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(Talking Points Memo)   Survivalists building a walled "Prepper" community get a gift from the ATF: They can now start legally manufacturing firearms. What's the worst that could happen?   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 577
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2013-02-04 10:24:29 PM

Tremolo: jaytkay: Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

You forgot

C) They are feckless losers without the wherewithal to even begin actual construction

I guess I just have too much faith in the delusional, delusion can be quite the motivator. I do romanticize the idea that there are people this farking stupid and crazy enough to believe that this nonsense is their only protection from tyranny.


Oh, there are, there are - and this convicted extortionist intends to fleece them for every dime they've got.
And I wish him the best of luck.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:17 PM

Elmo Jones: When the slide flies off, and skull-f*cks you, that'll be the best part, forever.


hahahaha, oh god. My sides.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:19 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


SHH!  If they figure that out, they won't stay in their little fort.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:27 PM

super_grass: Perfect practice targets once the domestic drone fleet gets rolled out, I must say.

I hope the government makes an example out of them to send the rest of the nuts a little message: stop with your silly little "freedumb" fantasies and or we'll fark you up from 20 thousand feet.


People who like to fantasize of ways to kill people, like you do, tend to be psychologically unsound. I hope you're registered with the local authorities so they know who to keep an eye on.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:47 PM

NewportBarGuy: How could that possibly go wrong?


davidphogan: The worst that could happen? Well, in the process of making the guns they could accidentally create a singularity that alerts an ancient race of aliens to our presence. They would then respond with their full military might, and proceed to kill millions of mammals while rapping those they spare with corkscrew shaped duck like penises, resulting in xenomorphs with acid for blood killing us all. But that's not too likely, just the worst that could happen.

 
2013-02-04 10:25:53 PM
I would pay good money to see these guys vs. an armored division when it comes time to put them down. $1000 for a front row bunker to watch it and I'll bring my own popcorn.
 
2013-02-04 10:26:05 PM

theorellior: hagoss01: Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

I keep going back to their little diagram and I'm not seeing anything there that would translate into food production, water retention or energy generation.


Layout of the Community
At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.
Inside the walls will be more urban/city/town, and outside the walls will be more rural/farmland.
 
2013-02-04 10:26:07 PM

James F. Campbell: theorellior: Probably because there have been other threads on these whackaloons here... before you made your account.

OH SNAP. Less than a month in and one approved headline already? Yeah, he's probably one of those modtrolls.


It couldn't be because of my sparkling personality?
 
2013-02-04 10:26:51 PM

Amos Quito: [m.4tnz.com image 400x488]

^ This thread ^


I raise you!

binside.typepad.com
 
2013-02-04 10:27:14 PM
I wonder how they'll react when the postman catapults their property tax bill over the wall.

And that is the ugliest 1911 I've ever seen.
 
m00
2013-02-04 10:27:53 PM
Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.
 
2013-02-04 10:28:21 PM

Amos Quito: [m.4tnz.com image 400x488]

^ This thread ^


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 10:28:47 PM

MagicMissile: You mean when it flies up your mothers gaping labia


That reminds me: the next time you're at the methadone clinic, tell your mom that she left her 72 cents on the bedside table.

/"up her labia?" You're not familiar with the vag, are you?
 
2013-02-04 10:29:07 PM

hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.


I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!
 
2013-02-04 10:29:19 PM
I hate leftists and Marxists so much while loving liberty and freedom that I'm going to help start and join a secure commune of only like-minded individuals and create our own society that is devoid of dissenting political and cultural thought.

Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-02-04 10:29:50 PM

homelessdude: I hope the Benewah County, ID Fire Departments are ready because stuff like has historically not ended well.
[s20.postimage.org image 300x187]


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-04 10:30:03 PM
Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho
 
2013-02-04 10:30:32 PM

m00: Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.


Nope. Sorry. It's a grifter's paradise.
 
2013-02-04 10:31:44 PM

m00: I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture.


