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2013-02-05 11:13:17 AM
That park is in my town.

Good for him.
 
2013-02-05 11:17:19 AM
All white people are technically Anchor Babies
 
2013-02-05 11:18:49 AM
Yeah, I really don't agree with that shiat. "We didn't invite none of you here. We're the only native Americans here."

I'm a native American, by the literal definition of the term. And I doubt me and my family are going to leave what has been our home for generations anytime soon.
 
2013-02-05 11:21:06 AM
Crazy Uncle Jimmy is back on the sauce again, huh?

Are those empties in that stroller?
 
2013-02-05 11:27:25 AM

WhiskeySticks: Are those empties in that stroller?


No. They're Molotov cocktails for meddling crackers.
 
2013-02-05 11:37:55 AM
You know who else used to throw a tripe around?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-05 12:28:07 PM
While I whole heartedly agree with Dances With Derp there, maybe language and anger like that in front of a child isn't the best course of action. Is the baby holding his beer?
 
2013-02-05 12:46:58 PM
The Natives did pay the Chinese to bring SARs to north america to wipe out the white invaders who wiped out the natives with their disease and kerosene based booze.

/Deport teabaggers to the Boston harbor.
//And by harbor, I mean the bottom of it.
///Helps to feed the fish and crabs once the fat blubber sinks.
 
2013-02-05 12:48:20 PM
I'm pretty sure the Native Americans were protesting the European invasion as it was happening, too.
 
2013-02-05 12:49:01 PM

Cythraul: Yeah, I really don't agree with that shiat. "We didn't invite none of you here. We're the only native Americans here."

I'm a native American, by the literal definition of the term. And I doubt me and my family are going to leave what has been our home for generations anytime soon.


And after 1 generation, the ancestors of "illegals" will be native Americans, too. People seem to have a huge problem with that. Clearly you don't, but many do. Those many need to go fark themselves. Irish, Italian, Chinese, all proud Americans waving flags at Hispanics that only want the same oppourtunities that your ancestors had. How farked up is that? Angry Native American dude is right. We've got no right to complain, especially after what this country has done to the true North American indigenous people. Let me know when the US Army rolls into your town, slaughters your neighbors, and forces you to live on a one acre plot in the middle of nowhere.
 
2013-02-05 12:59:19 PM

mooseyfate: Cythraul: Yeah, I really don't agree with that shiat. "We didn't invite none of you here. We're the only native Americans here."

I'm a native American, by the literal definition of the term. And I doubt me and my family are going to leave what has been our home for generations anytime soon.

And after 1 generation, the ancestors of "illegals" will be native Americans, too. People seem to have a huge problem with that. Clearly you don't, but many do. Those many need to go fark themselves. Irish, Italian, Chinese, all proud Americans waving flags at Hispanics that only want the same oppourtunities that your ancestors had. How farked up is that? Angry Native American dude is right. We've got no right to complain, especially after what this country has done to the true North American indigenous people. Let me know when the US Army rolls into your town, slaughters your neighbors, and forces you to live on a one acre plot in the middle of nowhere.


I confirm that I do believe the protestors in the video, while they may have the right to protest, don't have a legitimate argument here.  However, my beef is with the 'native' American.  His rhetoric in that video is directed towards what I guess are tea party racist assholes, and so be it.  But what he says could easily be turned around and used against anyone who isn't racially 'native American' as not belonging here.

And he may not necessarily mean that, but I've heard other Native Americans voice similar sentiments with very similar words to express an ideology that non-Native Americans shouldn't be here.  And to them, I say, fark off.
 
2013-02-05 01:08:25 PM
Sorry, Chief, you lost the war. Get over it.
 
2013-02-05 01:09:53 PM
Are we talking about immigration in general, or just illegals?

We're all immigrants if you go back far enough, so it's no big deal to me.  I just really dislike the illegal border jumping and living in the shadows.

Plus, I actually did get into a discussion like this with a Native American.  After he came down from the shock of what I said, he ended up agreeing with me.  I pointed out early whites moved in and won a war.  The new reality goes to the victor of a war.

The current illegal immigration problem isn't the result of war.  It's the result of the failure to enforce existing laws.
 
2013-02-05 01:28:13 PM

fickenchucker: Are we talking about immigration in general, or just illegals?

We're all immigrants if you go back far enough, so it's no big deal to me.  I just really dislike the illegal border jumping and living in the shadows.

Plus, I actually did get into a discussion like this with a Native American.  After he came down from the shock of what I said, he ended up agreeing with me.  I pointed out early whites moved in and won a war.  The new reality goes to the victor of a war.

