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2013-02-05 08:30:39 AM  

nerftaig: way south: /Just that "god" will be played by the part of Richard Dawkins or yourself.
/...tho there are man centric religions too.

I don't think the comparison between worship of the self and worship of an external entity is a fair one. Worship of an outside force is linked inextricably with obeisance, and self "worship" does not have that downside.


Good insight.
 
2013-02-05 08:30:51 AM  

domo_kun_sai: The problem I always had with the original 10 commandments was the Supreme being wasted a lot on "Hey don't disrespect me". I mean really, God sends down rules and he is obsessed with people loving him.


Helped maintain the idea of monotheism to a tiny minority of people for millennia. I wonder if we'd all be polyrheistic pagans if Jews didn't have those first few commandments.
 
2013-02-05 08:31:47 AM  
What people like AverageAmericanTroll fail to grasp is that atheists also do not believe that Satan exists. Bad things happen in this world because bad human beings make them happen, and quite often they use "I'm doing God's Will" as an excuse for their bad behavior.
 
2013-02-05 08:33:51 AM  

WordyGrrl: What people like AverageAmericanTroll fail to grasp is that atheists also do not believe that Satan exists. Bad things happen in this world because bad human beings make them happen, and quite often they use "I'm doing God's Will" as an excuse for their bad behavior.


I'm pretty sure that we humans haven't done anything to cause harlequin fetuses.

If you don't know what that is, don't GIS it at work.

//not safe for faith in a loving God
 
2013-02-05 08:34:52 AM  
I'm not so much an atheist as an anti-theist. Damn the gods, as flies we are to them; they kill us for their sport. We should wipe them out when we get the chance.
 
2013-02-05 08:36:05 AM  
So, is impaling babies on spikes still OK then?

/cake or death?
 
2013-02-05 08:36:16 AM  

Nurglitch: I'm not so much an atheist as an anti-theist. Damn the gods, as flies we are to them; they kill us for their sport. We should wipe them out when we get the chance.


We're still trying to work out just how to fire missiles at right-angles to reality.
 
2013-02-05 08:44:10 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: There is but one atheist commandment: reject belief in a God.

All else is handwaving and bluster.

You left something out. Slight difference, there.

Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to reject that others can believe in God. Just that you reject God.

Dude, you trollin' again? I accept that others' belief in God exists. I have none. I reject the concept as unsupported by reason or evidence.

Of course, if I did accept the existence of the Christian god, I would still reject it. I don't like genocide half as much as that asshole.

Refuse to believe in God, Reject God. Eh. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.


How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.
 
2013-02-05 08:46:32 AM  

jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: There is but one atheist commandment: reject belief in a God.

All else is handwaving and bluster.

You left something out. Slight difference, there.

Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to reject that others can believe in God. Just that you reject God.

Dude, you trollin' again? I accept that others' belief in God exists. I have none. I reject the concept as unsupported by reason or evidence.

Of course, if I did accept the existence of the Christian god, I would still reject it. I don't like genocide half as much as that asshole.

Refuse to believe in God, Reject God. Eh. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.


Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?
 
2013-02-05 08:46:51 AM  
Joe Peanut - So, is impaling babies on spikes still OK then?
/cake or death
?

I didn't realize there would be such a run on cake!
 
2013-02-05 08:48:13 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: There is but one atheist commandment: reject belief in a God.

All else is handwaving and bluster.

You left something out. Slight difference, there.

Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to reject that others can believe in God. Just that you reject God.

Dude, you trollin' again? I accept that others' belief in God exists. I have none. I reject the concept as unsupported by reason or evidence.

Of course, if I did accept the existence of the Christian god, I would still reject it. I don't like genocide half as much as that asshole.

Refuse to believe in God, Reject God. Eh. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?


Only grudgingly. It depresses me.
 
2013-02-05 08:48:32 AM  

jso2897: Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly?


I'm stealing that.