I need a Poe's Law ruling from the thread at large... is this guy serious?
 
2013-02-04 10:32:21 PM
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 10:32:21 PM

theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!


Or that they would easily be deprived of their food source if their fantasy of armed conflict with the government ever came to pass.
 
2013-02-04 10:33:05 PM
Seems they are late to the  party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWbRvuoFJA

They will probably be as successful
 
2013-02-04 10:33:36 PM

m00: Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.


Except the reason they're doing this is to escape imagined oppression. It's a compound by the mentally unstable for the mentally unstable, sure to perish from the earth should it ever actually be established.
 
2013-02-04 10:34:49 PM

hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

[imgc.artprintimages.com image 390x488]


not terribly   per their website, but  in the  event  of actual societal collapse the libertardians will  be too busy  ripping each other off to prepare for winter and  will have to  go beg  the  hippies  and  the commies for some  extra  food.

on the other  hand  they  will be well enough armed that  they could either

a) hire  themselves out as  security forces  for the hippies and  commies to  chase off the roaming  mauraders and  earn their  keep.
or
b) rob the  hippies
 
2013-02-04 10:35:08 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Convicted extortionist a key player in Idaho citadel project


my shocked face
cs11475.userapi.com
 
2013-02-04 10:36:24 PM

trappedspirit: i141.photobucket.com


Yes, we should make a martyr of a guy who f*cked children.

Good call.
 
2013-02-04 10:36:35 PM
I'm a Prepper, He's a Prepper, She's a Prepper, We're a Prepper, wouldn't you like to be a Prepper, too?

/No.
 
2013-02-04 10:38:22 PM

NewportBarGuy: trappedspirit: i141.photobucket.com

Yes, we should make a martyr of a guy who f*cked children.

Good call.


Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.
 
2013-02-04 10:38:34 PM

theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!


I hope they like a pretty basic diet as well. You need a buttload of land to grow food for 7,000 people. Not to mention the crazy amount of land that grazing animals require. Also the large amount of energy to provide power for all those homes and industry/agriculture. It's gonna require a huge amount of capital to set-up the renewable energy that they are talking about. (I'm assuming making guns and whatnot is pretty energy intensive, though I could be wrong). Not that it will ever get to that point.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:07 PM

ordinarysteve: theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!

I hope they like a pretty basic diet as well. You need a buttload of land to grow food for 7,000 people. Not to mention the crazy amount of land that grazing animals require. Also the large amount of energy to provide power for all those homes and industry/agriculture. It's gonna require a huge amount of capital to set-up the renewable energy that they are talking about. (I'm assuming making guns and whatnot is pretty energy intensive, though I could be wrong). Not that it will ever get to that point.



If you are planning on societal collapse you should better prepare for simple living.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:36 PM
I could care less about this lifestyle. I just feel bad for the women ho become victims in their "free" community.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:49 PM
read their FAQ. They are not fantasizing about armed conflict with the government. At least not publicly. I'm not saying I want to live here, or that I like the idea, but educate yourselves before just making wild-ass speculations about how nutty these people are.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:55 PM
Your daily dose of TP derp making the rounds at teapartycommunity[dot]com with complimentary typo at no extra charge.

s20.postimage.org

I wonder if this guy's guns are a threat to proof-readers?
 
2013-02-04 10:41:07 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


They really need the license--they want to build weapons for sale, not merely for themselves.
 
2013-02-04 10:41:12 PM

Harry_Seldon: I could care less about this lifestyle. I just feel bad for the women ho become victims in their "free" community.


Yeah, them women ho.

/heh
 
2013-02-04 10:42:21 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.


Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:16 PM
If the idea is to be entirely self-sufficient, what kind of trade off is there for any county that would provide incentives for them to build there? Property taxes? It's not like these people will be stimulating the local liberal economy.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:22 PM

hagoss01: theorellior: hagoss01: Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

I keep going back to their little diagram and I'm not seeing anything there that would translate into food production, water retention or energy generation.

