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(Talking Points Memo)   Survivalists building a walled "Prepper" community get a gift from the ATF: They can now start legally manufacturing firearms. What's the worst that could happen?   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 577
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2013-02-04 07:44:25 PM
How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?
 
2013-02-04 07:54:58 PM
III Arms Company

futurama.overt-ops.com

"I said 'harmless' not 'armless'"
 
2013-02-04 07:55:43 PM

jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?


Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.
 
2013-02-04 08:09:04 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I wonder how we will handle your response. Could be a melting point.

Or, we will shall suddenly learn about nuance and the dangers of black/white thinking.

Either way, well done.
 
2013-02-04 08:11:10 PM
So you're co-opting a symbol of a revolution that was co-opted by the military establishment of the state it exists in and a few hundred other mainstream groups to show how "off the grid" you are? Nice.  That won't confuse anyone whatsoever, nope.
 
2013-02-04 08:16:14 PM
Is that like building a pre-compound Fluffer Community so you look engorged and terrifying when the zombie hoards actually invade your root cellar?

- For perhaps the first time in my life, that was not a sexual euphamism.
 
2013-02-04 08:23:07 PM
This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.
 
2013-02-04 08:25:48 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?
 
2013-02-04 08:25:55 PM

jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?


I was told that Fartbama O'Taxbongo was the most anti-gun President EVAR. Now I'm starting to think all those people are full of shiat that said that
 
2013-02-04 08:29:27 PM
Has there been a change in tax law or something that makes this sort of scam more attractive?

www.newscorpse.com
 
2013-02-04 08:35:04 PM
It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

This is pretty much a win/win for everyone involved. The Citadel people get to finance their doomsday shelter, and the ATF gets carte blanche to stick a microscope up their pants if they so much as fart wrong. When you have an FFL you agree to let the ATF come and inspect your stock at any time for no reason at all during an annual "compliance inspection."

Also, if these people are otherwise law abiding there's no reason for the ATF to deny their request. To deny a request simply because their stated goal to build a wilderness fort is pretty obviously unconstitutional. It's tantamount to denying a request because someone said they're liberal or conservative.
 
2013-02-04 08:37:46 PM
 
2013-02-04 08:40:33 PM

Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.


It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.
 
2013-02-04 08:52:42 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?
 
2013-02-04 09:01:39 PM
Sure, but can they build bullets?
 
2013-02-04 09:03:27 PM
Who run Derpertown?
 
2013-02-04 09:03:30 PM
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed.

I don't get why his critics ride the subway.
 
2013-02-04 09:03:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "There are several counties in Idaho that will work equally well for the Citadel Project if Benewah County fails to offer our Citadel Team suitable incentives."


Ah. Not scammy at all, no sirree!
 
2013-02-04 09:04:12 PM
I suppose it depends on what kind of roof they put on it.
 
2013-02-04 09:04:18 PM

"...development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."


If you want to live in a place with more guns and no Liberals, then move to Somalia.

 
2013-02-04 09:04:26 PM
This "citadel" is a great idea if zombies or super mutants attack. As that it unlikely, I'm waiting for the inevitable lord of the flies scenario and resulting shiatshow.
 
2013-02-04 09:04:42 PM
They make a quality American made handgun that jams as rarely as a Glock, but is as pretty as a 1911?
 
2013-02-04 09:04:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.


You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.
 
2013-02-04 09:05:28 PM
I think Woodbury would be a good name for the place when it's finished.
 
2013-02-04 09:05:40 PM
They should do a kickstarter :P
 
2013-02-04 09:07:24 PM
Oh great, more nut jobs with guns.  Just what this country needs.
 
2013-02-04 09:07:45 PM
Nice little screed from the guy:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done...you cried to your masters, and you failed them...you all failed...you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch..."

/ Is this the thread where gun enthusiasts tell us how they are unfairly seen as seething resentful paranoids?
 
2013-02-04 09:07:56 PM

ordinarysteve: As that it unlikely, I'm waiting for the inevitable lord of the flies scenario and resulting shiatshow

reality TV series.
 
2013-02-04 09:08:29 PM
They are taking orders, but delivery is "uncertain".   If these guys actually manufacture more than 3 of each gun, I'll donate a grand to the NRA.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:05 PM
Why the hell do I work for a living? I should just start a hustle like this, and get rich fleecing dumbass rednecks.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:06 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Exactly, fark it. If nothing happens we get a community of whack jobs to laugh at. If the world does end, well they may not be the society I'd like to carry on but a small city is nothing to shake a stick at when everyone else is a tribal.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:11 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Who's talking about nukes? Drones would be far more environmentally friendly, and cheaper.

Heck, even in that futurewar scenario, any idiot could jury-rig a simple drone to drop firebombs.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:21 PM
Think of how many crimes could be avoided if everyone had their own photon torpedo!
 
2013-02-04 09:09:24 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?

Long enough.

Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

The same people who would put a nuke anywhere that screams 'NOT A TARGET' just in case.  We have enough for what?  Covering the globe 21 times over?  They can spare a few for potatoes.

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Anyone with half the know-off who gets a hold of it in said doomsday scenario?  Defensive weaponry is finicky and not easy to use in most cases, but a big bomb?  Horseshoes and hand grenades.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:28 PM
Go be ballistic somewhere else.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:29 PM
After it's sold out, can we lock the gates from the outside?
 
2013-02-04 09:09:32 PM

doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.


The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
 
2013-02-04 09:10:18 PM

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


Gahaha! Classic!

Pig shiat equals methane! Methane equals power!
 
2013-02-04 09:10:44 PM
Let them buy guns, let nature take its course and this will take care of itself.
 
2013-02-04 09:10:50 PM

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


I loled...
 
2013-02-04 09:11:55 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


One can follow the law without respecting it, or the people who enforce it.
 
2013-02-04 09:11:57 PM

jaytkay: Nice little screed from the guy:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done...you cried to your masters, and you failed them...you all failed...you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch..."

/ Is this the thread where gun enthusiasts tell us how they are unfairly seen as seething resentful paranoids?


Sure whatever.
 
2013-02-04 09:12:02 PM

theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.

This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.
 
2013-02-04 09:13:01 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I see nothing on their website to support your assertion.  They appear to be law abiding people who wish to create a community for like-minded people.  I won't judge their doomsday fears as my opinion on it is irrelevant.

By obtaining the requisite ATF license they remain within the law while pursuing their defense goals.  I do not see how or for whom this is a FAIL.

These licenses are routine, as are gun dealer licenses.
 
2013-02-04 09:13:27 PM

Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


You seem to assume that the wall is there to keep people *out*.
 
2013-02-04 09:14:24 PM
Its a free country. Get over it.

It sounds like it will be a great place to live.
 
2013-02-04 09:15:48 PM

MasterThief: kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.

One can follow the law without respecting it, or the people who enforce it.


Just as one can live off of civilization while despising it and attempting to make little or no contribution to it. The two attitudes are often found in the same people.
 
2013-02-04 09:16:19 PM

Glancing Blow: kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.

I see nothing on their website to support your assertion.  They appear to be law abiding people who wish to create a community for like-minded people.  I won't judge their doomsday fears as my opinion on it is irrelevant.

By obtaining the requisite ATF license they remain within the law while pursuing their defense goals.  I do not see how or for whom this is a FAIL.

These licenses are routine, as are gun dealer licenses.


You know what else is routine? MY MOM!
 
2013-02-04 09:16:57 PM
Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

imgc.artprintimages.com
 
2013-02-04 09:17:11 PM
blogs.amctv.com
 
2013-02-04 09:17:14 PM

ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.


Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.
 
2013-02-04 09:18:06 PM
They lose an anti-Obama talking point?
 
2013-02-04 09:19:41 PM

KarmicDisaster: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?


With plenty of ammo loose in crates and exploding barrels.
 
2013-02-04 09:19:58 PM
Fine, let them make their lower-capacity guns.  Nothing says the government can't just take out the place from the air and mop up with better firearms on the ground.

If it can be done with Waco, I'm sure that there is no issue with neutralizing a similar community.
 
2013-02-04 09:19:59 PM
No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."

It's basically a gated community.
 
2013-02-04 09:20:17 PM
Why is it that the "I love America more than you" demographic has a strong overlap with the "I'm gonna make my OWN country with blackjack and hookers" demographic?
 
2013-02-04 09:20:48 PM
Good luck coming up with a design that isn't patented.
 
2013-02-04 09:21:45 PM

hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?


Nope, and we can point and laugh at them just as easily.
 
2013-02-04 09:22:07 PM
When I think of this whole Citadel thing, I suspect they are envisioning this

store.nrm.org
But they're going to end up with something more like this

www.madmaxmovies.com

...with all the Thunderdome-y goodness.   IMO.
 
2013-02-04 09:22:20 PM

MagicMissile: ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.

Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.


I think you mean " "that's because you are a violent murdering racist. " I am also a grammar nazi
 
2013-02-04 09:22:39 PM

MagicMissile: Its a free country. Get over it.

It sounds like it will be a great place to live.


If you like the ideological purity of North Korea or Jim Jones, sure.

GUTSU: It's basically a gated community.


Except that it has a more literal Napoleon complex in its population.
 
2013-02-04 09:23:12 PM

MagicMissile: ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.

Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.


But how do you really feel?
 
2013-02-04 09:23:59 PM

GUTSU: No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."


Probably because there have been other threads on these whackaloons here... before you made your account.
 
2013-02-04 09:24:02 PM

sethstorm: Fine, let them make their lower-capacity guns.  Nothing says the government can't just take out the place from the air and mop up with better firearms on the ground.

If it can be done with Waco, I'm sure that there is no issue with neutralizing a similar community.


What do you mean "let them"  lol... you don't have any say in the matter you basement dwelling tard.

The government just gave them permission to manufacture their own firearms, the government supports their idea.

Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.
 
2013-02-04 09:24:51 PM

Fast Moon: Why is it that the "I love America more than you" demographic has a strong overlap with the "I'm gonna make my OWN country with blackjack and hookers" demographic?


They really only love select parts of America.  Primarily WalMart, the Blue Angels and Dale Sr.
 
2013-02-04 09:25:08 PM
I just love watching liberal butthurt.
 
2013-02-04 09:25:16 PM

KarmicDisaster: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?



Reading the article I get the impression that government and modern miitary are not their concerns:

The ATF license is an important step for The Citadel project. Organizers are hoping that proceeds from the gun business will underwrite the construction and development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse,

In the event of society's collapse government and a modern military will be in short supply


and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime.