The current illegal immigration problem isn't the result of war.  It's the result of the failure to enforce existing laws.


I'll never have a problem with people that just want a better future for their children. Legal or illegal, I say go for it. And as someone whose wife just went through the deliberately confusing, expensive, and idiotic money-making process we call "Immigration", allow me to say that as long as the process is as convoluted as it is, people will continue to jump that boarder whether laws are enforced or not. I'm not saying there doesn't need to be a screening process, but Jesus Christ! You miss one appointment, you lose everything. You or your lawyer misfiles one scrap of paper, you start over from the beginning. You or your lawyer is unable to obtain an original of whatever documentation try require, you start over. You don't get your fees back, there is no grace period, you start over. And the worst part in my opinion (and really helps illustrate how little Immigration is concerned with immigration as opposed to just making money off ridiculous processing fees) is that there is zero communication between offices. If you send all your paperwork to one office, but then another office takes over your file half-way through, you have to resubmit EVERYTHING, including all originals and fees you've already sent to the other offices. It's a clusterfarked nightmare, and after going through it twice I have to tell you that I completely understand why people border jump.
 
2013-02-05 01:29:05 PM

Whodat: Sorry, Chief, you lost the war genocide. Get over it.


FTFY
 
2013-02-05 01:39:42 PM
http://www.ericfoner.com/reviews/020906lrb.html
An interesting point of view on the subject.

Settlers may not have cut a bloody swath across the continent as previously believed. They may have put a good amount of effort into making the natives understand their concept of ownership. Figures suggest that death tolls from battles are "only" a few thousand on both sides. The real damage was the introduction of disease.
 
2013-02-05 01:40:53 PM

fickenchucker: Are we talking about immigration in general, or just illegals?

We're all immigrants if you go back far enough, so it's no big deal to me.  I just really dislike the illegal border jumping and living in the shadows.

Plus, I actually did get into a discussion like this with a Native American.  After he came down from the shock of what I said, he ended up agreeing with me.  I pointed out early whites moved in and won a war.  The new reality goes to the victor of a war.

The current illegal immigration problem isn't the result of war.  It's the result of the failure to enforce existing laws.


I think a lot of it stems from the "war" on drugs.
 
2013-02-05 01:54:40 PM
Put it in the basket Chief!  Put it in the basket!
 
2013-02-05 01:56:29 PM
I enjoyed that immensely despite the fact that I'm technically one of the "invaders."  Finding a country of ancestry willing to take me back might be complicated by the fact that I'm about 1 part of every damn place in Europe.  Mostly Norwegian, so I'd have to start there.  Does their repatriation process still require candidates to consume a full meal of lutefisk?  Because you never go full lutefisk, man.  You just don't.
 
2013-02-05 02:00:17 PM
Am I the only one who thought of this when they saw that picture above?
img163.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-05 02:20:24 PM
yo.. buddy.

Who invited you here?
 
2013-02-05 02:30:42 PM
Tu quoque fallacy, Chief Running Mouth.
 
2013-02-05 02:35:46 PM

mooseyfate: fickenchucker: Are we talking about immigration in general, or just illegals?

We're all immigrants if you go back far enough, so it's no big deal to me.  I just really dislike the illegal border jumping and living in the shadows.

Plus, I actually did get into a discussion like this with a Native American.  After he came down from the shock of what I said, he ended up agreeing with me.  I pointed out early whites moved in and won a war.  The new reality goes to the victor of a war.

The current illegal immigration problem isn't the result of war.  It's the result of the failure to enforce existing laws.

I'll never have a problem with people that just want a better future for their children. Legal or illegal, I say go for it. And as someone whose wife just went through the deliberately confusing, expensive, and idiotic money-making process we call "Immigration", allow me to say that as long as the process is as convoluted as it is, people will continue to jump that boarder whether laws are enforced or not. I'm not saying there doesn't need to be a screening process, but Jesus Christ! You miss one appointment, you lose everything. You or your lawyer misfiles one scrap of paper, you start over from the beginning. You or your lawyer is unable to obtain an original of whatever documentation try require, you start over. You don't get your fees back, there is no grace period, you start over. And the worst part in my opinion (and really helps illustrate how little Immigration is concerned with immigration as opposed to just making money off ridiculous processing fees) is that there is zero communication between offices. If you send all your paperwork to one office, but then another office takes over your file half-way through, you have to resubmit EVERYTHING, including all originals and fees you've already sent to the other offices. It's a clusterfarked nightmare, and after going through it twice I have to tell you that I completely understand why people border ...