Belief is mostly on auto-pilot. I'm either convinced of something, or not.
 
2013-02-05 08:50:12 AM  
Ugh.  Alain de Button?  Really?  This guy is one of the most aggravating, empty-headed accommodationists among well-known atheists.  This is a guy who desperately wants atheism be like religion, and model it after quasi-secular humanist values, because apparently he misses all the empty rhetoric, rituals and structure of organized religion.  And then he gets all pissy when a lot of atheists point out the obvious: that atheism isn't a religion, and a lot of us don't want anything to do with de Button's efforts to cope with the misplaced nostalgia he has for Sunday mass.

Atheism is simply a disbelief in the supernatural, you're kinda on your own to figure out your personal life philosophy after that.
 
2013-02-05 08:52:25 AM  

aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.


And you refuse to also believe?
 
2013-02-05 08:52:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: There is but one atheist commandment: reject belief in a God.

All else is handwaving and bluster.

You left something out. Slight difference, there.

Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to reject that others can believe in God. Just that you reject God.

Dude, you trollin' again? I accept that others' belief in God exists. I have none. I reject the concept as unsupported by reason or evidence.

Of course, if I did accept the existence of the Christian god, I would still reject it. I don't like genocide half as much as that asshole.

Refuse to believe in God, Reject God. Eh. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?


I accept that there are people who say they do - and I can't question it, because I have no real idea of what they are talking about. If someone said they believed in "Bippityboppityboo" I wouldn't be in any position to argue with them, either.
 
2013-02-05 08:55:03 AM  
Here's a pretty good list of guiding principles from an atheist-friendly church.

The inherent worth and dignity of every person;Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
 
2013-02-05 08:55:52 AM  

DubtodaIll: This guy's right and so is everyone else in this thread.  Religion is just silly! All it's ever done is provide a structure for the complex questions that each and every person feels deep within their own being! I mean, who gives a crap about that stuff?


Bullshiat, there is not a single question "deep within my own being" that requires some invisible friend to tell me the answer to. "Why am I here?" A random sequence of amino acids came together in such a sequence that I turned out to be a human, rather than delicious bacon.

"Should I kill that guy?" No, if I am allowed to go around killing random dudes, other random dudes are within their rights to kill me as well, and that would suck. Do onto others, etc...
 
2013-02-05 08:56:30 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?


If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands
 
2013-02-05 08:57:40 AM  

Zugswang: Ugh.  Alain de Button?  Really?  This guy is one of the most aggravating, empty-headed accommodationists among well-known atheists.  This is a guy who desperately wants atheism be like religion, and model it after quasi-secular humanist values, because apparently he misses all the empty rhetoric, rituals and structure of organized religion.  And then he gets all pissy when a lot of atheists point out the obvious: that atheism isn't a religion, and a lot of us don't want anything to do with de Button's efforts to cope with the misplaced nostalgia he has for Sunday mass.

Atheism is simply a disbelief in the supernatural, you're kinda on your own to figure out your personal life philosophy after that.


I'm unfamiliar with the man himself, but the symptoms he displays can certainly be seen in many Fark posters I otherwise respect: defacto atheists or agnostics, many of which have mostly freed themselves from religion, but nonetheless cannot shake off that misplaced and unearned sense of respect for it.

It's very much like a scar upon one's ability to reason.
 
2013-02-05 08:58:44 AM  
Thou shalt not murder, lie, steal, ... LULZ just kidding (only retards would be dumb enough to fall for that stuff)