Well who doesn't?
 
2013-02-04 09:26:13 PM

stuffy: Good luck coming up with a design that isn't patented.


Huh?  Like the AR15?  the 1911?  AK47s?
 
2013-02-04 09:26:21 PM

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.
 
2013-02-04 09:26:32 PM
Perfect practice targets once the domestic drone fleet gets rolled out, I must say.

I hope the government makes an example out of them to send the rest of the nuts a little message: stop with your silly little "freedumb" fantasies and or we'll fark you up from 20 thousand feet.
 
2013-02-04 09:26:51 PM
The worst that could happen? Well, in the process of making the guns they could accidentally create a singularity that alerts an ancient race of aliens to our presence. They would then respond with their full military might, and proceed to kill millions of mammals while rapping those they spare with corkscrew shaped duck like penises, resulting in xenomorphs with acid for blood killing us all. But that's not too likely, just the worst that could happen.
 
2013-02-04 09:26:56 PM

MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.


There it is again. People who dislike Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?
 
2013-02-04 09:27:23 PM
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them."

Are these the same masters that they're asking for permits and tax breaks?

Also, I don't think anyone said it couldn't be done. I think most people thought it was a stupid idea for people that desire the collapse of civilization, which makes them sad, scared and pathetic. That's called mocking. Go ahead and build your super secret clubhouse, but realize no one really cares. You can have the whole state of Idaho. It won't be missed.
 
2013-02-04 09:28:15 PM
Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-04 09:28:16 PM
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

Anger, paranoia and narcissism. Yeah, these guys sound SO well adjusted...
 
2013-02-04 09:29:13 PM

doglover: Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?


*raises hand*
 
2013-02-04 09:29:16 PM

theorellior: MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.

There it is again. People who like Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?


No one is arguing that point.
 
2013-02-04 09:29:41 PM
91.207.61.14

"I could make each one of you a partner in a mini-mart in Pittsburgh."
 
2013-02-04 09:30:23 PM
"Yup. The III Arms Company now possesses our 'Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices' License, otherwise known as an 07FFL, and we can legally manufacture and assemble your firearms. Oh yeah, happy days!"

Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.
 
2013-02-04 09:31:23 PM

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.
 
2013-02-04 09:32:04 PM

MagicMissile: No one is arguing that point.


You're so good at this! Do another one! Make me proud.
 
2013-02-04 09:32:29 PM

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


Not get our way? Was there an effort to prevent this that I missed?
 
2013-02-04 09:32:38 PM

theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.


That's something I don't get about so many of these survivalist communities.  Why do they set up shop in such inhospitable areas?  It seems like areas with a longer growing season and less extreme winters would be better.
 
2013-02-04 09:33:45 PM

theorellior: MagicMissile: Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.

There it is again. People who dislike Obama tend to have a strange obsession with pleasuring males orally. I wonder why that is?


Internet discussion has a strange way of doing that for all political persuasians.
 
2013-02-04 09:34:17 PM

Bloody William: If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.


When they start making anti-air emplacements,that's the quickest path to Citadel Crater, population zero.
 
2013-02-04 09:34:20 PM

mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.


Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.
 
2013-02-04 09:34:56 PM

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


 "Glee that some nutters want to wall themselves off, far away from decent normal people" is butthurt?
 
2013-02-04 09:35:01 PM
Seems like you could just live like that without the whole "walled compound" thing. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
 
2013-02-04 09:35:05 PM
lol, the libtard butthurt flows freely in this thread rofl
 
2013-02-04 09:35:09 PM
talkingpointsmemo.com
f*ck you government! Thanks for the permit!
 
2013-02-04 09:35:22 PM

theknuckler_33: Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.


What's the alternative?
Go it illegally and tempt the ATF to hold their next bonfire in this place?
 
2013-02-04 09:35:43 PM

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it. If experience is any indicator, they'll shoot more of themselves and each other than anybody else, if indeed they shoot anybody at all - which they probably won't.
 
2013-02-04 09:36:07 PM
07 FFL. Yep, totally gonna be a "firearms factory". Doesn't mean "buying parts and putting them together" at all. Wait, it does.  LOL enjoy the ITAR fees, suckers.
 
2013-02-04 09:36:50 PM
Awesome.

After looking over that site, I find it interesting that the "Patriots" who will live there won't own the property they're on, but will lease it from the company. They also plan on forming their own bank, with its own currency. Maybe the people working there will also be paid in said currency. That will only be to their advantage.

But then, I can't argue with making money of the paranoid.

If it does get built, I'll have to be one of the tourists who visits it.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:23 PM
The Chechen rebels have been doing it for quite some time , but I've always thought that gun-manufacturing has been the last bastion of American-made products. I could be wrong, though.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:23 PM
I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:36 PM

sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.


Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:43 PM

Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.


Please, point out the butthurt.

/yes, I know, he's run off long ago
 
2013-02-04 09:39:28 PM

MagicMissile: mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.

Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.


No. they are building a thought police community. You are only allowed to think one way. Very Marxist. Interesting that you would support something like that. I guess freedom scares you.
 
2013-02-04 09:40:24 PM

MagicMissile: I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.


They are 1500 bucks minimum. You're going to have to save up for a long time, fry boy.
 
2013-02-04 09:40:38 PM
I think we all know where The Citadel is heading:

lh3.ggpht.com

/No gods, no kings, only DERP!
 
2013-02-04 09:41:47 PM

theorellior: sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.



If its a true prepper community, they will have fish hydroponics which is a self sustaining ecosystem of edible plants and fish, as well as gardens, greenhouses, a water source, water purification and so on. They will basically do all the work themselves, even make their own alcohol (which is also legal as long as it isn't spirits, because during the process of making spirits if its not done right it can turn into pure methanol which is a deadly poison) but wine and beer is fine.
 
2013-02-04 09:42:01 PM
They're gonna need a lot of financial backing, and illegal immigrants, to make this utopia come true. When was the last time white folk built anything worth a damn that wasn't on the backs of others?

I guess to keep costs down they can farm out their Integrity to China.
 
2013-02-04 09:42:10 PM

jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.


I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.
 
2013-02-04 09:42:38 PM

MagicMissile: I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.


it's exactly as good as the colt or bushmaster or ruger or whatever stock parts they used, minus whatever derptitude they managed to swage in there during the assembly.

If you're reeeeaaaaallllllllly lucky, they're building "guns" out of kits they bought from the back pages of shotgun news.
 
2013-02-04 09:43:04 PM

MagicMissile: I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.


You've got a stiffy, don't you? You're so cute. It's like you think they've accomplished something unusual.
 
2013-02-04 09:43:21 PM
Well, if that prepper show is any indicator...these types aren't really good with firearms, or anything else...

The two times I have watched it, I saw one guy blow half his thumb off, then he passed out.
Then I saw another guy almost deafen his friend (to deaf!) by firing in an enclosed area.  The friend promptly vomited, then cried, actually, cried...


Sure, give them the right to build their own weapons, odds are it is only to their detriment.
 
2013-02-04 09:43:52 PM

CygnusDarius: The Chechen rebels have been doing it for quite some time , but I've always thought that gun-manufacturing has been the last bastion of American-made products. I could be wrong, though.


Really? 80% lowers and AK blanks are your best friend when you're on a budget. Find someone with a mill and a set of micrometers, or in the case of the AK, a simple drill press and fine calipers, and you're in business for a fraction of the cost. Can't xfer as it's not serialized, but chances are, the guy who's milling 80% lowers or drilling AK blanks at $40 a pop isn't really looking to sell.

If MD takes any longer on my state BGC, I'll probably have been better off milling my own FAL upper. They're up to 4 weeks of backlog now on what is supposed to be a 3 day waiting period.
 
2013-02-04 09:44:24 PM

willfullyobscure: MagicMissile: I'll buy one of their firearms just to see how good it is.

it's exactly as good as the colt or bushmaster or ruger or whatever stock parts they used, minus whatever derptitude they managed to swage in there during the assembly.

If you're reeeeaaaaallllllllly lucky, they're building "guns" out of kits they bought from the back pages of shotgun news.


Shhh. He's living the fantasy. No need to bring facts into it.
 
2013-02-04 09:44:47 PM

theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.


They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.
 
2013-02-04 09:44:58 PM

GUTSU: No where in the article says they made their fort town because they fear the government. Where people got that idea I don't know, since the article mentions they made it because they "want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."

It's basically a gated community.


That's the general assumption, however wrong, regarding such groups. They must fear the government because it's the least absurd idea, however absurd it may be. It's hard to imagine that they really believe society is about to collapse, unless they are actively involved in causing that collapse.
 
2013-02-04 09:45:13 PM
Good for them.  Those guns (if any actually get into production) will become collector items immediately...that is as long as they don't blow up in someone's face while shooting them.
 
2013-02-04 09:45:24 PM

CygnusDarius: The Chechen rebels have been doing it for quite some time , but I've always thought that gun-manufacturing has been the last bastion of American-made products. I could be wrong, though.


You'd be wrong, A lot of firearms companies have been moving production overseas. Even Remington is thinking about moving.
 
2013-02-04 09:45:48 PM

billygeek: They're gonna need a lot of financial backing, and illegal immigrants, to make this utopia come true. When was the last time white folk built anything worth a damn that wasn't on the backs of others?

I guess to keep costs down they can farm out their Integrity to China.


You'reNotHelping.jpg
 
2013-02-04 09:46:53 PM

willfullyobscure: theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.

They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.


Since when do you need an FFL to buy parts and put them together.... oh thats right, you don't.
 
2013-02-04 09:47:08 PM

MagicMissile: Keep making assumptions, its what your kind are best at.


So cute! My kind. You mean a Montana hunter? That kind? LMMFAO. You are SO into stereotypes.

I'm not making assumptions. I'm repeating what THEY SAID. No "liberal" thought allowed. No "regular Republicans". Stupid, childish, close-minded shiat like that.

I can see why you are being willfully ignorant about it. Hurts your head to have to actually accept it is a Marxist utopia they are trying to create. Think like us. Act like us. Live only as we tell you.

Your kind NEEDS that type of crap.
 
2013-02-04 09:48:00 PM

MagicMissile: If its a true prepper community, they will have fish hydroponics which is a self sustaining ecosystem of edible plants and fish, as well as gardens, greenhouses, a water source, water purification and so on.


