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(Talking Points Memo)   Survivalists building a walled "Prepper" community get a gift from the ATF: They can now start legally manufacturing firearms. What's the worst that could happen?   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 138
    More: Fail, ATF, destructive device, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives  
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2013-02-04 07:55:43 PM  
23 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?


Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.
2013-02-04 09:20:17 PM  
8 votes:
Why is it that the "I love America more than you" demographic has a strong overlap with the "I'm gonna make my OWN country with blackjack and hookers" demographic?
2013-02-04 08:35:04 PM  
8 votes:
It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

This is pretty much a win/win for everyone involved. The Citadel people get to finance their doomsday shelter, and the ATF gets carte blanche to stick a microscope up their pants if they so much as fart wrong. When you have an FFL you agree to let the ATF come and inspect your stock at any time for no reason at all during an annual "compliance inspection."

Also, if these people are otherwise law abiding there's no reason for the ATF to deny their request. To deny a request simply because their stated goal to build a wilderness fort is pretty obviously unconstitutional. It's tantamount to denying a request because someone said they're liberal or conservative.
2013-02-04 07:44:25 PM  
6 votes:
How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?
2013-02-05 01:16:53 AM  
4 votes:

Lochsteppe: whidbey: Lochsteppe: hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.

I like their use of .Mil and .Gov for military and government.  It makes them sound very in-the-know and not at all like conspiracy-sotted kooks.

/Are they expecting a DDOS attack?

They're saying now that the Army and the Federal Government each have a domain staked out, they're really officially everywhere now.

I'm surprised the Citadel doesn't have a tinfoil factory on the side.   They'd make way more selling that than guns out there.

Unless they've discovered that tin foil is plotting against them.


Given the amount of money it would take to build a castle wall around a small town I am betting that the founder of this project is just hoping to sucker in some donors so he can take the money and head off to the the Caymans.
2013-02-04 10:20:21 PM  
4 votes:
2013-02-04 09:56:39 PM  
4 votes:

MagicMissile: You guys think you are so free and support rights and all of that, and in reality you are the exact opposite but you are so stupid that you can't see yourself.


LMMFAO. Projection at its finest! No one is stopping them from being paranoid idiots, including the government. They are free to be stupid, just as they are doing. YOU seem to think they are somehow oppressed. Pointing at them and laughing is NOT oppressing them. Allowing them to sell guns is NOT oppressing them.

Yet you are supporting a group that REQUIRES you to submit to only their way of thinking, in order to "join" them. They absolutely refuse to allow differing opinions. They are the truly oppressive ones. One one way of thinking allowed.

Like I said: People like you NEED that. Actually free thought scares the shiat out of you. Hive mind, little boy!

Truly blind, you are.
2013-02-04 09:56:31 PM  
4 votes:

MagicMissile: look at all the bashing going on here over this because a group of people have decided to live their life in a way that you don't like.


The absolute refusal (or inability) to recognize the reason for the 'bashing' is astonishing. Nobody cares about people choosing to live their life in any way they want. They are bashing them for their reasons for thinking they need to do it.  They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse. They are afraid that some massive conspiracy is in the works to try to take their guns or target them for having guns. They aren't just choosing to live an alternate life, they believe in as apocalyptic, and imminent, future. They are being mocked for the latter.
2013-02-04 09:40:38 PM  
4 votes:
I think we all know where The Citadel is heading:

lh3.ggpht.com

/No gods, no kings, only DERP!
2013-02-04 09:31:23 PM  
4 votes:

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.
2013-02-04 09:09:05 PM  
4 votes:
Why the hell do I work for a living? I should just start a hustle like this, and get rich fleecing dumbass rednecks.
2013-02-04 09:04:18 PM  
4 votes:

"...development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."


If you want to live in a place with more guns and no Liberals, then move to Somalia.

2013-02-04 11:39:30 PM  
3 votes:
A bold social experiment. A community of heavily armed and fearful sociopaths placed together without any means of support in an inhospitable area and with no attempt at any social structure. Should be interesting and I'd like to watch it unfold from a safe distance.
2013-02-04 10:58:41 PM  
3 votes:

xen0blue: Good for them. I don't understand why all the hate.


Me neither.  Contempt for gullibility, amusement, and wonder that this clown is actually trying this scam - yes.
Hate? no. Why be upset that a con man is going to fleece a bunch of morans?
2013-02-04 10:19:01 PM  
3 votes:
They will get as far as selling lots to suckers, then the developers will run off with the cash. Won't be the first time.
2013-02-04 09:52:49 PM  
3 votes:
A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.
2013-02-04 08:23:07 PM  
3 votes:
This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.
2013-02-05 04:36:17 AM  
2 votes:

JRoo: If the world gets bad enough that the survivalists have to start surviving, then nobody is going to last past their reserves of stocks.

