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(Talking Points Memo)   Survivalists building a walled "Prepper" community get a gift from the ATF: They can now start legally manufacturing firearms. What's the worst that could happen?   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 577
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2013-02-04 09:17:14 PM  

ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.


Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.
 
2013-02-04 09:18:06 PM  
They lose an anti-Obama talking point?
 
2013-02-04 09:19:41 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?


With plenty of ammo loose in crates and exploding barrels.
 
2013-02-04 09:19:58 PM  
Fine, let them make their lower-capacity guns.  Nothing says the government can't just take out the place from the air and mop up with better firearms on the ground.

If it can be done with Waco, I'm sure that there is no issue with neutralizing a similar community.
 
2013-02-04 09:19:59 PM  
No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."

It's basically a gated community.
 
2013-02-04 09:20:17 PM  
Why is it that the "I love America more than you" demographic has a strong overlap with the "I'm gonna make my OWN country with blackjack and hookers" demographic?
 
2013-02-04 09:20:48 PM  
Good luck coming up with a design that isn't patented.
 
2013-02-04 09:21:45 PM  

hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?


Nope, and we can point and laugh at them just as easily.
 
2013-02-04 09:22:07 PM  
When I think of this whole Citadel thing, I suspect they are envisioning this

store.nrm.org
But they're going to end up with something more like this

www.madmaxmovies.com

...with all the Thunderdome-y goodness.   IMO.
 
2013-02-04 09:22:20 PM  

MagicMissile: ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.

Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.


I think you mean " "that's because you are a violent murdering racist. " I am also a grammar nazi
 
2013-02-04 09:22:39 PM  

MagicMissile: Its a free country. Get over it.

It sounds like it will be a great place to live.


If you like the ideological purity of North Korea or Jim Jones, sure.

GUTSU: It's basically a gated community.


Except that it has a more literal Napoleon complex in its population.
 
2013-02-04 09:23:12 PM  

MagicMissile: ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.

Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.


But how do you really feel?
 
2013-02-04 09:23:59 PM  

GUTSU: No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."


Probably because there have been other threads on these whackaloons here... before you made your account.
 
2013-02-04 09:24:02 PM  

sethstorm: Fine, let them make their lower-capacity guns.  Nothing says the government can't just take out the place from the air and mop up with better firearms on the ground.

If it can be done with Waco, I'm sure that there is no issue with neutralizing a similar community.


What do you mean "let them"  lol... you don't have any say in the matter you basement dwelling tard.

The government just gave them permission to manufacture their own firearms, the government supports their idea.

Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.
 
2013-02-04 09:24:51 PM  

Fast Moon: Why is it that the "I love America more than you" demographic has a strong overlap with the "I'm gonna make my OWN country with blackjack and hookers" demographic?


They really only love select parts of America.  Primarily WalMart, the Blue Angels and Dale Sr.
 
2013-02-04 09:25:08 PM  
I just love watching liberal butthurt.
 
2013-02-04 09:25:16 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?



Reading the article I get the impression that government and modern miitary are not their concerns:

The ATF license is an important step for The Citadel project. Organizers are hoping that proceeds from the gun business will underwrite the construction and development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse,

In the event of society's collapse government and a modern military will be in short supply


and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime.

Well who doesn't?
 
2013-02-04 09:26:13 PM  

stuffy: Good luck coming up with a design that isn't patented.


Huh?  Like the AR15?  the 1911?  AK47s?
 
2013-02-04 09:26:21 PM  

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.
 
2013-02-04 09:26:32 PM  
Perfect practice targets once the domestic drone fleet gets rolled out, I must say.

I hope the government makes an example out of them to send the rest of the nuts a little message: stop with your silly little "freedumb" fantasies and or we'll fark you up from 20 thousand feet.
 
2013-02-04 09:26:51 PM  
The worst that could happen? Well, in the process of making the guns they could accidentally create a singularity that alerts an ancient race of aliens to our presence. They would then respond with their full military might, and proceed to kill millions of mammals while rapping those they spare with corkscrew shaped duck like penises, resulting in xenomorphs with acid for blood killing us all. But that's not too likely, just the worst that could happen.
 
2013-02-04 09:26:56 PM  

MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.