I'm sure you could feed a town of 7,000 people that way if you did it right, but I don't see anything remotely close to "fish hydroponics" in that diagram (the original one, not the altered one above) except for the "reflecting pool". And I'm assuming a true prepper community would have that kind of stuff labelled, annotated and footnoted in any diagrams they drew.
Basically, what I'm saying is, either these folks are "prepping" to fleece the rubes or "prepping" to truck in their meals.
 
2013-02-04 09:48:52 PM

MagicMissile: Since when do you need an FFL to buy parts and put them together.... oh thats right, you don't.


It really makes you sad to realize they are going to use their license to sell kit guns, doesn't it? You REALLY want to believe that have an entire operation to create their own from scratch in there, dontcha?

You are just ADORABLE!!!
 
2013-02-04 09:48:54 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


You're aware that walls keep people both in and out, right?

If "society collapses" then it will be a high value target that could easily be surrounded and laid to siege, never mind that walls have always been deterrents, not really barriers (see: broad history of siege warfare).

Now, build a city under a mountain, with all the capability of providing energy, food, air and spacing for that city indefinitely and you might have something.  Until then, it's just an extra crispy twinky - hard outer shell but really sweet middle.
 
2013-02-04 09:49:00 PM
Why isn't one free to say what they want on freeper.com?
 
2013-02-04 09:49:09 PM

MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.


Who's freaking out?
 
2013-02-04 09:50:21 PM

MagicMissile: The government just gave them permission to manufacture their own firearms, the government supports their idea.


Which still means "let them" is the correct language.

That, and the US Government has more than enough firepower and spare capacity to neutralize the contents of this Jonesville and any oath-bound attempts to sabotage said effort.  There's only so far that

I wanted Romney to take office so that your preferred insanity wouldn't happen.

Anyway, PLONK to you, shae123, and oreillor.
 
2013-02-04 09:50:49 PM

sirgrim: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 250x188]
f*ck you government! Thanks for the permit!


Weird!

If it was Rejected, then yes.  This should be Thumbs Up.
 
2013-02-04 09:50:52 PM

billygeek: They're gonna need a lot of financial backing, and illegal immigrants, to make this utopia come true. When was the last time white folk built anything worth a damn that wasn't on the backs of others?

I guess to keep costs down they can farm out their Integrity to China.


What annoys me is that if the the Citadel organizers are jumping through the ATF's hoops to be allowed to manufacture guns legally, then what's to stop them from applying to the government for water pipes, sewage pipes, roads, etc., to be built towards the Citadel? If they want to prove they AREN'T moochers living off a gubbymint that's on borrowed time (in their addlepated minds), then they must not take one red cent of money from any government (local, state, federal, or foreign) to pay for anything. Period.

Have fun in your little Petoria, just don't expect us to bail your asses out when the Citadel turns out to be a combination of Warren Jeff's compound and the Donner Party.
 
2013-02-04 09:50:57 PM

fusillade762: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

Who's freaking out?


He is over what he imagined the article to be and what he imagined the "libtard" reaction to be
 
2013-02-04 09:51:06 PM
I hear they are renaming the place "Jonestown West"
 
2013-02-04 09:51:08 PM

MagicMissile: mediablitz: MagicMissile: mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.

Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.

No. they are building a thought police community. You are only allowed to think one way. Very Marxist. Interesting that you would support something like that. I guess freedom scares you.


Keep making assumptions, its what your kind are best at.

This is a free country, I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they arent hurting someone.


How many non-white people are involved?

/I'm just asking questions
 
2013-02-04 09:51:15 PM

Strolpol: doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?

Who's talking about nukes? Drones would be far more environmentally friendly, and cheaper.

Heck, even in that futurewar scenario, any idiot could jury-rig a simple drone to drop firebombs.


Except all the drones were destroyed in the post-war fighting and computers have been wiped out since the power grid's been off.

Don't be a tard.
 
2013-02-04 09:51:23 PM

billygeek: They're gonna need a lot of financial backing, and illegal immigrants, to make this utopia come true. When was the last time white folk built anything worth a damn that wasn't on the backs of others?

I guess to keep costs down they can farm out their Integrity to China.


Yup, the evil Caucasian has yet to work. You sound really dumb.
 
2013-02-04 09:51:53 PM
MagicMissile:
If its a true prepper community, they will have fish hydroponics which is a self sustaining ecosystem of edible plants and fish, as well as gardens, greenhouses, a water source, water purification and so on. They will basically do all the work themselves, even make their own alcohol (which is also legal as long as it isn't spirits, because during the process of making spirits if its not done right it can turn into pure methanol which is a deadly poison) but wine and beer is fine.

A bit of a threadjack, but doesn't turn into pure methanol.  Methanol is naturally present in most fermented beverages, more of it in fermented fruit-juice or surgar-water than fermented grain, and it condenses first, before the ethanol.  So methanol is generally only dangerous when you're an idiot and take a massive swig off the first thing to come out of the still.  Just throw away the first 50ml of runnings and you'll be fine.

/Or so I've heard
 
2013-02-04 09:51:53 PM
which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families"

Outside of a WW2 style conflict, how many people could a factory producing rifles and handguns reasonably expect to employ?

Also, Isn't their planned plot of land something like 4 square miles? Even with only 2 people in an average family they are looking at a very impressive population density for a bunch of survivalists.
 
2013-02-04 09:52:23 PM

fusillade762: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

Who's freaking out?


The idiots building a walled community that requires you to leave any and all free thinking outside?
 
2013-02-04 09:52:27 PM

sethstorm: Anyway, PLONK to you, shae123, and oreillor.


Hey, what did I do? I'm laughing at the dumbassery as much as you are!
 
2013-02-04 09:52:34 PM

MagicMissile: willfullyobscure: theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.

They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.

Since when do you need an FFL to buy parts and put them together.... oh thats right, you don't.


you need one to get the magical lower reciever legally, genius. and the class you get determines what you can do with them. Class i can buy and sell functional weapons. Class 2 is pawn shops, IIRC. Class 7 is "build any goofy shiat you want short of a bomb". Hobbyists and machinists get them regularly. takes about 90 days and $200, but then you have pay ITAR fees and other stuff.
 
2013-02-04 09:52:49 PM
A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.
 
2013-02-04 09:54:02 PM
Reminds me of the episode of Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" in which he investigates whether the world's elite are creating secret underground fortresses for the end of civilization, which would come in the form of a solar flare in 2012.

It's the "ozarks" episode, if you feel like googling.
 
2013-02-04 09:54:29 PM

mediablitz: You are just ADORABLE!!!


Account created: 2012-08-10 21:10:23

It's an election troll come back to play.
 
2013-02-04 09:54:34 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "There are several counties in Idaho that will work equally well for the Citadel Project if Benewah County fails to offer our Citadel Team suitable incentives."


Awesome.  I'll bet counties are just stumbling over each other for the possibility of having this powder keg prime example of American Exceptionalism.  Who wouldn't want such a paranoid stalwart and delusional bootstrappy group of whackos patriots isolating organizing themselves in a hive self-sufficient camp where they will feed each other's paranoia and delusions become even more patriotic, thereby building psychosis love of defending freedom to the point of an inevitable tragedy that will grab worldwide headlines real life version of Red Dawn when the socialists try to take over Murika.

/It'll never actually get built
 
2013-02-04 09:55:07 PM

willfullyobscure: They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.


Yes, well, I was using "manufacture" kinda loosely. That what they think they'll be doing, so why not indulge their little fantasy?
 
2013-02-04 09:55:20 PM
yuuuup. I am SUPAR IMPRASSED with this "manufacturing facility"!!!! Check out the SWEET technology and cutting edge factory floor!!

iiiarmscompany.com

iiiarmscompany.com

iiiarmscompany.com
iiiarmscompany.com

(this is why everyone hates AR owners, FYI)
 
2013-02-04 09:55:54 PM

theorellior: jso2897: Yeah, I don't get it. I think these people are fools, and I mock them - but you, me, or anybody willing to jump through the prerequisite hoops can legally manufacture guns - and as long as these people do so lawfully, I have no particular problem with them doing it.

I have no problem with them manufacturing guns, more power to them. I just think getting a bunch of paranoid survivalists together to do nothing but make guns is a situation with a unsustainable feedback loop.


Well, utopian communities have a long, and time-honored history - of failure. But they also are very rarely a threat to anyone but themselves - and frankly, I don't much care what happens to them. Since I was a little kid, I've always been aware of the maladjusted whiners who want to "take their ball and go home" - my response has always been "Have a good trip! And a long one!" This whole story is vastly amusing, and anybody who is "butthurt" about it is too damn sensitive.
 
2013-02-04 09:56:11 PM

theorellior: sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.


I assume that they'll just build a poorly designed pipeline from the north end to the south, call it Keystone to tweak "the liberuls" and the wonder why they aren't getting all the oil money that Limbaugh promised that would be created by it.
 
2013-02-04 09:56:31 PM

MagicMissile: look at all the bashing going on here over this because a group of people have decided to live their life in a way that you don't like.


The absolute refusal (or inability) to recognize the reason for the 'bashing' is astonishing. Nobody cares about people choosing to live their life in any way they want. They are bashing them for their reasons for thinking they need to do it.  They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse. They are afraid that some massive conspiracy is in the works to try to take their guns or target them for having guns. They aren't just choosing to live an alternate life, they believe in as apocalyptic, and imminent, future. They are being mocked for the latter.
 
2013-02-04 09:56:39 PM

MagicMissile: You guys think you are so free and support rights and all of that, and in reality you are the exact opposite but you are so stupid that you can't see yourself.


LMMFAO. Projection at its finest! No one is stopping them from being paranoid idiots, including the government. They are free to be stupid, just as they are doing. YOU seem to think they are somehow oppressed. Pointing at them and laughing is NOT oppressing them. Allowing them to sell guns is NOT oppressing them.

Yet you are supporting a group that REQUIRES you to submit to only their way of thinking, in order to "join" them. They absolutely refuse to allow differing opinions. They are the truly oppressive ones. One one way of thinking allowed.

Like I said: People like you NEED that. Actually free thought scares the shiat out of you. Hive mind, little boy!

Truly blind, you are.
 
2013-02-04 09:57:04 PM

sethstorm: Anyway, PLONK to you, shae123, and oreillor.


Oh, and not that anyone cares except for me, but it's theorellior, not the orellior.

Carry on.
 