We either learn to survive in space now or we accept the inevitable fate of every planet-bound form of life. A natural extinction due to geologic or solar change.


Most of the survivalists are not prepared to survive. They're prepared to live through the apocalypse, whatever it is they're anxiously anticipating (so far, on "Doomsday Preppers" I've seen everything from asteroid strike to solar flare overloading the electrical grid to killer mutant zombie flu). They're ready for the social collapse and riots in the streets and demise of Walmart.

What they're NOT ready for, AFAIK, is the endless decades after that, when their canned food runs out and they have no more 5.56 ammo and the mold starts to infest their nifty little bunkers and the closest neighbors only know them as the freaks 50 miles up the road who want to kill everyone. In other words, they're not ready to rebuild society AFTER the apocalypse. And boy, are they in for a shock after the first bad winter.
2013-02-05 01:17:23 AM  
2 votes:

moothemagiccow: coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?

That, I presume, is a problem bigger than any natural disaster they could possibly prepare for.

Imagine living in a neighborhood where you know every single neighbor on your street, in your neighborhood, and in the entire town, has qualified Riflemen inside, ready to come to your aid at a moments notice, whether to help you change a tire, fix a problem, or cover your back in a firefight with an Enemy of Liberty

"Enemies of Liberty" will infiltrate this society quickly. Perhaps they've already begun.


houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com

I can't wait to see how this unfolds.  Unfortunately, my money is on the organizers fleecing the rubes for a few million then fleeing the country.
2013-02-04 11:53:05 PM  
2 votes:

Bucky Katt: Sounds like "the Citadel" is a classic commune. As in communist.


No, actually, it's classic capitalism - of the Charles Ponzi variety.
2013-02-04 11:45:51 PM  
2 votes:
Sounds like "the Citadel" is a classic commune. As in communist.
2013-02-04 11:43:28 PM  
2 votes:

m00: Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.


I think you're reading a different set of comments than the ones on this thread.
2013-02-04 11:35:38 PM  
2 votes:

jtown: That's something I don't get about so many of these survivalist communities. Why do they set up shop in such inhospitable areas? It seems like areas with a longer growing season and less extreme winters would be better.


Because there's too many people who aren't white in those places.
2013-02-04 11:28:02 PM  
2 votes:

GUTSU: Are you trying to justify the deaths of 21 children?


Are you really that stupid?

Watch the initial raid where they shot federal agents executing a search warrant.

You really want to play that f*cking game with me? Justification of dead children? Justify, for me, the thousands of Iraqi children with no father because they were killed. Justify that. Police action? Protection of the force? All justifiable and got good men home to their families.

We have laws in this country. When an agent of our duly elected government shows up at your house with a search warrant signed by a judge you follow f*cking orders.

I will not play into your myopic fantasy of a government run amok. You sicken me with such notions. How many more people died after that day because of people like you. How many?

Cling to your Turner Diaries. It is truly all that you have in this world.
2013-02-04 11:14:28 PM  
2 votes:
talkingpointsmemo.com

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon
2013-02-04 10:47:25 PM  
2 votes:
If I had a bunch of money laying around, I'd use it to buy homes in that community to give to black people.
2013-02-04 10:22:10 PM  
2 votes:
arentol
A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.
Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?
They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

I confess to being uninformed having nrtfa but not a troll
They can do whatever they like given interest, ability and legality for sure
What confuses me are these thoughts -
1 - if you are a US patriot when the world ends, where does that leave you if that is your identity? or is this really patriotism at all?
 2- if you are surrounded by "like minded people" and the wait for the end of the world is long, how do you grow intellectually and not become, instead, incestuous in your views, living in a hall of mirrors?
 3 - If, in fact, the WORLD ends, how do you know that one particular patch of ground will be spared?

I am all for them doing what they like - but its confusing - if the world ends I (if not dead) will mourn all the places and strangers i've met - the only thing sadder than that loss would be to grow up in a walled compound in iowa........ waiting for the world to end.
2013-02-04 10:17:31 PM  
2 votes:

hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.


I'm pretty sure the "Citadel" ( gawd, what a hoot that name is) is pretty much designed to separate a bunch of gullible hillbillies from their money.
2013-02-04 10:11:42 PM  
2 votes:

mediablitz: "This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

Anger, paranoia and narcissism. Yeah, these guys sound SO well adjusted...