1.  We own Science, so be sure to use a smug tone when condescending to the muggles "aka religious folk"
2.  We own Logic and Reason, so constantly remind the religious people how irrational they are.
3.  The only things that deserve worship is that beautiful most perfect person In The Mirror, and if you have time give praise to the saints Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Nietzsche, PZ Meyers, etc..
4.  It's OK to pretend to tolerate the lesser of our kind who invoke the saying "I'm OK you're OK", since they are the only way we can infiltrate the religious and  subvert their moral base, but in the end just remember not to make it too obvious that you are pretending, even morans will accidentally notice if you over do it.
5.  Openly mock the religious people and slander them by any means possible.  But worry not, the retards aren't intelligent enough to notice, and even the ones that do think they must be polite when taking abuse, lulz, so let them have it don't hold back.
6.  I'm OK you're OK.  (wink wink nudge nudge)
7.  Hate God with all your Body, Spirit and Mind
8.  Nature is stuff you can touch with your tongue.
9.  Sex, drugs and rock n roll... FOR SCIENCE!!1! vote democrat
10.   Kill all the Christians and any sympathizers, lolz just kidding, I'm OK you're OK, seriously though yeah.
 
2013-02-05 08:58:58 AM  
Is this where the atheist "we're better than religious people" wank is going on?

/because sky wizards and science and stuff, right guys?
 
2013-02-05 09:00:44 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?

If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands


Forget it; he's trollin'.

He knows perfectly well that conflating the two concepts is a highly effective way to push an atheist's buttons.
 
2013-02-05 09:01:12 AM  
aagrajag:  We're still trying to work out just how to fire missiles at right-angles to reality.

We almost had it before Glenn Beck's reality distortion field crapped out on us. It still might be worth firing a missile at him just to see what happens.
 
2013-02-05 09:01:50 AM  
Uggghhh... de Botton again. I really can't stand that guy and his incessant need to make atheism as ritualistic as organized religions. This is the same guy who suggested that atheists should go to atheist church so they can have the same sense of ritual and community that organized religions do.

DammitIForgotMyLogin: As an atheist, there's really only one "commandment" I try to live my life by.

Don't be an asshat (except on Fark)


That's all you need. Pretty much every positive aspect of society can be derived from this very simple rule.
 
2013-02-05 09:04:13 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?

If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands


Are you comparing a physical thing (a check) with a spiritual thing (God)?
 
2013-02-05 09:04:26 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: Ah yes, this guy.


Aaaannnndddd, I see you beat me to the punch with a much more thorough explanation of this guy than I gave. ;)
 
2013-02-05 09:04:41 AM  

Joe Peanut: So, is impaling babies on spikes still OK then?

/cake or death?


Only if you are sacking Harfleur.


/once more unto the breach
 
2013-02-05 09:04:41 AM  

I drunk what: Thou shalt not murder, lie, steal, ... LULZ just kidding (only retards would be dumb enough to fall for that stuff)

1.  We own Science, so be sure to use a smug tone when condescending to the muggles "aka religious folk"
2.  We own Logic and Reason, so constantly remind the religious people how irrational they are.
3.  The only things that deserve worship is that beautiful most perfect person In The Mirror, and if you have time give praise to the saints Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Nietzsche, PZ Meyers, etc..
4.  It's OK to pretend to tolerate the lesser of our kind who invoke the saying "I'm OK you're OK", since they are the only way we can infiltrate the religious and  subvert their moral base, but in the end just remember not to make it too obvious that you are pretending, even morans will accidentally notice if you over do it.
5.  Openly mock the religious people and slander them by any means possible.  But worry not, the retards aren't intelligent enough to notice, and even the ones that do think they must be polite when taking abuse, lulz, so let them have it don't hold back.
6.  I'm OK you're OK.  (wink wink nudge nudge)
7.  Hate God with all your Body, Spirit and Mind
8.  Nature is stuff you can touch with your tongue.
9.  Sex, drugs and rock n roll... FOR SCIENCE!!1! vote democrat
10.   Kill all the Christians and any sympathizers, lolz just kidding, I'm OK you're OK, seriously though yeah.


Makes as much sense to me as any other set of "commandments" - which is to say, none at all.
For the concept of a "commandment" to be meaningful to me, the questions "Who is doing the commanding, and on the basis of what authority?" would have to be answered. I can neither accept nor reject that which is meaningless to me.
 