2013-02-04 09:57:31 PM

blue_2501: [blogs.amctv.com image 325x200]


The Governor's Mediocre Weaponsmiths Company. For none of your walker-killing needs.

www.handgunnery.com
 
2013-02-04 09:57:38 PM

theorellior: willfullyobscure: They're not manufacturing anything. the FFL gives them the legal right to assemble parts into working guns. Pretty much anyone that tinkers with firearms gets one if they plan on giving away or selling their kit guns when they're done. Manufacturing is not what is happening here. "mail order gun kits" is what is happening here.

Yes, well, I was using "manufacture" kinda loosely. That what they think they'll be doing, so why not indulge their little fantasy?


Because these guns suck, and these people suck, and it all feeds into a violent fantasy that will likely up up getting them Koreshed. They should be mocked mercilessly, although i suppose they're a step ahead of the waterheads that will buy these ridiculous firearms from them.
 
2013-02-04 09:58:39 PM

sethstorm: MagicMissile: The government just gave them permission to manufacture their own firearms, the government supports their idea.

Which still means "let them" is the correct language.

That, and the US Government has more than enough firepower and spare capacity to neutralize the contents of this Jonesville and any oath-bound attempts to sabotage said effort.  There's only so far that


Why does your kind get such a hard on at the thought of our government killing its citizens?

Its your kind that should be monitored and investigated if you ask me.
 
2013-02-04 09:58:58 PM

doglover: Strolpol: doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?

Who's talking about nukes? Drones would be far more environmentally friendly, and cheaper.

Heck, even in that futurewar scenario, any idiot could jury-rig a simple drone to drop firebombs.

Except all the drones were destroyed in the post-war fighting and computers have been wiped out since the power grid's been off.

Don't be a tard.


Are you guys having a discussion, or playing some kind of bizarre RPG?
 
2013-02-04 09:59:03 PM

theorellior: Probably because there have been other threads on these whackaloons here... before you made your account.


OH SNAP. Less than a month in and one approved headline already? Yeah, he's probably one of those modtrolls.
 
2013-02-04 09:59:28 PM

arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.


They love USA so much, they want to build their own society? Word.
 
2013-02-04 10:00:05 PM
You would think that one of the things that preppers would prep for would be mockery.  None of them seem to ever get to that part of preparation though.
 
2013-02-04 10:00:28 PM

extroverted_suicide: I think Woodbury would be a good name for the place when it's finished.


I see you've been to Minnesota.
 
2013-02-04 10:02:00 PM
Track the their contribution to the GDP for laughs.
 
2013-02-04 10:02:42 PM

arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.


Wow, the context of these posts are going so far over your head they're dodging air traffice.
 
2013-02-04 10:03:05 PM
Doesn't the fact that that they had to get written permission from Janet Reno's wet team in order to build some shiat in their garage, actually lend some credence to their belief that the country is in fail mode?
 
2013-02-04 10:03:41 PM
 
2013-02-04 10:05:12 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Convicted extortionist a key player in Idaho citadel project


Hey look, Romney WAS a job creator!
 
2013-02-04 10:05:30 PM

Flappyhead: arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.

Wow, the context of these posts are going so far over your head they're dodging air traffice.


There is no context to these posts... its a bunch of unemployed meth heads sitting around making fun of something they don't understand.
 
2013-02-04 10:06:34 PM

Fista-Phobia: arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.

They love USA so much, they want to build their own society? Word.


With walls, turrets and a reflecting pool. It sounds like something I'd have drawn in my scribbler when I was 7. They think everyone is intimidated by it or something, whereas everyone just finds it hilarious and a little sad.
 
2013-02-04 10:07:44 PM

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


Herper-Derper!
 
2013-02-04 10:08:16 PM
I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.
 
2013-02-04 10:08:45 PM

MagicMissile: Flappyhead: Wow, the context of these posts are going so far over your head they're dodging air traffice.

There is no context to these posts... its a bunch of unemployed meth heads sitting around making fun of something they don't understand.


Your selective responses say otherwise.

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2013-02-04 10:09:50 PM

jaytkay: Nice little screed from the guy:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done...you cried to your masters, and you failed them...you all failed...you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch..."

/ Is this the thread where gun enthusiasts tell us how they are unfairly seen as seething resentful paranoids?


Here I am and yes, this inbred f**ktard is going to look idiotic when the world doesn't end.
 
2013-02-04 10:10:11 PM

thisisarepeat: Doesn't the fact that that they had to get written permission from Janet Reno's wet team in order to build some shiat in their garage, actually lend some credence to their belief that the country is in fail mode?


Only for a moron
 
2013-02-04 10:10:47 PM
I also like how the III Citadel will be a HUGE strategic advatage for the 3%ers/patriot movement when the shiat hits the fan, yet simultaneously is such a low value target as to be ignored.

DICATOR-FOR-LIFE MALIA OBAMA:  The time has come to consolidate our power and to wipe out the last remnants of white male conservatism.  What are our targets, Captain-General?

CAPTAIN GENERAL CHELSEA CLINTON: Well, there's a gated community of 3%ers in idaho that represents one of the last bastions of open opposition, shall we ready the Reaper drones?

DFLMO:  Lame.  Cold and piney up there. Leave them be. Isn't there any place fun to blow up?
 
2013-02-04 10:10:50 PM
What I find interesting is that these guys are all about following "constitutional laws" of the United States.  That seems to imply that they some laws may be "unconstitutional" and thus, don't need to be obeyed.  That's not how it works.  A law that is passed by congress and signed by the president is constitutional until the courts say otherwise and it is struck down.  Refusing to follow an "unconstitutional law" is a bit of an oxymoron.

Who in The Citadel is going to decide what is constitutional?
 
2013-02-04 10:11:42 PM

mediablitz: "This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

Anger, paranoia and narcissism. Yeah, these guys sound SO well adjusted...


Stage dressing. These guys sound SO ready to cash in on anger, paranoia, and narcissism, honestly. They're looking to fleece folks who think that a "fortified town" with a plan drawn by a 7-year-old gaming fan sounds like a good idea. Give it, oh, about three years.
 
2013-02-04 10:12:12 PM

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.


I take #2 for 1000, Alex.
 
2013-02-04 10:12:15 PM
I hope the Benewah County, ID Fire Departments are ready because stuff like has historically not ended well.
s20.postimage.org

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(ok, chick-fil-a really has nothing to do with this, but I had some extra space and a pics of victoria jackson and chaz the intolerant chick-fil-a chicken handy, so why not?)
 
2013-02-04 10:12:44 PM

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.


I'm betting this place ends up as the "ultimate HOA poster child", personally.
 
2013-02-04 10:13:19 PM

FooWho: What I find interesting is that these guys are all about following "constitutional laws" of the United States.  That seems to imply that they some laws may be "unconstitutional" and thus, don't need to be obeyed.  That's not how it works.  A law that is passed by congress and signed by the president is constitutional until the courts say otherwise and it is struck down.  Refusing to follow an "unconstitutional law" is a bit of an oxymoron.

Who in The Citadel is going to decide what is constitutional?


I think you have to go through assimilation first to find that out
 
2013-02-04 10:13:31 PM

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.


Option 3.  Total scam.  Ground will never get broken anywhere in Idaho due to unnamed issues with local officials.
 
2013-02-04 10:13:32 PM
This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.
 
2013-02-04 10:14:04 PM

tallen702: GUTSU: CygnusDarius: The Chechen rebels have been doing it for quite some time , but I've always thought that gun-manufacturing has been the last bastion of American-made products. I could be wrong, though.

You'd be wrong, A lot of firearms companies have been moving production overseas. Even Remington is thinking about moving.

CygnusDarius: The Chechen rebels have been doing it for quite some time , but I've always thought that gun-manufacturing has been the last bastion of American-made products. I could be wrong, though.

Really? 80% lowers and AK blanks are your best friend when you're on a budget. Find someone with a mill and a set of micrometers, or in the case of the AK, a simple drill press and fine calipers, and you're in business for a fraction of the cost. Can't xfer as it's not serialized, but chances are, the guy who's milling 80% lowers or drilling AK blanks at $40 a pop isn't really looking to sell.

If MD takes any longer on my state BGC, I'll probably have been better off milling my own FAL upper. They're up to 4 weeks of backlog now on what is supposed to be a 3 day waiting period.


So, is there anything left that is made in America?.
 
2013-02-04 10:14:32 PM

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.


You forgot

C) They are feckless losers without the wherewithal to even begin actual construction
 
2013-02-04 10:15:02 PM

MagicMissile: Flappyhead: arentol: A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.

Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.

Sorry, but like 90% of the comments so far are 100% fail.

Wow, the context of these posts are going so far over your head they're dodging air traffice.

There is no context to these posts... its a bunch of unemployed meth heads sitting around making fun of something they don't understand.


Well, trek on over to the Free Republic, and hang around with unemployed meth  heads who are dead serious about things they don't understand.
 
2013-02-04 10:15:29 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Now I got this mental image of Putin saying "fark it, lets nuke those shiats in Idaho too. It be epic LOL."
 
2013-02-04 10:15:54 PM

FooWho: What I find interesting is that these guys are all about following "constitutional laws" of the United States.  That seems to imply that they some laws may be "unconstitutional" and thus, don't need to be obeyed.  That's not how it works.  A law that is passed by congress and signed by the president is constitutional until the courts say otherwise and it is struck down.  Refusing to follow an "unconstitutional law" is a bit of an oxymoron.

Who in The Citadel is going to decide what is constitutional?


Bill Frist and the corpse of Terri Schiavo?
 
2013-02-04 10:16:56 PM
Old news.
There's already a Citadel in Los Angeles and it's prettier and way more American than the Idaho version:

i48.tinypic.com

i48.tinypic.com

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-04 10:17:07 PM

FormlessOne: I'm betting this place ends up as the "ultimate HOA poster child", personally.


I'm thinking armed standoffs with rooftop sniper pozzes over someone putting up a basketball hoop in the driveway or painting their mailbox fuchsia.
 
2013-02-04 10:17:31 PM

hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.


I'm pretty sure the "Citadel" ( gawd, what a hoot that name is) is pretty much designed to separate a bunch of gullible hillbillies from their money.
 
2013-02-04 10:17:53 PM

Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

This is pretty much a win/win for everyone involved. The Citadel people get to finance their doomsday shelter, and the ATF gets carte blanche to stick a microscope up their pants if they so much as fart wrong. When you have an FFL you agree to let the ATF come and inspect your stock at any time for no reason at all during an annual "compliance inspection."