Stage dressing. These guys sound SO ready to cash in on anger, paranoia, and narcissism, honestly. They're looking to fleece folks who think that a "fortified town" with a plan drawn by a 7-year-old gaming fan sounds like a good idea. Give it, oh, about three years.
2013-02-04 10:00:05 PM  
2 votes:
You would think that one of the things that preppers would prep for would be mockery.  None of them seem to ever get to that part of preparation though.
2013-02-04 09:52:34 PM  
2 votes:

MagicMissile: willfullyobscure: theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.

They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.

Since when do you need an FFL to buy parts and put them together.... oh thats right, you don't.


you need one to get the magical lower reciever legally, genius. and the class you get determines what you can do with them. Class i can buy and sell functional weapons. Class 2 is pawn shops, IIRC. Class 7 is "build any goofy shiat you want short of a bomb". Hobbyists and machinists get them regularly. takes about 90 days and $200, but then you have pay ITAR fees and other stuff.
2013-02-04 09:52:23 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

Who's freaking out?


The idiots building a walled community that requires you to leave any and all free thinking outside?
2013-02-04 09:28:16 PM  
2 votes:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

Anger, paranoia and narcissism. Yeah, these guys sound SO well adjusted...
2013-02-04 09:27:23 PM  
2 votes:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them."

Are these the same masters that they're asking for permits and tax breaks?

Also, I don't think anyone said it couldn't be done. I think most people thought it was a stupid idea for people that desire the collapse of civilization, which makes them sad, scared and pathetic. That's called mocking. Go ahead and build your super secret clubhouse, but realize no one really cares. You can have the whole state of Idaho. It won't be missed.
2013-02-04 09:26:56 PM  
2 votes:

MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.


There it is again. People who dislike Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?
2013-02-04 09:26:21 PM  
2 votes:

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.
2013-02-04 09:19:59 PM  
2 votes:
No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."

It's basically a gated community.
2013-02-04 09:17:11 PM  
2 votes:
blogs.amctv.com
2013-02-04 09:15:48 PM  
2 votes:

MasterThief: kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.

One can follow the law without respecting it, or the people who enforce it.


Just as one can live off of civilization while despising it and attempting to make little or no contribution to it. The two attitudes are often found in the same people.
2013-02-04 09:14:24 PM  
2 votes:
Its a free country. Get over it.

It sounds like it will be a great place to live.
2013-02-04 09:09:32 PM  
2 votes:

doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.


The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
2013-02-04 09:09:29 PM  
2 votes:
After it's sold out, can we lock the gates from the outside?
2013-02-04 08:40:33 PM  
2 votes:

Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.


It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.
2013-02-04 08:29:27 PM  
2 votes:
Has there been a change in tax law or something that makes this sort of scam more attractive?

www.newscorpse.com
2013-02-05 01:15:02 PM  
1 votes:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: What's that in reference to?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community

The silverware company and the commune are one in the same, yes.

Or at least, one became the other.
2013-02-05 09:36:06 AM  
1 votes:
If these doomsday preppers were serious about building a walled town to survive an apocalypse, they'd do better moving their fortress to Nebraska or Kansas. At least there they could get water, grow food, and survive the winter. But building this thing on an Idaho mountaintop? You won't find food or water up there, and surviving the winter just got much, much more difficult.
2013-02-05 08:54:23 AM  
1 votes:
If there ever is a global apocalypse, and the only ones who survive are the Doomsday Preppers, we do not
deserve to continue as a species.
2013-02-05 08:03:32 AM  
1 votes:

m00: theknuckler_33: m00: theknuckler_33: They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse.

So you believe in global warming right?

Is your beef with them that they are planning for any possibly catastrophe and not just the one(s) you have been indoctrinated with?

So... agreeing that climate change is a real thing and society being on the brink of collapse are the same thing?

If climate change is a real thing and projections are right, at some point all modern unsustainable societies will collapse.

See, this is why liberals aren't serious about their beliefs. If they were, the response would be:

"That's a great idea! We all should be prepared for society collapsing! See conservative gun nut preppers, this is why we need to invest in alternate energy. When the collapse comes 10-20 years from now and there's no more oil or coal or anything else, we want you to be able to plug in your electric Ford F150 into an outlet powered by the geothermal generator in the basement of your super energy-efficient house also covered in solar panels, which you were able to buy at Walmart because Obama invested in the technologies for this now."

Same logic argument for sustainable agriculture.