Your points about the bureaucracy are valid.  The government in general needs a swift kick in the face when it comes to paperwork, computer systems and departments that talk to each other, and being customer service oriented to us.
 
2013-02-05 03:17:38 PM
You're all ILLEGAL...said the guy who collects a monthly stipend from the people he considers "illegal". I guess illegal doesn't bug him so much when it gets deposited into his bank account.
 
2013-02-05 03:20:20 PM

mooseyfate: Cythraul: Yeah, I really don't agree with that shiat. "We didn't invite none of you here. We're the only native Americans here."

I'm a native American, by the literal definition of the term. And I doubt me and my family are going to leave what has been our home for generations anytime soon.

And after 1 generation, the ancestors of "illegals" will be native Americans, too. People seem to have a huge problem with that. Clearly you don't, but many do. Those many need to go fark themselves. Irish, Italian, Chinese, all proud Americans waving flags at Hispanics that only want the same oppourtunities that your ancestors had. How farked up is that? Angry Native American dude is right. We've got no right to complain, especially after what this country has done to the true North American indigenous people. Let me know when the US Army rolls into your town, slaughters your neighbors, and forces you to live on a one acre plot in the middle of nowhere.


Every ethnicity brought something to the table and built this country up. The Mexicans came in and just want to use the resources. That's the difference.

And fark the Native Americans, the Europeans were here first.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080701193203.htm

It's why they fear Kennewick Man
 
2013-02-05 03:26:51 PM

indarwinsshadow: You're all ILLEGAL...said the guy who collects a monthly stipend from the people he considers "illegal". I guess illegal doesn't bug him so much when it gets deposited into his bank account.


Yes, that check should make up for the slaughter of his ancestors and the forced removal from their ancestral home.
 
2013-02-05 03:48:51 PM

halfof33: Tu quoque fallacy, Chief Running Mouth.


How is that a tu quoque? He was pointing out their hypocrisy not claiming the protesters are wrong. He sounds like agrees with their policies, he just wants those policies applied more broadly than they do.

The basic principle of the tu quoque fallacy is that someone being a hypocrite doesn't automatically make them wrong. It doesn't apply here because he wasn't claiming that they were wrong.
Also by invoking tu quoque fallacy you are basically agreeing with him that the protesters are hypocrites.

A tu quoque fallacy is basically:

A: "D did Z!"
B: "A also did Z, therefore, D didn't do Z because A is a hypocrite."
C: "B, that's a tu quoque fallacy. Just because A is a hypocrite that doesn't prove that D didn't do Z."

But in this case:

A: "Immigration is bad!"
B: "A is a hypocrite."
C: "B, that's a tu quoque fallacy. Just because A is a hypocrite that doesn't prove that A is a hypocrites . Wait, what?"
 
2013-02-05 03:53:17 PM
What a load.

1) 'Native' Americans are not native - they crossed over from Siberia

2) Their cultures were headed no where: no writing - no technology - NO WHEEL for fark's sake

3) They were not 'ecologically in-tune' with Nature as some claim - instead causing massive damage to buffalo herds and burning out the land for their crops.

4) They kept slaves.

The 'Noble Red Man' is a lie on it's face and their culture - such as it was - was doomed to die out.
And if you think Christianity is stupid read up on the 'native Americans' beliefs - freak city dude!
 
2013-02-05 03:58:40 PM
He threw a wet blanket on that protest.
 
2013-02-05 04:08:17 PM

1000Monkeys: A: "Illegal Immigration is bad!"
B: "You were immigrants."
C: "B, that's a tu quoque fallacy. Just because A was an immigrant doesn't mean that their position is wrong.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-02-05 04:13:29 PM

LivingDeadX1: I'm pretty sure the Native Americans were protesting the European invasion as it was happening, too.


This. But it didn't go so well for them.
 
2013-02-05 04:23:01 PM

halfof33: 1000Monkeys: A: "Illegal Immigration is bad!"
B: "You were immigrants."
C: "B, that's a tu quoque fallacy. Just because A was an immigrant doesn't mean that their position is wrong.

Fixed that for you.


What's your point?

It's still not a tu quoque fallacy.
 
2013-02-05 04:51:07 PM

Godscrack: WhiskeySticks: Are those empties in that stroller?

No. They're Molotov cocktails for meddling crackers.


are those anything like Ritz?
 
2013-02-05 04:54:15 PM

1000Monkeys: t's still not a tu quoque fallacy.


Uhhh, yes it is.
 
2013-02-05 05:06:33 PM

halfof33: 1000Monkeys: t's still not a tu quoque fallacy.

Uhhh, yes it is.


Why? Do you have any reason beyond "Is too!"?