Also, if these people are otherwise law abiding there's no reason for the ATF to deny their request. To deny a request simply because their stated goal to build a wilderness fort is pretty obviously unconstitutional. It's tantamount to denying a request because someone said they're liberal or conservative.


Not "build" as in buying the parts from say, Brownell's and assembling them, but MANUFACTURING the frame which is the gun part that bears the serial number.

Considering that I can buy barrels for a 1911 all day long for $35, I'm really not sure where the profit will be in setting up $5-$10 Million in manufacturing equipment to do the same thing.

Ditto for AR-15 lower receivers which is the part ATF considers the "gun".  It's an alloy cast with a street price of $50-$60, 2-3X that from one of the well known brands, but still just a simple cast.  Worth it?  Maybe right now, but no way will demand continue like this to justify another manufacturer.
 
2013-02-04 10:17:55 PM

sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

[i.imgur.com image 600x800]


I missed the spot where they put the the hospital, the palace of fun, the stone boat, the human chess board and the green dome.

/Is that obscure enough?
 
2013-02-04 10:18:23 PM
I was just checking out the Citadel site and their "Patriot Agreement" which just about every item starts off with "Every able-bodied Patriot".  I wonder if Patriots with cerebral palsy or quadriplegia can apply. I wonder where they'll get the therapy/care they'll need?
 
2013-02-04 10:19:01 PM
They will get as far as selling lots to suckers, then the developers will run off with the cash. Won't be the first time.
 
2013-02-04 10:19:11 PM

jaytkay: Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

You forgot

C) They are feckless losers without the wherewithal to even begin actual construction


I guess I just have too much faith in the delusional, delusion can be quite the motivator. I do romanticize the idea that there are people this farking stupid and crazy enough to believe that this nonsense is their only protection from tyranny.
 
2013-02-04 10:20:21 PM
 
2013-02-04 10:20:37 PM

hagoss01: Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.


I keep going back to their little diagram and I'm not seeing anything there that would translate into food production, water retention or energy generation.
 
2013-02-04 10:20:41 PM

davidphogan: The worst that could happen? Well, in the process of making the guns they could accidentally create a singularity that alerts an ancient race of aliens to our presence. They would then respond with their full military might, and proceed to kill millions of mammals while rapping those they spare with corkscrew shaped duck like penises, resulting in xenomorphs with acid for blood killing us all. But that's not too likely, just the worst that could happen.

That was a thing of beauty...
 
2013-02-04 10:21:33 PM
no doubt in my mind that the permission from the ATF only comes with permission to the ATF to come by any time and check stuff out
 
2013-02-04 10:22:08 PM

theorellior: FormlessOne: I'm betting this place ends up as the "ultimate HOA poster child", personally.

I'm thinking armed standoffs with rooftop sniper pozzes over someone putting up a basketball hoop in the driveway or painting their mailbox fuchsia.


So this:

www.teachingchildrenphilosophy.org

but ending in bloodshed.

/Kindergarten teacher game me this book, anyone else read it?
 
2013-02-04 10:22:10 PM
arentol
A lot of uninformed people a/o trolls here.
Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?
They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

I confess to being uninformed having nrtfa but not a troll
They can do whatever they like given interest, ability and legality for sure
What confuses me are these thoughts -
1 - if you are a US patriot when the world ends, where does that leave you if that is your identity? or is this really patriotism at all?
 2- if you are surrounded by "like minded people" and the wait for the end of the world is long, how do you grow intellectually and not become, instead, incestuous in your views, living in a hall of mirrors?
 3 - If, in fact, the WORLD ends, how do you know that one particular patch of ground will be spared?

I am all for them doing what they like - but its confusing - if the world ends I (if not dead) will mourn all the places and strangers i've met - the only thing sadder than that loss would be to grow up in a walled compound in iowa........ waiting for the world to end.
 
2013-02-04 10:22:19 PM

way south: theknuckler_33: Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.

What's the alternative?
Go it illegally and tempt the ATF to hold their next bonfire in this place?


See the third post in this thread.

/not for answers to your question, but for the point
 
2013-02-04 10:22:21 PM
How could that possibly go wrong?
 
2013-02-04 10:22:45 PM
I am totally preppers. Where do I apply?

 www.liketotally80s.com
 
2013-02-04 10:23:35 PM

MagicMissile: sethstorm: Fine, let them make their lower-capacity guns.  Nothing says the government can't just take out the place from the air and mop up with better firearms on the ground.

If it can be done with Waco, I'm sure that there is no issue with neutralizing a similar community.

What do you mean "let them"  lol... you don't have any say in the matter you basement dwelling tard.

The government just gave them permission to manufacture their own firearms, the government supports their idea.

Go back to slurping Obamas cock buddy.


It's amazing how often conservatives have sucking dick come into their minds, especially when nothing even close to that was in the conversation.
 
2013-02-04 10:23:35 PM
How nice that they are going to build a wall around their community.  It will help to contain the bomb blasts and ensure that they all die in the first round.
 
2013-02-04 10:24:07 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: People who want to join the Citadel - a walled, armed community being advertised online - must pay $208 to apply.


So, a community of 7,000, let's say an average of 4 per family, times $208, means $364,000 simoleans just for the "application" fee.

Nice work if you can get it and aren't hauled before a judge afterward.
 
2013-02-04 10:24:22 PM
m.4tnz.com

^ This thread ^
 
2013-02-04 10:24:29 PM

Tremolo: jaytkay: Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

You forgot

C) They are feckless losers without the wherewithal to even begin actual construction

I guess I just have too much faith in the delusional, delusion can be quite the motivator. I do romanticize the idea that there are people this farking stupid and crazy enough to believe that this nonsense is their only protection from tyranny.


Oh, there are, there are - and this convicted extortionist intends to fleece them for every dime they've got.
And I wish him the best of luck.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:17 PM

Elmo Jones: When the slide flies off, and skull-f*cks you, that'll be the best part, forever.


hahahaha, oh god. My sides.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:19 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


SHH!  If they figure that out, they won't stay in their little fort.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:27 PM

super_grass: Perfect practice targets once the domestic drone fleet gets rolled out, I must say.

I hope the government makes an example out of them to send the rest of the nuts a little message: stop with your silly little "freedumb" fantasies and or we'll fark you up from 20 thousand feet.


People who like to fantasize of ways to kill people, like you do, tend to be psychologically unsound. I hope you're registered with the local authorities so they know who to keep an eye on.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:47 PM

NewportBarGuy: How could that possibly go wrong?


davidphogan: The worst that could happen? Well, in the process of making the guns they could accidentally create a singularity that alerts an ancient race of aliens to our presence. They would then respond with their full military might, and proceed to kill millions of mammals while rapping those they spare with corkscrew shaped duck like penises, resulting in xenomorphs with acid for blood killing us all. But that's not too likely, just the worst that could happen.

 
2013-02-04 10:25:53 PM
I would pay good money to see these guys vs. an armored division when it comes time to put them down. $1000 for a front row bunker to watch it and I'll bring my own popcorn.
 
2013-02-04 10:26:05 PM

theorellior: hagoss01: Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

I keep going back to their little diagram and I'm not seeing anything there that would translate into food production, water retention or energy generation.


Layout of the Community
At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.
Inside the walls will be more urban/city/town, and outside the walls will be more rural/farmland.
 
2013-02-04 10:26:07 PM

James F. Campbell: theorellior: Probably because there have been other threads on these whackaloons here... before you made your account.

OH SNAP. Less than a month in and one approved headline already? Yeah, he's probably one of those modtrolls.


It couldn't be because of my sparkling personality?
 
2013-02-04 10:26:51 PM

Amos Quito: [m.4tnz.com image 400x488]

^ This thread ^


I raise you!

binside.typepad.com
 
2013-02-04 10:27:14 PM
I wonder how they'll react when the postman catapults their property tax bill over the wall.

And that is the ugliest 1911 I've ever seen.
 
m00
2013-02-04 10:27:53 PM
Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.
 
2013-02-04 10:28:21 PM

Amos Quito: [m.4tnz.com image 400x488]

^ This thread ^


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 10:28:47 PM

MagicMissile: You mean when it flies up your mothers gaping labia


That reminds me: the next time you're at the methadone clinic, tell your mom that she left her 72 cents on the bedside table.

/"up her labia?" You're not familiar with the vag, are you?
 
2013-02-04 10:29:07 PM

hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.


I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!
 
2013-02-04 10:29:19 PM
I hate leftists and Marxists so much while loving liberty and freedom that I'm going to help start and join a secure commune of only like-minded individuals and create our own society that is devoid of dissenting political and cultural thought.

Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-02-04 10:29:50 PM

homelessdude: I hope the Benewah County, ID Fire Departments are ready because stuff like has historically not ended well.
[s20.postimage.org image 300x187]


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-04 10:30:03 PM
Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho
 
2013-02-04 10:30:32 PM

m00: Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.


Nope. Sorry. It's a grifter's paradise.
 
2013-02-04 10:31:44 PM

m00: I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture.


I need a Poe's Law ruling from the thread at large... is this guy serious?
 
2013-02-04 10:32:21 PM
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 10:32:21 PM

theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!


Or that they would easily be deprived of their food source if their fantasy of armed conflict with the government ever came to pass.
 
2013-02-04 10:33:05 PM
Seems they are late to the  party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWbRvuoFJA

They will probably be as successful
 
2013-02-04 10:33:36 PM

m00: Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.


Except the reason they're doing this is to escape imagined oppression. It's a compound by the mentally unstable for the mentally unstable, sure to perish from the earth should it ever actually be established.
 
2013-02-04 10:34:49 PM

hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

[imgc.artprintimages.com image 390x488]


not terribly   per their website, but  in the  event  of actual societal collapse the libertardians will  be too busy  ripping each other off to prepare for winter and  will have to  go beg  the  hippies  and  the commies for some  extra  food.

on the other  hand  they  will be well enough armed that  they could either

a) hire  themselves out as  security forces  for the hippies and  commies to  chase off the roaming  mauraders and  earn their  keep.
or
b) rob the  hippies
 
2013-02-04 10:35:08 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Convicted extortionist a key player in Idaho citadel project


my shocked face
cs11475.userapi.com
 
2013-02-04 10:36:24 PM

trappedspirit: i141.photobucket.com


Yes, we should make a martyr of a guy who f*cked children.

Good call.
 
2013-02-04 10:36:35 PM
I'm a Prepper, He's a Prepper, She's a Prepper, We're a Prepper, wouldn't you like to be a Prepper, too?

/No.
 