Liberals aren't serious about their beliefs because they don't respond to them in the way you think they should? Typical conservative view of things. While I can't speak for other liberals, I have no apocalyptic fantasy about climate change causing a collapse of society in 10-20 (or even 100) years. We do need to invest in alternate energy because the goal isn't to PREPARE for a collapse of society, it is to PREVENT the collapse of society and that will happen by changing the way our entire society generates and uses power, not by creating a miniscule community behind walls where people play patriot games.
mhd
2013-02-05 06:47:14 AM  
1 votes:
What they want:
i.imgur.com

What they call it:
i.imgur.com

What they'll get:

i.imgur.com
2013-02-05 05:24:43 AM  
1 votes:
Kerodin, public records show, was convicted in 2004 of federal extortion, attempted extortion and possession of an illegal firearm charges. The accusations were filed in Virginia after Kerodin, purporting to be a counter-terrorism expert, attempted to coerce shopping mall owners in the Washington, D.C., area to hire him to develop better security. He served 30 months in federal prison and now can't legally possess firearms as a felon.

I want to know more about his attempt to coerce shopping malls. I'd also like to understand how someone that is legally not allowed to posses firearms is allowed to manufacture them?
2013-02-05 03:58:36 AM  
1 votes:
Yup their will be no pedophilia, child brides, or human rights abuses coming out of this place over the next 10 years. Looking forward to when the government tries to enforce the law and these nut bags get called upon to defend their leader to the death. The conservative melt down will be awesome. Half claiming the government has no right to arrest them, and that the pedophilia is just an excuses to take down a bastion of conservatism. The rest will be crying them selves to sleep because they know how bad the whole affair makes the conservative movement look.
2013-02-05 02:33:51 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: ^ This thread ^


She pissed herself from laughing too hard?
2013-02-05 01:50:50 AM  
1 votes:
The ATF does not grant the right to manufacture arms. The law does. If they comply with the law, the ATF has no reason to stop them.
2013-02-05 01:42:57 AM  
1 votes:

untaken_name: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

The mere fact that they have to ask for government permission before doing something indicates that their position is correct. The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.


The government IS the people. The government DID ask the people. We, the people, said we don't want any farkwad making guns. We want it regulated.

Pretending you can say "the government" like it isn't people we elected, makes you look pretty childish an naive.
2013-02-05 01:32:42 AM  
1 votes:

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.


You forgot C.
Developer absconds to South America with 3,000 families'...no, grandparents'...security deposits.
2013-02-05 01:32:10 AM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: I'm betting this place ends up as the "ultimate HOA poster child", personally.


Dave, the Board asked me to speak to you in the hopes that we could resolve this amicably. It's just that your machine gun nest is covered in desert camouflage, and the Community Appearance Guidelines clearly specify that all gun emplacements should be tastefully covered in woodland camouflage. Now, we know you're a bit of a free spirit, so we turned a blind eye when you put a gold fringe on your Citadel flag, and we didn't say anything when you didn't put out luminaria for our town's celebration of the anniversary of Ruby Ridge. We're not unreasonable tyrants, after all, ha ha! So how about you go ahead and fix that camo? We're all just trying to make a nice neighborhood for our kids, after all.
2013-02-05 12:47:57 AM  
1 votes:
Every state should have at least one of these. Let the nuts come there and then throw away the keys. Mental health problem solved.
2013-02-05 12:33:41 AM  
1 votes:

parasol: vygramul -

 posted, regarding the branch davidian stand off, there was "no immediate danger to the children"

 iirc, the stand off lasted many days and included the shooting of law enforcement personnel...and
repeated requests to let the children leave.

 they were in danger during the entirety, imho - and koresh should have let them exit


It would be a perversion for law enforcement to say the children were in danger because law enforcement was shooting at them.

But essentially, it's irrelevant.  Just like in Yemen, the government has no control over the circumstances in which they are trying to affect arrest.  In both situations, the only question is how exposed you will make your agents in attempting such, and in both, the decision to take lethal action without trial or conviction was made.

And, in both, the "victim" could have, at any time, ended the threat to all by complying by turning themselve in.

One should have a problem with both, or examine why they only object to one.
2013-02-05 12:24:01 AM  
1 votes:
fullypsyched.com
2013-02-05 12:01:10 AM  
1 votes:
vygramul -

 posted, regarding the branch davidian stand off, there was "no immediate danger to the children"

 iirc, the stand off lasted many days and included the shooting of law enforcement personnel...and
repeated requests to let the children leave.

 they were in danger during the entirety, imho - and koresh should have let them exit
2013-02-04 11:59:27 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "There are several counties in Idaho that will work equally well for the Citadel Project if Benewah County fails to offer our Citadel Team suitable incentives."


Anti-government patriots are demanding government subsidies. Perfect.
2013-02-04 11:48:15 PM  
1 votes:

Flappyhead: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.


I seriously doubt the main people behind it actually believe the crap they are saying.  I think to them the whole "Citadel project" is just a great marketing tool to sell their guns and make a healthy profit off of the paranoia of the anti-government/survivalist crowd.  They are not necessarily "pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto", but more like people who hope to profit off of "pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto".
2013-02-04 11:44:05 PM  
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: every time I see the word prepper I see "pepper" and wonder if the story gets spicy


It will when the fortress's founder takes the money and runs.

