competition now for syndication rights from the streaming services.  Streaming has become the new big venue for reruns because they allow for on-demand viewing.  I'm not going to tune in to Syfy at 5:00 everyday to catch some random episode of ST:TNG when I can just jump on Netflix and watch whichever episode I want.  The only non-comedy reruns that seem to be able to find an audience nowadays are currently airing (or recently aired) CBS shows or Law & Order.  Every other show is going to Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon because that's how viewers want to watch their reruns.
 
2013-02-05 04:50:42 PM
Favorite...cable...station?
 
2013-02-05 04:51:40 PM
I'm glad that Comedy Central still sticks to its mission.
 
2013-02-05 04:59:14 PM
A) this was, at best, mediocre parody
and
2) IFC stopped being indie when they started running non-indie movies and Malcolm In The Middle. A popular network sitcom that lasted 7 years isn't terribly independent.
 
2013-02-05 05:08:13 PM

rugman11: Saiga410: What I dont get about Syfy is that they never had at any one point a large number of original scifi programs.  Looking back there was probably at most in 2000-1 6 shows that were original air/fresh imports.... They currently are at 5 soon to be 6.  The rest of the old airing schedule was devoted to reruns/movies.  I just wonder what  the profit differential is in creating bad reality tv (which turn off your base) vs franchise fees of off the air rarely asked for reruns of 60-80's shows.

I'm sure the costs are similar, but it's pretty clear that ratings from these reality shows are significantly higher than the reruns.  In the DVR age, reruns of any show just don't pull viewers anymore.  Why would I watch a rerun of some old show when nothing else is on when I can just pull up a new episode of something I haven't gotten to yet?

Another big factor is that there's a lot more competition now for syndication rights from the streaming services.  Streaming has become the new big venue for reruns because they allow for on-demand viewing.  I'm not going to tune in to Syfy at 5:00 everyday to catch some random episode of ST:TNG when I can just jump on Netflix and watch whichever episode I want.  The only non-comedy reruns that seem to be able to find an audience nowadays are currently airing (or recently aired) CBS shows or Law & Order.  Every other show is going to Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon because that's how viewers want to watch their reruns.


I also forgot to mention that original programming has a lot of ancillary revenue streams that reruns don't, including international sales, DVD sales, and syndication sales of their own.  Owning your own content is always better than leasing somebody else's.
 
2013-02-05 05:19:39 PM

rugman11: rugman11: Saiga410: What I dont get about Syfy is that they never had at any one point a large number of original scifi programs.  Looking back there was probably at most in 2000-1 6 shows that were original air/fresh imports.... They currently are at 5 soon to be 6.  The rest of the old airing schedule was devoted to reruns/movies.  I just wonder what  the profit differential is in creating bad reality tv (which turn off your base) vs franchise fees of off the air rarely asked for reruns of 60-80's shows.

I'm sure the costs are similar, but it's pretty clear that ratings from these reality shows are significantly higher than the reruns.  In the DVR age, reruns of any show just don't pull viewers anymore.  Why would I watch a rerun of some old show when nothing else is on when I can just pull up a new episode of something I haven't gotten to yet?

Another big factor is that there's a lot more competition now for syndication rights from the streaming services.  Streaming has become the new big venue for reruns because they allow for on-demand viewing.  I'm not going to tune in to Syfy at 5:00 everyday to catch some random episode of ST:TNG when I can just jump on Netflix and watch whichever episode I want.  The only non-comedy reruns that seem to be able to find an audience nowadays are currently airing (or recently aired) CBS shows or Law & Order.  Every other show is going to Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon because that's how viewers want to watch their reruns.

I also forgot to mention that original programming has a lot of ancillary revenue streams that reruns don't, including international sales, DVD sales, and syndication sales of their own.  Owning your own content is always better than leasing somebody else's.


Thanks that actually helps me understand the shift over to reality shows... though it does not excuse the rassl'n.

On streaming old TV shows, I completely understand how there is no audience for it.  I just finished wathing all of Earth2 (my god that show sucked and the only redeeming person was played by Clancy Brown) and has started Seaquest and will probably move over to Quantum Leap after that.
 
2013-02-05 05:22:30 PM
Portlandia tried to change MTV back

http://youtu.be/yDZu-dgaaF0?t=6m30s
 
2013-02-05 05:39:08 PM

Saiga410: and has started Seaquest


I was so pissed off when they canceled that show in the middle of the third season. The last episode is a cliffhanger..and then...nothing.
 