2013-02-04 10:38:22 PM

NewportBarGuy: trappedspirit: i141.photobucket.com

Yes, we should make a martyr of a guy who f*cked children.

Good call.


Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.
 
2013-02-04 10:38:34 PM

theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!


I hope they like a pretty basic diet as well. You need a buttload of land to grow food for 7,000 people. Not to mention the crazy amount of land that grazing animals require. Also the large amount of energy to provide power for all those homes and industry/agriculture. It's gonna require a huge amount of capital to set-up the renewable energy that they are talking about. (I'm assuming making guns and whatnot is pretty energy intensive, though I could be wrong). Not that it will ever get to that point.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:07 PM

ordinarysteve: theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!

I hope they like a pretty basic diet as well. You need a buttload of land to grow food for 7,000 people. Not to mention the crazy amount of land that grazing animals require. Also the large amount of energy to provide power for all those homes and industry/agriculture. It's gonna require a huge amount of capital to set-up the renewable energy that they are talking about. (I'm assuming making guns and whatnot is pretty energy intensive, though I could be wrong). Not that it will ever get to that point.



If you are planning on societal collapse you should better prepare for simple living.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:36 PM
I could care less about this lifestyle. I just feel bad for the women ho become victims in their "free" community.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:49 PM
read their FAQ. They are not fantasizing about armed conflict with the government. At least not publicly. I'm not saying I want to live here, or that I like the idea, but educate yourselves before just making wild-ass speculations about how nutty these people are.
 
2013-02-04 10:40:55 PM
Your daily dose of TP derp making the rounds at teapartycommunity[dot]com with complimentary typo at no extra charge.

s20.postimage.org

I wonder if this guy's guns are a threat to proof-readers?
 
2013-02-04 10:41:07 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


They really need the license--they want to build weapons for sale, not merely for themselves.
 
2013-02-04 10:41:12 PM

Harry_Seldon: I could care less about this lifestyle. I just feel bad for the women ho become victims in their "free" community.


Yeah, them women ho.

/heh
 
2013-02-04 10:42:21 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.


Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:16 PM
If the idea is to be entirely self-sufficient, what kind of trade off is there for any county that would provide incentives for them to build there? Property taxes? It's not like these people will be stimulating the local liberal economy.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:22 PM

hagoss01: theorellior: hagoss01: Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

I keep going back to their little diagram and I'm not seeing anything there that would translate into food production, water retention or energy generation.

Layout of the Community
At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.
Inside the walls will be more urban/city/town, and outside the walls will be more rural/farmland.


So when the Feds decide to wipe these guys out, they won't have to assault the walls.  They'll just burn the crops.  Then again, that wall ain't there to keep the Feds or anyone else out.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:24 PM

hagoss01: I'm not saying I want to live here, or that I like the idea, but educate yourselves before just making wild-ass speculations about how nutty these people are.


You do that.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:47 PM

ordinarysteve: theorellior: hagoss01: At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

I wonder if people realize that means they'll have to TILL THE SOIL!!!

I hope they like a pretty basic diet as well. You need a buttload of land to grow food for 7,000 people. Not to mention the crazy amount of land that grazing animals require. Also the large amount of energy to provide power for all those homes and industry/agriculture. It's gonna require a huge amount of capital to set-up the renewable energy that they are talking about. (I'm assuming making guns and whatnot is pretty energy intensive, though I could be wrong). Not that it will ever get to that point.


You can live self sufficiently on most any land fairly easily with enough people to work the fields..
 Now, living self sufficiently with any sort of quality of life above medieval feudal peasants requires the training, education, technical know how, division of labor and production, high-tolerance machinery, high technology, and logistical infrastructure that requires a modern nation state like say... the United States of America, to accomplish.

/retards
//they probably won't even be able to figure out how to keep their shiat from running into the street and keep the lights on much less make a functioning society.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:56 PM

James F. Campbell: I'm a Prepper, He's a Prepper, She's a Prepper, We're a Prepper, wouldn't you like to be a Prepper, too?

/No.



Not to worry, JFC.

The government will feed, clothe and house you.

And lick your wounds.

/MMmmm
//Wounds
///Slashie wounds
 
2013-02-04 10:45:46 PM

super_grass: Perfect practice targets once the domestic drone fleet gets rolled out, I must say.

I hope the government makes an example out of them to send the rest of the nuts a little message: stop with your silly little "freedumb" fantasies and or we'll fark you up from 20 thousand feet.


Thus why the Citadel folks decided to register with the US Government.  They'd be fighting a quickly-lost battle.

arentol: Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

They claim to be patriots and nothing about their plan is inherently threatening. So I am a little confused how anyone can get from the information given that these folks are anti-USA, law breakers, rebels, or otherwise a threat or danger to the peace of the USA.

Also, if their goal is to set up this town and live there until the SHTF, then wouldn't it be in their best interest to never break any laws? If they start doing illegal things then the plan will be guaranteed to fall apart, especially if they sell guns.


They wouldn't be making it ideologically pure as Jonestown or North Korea if there was nothing wrong with it.
 
2013-02-04 10:46:42 PM
and how does him being an extortionist have anything to do with their intentions? Unless their intentions are to rob people of their money for a stupid idea to build a walled city in idaho.  All I was saying is that they aren't attempting to defend themselves against a government attack. Lots of people are just assuming that was the point of their walled compound.
 
2013-02-04 10:46:47 PM
I personally don't care who builds a what where, if people want to live in a bubble, go right ahead.

That said, the cynic in me saw that little medieval urban planning map and heard the "Strategic Launch Detected" in the SupCom voice...
 
2013-02-04 10:47:00 PM

Stanton: Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho


Would making the place resemble a large crater do?
 
2013-02-04 10:47:15 PM

Amos Quito: The government will feed, clothe and house you.


Have you ever actually see what the govt. provides them? Why it's just abut enough to prevent them from ransacking you home, raping/murdering you and taking what you have.

Seems like a good trade-off, in retrospect.
 
2013-02-04 10:47:25 PM
If I had a bunch of money laying around, I'd use it to buy homes in that community to give to black people.
 
2013-02-04 10:47:55 PM
Ya know, I think a letter from the ATF would say something other than "Thanks for your interest, please start building firearms." This just really smells of troll for some reason...
 
2013-02-04 10:48:07 PM

NewportBarGuy: globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.

Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.


I am saying that if I wanted to justify something that horrific saying the guy was a kiddy diddler would work. And I am familiar with Janet Reno's witch hunts. Notice I am not blaming the rest of the administration.
 
2013-02-04 10:49:09 PM

NewportBarGuy: globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.

Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.


Flooding the compound with highly flammable tear gas then burning them alive wasn't the highlight of the administration.
 
2013-02-04 10:51:03 PM

trappedspirit: [branchdavidian.jpg]


Someone loves child rape, apparently.
 
2013-02-04 10:51:14 PM
Oh my god, I hope this commune, er, parrot community comes to fruition. I really do. For one thing, it'll be a contained social experiment which should be at the very least, interesting to observe.

But mainly, it's the sheer entertainment value of the idea of these people resisting tyranny by becoming the world's worst HOA.
 
2013-02-04 10:51:43 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: NewportBarGuy: globalwarmingpraiser: Was there any proof of that found? I know the Clinton administration said they did, but I have never saw any proof.

Ask the kids... Oh, wait. You can't. I'm sure it was just a horrific conspiracy. Here, have a towel to wipe up.

I am saying that if I wanted to justify something that horrific saying the guy was a kiddy diddler would work. And I am familiar with Janet Reno's witch hunts. Notice I am not blaming the rest of the administration.


Well, since Koresh decided that suicide by cop was his best option, we'll never know.
 
2013-02-04 10:52:25 PM
he ATF license is an important step for The Citadel project. Organizers are hoping that proceeds from the gun business will underwrite the construction and development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime.

Wait to get away from the liberals you build a commune with the cottage industry is gunsmithing?
 
2013-02-04 10:52:28 PM

sethstorm: Stanton: Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho

Would making the place resemble a large crater do?


ecx.images-amazon.com

"...uferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant."
 
2013-02-04 10:52:38 PM

GUTSU: Flooding the compound with highly flammable tear gas then burning them alive wasn't the highlight of the administration.


So, we've established your idiocy. What next?
 
2013-02-04 10:54:32 PM

hagoss01: and how does him being an extortionist have anything to do with their intentions? Unless their intentions are to rob people of their money for a stupid idea to build a walled city in idaho.  All I was saying is that they aren't attempting to defend themselves against a government attack. Lots of people are just assuming that was the point of their walled compound.


I don't think this guy intends to do anything but take a bunch of gullible redneck's money. The fact that he is a convicted crook makes it a little more obvious, but not much.
 
2013-02-04 10:54:51 PM
Good for them. I don't understand why all the hate.
 
m00
2013-02-04 10:55:14 PM

theknuckler_33: They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse.


So you believe in global warming right?

Is your beef with them that they are planning for any possibly catastrophe and not just the one(s) you have been indoctrinated with?
 
2013-02-04 10:55:24 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: And I am familiar with Janet Reno's witch hunts. Notice I am not blaming the rest of the administration.


Fair enough. Janet was a tough woman with an agenda. She fought hard. Which is why I enjoyed SNL's send ups of hers.

globalwarmingpraiser: I am saying that if I wanted to justify something that horrific saying the guy was a kiddy diddler would work.


They refused entry to federal agents who had just cause for search. That justifies it for me.
 
2013-02-04 10:56:00 PM

NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Flooding the compound with highly flammable tear gas then burning them alive wasn't the highlight of the administration.

So, we've established your idiocy. What next?



So do you think Ruby Ridge was justified? I mean White Separatists and all who refused to infiltrate HAte Groups and all.
 
2013-02-04 10:56:34 PM

sethstorm: Stanton: Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho

Would making the place resemble a large crater do?


Just as long as the concussion doesn't knock over my beer.
 
2013-02-04 10:58:13 PM

Flappyhead: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.


And I'm pretty sure most of them could kick your ass.

Regardless, if they go through the proper channels--which they did--they get ridiculed and called "pussies" for going through the proper channels. Had they opted to manufacture guns without going through the right channels, Farkers would call them terrorists and ridicule them anyway. It's a no-win situation for them and makes people like you look like douche bags no matter what.
 
2013-02-04 10:58:19 PM

NewportBarGuy: globalwarmingpraiser: And I am familiar with Janet Reno's witch hunts. Notice I am not blaming the rest of the administration.