2013-02-05 09:04:53 AM  

SewerSquirrels: aagrajag:  We're still trying to work out just how to fire missiles at right-angles to reality.

We almost had it before Glenn Beck's reality distortion field crapped out on us. It still might be worth firing a missile at him just to see what happens.


I think he's operating in something more akin to an SEP-field, personally.

I wouldn't recommend it; the effects could be unpredictable.
 
2013-02-05 09:07:33 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?

If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands

Are you comparing a physical thing (a check) with a spiritual thing (God)?


Note that AverageAmericanGuy has now subtly shifted the argument such that it now rests upon the definition of "spiritual". Which is easily one of the most vague, hazy concepts evar. You can't win here, guys.
 
2013-02-05 09:07:39 AM  
First (and only) Commandment: Try not to be a dick.*


*We don't insist that you succeed every time, so long as it was an honest attempt.
 
2013-02-05 09:09:04 AM  
The way atheism seems to be presented strikes as more anti-theism.   I would imagine most atheist really have no problem with belief in a god and are really just upset at the practice of religion.

Bill Maher is an excellent example.  He doesn't seem to be atheist, more anti-religion.  I am tending to go the other way in my life and would almost deem myself an alltheist.  I have always found it interesting that mankind of all ages and locations (even isolated) come to believe that there is something out there greater than ourselves.  I have no problem believing in god or that a god exists; my problem lies with religions and their practices.  I never understood why every religion claims their god/deity is infinite in power but finite in name.

I think a world without god would be a horrible place;  a world without religions (in current form) would be a good start.
 
2013-02-05 09:11:09 AM  

Hyjamon: The way atheism seems to be presented strikes as more anti-theism.   I would imagine most atheist really have no problem with belief in a god and are really just upset at the practice of religion.

Bill Maher is an excellent example.  He doesn't seem to be atheist, more anti-religion.  I am tending to go the other way in my life and would almost deem myself an alltheist.  I have always found it interesting that mankind of all ages and locations (even isolated) come to believe that there is something out there greater than ourselves.  I have no problem believing in god or that a god exists; my problem lies with religions and their practices.  I never understood why every religion claims their god/deity is infinite in power but finite in name.

I think a world without god would be a horrible place;  a world without religions (in current form) would be a good start.


That depends on the god. Frankly, I'd take the Shrike over Yahweh.
 
2013-02-05 09:11:29 AM  
The Eight "I'd really rather you didn'ts" anyone?
 
2013-02-05 09:13:14 AM  

I drunk what: lulz


Quit stealing Jon is teh kewl's shtick.
 
2013-02-05 09:13:18 AM  

aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?

If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands

Are you comparing a physical thing (a check) with a spiritual thing (God)?

Note that AverageAmericanGuy has now subtly shifted the argument such that it now rests upon the definition of "spiritual". Which is easily one of the most vague, hazy concepts evar. You can't win here, guys.


Is this a contest? What is to be "won" here? For my part, I'm always willing to give somebody a listen - but sometimes, people are not able to explain what they are talking about in a way that is meaningful to me.
This is not necessarily a failing on their part, either. I don't "reject" ideas that I simply lack the frame of reference to process. But, neither can I accept them.
 
2013-02-05 09:15:05 AM  

Hyjamon: I think a world without god would be a horrible place


Oh, I don't know about that. This universe seems pretty impressive so far. I'm sorry you think it's so horrible. ;)

/joking
//though from my perspective, the universe is wondeful and awesome, and I've never found any sign of any deity aside from stories told by other people
///but believe what you want as long as actions resulting from your beliefs don't infringe the rights of others; I'll do the same. :)
 
2013-02-05 09:16:50 AM  

Hyjamon: I think a world without god would be a horrible place;


The belief in a god is a symptom of a more rudimentary problem - a staggering lack of critical thinking and evidence-based investigation. While most theists manage to compartmentalize their theistic beliefs from most of their day-to-day decision making, the same ineptitude towards applying rational, logical thought patterns to other decisions in their lives is more likely to hamper their capacity to make wise ones. It's "faith based thinking" - superstitious thinking that one has to practice skepticism and critical thinking to override. If you're out of practice/habit in applying that on a regular basis, you're more likely to believe in a god, and more likely be making other poor decisions because you aren't regularly applying skepticism/critical thinking.