There it is again. People who dislike Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?
 
2013-02-04 09:27:23 PM  
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them."

Are these the same masters that they're asking for permits and tax breaks?

Also, I don't think anyone said it couldn't be done. I think most people thought it was a stupid idea for people that desire the collapse of civilization, which makes them sad, scared and pathetic. That's called mocking. Go ahead and build your super secret clubhouse, but realize no one really cares. You can have the whole state of Idaho. It won't be missed.
 
2013-02-04 09:28:15 PM  
Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-04 09:28:16 PM  
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

Anger, paranoia and narcissism. Yeah, these guys sound SO well adjusted...
 
2013-02-04 09:29:13 PM  

doglover: Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?


*raises hand*
 
2013-02-04 09:29:16 PM  

theorellior: MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.

There it is again. People who like Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?


No one is arguing that point.
 
2013-02-04 09:29:41 PM  
91.207.61.14

"I could make each one of you a partner in a mini-mart in Pittsburgh."
 
2013-02-04 09:30:23 PM  
"Yup. The III Arms Company now possesses our 'Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices' License, otherwise known as an 07FFL, and we can legally manufacture and assemble your firearms. Oh yeah, happy days!"

Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.
 
2013-02-04 09:31:23 PM  

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.
 
2013-02-04 09:32:04 PM  

MagicMissile: No one is arguing that point.


You're so good at this! Do another one! Make me proud.
 
2013-02-04 09:32:29 PM  

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


Not get our way? Was there an effort to prevent this that I missed?
 
2013-02-04 09:32:38 PM  

theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.


That's something I don't get about so many of these survivalist communities.  Why do they set up shop in such inhospitable areas?  It seems like areas with a longer growing season and less extreme winters would be better.
 
2013-02-04 09:33:45 PM  

theorellior: MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.

There it is again. People who dislike Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?


Internet discussion has a strange way of doing that for all political persuasians.
 
2013-02-04 09:34:17 PM  

Bloody William: If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.


When they start making anti-air emplacements,that's the quickest path to Citadel Crater, population zero.
 
2013-02-04 09:34:20 PM  

mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.


Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.
 
2013-02-04 09:34:56 PM  

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


 "Glee that some nutters want to wall themselves off, far away from decent normal people" is butthurt?
 
2013-02-04 09:35:01 PM  
Seems like you could just live like that without the whole "walled compound" thing. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
 
2013-02-04 09:35:05 PM  
lol, the libtard butthurt flows freely in this thread rofl
 
2013-02-04 09:35:09 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com
f*ck you government! Thanks for the permit!
 
2013-02-04 09:35:22 PM  

theknuckler_33: Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.


What's the alternative?
Go it illegally and tempt the ATF to hold their next bonfire in this place?
 
2013-02-04 09:35:43 PM  

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it. If experience is any indicator, they'll shoot more of themselves and each other than anybody else, if indeed they shoot anybody at all - which they probably won't.
 
2013-02-04 09:36:07 PM  
07 FFL. Yep, totally gonna be a "firearms factory". Doesn't mean "buying parts and putting them together" at all. Wait, it does.  LOL enjoy the ITAR fees, suckers.
 
2013-02-04 09:36:50 PM  
Awesome.

After looking over that site, I find it interesting that the "Patriots" who will live there won't own the property they're on, but will lease it from the company. They also plan on forming their own bank, with its own currency. Maybe the people working there will also be paid in said currency. That will only be to their advantage.

But then, I can't argue with making money of the paranoid.

If it does get built, I'll have to be one of the tourists who visits it.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:23 PM  
The Chechen rebels have been doing it for quite some time , but I've always thought that gun-manufacturing has been the last bastion of American-made products. I could be wrong, though.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:23 PM  
I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:36 PM  

sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.


Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:43 PM  

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


Please, point out the butthurt.

/yes, I know, he's run off long ago
 
2013-02-04 09:39:28 PM  

MagicMissile: mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.

Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.


No. they are building a thought police community. You are only allowed to think one way. Very Marxist. Interesting that you would support something like that. I guess freedom scares you.
 
2013-02-04 09:40:24 PM  

MagicMissile: I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.


They are 1500 bucks minimum. You're going to have to save up for a long time, fry boy.
 
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