Fine, show me where he says something to the effect of "you are immigrants/hypocrites therefore illegal immigration isn't bad/immigration is good" and I'll admit it's a tu quoque fallacy.
 
2013-02-05 05:13:53 PM

douchebag/hater: What a load.

1) 'Native' Americans are not native - they crossed over from Siberia

2) Their cultures were headed no where: no writing - no technology - NO WHEEL for fark's sake

3) They were not 'ecologically in-tune' with Nature as some claim - instead causing massive damage to buffalo herds and burning out the land for their crops.

4) They kept slaves.

The 'Noble Red Man' is a lie on it's face and their culture - such as it was - was doomed to die out.
And if you think Christianity is stupid read up on the 'native Americans' beliefs - freak city dude!


3/10 ... not vitriolic enough to get bites. "freak city dude!" pretty much killed it for me, but props for the bullet points.
 
2013-02-05 05:18:03 PM

Lando Lincoln: indarwinsshadow: You're all ILLEGAL...said the guy who collects a monthly stipend from the people he considers "illegal". I guess illegal doesn't bug him so much when it gets deposited into his bank account.

Yes, that check should make up for the slaughter of his ancestors and the forced removal from their ancestral home.



i173.photobucket.com


Um, guy. My adopted brother is anishinabek. His natural father raped him, his mother died of alcohol poisoning. My parents fostered him. He's a great guy. He's an O.P.P. officer in North Bay, Ontario. You don't know shiat about first nations people's, so stfu. m'kay?
 
2013-02-05 05:29:42 PM
it seems to me that the native american experience is perfect argument against uncontrolled immigration.
 
2013-02-05 05:55:26 PM

indarwinsshadow: Lando Lincoln: indarwinsshadow: You're all ILLEGAL...said the guy who collects a monthly stipend from the people he considers "illegal". I guess illegal doesn't bug him so much when it gets deposited into his bank account.

Yes, that check should make up for the slaughter of his ancestors and the forced removal from their ancestral home.


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Um, guy. My adopted brother is anishinabek. His natural father raped him, his mother died of alcohol poisoning. My parents fostered him. He's a great guy. He's an O.P.P. officer in North Bay, Ontario. You don't know shiat about first nations people's, so stfu. m'kay?


i live in north bay.
just moved from nova scotia.
 
Xai
2013-02-05 06:02:00 PM
shiat someone should start a kickstarter for that guy. I want to buy him a beer.
 
2013-02-05 06:03:51 PM

hbk72777: mooseyfate: Cythraul: Yeah, I really don't agree with that shiat. "We didn't invite none of you here. We're the only native Americans here."

I'm a native American, by the literal definition of the term. And I doubt me and my family are going to leave what has been our home for generations anytime soon.

And after 1 generation, the ancestors of "illegals" will be native Americans, too. People seem to have a huge problem with that. Clearly you don't, but many do. Those many need to go fark themselves. Irish, Italian, Chinese, all proud Americans waving flags at Hispanics that only want the same oppourtunities that your ancestors had. How farked up is that? Angry Native American dude is right. We've got no right to complain, especially after what this country has done to the true North American indigenous people. Let me know when the US Army rolls into your town, slaughters your neighbors, and forces you to live on a one acre plot in the middle of nowhere.

Every ethnicity brought something to the table and built this country up. The Mexicans came in and just want to use the resources. That's the difference.

And fark the Native Americans, the Europeans were here first.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080701193203.htm

It's why they fear Kennewick Man


You're either a) incredibly deluded, b) a run-of-the-mill bigot, c) incredibly ignorant, or d) all of the above. I'm going to go with all of the above since you appear to think anyone brown with an accent is a Mexican. I assure you, not everyone that crosses the border is a Mexican. And if you don't believe that Hispanics in general haven't brought something to the table AND helped to further build and expand this country, you're also a farking idiot to boot. Seriously, that paragraph may be the single most ignorant post I've read on Fark this year.
 
2013-02-05 08:54:46 PM

douchebag/hater: What a load.

1) 'Native' Americans are not native - they crossed over from Siberia


By this definition of the word "Native", no one in the world is a native of any place but ancient Mesopotamia.  That's right, we're all Iranians and Iraqis.  How's that grab your freedom fries?