Fair enough. Janet was a tough woman with an agenda. She fought hard. Which is why I enjoyed SNL's send ups of hers.

globalwarmingpraiser: I am saying that if I wanted to justify something that horrific saying the guy was a kiddy diddler would work.

They refused entry to federal agents who had just cause for search. That justifies it for me.


So shooting irritants into a compound with children in it was justified. Oh and did they find any illegal weapons, which I think the warrant was about?
 
2013-02-04 10:58:41 PM

xen0blue: Good for them. I don't understand why all the hate.


Me neither.  Contempt for gullibility, amusement, and wonder that this clown is actually trying this scam - yes.
Hate? no. Why be upset that a con man is going to fleece a bunch of morans?
 
2013-02-04 10:59:11 PM
Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?
 
2013-02-04 10:59:11 PM
It also amuses me that the planned location is in Benewah County.

/balls
 
2013-02-04 10:59:23 PM

NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Flooding the compound with highly flammable tear gas then burning them alive wasn't the highlight of the administration.

So, we've established your idiocy. What next?


Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?
 
2013-02-04 11:01:08 PM
If you buy mil-spec surplus parts and don't care who made em it should only cost around 400$ in parts. Takes me an hour to assemble an AR so say 450 to build a rifle.

If you want a more quality firearm with a accurate barrel 400+ and a good fit and finish on a mated upper and lower 400+ thats where it will start costing real money, throw in a 2 stage quality trigger for another 200$  and you are soon in the 1000$ range


Now if these guys are milling them from bllet themselves instead of buying recievers from one of the 3 companies that make em for 90% of the manufacturers out there it will be even cheaper.
 
2013-02-04 11:03:23 PM

TerminalEchoes: Flappyhead: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.

And I'm pretty sure most of them could kick your ass.


a bunch of cowardly old white guys?

my grandma would lay them out
 
2013-02-04 11:04:12 PM
theconsigliori.com
Good luck to you, especially since your interests don't conflict with mine
 
2013-02-04 11:04:35 PM

m00: theknuckler_33: They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse.

So you believe in global warming right?

Is your beef with them that they are planning for any possibly catastrophe and not just the one(s) you have been indoctrinated with?


So... agreeing that climate change is a real thing and society being on the brink of collapse are the same thing?
 
2013-02-04 11:04:52 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?


We always show our fear by pointing and laughing at you people
 
2013-02-04 11:06:03 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?


I can't speak for anybody else, but these clowns are one of many things I'm not afraid of. To me, and I suspect to many here, this crook's little ponzi scheme is light opera. Scarey? Not hardly.
 
2013-02-04 11:07:28 PM
Perfectly situated for when the Yellowstone Supervolcano erupts.
 
2013-02-04 11:07:30 PM
If they love their country so much, why are they separating themselves from it and excluding a certain type of social ideology?
That's not very American.
These guys seem like terrorists to me.
 
2013-02-04 11:08:30 PM
I'm pretty sure the people moving to the middle of nowhere and making a farking castle are the ones with excess amounts of fear.
 
2013-02-04 11:09:21 PM
Why even bother with static defenses in 2013?
 
2013-02-04 11:09:53 PM
Well, if the property was cheap enough and i could find work id live there. Im sure the first thing theyll do is set up a nice shooting range. Would love to be able to go to a real range and nkt just drive into the mountains for a change.
 
2013-02-04 11:09:58 PM

FreetardoRivera: TerminalEchoes: Flappyhead: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.

And I'm pretty sure most of them could kick your ass.

a bunch of cowardly old white guys?

my grandma would lay them out


Hell, man, my grandmother's quicker and tougher than you pansies! Course she's 6-3, 250, runs a 4.5 40
 
2013-02-04 11:10:38 PM

Giltric: If you buy mil-spec surplus parts and don't care who made em it should only cost around 400$ in parts. Takes me an hour to assemble an AR so say 450 to build a rifle.

If you want a more quality firearm with a accurate barrel 400+ and a good fit and finish on a mated upper and lower 400+ thats where it will start costing real money, throw in a 2 stage quality trigger for another 200$  and you are soon in the 1000$ range


Now if these guys are milling them from bllet themselves instead of buying recievers from one of the 3 companies that make em for 90% of the manufacturers out there it will be even cheaper.


What should I look for in the twist rate of an AR barrel?
 
2013-02-04 11:11:20 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: If they love their country so much, why are they separating themselves from it and excluding a certain type of social ideology?
That's not very American.
These guys seem like terrorists to me.


This is nothing new. Eccentric utopian "communes" are as old as America itself (and, indeed, far older).
90% of them are scams, and 99.999999% of them fail. "Terrorists"? Suckers is more like it.
 
2013-02-04 11:11:24 PM
Great, got that old Rolling Stones' song on a loop...

/yeah, remember Hue
//actually did an excellent job of rebuilding that Citadel
 
2013-02-04 11:11:27 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: So do you think Ruby Ridge was justified? I mean White Separatists and all who refused to infiltrate HAte Groups and all.


Absolutely. If you are f*cking dumb enough to think you can hold court at your homestead? Wake up.

Allow yourself to be arrested and use the court system. Only a true asshole would put his wife and family at risk for his "values" or whatf*ckingever it was.
 
2013-02-04 11:12:10 PM

Iczer: Ya know, I think a letter from the ATF would say something other than "Thanks for your interest, please start building firearms." This just really smells of troll for some reason...


I was about to say......
 
2013-02-04 11:12:29 PM

GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?


I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.
 
2013-02-04 11:12:40 PM
Ok, I kind of get the idea of a separate, isolated community where you can surround yourself by like-minded people and never have to feel threatened or challenged by horrors such as opposing viewpoints. I mean, it's childish and stupid, but I get it. Why bother with the walls though? What problem does that solve? Walls have been obsolete since the invention of the cannon, and military hardware has advanced just a touch since then. When your defenses can be defeated by a cruise missile fired from a ship 1,000 miles away, or a small fleet of unmanned drones controlled by a guy with an Xbox controller in another state, not to mention tanks, artillery, missiles, grenades, and pretty much every aircraft ever designed, it seems like an unnecessary expense.I know that conservatives NEVER spend money unnecessarily, especially on feel-good, do-nothing measures that are designed purely to provide a false sense of security for the paranoid and perpetually terrified, so I don't get it. Maybe it's to stop sneaky liberals from slipping into town under the cover of darkness to soak up all of the glorious freedom and patriotism or, even worse, spread the ghey or something? I guess that kind of makes sense. You know, if you don't think about it.
 
2013-02-04 11:13:28 PM
Can we get a "cognitive dissonance" tag? I don't think "Ironic" would be sufficient for this.
 
2013-02-04 11:13:28 PM
I'm feeling too lazy to read this whole thread, but I hope at least one person before me has drawn the proper comparison to L. Bob Rife and his Raft in Snow Crash.  All these psychos need is a designer drug and pay-to-pray franchises.

10 Creepy Fictional Cults
 
2013-02-04 11:13:34 PM

Frank N Stein: Giltric: If you buy mil-spec surplus parts and don't care who made em it should only cost around 400$ in parts. Takes me an hour to assemble an AR so say 450 to build a rifle.

If you want a more quality firearm with a accurate barrel 400+ and a good fit and finish on a mated upper and lower 400+ thats where it will start costing real money, throw in a 2 stage quality trigger for another 200$  and you are soon in the 1000$ range


Now if these guys are milling them from bllet themselves instead of buying recievers from one of the 3 companies that make em for 90% of the manufacturers out there it will be even cheaper.

What should I look for in the twist rate of an AR barrel?


It's a brand new twist, and it goes like this.
 
m00
2013-02-04 11:14:06 PM

theknuckler_33: m00: theknuckler_33: They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse.

So you believe in global warming right?

Is your beef with them that they are planning for any possibly catastrophe and not just the one(s) you have been indoctrinated with?

So... agreeing that climate change is a real thing and society being on the brink of collapse are the same thing?


If climate change is a real thing and projections are right, at some point all modern unsustainable societies will collapse.

See, this is why liberals aren't serious about their beliefs. If they were, the response would be:

"That's a great idea! We all should be prepared for society collapsing! See conservative gun nut preppers, this is why we need to invest in alternate energy. When the collapse comes 10-20 years from now and there's no more oil or coal or anything else, we want you to be able to plug in your electric Ford F150 into an outlet powered by the geothermal generator in the basement of your super energy-efficient house also covered in solar panels, which you were able to buy at Walmart because Obama invested in the technologies for this now."

Same logic argument for sustainable agriculture.
 
2013-02-04 11:14:09 PM

sat1va: If the idea is to be entirely self-sufficient, what kind of trade off is there for any county that would provide incentives for them to build there? Property taxes? It's not like these people will be stimulating the local liberal economy.


You don't know how "closed" economies work, do you.

When you grow all your own food, the man who's got what you can't or don't grow is now a king. They make rye? Sell 'em gin. They make guns? Sell 'em computers. They have meat? Sell 'em sushi.

They're preparing to make a *gasp* gated community, not a biodome.
 
2013-02-04 11:14:28 PM
talkingpointsmemo.com

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon
 
2013-02-04 11:14:39 PM

mod3072: Ok, I kind of get the idea of a separate, isolated community where you can surround yourself by like-minded people and never have to feel threatened or challenged by horrors such as opposing viewpoints. I mean, it's childish and stupid, but I get it. Why bother with the walls though? What problem does that solve? Walls have been obsolete since the invention of the cannon, and military hardware has advanced just a touch since then. When your defenses can be defeated by a cruise missile fired from a ship 1,000 miles away, or a small fleet of unmanned drones controlled by a guy with an Xbox controller in another state, not to mention tanks, artillery, missiles, grenades, and pretty much every aircraft ever designed, it seems like an unnecessary expense.I know that conservatives NEVER spend money unnecessarily, especially on feel-good, do-nothing measures that are designed purely to provide a false sense of security for the paranoid and perpetually terrified, so I don't get it. Maybe it's to stop sneaky liberals from slipping into town under the cover of darkness to soak up all of the glorious freedom and patriotism or, even worse, spread the ghey or something? I guess that kind of makes sense. You know, if you don't think about it.


Exactly. As I said earlier, static defenses? Not only are they obsolete, it was outdated 70 years ago.
 