\ooh ooh ooh
2013-02-04 11:43:52 PM  
1 votes:
Damn man, what's with all the six month or less old troll accounts in this thread?  All the same guy?
2013-02-04 11:40:32 PM  
1 votes:

gingerjet: WraithSama: I get a kick out of these separatists who LOVE to boast about how patriotic they are... while they plan on building a fortified, walled city to isolate themselves from the rest of the country they claim to love so much.

The word 'patriotic' has lost its meaning because of people like this.  This particular brand of crazy loves to throw it around like a corporate slogan.

Like Tea Partiers - their grasp of history and freedom is tenuis at best.  But unlike Tea Partiers they are willing to live in the middle of no where and mostly mind their own business.  I don't have a problem with that.


I agree. I think it would be great if this were a real thing.
2013-02-04 11:36:57 PM  
1 votes:

leadmetal: Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

The important difference is their collective is -voluntary- the one the government makes is not.

The walled city isn't to protect against the US military. It's to protect against the roadwarrior hoards.

As to those wondering about the license, they probably didn't want to give the feds a reason to raid them. But the feds will wait. When and if the feds feel like it they'll use some paper work issue to raid them.


The collective we call America is indeed voluntary - if you don't like the way we the people run the place, you are free to leave. But if you choose to stay, you are obligated to contribute and follow the rules. Same as any other collective human society ever - and the same as this "Citadel" society would be if it were a real thing, and not a scam.
2013-02-04 11:31:20 PM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: After it's sold out, can we lock the gates from the outside?


Hell I say we subsidize it and get all the wing-nuts to move in, then pad lock it.

I hope they have enough land inside the falls to grow food for all the people.
2013-02-04 11:26:15 PM  
1 votes:

no talent ass clown: If these last few months of Fark have taught me anything it's that this doomsday colony won't last more than 6 months. With all of those guns floating around, half will accidentally shoot themselves while lamenting their small penises. Half will still be pissed off about never getting a prom date and shoot up a school. While this is going on, the third half will mistakenly get shot by white knight wannabe Rambos who are trying to shoot the school shooters. Brazilians will die and everyone will have small penises.


I'm pretty sure that Mr. Extortionist Guy will be in Costa Rica with the money long before that happens.
2013-02-04 11:21:25 PM  
1 votes:

Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon


Neither will anybody else with any brains - it's a crappy-ass kit gun you can get anywhere cheaper.
But the "gun business" is just a prop in the scam - the object is to get money from investors and then do a fast fade.
The guy is a former extortionist, and the numbers don't add up to anything but a big fat scam.
m00
2013-02-04 11:14:06 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: m00: theknuckler_33: They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse.

So you believe in global warming right?

Is your beef with them that they are planning for any possibly catastrophe and not just the one(s) you have been indoctrinated with?

So... agreeing that climate change is a real thing and society being on the brink of collapse are the same thing?


If climate change is a real thing and projections are right, at some point all modern unsustainable societies will collapse.

See, this is why liberals aren't serious about their beliefs. If they were, the response would be:

"That's a great idea! We all should be prepared for society collapsing! See conservative gun nut preppers, this is why we need to invest in alternate energy. When the collapse comes 10-20 years from now and there's no more oil or coal or anything else, we want you to be able to plug in your electric Ford F150 into an outlet powered by the geothermal generator in the basement of your super energy-efficient house also covered in solar panels, which you were able to buy at Walmart because Obama invested in the technologies for this now."

Same logic argument for sustainable agriculture.
2013-02-04 11:12:40 PM  
1 votes:
Ok, I kind of get the idea of a separate, isolated community where you can surround yourself by like-minded people and never have to feel threatened or challenged by horrors such as opposing viewpoints. I mean, it's childish and stupid, but I get it. Why bother with the walls though? What problem does that solve? Walls have been obsolete since the invention of the cannon, and military hardware has advanced just a touch since then. When your defenses can be defeated by a cruise missile fired from a ship 1,000 miles away, or a small fleet of unmanned drones controlled by a guy with an Xbox controller in another state, not to mention tanks, artillery, missiles, grenades, and pretty much every aircraft ever designed, it seems like an unnecessary expense.I know that conservatives NEVER spend money unnecessarily, especially on feel-good, do-nothing measures that are designed purely to provide a false sense of security for the paranoid and perpetually terrified, so I don't get it. Maybe it's to stop sneaky liberals from slipping into town under the cover of darkness to soak up all of the glorious freedom and patriotism or, even worse, spread the ghey or something? I guess that kind of makes sense. You know, if you don't think about it.
2013-02-04 11:11:20 PM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: If they love their country so much, why are they separating themselves from it and excluding a certain type of social ideology?
That's not very American.
These guys seem like terrorists to me.