2013-02-05 05:48:30 PM
As long as it doesn't happen to TCM, I'm good.
 
2013-02-05 05:51:52 PM

rugman11: In the DVR age, reruns of any show just don't pull viewers anymore. Why would I watch a rerun of some old show when nothing else is on when I can just pull up a new episode of something I haven't gotten to yet?


Why don't you ask Cartoon Network/Adult Swim?  Their highest rated shows are reruns and they've brought 2 cancelled shows back on the air because of the ratings they generated.
 
2013-02-05 05:56:04 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Tech TV G4


G4 is changing once again.  probably going to be called GQ soon.  No more AOTS or X-Play.  all they got now is Cops, Campus PD, Ninja Warrior and Knight Rider.
 
2013-02-05 06:02:06 PM

Saiga410: rugman11: rugman11: Saiga410: What I dont get about Syfy is that they never had at any one point a large number of original scifi programs.  Looking back there was probably at most in 2000-1 6 shows that were original air/fresh imports.... They currently are at 5 soon to be 6.  The rest of the old airing schedule was devoted to reruns/movies.  I just wonder what  the profit differential is in creating bad reality tv (which turn off your base) vs franchise fees of off the air rarely asked for reruns of 60-80's shows.

I'm sure the costs are similar, but it's pretty clear that ratings from these reality shows are significantly higher than the reruns.  In the DVR age, reruns of any show just don't pull viewers anymore.  Why would I watch a rerun of some old show when nothing else is on when I can just pull up a new episode of something I haven't gotten to yet?

Another big factor is that there's a lot more competition now for syndication rights from the streaming services.  Streaming has become the new big venue for reruns because they allow for on-demand viewing.  I'm not going to tune in to Syfy at 5:00 everyday to catch some random episode of ST:TNG when I can just jump on Netflix and watch whichever episode I want.  The only non-comedy reruns that seem to be able to find an audience nowadays are currently airing (or recently aired) CBS shows or Law & Order.  Every other show is going to Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon because that's how viewers want to watch their reruns.

I also forgot to mention that original programming has a lot of ancillary revenue streams that reruns don't, including international sales, DVD sales, and syndication sales of their own.  Owning your own content is always better than leasing somebody else's.

Thanks that actually helps me understand the shift over to reality shows... though it does not excuse the rassl'n.

On streaming old TV shows, I completely understand how there is no audience for it.  I just finished wathing all of Earth2 (my god ...


Yes, but you have to remember... In the case of Siffy, Universal/NBC/Comcast owns that network. And what sci-fi/fantasy shows do they own they could show? Quantum Leap, Sliders, Night Gallery, Amazing Stories, Battlestar Galactica (both versions), Six Million Dollar Man, Bionic Woman, Incredible Hulk, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, Swamp Thing, SeaQuest, Xena, Hercules, Eureka, Warehouse 13... the list goes on. And the Universal Movie Vault includes the classic Frankenstein and Dracula Movies, Duel, and tons of other actual Sci-Fi/Fantasy movies.

They could make an actual Sci-Fi channel with their vault alone, and use the reruns to pimp DVDs and things like that. But, no, 23 hours of Wrestling Ghost Hunters is a better programming idea.
 
2013-02-05 06:02:35 PM
The Independent Film Channel is a hub for high brow and under-respected indie films for a high class audience.


Bullshiat. IFC sold out years ago. First they started showing adds between shows. Next, they gave in to their critics and started editing shows. Finally, in the last few years, they have started inserting their commercials into the middle of the edited shows. Nothing special about IFC anymore. I have Sundance for highbrow stuff, and SonyHD and others for my movies. I've quit watching the "Independent Commercial Channel".
 
2013-02-05 06:04:37 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 600x700]


Yeah, I miss the old days. Granted the took a fark ton of commercial breaks, and they prefaced them with 2 minutes of "Coming up" bullshiat, and followed them with 2 minutes of "before the break" bullshiat, but at least there was some learning involved. Now it's all reality TV and Hitler. Granted, at least WWII is an interesting historical time, and there was a lot of technological innovation, but holy farking Christ, ENOUGH with reality TV.
 
2013-02-05 06:08:36 PM
submitter, why do we pretend that this is an impending action, and instead come to the realization that it has already happened.
 
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