2) Their cultures were headed no where: no writing - no technology - NO WHEEL for fark's sake

If history has taught us anything (and it hasn't) it's that technology wins.  Always.  Maybe not the day-to-day battle, but the overall war?  Yeah, it changes everything.  But to say their cultures were headed "no where" is dishonest and also can't be proved.  Aztec and Mayan civilization was blossoming, they had an economy, and their mathematics were on par with other civilizations that rose to greatness.  Were they behind the curve?  Hell yes.  But for a bunch of nomads that walked across from Russia and had just recently settled the areas they occupied (when you consider how long most ancient civilizations took to reach their "peak" once they abandoned the hunter/gatherer phase of humanity), they weren't doing too bad for themselves until the Spaniards started showing up.  Even with the much more nomadic tribes of present day United States and Canada, they had already formed "nations" and could very well have developed in much the same way the Aztecs and Mayans did before the Europeans arrived.  So yeah, you're partly right but you're also full of shiat.

3) They were not 'ecologically in-tune' with Nature as some claim - instead causing massive damage to buffalo herds and burning out the land for their crops.

Yeah, because those buffalo were already slaughtered when we showed up, and nobody uses controlled burns to fertilize soil anymore.

4) They kept slaves.

Pretty much every civilization in the history of man has had slaves at some point.  It's a notion as old as civilization itself.

The 'Noble Red Man' is a lie on it's face and their culture - such as it was - was doomed to die out.
And if you think Christianity is stupid read up on the 'native Americans' beliefs - freak city dude!


Christianity is just as valid as Native American beliefs, and both are farking hogwash.  What's your point?

In closing, I know you're a troll, but I just felt like talking (typing?) out my ass for a while.  Hope it was as pleasant for you as it was for me.
 
2013-02-05 09:04:15 PM

indarwinsshadow: Lando Lincoln: indarwinsshadow: You're all ILLEGAL...said the guy who collects a monthly stipend from the people he considers "illegal". I guess illegal doesn't bug him so much when it gets deposited into his bank account.

Yes, that check should make up for the slaughter of his ancestors and the forced removal from their ancestral home.





Um, guy. My adopted brother is anishinabek. His natural father raped him, his mother died of alcohol poisoning. My parents fostered him. He's a great guy. He's an O.P.P. officer in North Bay, Ontario. You don't know shiat about first nations people's, so stfu. m'kay?


So... Some of your best friends are Native Americans, is what you're saying. And that's why you're qualified to say what this guy's mindset is. Sure, seems legit.
 
2013-02-05 10:03:19 PM

mooseyfate: By this definition of the word "Native", no one in the world is a native of any place but ancient Mesopotamia the African plains. That's right, we're all Iranians and Iraqis Africans.  How's that grab your freedom fries?


Loved that last question, though.
 
2013-02-05 11:53:43 PM
What he's not thinking about is that the protesters he's confronting are protesting against illegals that are coming to this country now, not 200-400 years ago and that most if not all of those protesters were born and raised here, some for several generations, just as he was.

/is 8% Cherokee or as they called themselves,  The Principal People
 
2013-02-06 12:02:47 AM
Also, if white folks are illegals simply because the Native Americans were here first, then by his logic, the descendants of every group of people who migrated over here from what is now Asia after the first group are also illegals.

BTW, the Cherokee spelling for  Aniyvwiyaʔi, which means "Principal People" is  ᎠᏂᏴᏫᏯᎢ
 
2013-02-06 12:17:31 AM
based on what written language? one some european made for them?
 
2013-02-06 11:07:13 AM

douchebag/hater: What a load.

1) 'Native' Americans are not native - they crossed over from Siberia

2) Their cultures were headed no where: no writing - no technology - NO WHEEL for fark's sake

3) They were not 'ecologically in-tune' with Nature as some claim - instead causing massive damage to buffalo herds and burning out the land for their crops.

4) They kept slaves.

The 'Noble Red Man' is a lie on it's face and their culture - such as it was - was doomed to die out.
And if you think Christianity is stupid read up on the 'native Americans' beliefs - freak city dude!


The Aztecs were just as advanced as the Roman Empire. The history books paint a different story however.
 
2013-02-06 05:33:45 PM

illrigger: The Aztecs were just as advanced as the Roman Empire. The history books paint a different story however.



Uhhh...yeah.  Except the Aztecs were roughly 1500 years behind the Romans, and were obliterated by a foreign force a fraction of their size.

But they were "just as advanced".
 
2013-02-06 10:24:19 PM

fickenchucker: illrigger: The Aztecs were just as advanced as the Roman Empire. The history books paint a different story however.


Uhhh...yeah.   Except the Aztecs were roughly 1500 years behind the Romans, and were obliterated by a foreign force a fraction of their size.

But they were "just as advanced".



That's not really the point.  But yeah, I wouldn't call the Aztecs "just as advanced" as the Roman Empire.  The Egyptians, maybe, but c'mon.  The Roman Empire was a beast.
 
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