This is nothing new. Eccentric utopian "communes" are as old as America itself (and, indeed, far older).
90% of them are scams, and 99.999999% of them fail. "Terrorists"? Suckers is more like it.
2013-02-04 11:08:30 PM  
1 votes:
I'm pretty sure the people moving to the middle of nowhere and making a farking castle are the ones with excess amounts of fear.
2013-02-04 11:06:03 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?


I can't speak for anybody else, but these clowns are one of many things I'm not afraid of. To me, and I suspect to many here, this crook's little ponzi scheme is light opera. Scarey? Not hardly.
2013-02-04 11:04:52 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?


We always show our fear by pointing and laughing at you people
2013-02-04 10:59:11 PM  
1 votes:
It also amuses me that the planned location is in Benewah County.

/balls
2013-02-04 10:59:11 PM  
1 votes:
Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?
2013-02-04 10:54:32 PM  
1 votes:

hagoss01: and how does him being an extortionist have anything to do with their intentions? Unless their intentions are to rob people of their money for a stupid idea to build a walled city in idaho.  All I was saying is that they aren't attempting to defend themselves against a government attack. Lots of people are just assuming that was the point of their walled compound.


I don't think this guy intends to do anything but take a bunch of gullible redneck's money. The fact that he is a convicted crook makes it a little more obvious, but not much.
2013-02-04 10:52:38 PM  
1 votes:

GUTSU: Flooding the compound with highly flammable tear gas then burning them alive wasn't the highlight of the administration.


So, we've established your idiocy. What next?
2013-02-04 10:47:55 PM  
1 votes:
Ya know, I think a letter from the ATF would say something other than "Thanks for your interest, please start building firearms." This just really smells of troll for some reason...
2013-02-04 10:47:15 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: The government will feed, clothe and house you.


Have you ever actually see what the govt. provides them? Why it's just abut enough to prevent them from ransacking you home, raping/murdering you and taking what you have.

Seems like a good trade-off, in retrospect.
2013-02-04 10:44:24 PM  
1 votes:

hagoss01: I'm not saying I want to live here, or that I like the idea, but educate yourselves before just making wild-ass speculations about how nutty these people are.


You do that.
2013-02-04 10:40:49 PM  
1 votes:
read their FAQ. They are not fantasizing about armed conflict with the government. At least not publicly. I'm not saying I want to live here, or that I like the idea, but educate yourselves before just making wild-ass speculations about how nutty these people are.
2013-02-04 10:36:35 PM  
1 votes:
I'm a Prepper, He's a Prepper, She's a Prepper, We're a Prepper, wouldn't you like to be a Prepper, too?

/No.
2013-02-04 10:29:19 PM  
1 votes:
I hate leftists and Marxists so much while loving liberty and freedom that I'm going to help start and join a secure commune of only like-minded individuals and create our own society that is devoid of dissenting political and cultural thought.

Makes perfect sense.
2013-02-04 10:25:17 PM  
1 votes:

Elmo Jones: When the slide flies off, and skull-f*cks you, that'll be the best part, forever.


hahahaha, oh god. My sides.
2013-02-04 10:24:29 PM  
1 votes:

Tremolo: jaytkay: Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

You forgot

C) They are feckless losers without the wherewithal to even begin actual construction

I guess I just have too much faith in the delusional, delusion can be quite the motivator. I do romanticize the idea that there are people this farking stupid and crazy enough to believe that this nonsense is their only protection from tyranny.


Oh, there are, there are - and this convicted extortionist intends to fleece them for every dime they've got.
And I wish him the best of luck.
2013-02-04 10:17:07 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: I'm betting this place ends up as the "ultimate HOA poster child", personally.


I'm thinking armed standoffs with rooftop sniper pozzes over someone putting up a basketball hoop in the driveway or painting their mailbox fuchsia.
2013-02-04 10:15:02 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: Flappyhead: arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.

Wow, the context of these posts are going so far over your head they're dodging air traffice.

There is no context to these posts... its a bunch of unemployed meth heads sitting around making fun of something they don't understand.


Well, trek on over to the Free Republic, and hang around with unemployed meth  heads who are dead serious about things they don't understand.
2013-02-04 10:13:31 PM  
1 votes:

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.


Option 3.  Total scam.  Ground will never get broken anywhere in Idaho due to unnamed issues with local officials.
2013-02-04 10:08:16 PM  
1 votes:
I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.
2013-02-04 10:07:44 PM  
1 votes:

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


Herper-Derper!
2013-02-04 10:03:41 PM  
1 votes:
2013-02-04 10:03:05 PM  
1 votes:
Doesn't the fact that that they had to get written permission from Janet Reno's wet team in order to build some shiat in their garage, actually lend some credence to their belief that the country is in fail mode?
2013-02-04 09:59:28 PM  
1 votes:

arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.