The world would be a much better place if people were rational, skeptical and critical thinkers. That would be mutually exclusive with a theistic world.
 
2013-02-05 09:17:16 AM  

Hyjamon: I think a world without god would be a horrible place


The thing is, whether the world would be a better place with a god or without one is entirely and completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not there actually is one
 
2013-02-05 09:17:28 AM  
Alain de Botton's 10 commandments for non-believers could be a civilising influence on modern life, says Judith Woods.
Who the FARK is this Alain ass hat and who cares what he, she, it says?
Who died and left him, she, it boss?  Who the hell is Judith Woods?  Is that the person I had hanging off the headboard a few weeks ago?  Mother Theresa's erring sister?

How about Arrogance?  Is that good?  Alain and Judith seem to be full of it so it must be good.


Alain de Botton's 'list for life'

Resilience: Keeping going even when things are looking dark.
Empathy: The capacity to connect imaginatively with the sufferings and unique experiences of another person.
Patience: We should grow calmer and more forgiving by being more realistic about how things actually happen.
Sacrifice: We won't ever manage to raise a family, love someone else or save the planet if we don't keep up with the art of sacrifice.
Politeness: Politeness is closely linked to tolerance, -the capacity to live alongside people whom one will never agree with, but at the same time, cannot avoid.
Humour: Like anger, humour springs from disappointment, but it is disappointment optimally channelled.
Self-awareness: To know oneself is to try not to blame others for one's troubles and moods; to have a sense of what's going on inside oneself, and what actually belongs to the world.Forgiveness: It's recognising that living with others is not possible without excusing errors.
Hope: Pessimism is not necessarily deep, nor optimism shallow.
Confidence: Confidence is not arrogance - rather, it is based on a constant awareness of how short life is and how little we will ultimately lose from risking everything.


I have lived long enough to understand the depth of meaning when one utters the words - Drop. Dead.
 
2013-02-05 09:17:45 AM  

jso2897: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?

If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands

Are you comparing a physical thing (a check) with a spiritual thing (God)?

Note that AverageAmericanGuy has now subtly shifted the argument such that it now rests upon the definition of "spiritual". Which is easily one of the most vague, hazy concepts evar. You can't win here, guys.

Is this a contest? What is to be "won" here? For my part, I'm always willing to give somebody a listen - but sometimes, people are not able to explain what they are talking about in a way that is meaningful to me.
This is not necessarily a failing on their part, either. I don't "reject" ideas that I simply lack the frame of reference to process. But, neither can I accept them.


AAG is a smart guy. He knows perfectly well what he's talking about, but feigns ignorance and an inability to unambiguously express himself, for that would end the game. He's already been clearly explained the difference that he professes to not understand, but pointedly ignores that.

Meh; it's a hobby.
 
2013-02-05 09:18:49 AM  
AKA: 10 ways to not be a pretentious twat.
 
2013-02-05 09:20:35 AM  

give me doughnuts: First (and only) Commandment: Try not to be a dick.


All else is commentary.
 
hej
2013-02-05 09:21:25 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dead for Tax Reasons: Thou shall not laugh at believers for talking to their invisible friend in the sky

I can't see your dick, does that mean it doesn't exist?

/ BURN, THREAD, BURN


Are you asking him to show it to you?
 