Layout of the Community
At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.
Inside the walls will be more urban/city/town, and outside the walls will be more rural/farmland.


So when the Feds decide to wipe these guys out, they won't have to assault the walls.  They'll just burn the crops.  Then again, that wall ain't there to keep the Feds or anyone else out.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:24 PM

hagoss01: I'm not saying I want to live here, or that I like the idea, but educate yourselves before just making wild-ass speculations about how nutty these people are.


You do that.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:47 PM

ordinarysteve: theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!

I hope they like a pretty basic diet as well. You need a buttload of land to grow food for 7,000 people. Not to mention the crazy amount of land that grazing animals require. Also the large amount of energy to provide power for all those homes and industry/agriculture. It's gonna require a huge amount of capital to set-up the renewable energy that they are talking about. (I'm assuming making guns and whatnot is pretty energy intensive, though I could be wrong). Not that it will ever get to that point.


You can live self sufficiently on most any land fairly easily with enough people to work the fields..
 Now, living self sufficiently with any sort of quality of life above medieval feudal peasants requires the training, education, technical know how, division of labor and production, high-tolerance machinery, high technology, and logistical infrastructure that requires a modern nation state like say... the United States of America, to accomplish.

/retards
//they probably won't even be able to figure out how to keep their shiat from running into the street and keep the lights on much less make a functioning society.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:56 PM

James F. Campbell: I'm a Prepper, He's a Prepper, She's a Prepper, We're a Prepper, wouldn't you like to be a Prepper, too?

/No.



Not to worry, JFC.

The government will feed, clothe and house you.

And lick your wounds.

/MMmmm
//Wounds
///Slashie wounds
 
2013-02-04 10:45:46 PM

super_grass: Perfect practice targets once the domestic drone fleet gets rolled out, I must say.

I hope the government makes an example out of them to send the rest of the nuts a little message: stop with your silly little "freedumb" fantasies and or we'll fark you up from 20 thousand feet.


Thus why the Citadel folks decided to register with the US Government.  They'd be fighting a quickly-lost battle.

arentol: Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.


They wouldn't be making it ideologically pure as Jonestown or North Korea if there was nothing wrong with it.
 
2013-02-04 10:46:42 PM
and how does him being an extortionist have anything to do with their intentions? Unless their intentions are to rob people of their money for a stupid idea to build a walled city in idaho.  All I was saying is that they aren't attempting to defend themselves against a government attack. Lots of people are just assuming that was the point of their walled compound.
 
2013-02-04 10:46:47 PM
I personally don't care who builds a what where, if people want to live in a bubble, go right ahead.

That said, the cynic in me saw that little medieval urban planning map and heard the "Strategic Launch Detected" in the SupCom voice...
 
2013-02-04 10:47:00 PM

Stanton: Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho


Would making the place resemble a large crater do?
 
2013-02-04 10:47:15 PM

Amos Quito: The government will feed, clothe and house you.


Have you ever actually see what the govt. provides them? Why it's just abut enough to prevent them from ransacking you home, raping/murdering you and taking what you have.

Seems like a good trade-off, in retrospect.
 
2013-02-04 10:47:25 PM
If I had a bunch of money laying around, I'd use it to buy homes in that community to give to black people.
 
2013-02-04 10:47:55 PM
Ya know, I think a letter from the ATF would say something other than "Thanks for your interest, please start building firearms." This just really smells of troll for some reason...
 
2013-02-04 10:48:07 PM

NewportBarGuy: globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.

Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.


I am saying that if I wanted to justify something that horrific saying the guy was a kiddy diddler would work. And I am familiar with Janet Reno's witch hunts. Notice I am not blaming the rest of the administration.
 
2013-02-04 10:49:09 PM

NewportBarGuy: globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.

Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.


Flooding the compound with highly flammable tear gas then burning them alive wasn't the highlight of the administration.
 
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