They love USA so much, they want to build their own society? Word.
2013-02-04 09:58:39 PM  
1 votes:

sethstorm: MagicMissile: The government just gave them permission to manufacture their own firearms, the government supports their idea.

Which still means "let them" is the correct language.

That, and the US Government has more than enough firepower and spare capacity to neutralize the contents of this Jonesville and any oath-bound attempts to sabotage said effort.  There's only so far that


Why does your kind get such a hard on at the thought of our government killing its citizens?

Its your kind that should be monitored and investigated if you ask me.
2013-02-04 09:57:38 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: willfullyobscure: They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.

Yes, well, I was using "manufacture" kinda loosely. That what they think they'll be doing, so why not indulge their little fantasy?


Because these guns suck, and these people suck, and it all feeds into a violent fantasy that will likely up up getting them Koreshed. They should be mocked mercilessly, although i suppose they're a step ahead of the waterheads that will buy these ridiculous firearms from them.
2013-02-04 09:55:54 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.


Well, utopian communities have a long, and time-honored history - of failure. But they also are very rarely a threat to anyone but themselves - and frankly, I don't much care what happens to them. Since I was a little kid, I've always been aware of the maladjusted whiners who want to "take their ball and go home" - my response has always been "Have a good trip! And a long one!" This whole story is vastly amusing, and anybody who is "butthurt" about it is too damn sensitive.
2013-02-04 09:51:06 PM  
1 votes:
I hear they are renaming the place "Jonestown West"
2013-02-04 09:50:57 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

Who's freaking out?


He is over what he imagined the article to be and what he imagined the "libtard" reaction to be
2013-02-04 09:48:52 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: Since when do you need an FFL to buy parts and put them together.... oh thats right, you don't.


It really makes you sad to realize they are going to use their license to sell kit guns, doesn't it? You REALLY want to believe that have an entire operation to create their own from scratch in there, dontcha?

You are just ADORABLE!!!
2013-02-04 09:48:00 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: If its a true prepper community, they will have fish hydroponics which is a self sustaining ecosystem of edible plants and fish, as well as gardens, greenhouses, a water source, water purification and so on.


I'm sure you could feed a town of 7,000 people that way if you did it right, but I don't see anything remotely close to "fish hydroponics" in that diagram (the original one, not the altered one above) except for the "reflecting pool". And I'm assuming a true prepper community would have that kind of stuff labelled, annotated and footnoted in any diagrams they drew.
Basically, what I'm saying is, either these folks are "prepping" to fleece the rubes or "prepping" to truck in their meals.
2013-02-04 09:47:08 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: Keep making assumptions, its what your kind are best at.


So cute! My kind. You mean a Montana hunter? That kind? LMMFAO. You are SO into stereotypes.

I'm not making assumptions. I'm repeating what THEY SAID. No "liberal" thought allowed. No "regular Republicans". Stupid, childish, close-minded shiat like that.

I can see why you are being willfully ignorant about it. Hurts your head to have to actually accept it is a Marxist utopia they are trying to create. Think like us. Act like us. Live only as we tell you.

Your kind NEEDS that type of crap.
2013-02-04 09:44:47 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.


They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.
2013-02-04 09:44:24 PM  
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: MagicMissile: I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.

it's exactly as good as the colt or bushmaster or ruger or whatever stock parts they used, minus whatever derptitude they managed to swage in there during the assembly.

If you're reeeeaaaaallllllllly lucky, they're building "guns" out of kits they bought from the back pages of shotgun news.


Shhh. He's living the fantasy. No need to bring facts into it.
2013-02-04 09:39:28 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.

Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.


No. they are building a thought police community. You are only allowed to think one way. Very Marxist. Interesting that you would support something like that. I guess freedom scares you.
2013-02-04 09:37:36 PM  
1 votes:

sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.


Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.
2013-02-04 09:36:07 PM  
1 votes:
07 FFL. Yep, totally gonna be a "firearms factory". Doesn't mean "buying parts and putting them together" at all. Wait, it does.  LOL enjoy the ITAR fees, suckers.
2013-02-04 09:35:09 PM  
1 votes:
talkingpointsmemo.com
f*ck you government! Thanks for the permit!
2013-02-04 09:35:05 PM  
1 votes:
lol, the libtard butthurt flows freely in this thread rofl
2013-02-04 09:34:56 PM  
1 votes:

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


 "Glee that some nutters want to wall themselves off, far away from decent normal people" is butthurt?
2013-02-04 09:34:20 PM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.


Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.
2013-02-04 09:32:29 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


Not get our way? Was there an effort to prevent this that I missed?
2013-02-04 09:30:23 PM  
1 votes:
"Yup. The III Arms Company now possesses our 'Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices' License, otherwise known as an 07FFL, and we can legally manufacture and assemble your firearms. Oh yeah, happy days!"

Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.
2013-02-04 09:26:51 PM  
1 votes:
The worst that could happen? Well, in the process of making the guns they could accidentally create a singularity that alerts an ancient race of aliens to our presence. They would then respond with their full military might, and proceed to kill millions of mammals while rapping those they spare with corkscrew shaped duck like penises, resulting in xenomorphs with acid for blood killing us all. But that's not too likely, just the worst that could happen.
2013-02-04 09:25:16 PM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?



Reading the article I get the impression that government and modern miitary are not their concerns:

The ATF license is an important step for The Citadel project. Organizers are hoping that proceeds from the gun business will underwrite the construction and development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse,

In the event of society's collapse government and a modern military will be in short supply


and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime.

Well who doesn't?
2013-02-04 09:25:08 PM  
1 votes:
I just love watching liberal butthurt.
2013-02-04 09:24:51 PM  
1 votes:

Fast Moon: Why is it that the "I love America more than you" demographic has a strong overlap with the "I'm gonna make my OWN country with blackjack and hookers" demographic?


They really only love select parts of America.  Primarily WalMart, the Blue Angels and Dale Sr.
2013-02-04 09:23:59 PM  
1 votes:

GUTSU: No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."


Probably because there have been other threads on these whackaloons here... before you made your account.
2013-02-04 09:22:20 PM  
1 votes:

MagicMissile: ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.

Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.


I think you mean " "that's because you are a violent murdering racist. " I am also a grammar nazi
2013-02-04 09:22:07 PM  
1 votes:
When I think of this whole Citadel thing, I suspect they are envisioning this

store.nrm.org
But they're going to end up with something more like this

www.madmaxmovies.com

...with all the Thunderdome-y goodness.   IMO.
2013-02-04 09:20:48 PM  
1 votes:
Good luck coming up with a design that isn't patented.
2013-02-04 09:18:06 PM  
1 votes:
They lose an anti-Obama talking point?
2013-02-04 09:16:57 PM  
1 votes:
Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

imgc.artprintimages.com
2013-02-04 09:13:27 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


You seem to assume that the wall is there to keep people *out*.
2013-02-04 09:13:01 PM  
1 votes:

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I see nothing on their website to support your assertion.  They appear to be law abiding people who wish to create a community for like-minded people.  I won't judge their doomsday fears as my opinion on it is irrelevant.

By obtaining the requisite ATF license they remain within the law while pursuing their defense goals.  I do not see how or for whom this is a FAIL.

These licenses are routine, as are gun dealer licenses.
2013-02-04 09:10:44 PM  
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Let them buy guns, let nature take its course and this will take care of itself.
2013-02-04 09:08:29 PM  
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They are taking orders, but delivery is "uncertain".   If these guys actually manufacture more than 3 of each gun, I'll donate a grand to the NRA.
2013-02-04 09:07:45 PM  
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Nice little screed from the guy:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done...you cried to your masters, and you failed them...you all failed...you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch..."

/ Is this the thread where gun enthusiasts tell us how they are unfairly seen as seething resentful paranoids?
2013-02-04 09:07:24 PM  
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Oh great, more nut jobs with guns.  Just what this country needs.
2013-02-04 09:05:28 PM  
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I think Woodbury would be a good name for the place when it's finished.
2013-02-04 09:04:56 PM  
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cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.


You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.
2013-02-04 09:04:26 PM  
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This "citadel" is a great idea if zombies or super mutants attack. As that it unlikely, I'm waiting for the inevitable lord of the flies scenario and resulting shiatshow.
2013-02-04 09:03:27 PM  
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Who run Derpertown?
2013-02-04 08:37:46 PM  
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2013-02-04 08:25:55 PM  
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jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?


I was told that Fartbama O'Taxbongo was the most anti-gun President EVAR. Now I'm starting to think all those people are full of shiat that said that
2013-02-04 08:11:10 PM  
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So you're co-opting a symbol of a revolution that was co-opted by the military establishment of the state it exists in and a few hundred other mainstream groups to show how "off the grid" you are? Nice.  That won't confuse anyone whatsoever, nope.
2013-02-04 08:09:04 PM  
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kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I wonder how we will handle your response. Could be a melting point.

Or, we will shall suddenly learn about nuance and the dangers of black/white thinking.

Either way, well done.
 
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