2013-02-05 09:27:17 AM  

Drasancas: Hyjamon: I think a world without god would be a horrible place;

The belief in a god is a symptom of a more rudimentary problem - a staggering lack of critical thinking and evidence-based investigation. While most theists manage to compartmentalize their theistic beliefs from most of their day-to-day decision making, the same ineptitude towards applying rational, logical thought patterns to other decisions in their lives is more likely to hamper their capacity to make wise ones. It's "faith based thinking" - superstitious thinking that one has to practice skepticism and critical thinking to override. If you're out of practice/habit in applying that on a regular basis, you're more likely to believe in a god, and more likely be making other poor decisions because you aren't regularly applying skepticism/critical thinking.

The world would be a much better place if people were rational, skeptical and critical thinkers. That would be mutually exclusive with a theistic world.


Wow, that's a mighty broad brush you're painting with. I think you might have painted over some of the details there.

/I disagree, categorically, that a belief in God and being a rational thinker are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-02-05 09:28:59 AM  
I have two rules.


·If you can't be a mensch, don't be a dick.


·Do not needlessly cause others pain.


That's all you need.
 
2013-02-05 09:30:28 AM  

aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: AverageAmericanGuy: aagrajag: AverageAmericanGuy: jso2897:

How can I "reject" that which I never possessed the capacity to accept to begin with? Would you say that I "refuse" to sprout wings and fly? It may not be as easy to comprehend what goes on in other people's heads as you seem to think it is.

Do you accept that there are people who believe in God?

Only grudgingly. It depresses me.

And you refuse to also believe?

If you're seriously leading up to the idea that not believing in the existence of something is the same as rejecting it, perhaps you'd let me know why you've rejected the check for $1m that I just placed in your hands

Are you comparing a physical thing (a check) with a spiritual thing (God)?

Note that AverageAmericanGuy has now subtly shifted the argument such that it now rests upon the definition of "spiritual". Which is easily one of the most vague, hazy concepts evar. You can't win here, guys.


can you touch it with your tongue? No. then it's not real and your an idiot who believes in unicorns, fairies and invisible sky wizards

you should not be allowed to own firearms

nice try religious retards
 
2013-02-05 09:30:56 AM  
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
 
2013-02-05 09:31:11 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dead for Tax Reasons: Thou shall not laugh at believers for talking to their invisible friend in the sky

I can't see your dick, does that mean it doesn't exist?

/ BURN, THREAD, BURN


I can show you my dick, shove it in your mouth where you can taste it, shove it in your ass where you can feel it. Now then how about your god, can I see your god? No? Feel it? No? Taste it? No? Smell it? No? Hear it? No?

You must be delusional then, because if you told me that you a had an invisible, intangible, unknowable aardvark I'd think they were delusional.
 
2013-02-05 09:32:45 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Drasancas: Hyjamon: I think a world without god would be a horrible place;

The belief in a god is a symptom of a more rudimentary problem - a staggering lack of critical thinking and evidence-based investigation. While most theists manage to compartmentalize their theistic beliefs from most of their day-to-day decision making, the same ineptitude towards applying rational, logical thought patterns to other decisions in their lives is more likely to hamper their capacity to make wise ones. It's "faith based thinking" - superstitious thinking that one has to practice skepticism and critical thinking to override. If you're out of practice/habit in applying that on a regular basis, you're more likely to believe in a god, and more likely be making other poor decisions because you aren't regularly applying skepticism/critical thinking.

The world would be a much better place if people were rational, skeptical and critical thinkers. That would be mutually exclusive with a theistic world.

Wow, that's a mighty broad brush you're painting with. I think you might have painted over some of the details there.

/I disagree, categorically, that a belief in God and being a rational thinker are mutually exclusive.


I see you capitalised that word. Humanity has believed in hundreds of thousands of gods, many of which cannot even co-exist in the same universe as described. Are they all equally likely to exist? Some must be sillier than others.

If a person tells me that an invisible being wants something from me, I require some proof of its reality. Pleasing all the world's gods just isn't possible.

Belief in a god is not intrinsically irrational, but it doesn't bode well for the lifestyle of the believer.
 
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