2013-02-04 11:15:59 PM

Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon


cdn.trendhunterstatic.com
 
2013-02-04 11:17:10 PM

Frank N Stein: Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon

[cdn.trendhunterstatic.com image 230x150]


That looks like it transforms into Megatron
 
2013-02-04 11:17:33 PM

theknuckler_33: way south: theknuckler_33: Hmm, so you went through the hated bureaucracy to receive the proper, government approved, license to become an Obama administration-approved gun manufacturer?  Wow... you guys are real rebel-patriots.

What's the alternative?
Go it illegally and tempt the ATF to hold their next bonfire in this place?

See the third post in this thread.

/not for answers to your question, but for the point


Its an attempt at Fark-irony™?.

Technically they are preparing for "The downfall of society".
Since society hasn't downfallen we can assume they intend to keep playing by the rules.
I mean, even the founding fathers had to keep paying the kings tax till the revolution started.

/I'd have opted for a ship or one of those colossus like lilypad cities, personally.
/Better defense against Zombies, and ATF tanks cant cross open water.
/I guess they're starting small.
 
2013-02-04 11:18:31 PM
If these last few months of Fark have taught me anything it's that this doomsday colony won't last more than 6 months. With all of those guns floating around, half will accidentally shoot themselves while lamenting their small penises. Half will still be pissed off about never getting a prom date and shoot up a school. While this is going on, the third half will mistakenly get shot by white knight wannabe Rambos who are trying to shoot the school shooters. Brazilians will die and everyone will have small penises.
 
2013-02-04 11:18:33 PM

BSABSVR: Frank N Stein: Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon

[cdn.trendhunterstatic.com image 230x150]

That looks like it transforms into Megatron


I googled "gaudy guns"

This poor, poor Thompson SMG
www.thegunzone.com
 
2013-02-04 11:20:25 PM

NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?

I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.


Are you trying to justify the deaths of 21 children?
 
2013-02-04 11:20:52 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


Well put. +eleventy and an AR-15.
 
2013-02-04 11:21:25 PM

Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon


Neither will anybody else with any brains - it's a crappy-ass kit gun you can get anywhere cheaper.
But the "gun business" is just a prop in the scam - the object is to get money from investors and then do a fast fade.
The guy is a former extortionist, and the numbers don't add up to anything but a big fat scam.
 
2013-02-04 11:25:30 PM
Some 4channer got this one custom

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-04 11:26:15 PM

no talent ass clown: If these last few months of Fark have taught me anything it's that this doomsday colony won't last more than 6 months. With all of those guns floating around, half will accidentally shoot themselves while lamenting their small penises. Half will still be pissed off about never getting a prom date and shoot up a school. While this is going on, the third half will mistakenly get shot by white knight wannabe Rambos who are trying to shoot the school shooters. Brazilians will die and everyone will have small penises.


I'm pretty sure that Mr. Extortionist Guy will be in Costa Rica with the money long before that happens.
 
2013-02-04 11:26:44 PM
the Citadel has already purchased 20 acres atop a mountain in Benewah County that we call our Beachhead

I think Masada is a catchier name than Beachhead.
 
2013-02-04 11:28:02 PM

GUTSU: Are you trying to justify the deaths of 21 children?


Are you really that stupid?

Watch the initial raid where they shot federal agents executing a search warrant.

You really want to play that f*cking game with me? Justification of dead children? Justify, for me, the thousands of Iraqi children with no father because they were killed. Justify that. Police action? Protection of the force? All justifiable and got good men home to their families.

We have laws in this country. When an agent of our duly elected government shows up at your house with a search warrant signed by a judge you follow f*cking orders.

I will not play into your myopic fantasy of a government run amok. You sicken me with such notions. How many more people died after that day because of people like you. How many?

Cling to your Turner Diaries. It is truly all that you have in this world.
 
2013-02-04 11:28:39 PM
I get a kick out of these separatists who LOVE to boast about how patriotic they are... while they plan on building a fortified, walled city to isolate themselves from the rest of the country they claim to love so much.

The word 'patriotic' has lost its meaning because of people like this.  This particular brand of crazy loves to throw it around like a corporate slogan.
 
2013-02-04 11:28:54 PM

Frank N Stein: BSABSVR: Frank N Stein: Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon

[cdn.trendhunterstatic.com image 230x150]

That looks like it transforms into Megatron

I googled "gaudy guns"

This poor, poor Thompson SMG
[www.thegunzone.com image 700x411]


Wait he did guns also.  I thought he only did ugly buildings.
 
2013-02-04 11:30:37 PM

SurelyShirley: Old news.
There's already a Citadel in Los Angeles and it's prettier and way more American than the Idaho version:

[i48.tinypic.com image 640x303]

[i48.tinypic.com image 640x389]

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x512]


CSB; About almost 30 years ago, when this was still an abandoned Firestone factory, I did sound for a student film about a post-apocalyptic police state in there.
 
2013-02-04 11:31:01 PM

GUTSU: NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?

I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.

Are you trying to justify the deaths of 21 children?


Yes, that's exactly what he said.

/rolls eyes
//bangs head on door frame
 
2013-02-04 11:31:06 PM

CygnusDarius: So, is there anything left that is made in America?.


T-bills
 
2013-02-04 11:31:20 PM

simplicimus: After it's sold out, can we lock the gates from the outside?


Hell I say we subsidize it and get all the wing-nuts to move in, then pad lock it.

I hope they have enough land inside the falls to grow food for all the people.
 
2013-02-04 11:32:23 PM

Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


The important difference is their collective is -voluntary- the one the government makes is not.

The walled city isn't to protect against the US military. It's to protect against the roadwarrior hoards.

As to those wondering about the license, they probably didn't want to give the feds a reason to raid them. But the feds will wait. When and if the feds feel like it they'll use some paper work issue to raid them.
 
2013-02-04 11:33:26 PM

GUTSU: NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?

I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.

Are you trying to justify the deaths of 21 children?


Meh, 21 dead children is just 21 more reasons for their parents to have some hot, wild monkey sex to make new children.  Oh wait, their parents are all crispy critters now.  Well, at least they died warm.
 
2013-02-04 11:33:46 PM

leadmetal: Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

The important difference is their collective is -voluntary- the one the government makes is not.

The walled city isn't to protect against the US military. It's to protect against the roadwarrior hoards.

As to those wondering about the license, they probably didn't want to give the feds a reason to raid them. But the feds will wait. When and if the feds feel like it they'll use some paper work issue to raid them.


I don't think anyone's forcing them to stay in the country. Last I checked, they could move to any other place that would take them.
 
2013-02-04 11:34:39 PM

WraithSama: I get a kick out of these separatists who LOVE to boast about how patriotic they are... while they plan on building a fortified, walled city to isolate themselves from the rest of the country they claim to love so much.

The word 'patriotic' has lost its meaning because of people like this.  This particular brand of crazy loves to throw it around like a corporate slogan.


Like Tea Partiers - their grasp of history and freedom is tenuis at best.  But unlike Tea Partiers they are willing to live in the middle of no where and mostly mind their own business.  I don't have a problem with that.
 
2013-02-04 11:35:38 PM

jtown: That's something I don't get about so many of these survivalist communities. Why do they set up shop in such inhospitable areas? It seems like areas with a longer growing season and less extreme winters would be better.


Because there's too many people who aren't white in those places.
 
2013-02-04 11:36:57 PM

leadmetal: Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

The important difference is their collective is -voluntary- the one the government makes is not.

The walled city isn't to protect against the US military. It's to protect against the roadwarrior hoards.

As to those wondering about the license, they probably didn't want to give the feds a reason to raid them. But the feds will wait. When and if the feds feel like it they'll use some paper work issue to raid them.


The collective we call America is indeed voluntary - if you don't like the way we the people run the place, you are free to leave. But if you choose to stay, you are obligated to contribute and follow the rules. Same as any other collective human society ever - and the same as this "Citadel" society would be if it were a real thing, and not a scam.
 
2013-02-04 11:37:13 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?


Where do you get the impression anyone here is afraid of the "Preppers?" Do we think they are being scammed royally? Yes. Do we think that even if the Citadel were real, it wouldn't last long before it becomes its own little self-contained dystopia? Yes. Afeared? Hell no. And the only reason I would even be angry is if the Preppers act like hypocrites and don't totally cut themselves off from all the govenrment-supplied utilities and infrastructure that are going to supposedly disappear soon anyways.

These folks aren't "peace and free love living off nature" LIEburul hippie scum or anarcho-primitivists who want to return to the hunter-gatherer days. They are "the END is upon us!" paranoiacs. Add guns, Objectivist philosophy, and Medieval living conditions, and you have a recipe for a real-life Rapture. Enshrining paranoia and selfishness as core values does not a community make.
 
2013-02-04 11:38:56 PM

gingerjet: WraithSama: I get a kick out of these separatists who LOVE to boast about how patriotic they are... while they plan on building a fortified, walled city to isolate themselves from the rest of the country they claim to love so much.

The word 'patriotic' has lost its meaning because of people like this.  This particular brand of crazy loves to throw it around like a corporate slogan.

Like Tea Partiers - their grasp of history and freedom is tenuis at best.  But unlike Tea Partiers they are willing to live in the middle of no where and mostly mind their own business.  I don't have a problem with that.


Bullshiat.  They won't mind their own business.  Just like the A/N complex, we're gonna see these chuckleheads in every bar in Spokane on a Friday night.  I have no intention of going through that shiat again.
 
2013-02-04 11:39:15 PM

Troy McClure: If I had a bunch of money laying around, I'd use it to buy homes in that community to give to black people.


It would be better to give the homes to liberal gun owners!
 
2013-02-04 11:39:30 PM
A bold social experiment. A community of heavily armed and fearful sociopaths placed together without any means of support in an inhospitable area and with no attempt at any social structure. Should be interesting and I'd like to watch it unfold from a safe distance.
 
2013-02-04 11:40:10 PM
Patriot Act: The end of freedom and the beginning of a police state that serves the bloodthirsty rich!!

The Citadel: What's with these paranoid whackadoodles? Lets bomb them!
 
2013-02-04 11:40:32 PM

gingerjet: WraithSama: I get a kick out of these separatists who LOVE to boast about how patriotic they are... while they plan on building a fortified, walled city to isolate themselves from the rest of the country they claim to love so much.

The word 'patriotic' has lost its meaning because of people like this.  This particular brand of crazy loves to throw it around like a corporate slogan.

Like Tea Partiers - their grasp of history and freedom is tenuis at best.  But unlike Tea Partiers they are willing to live in the middle of no where and mostly mind their own business.  I don't have a problem with that.


I agree. I think it would be great if this were a real thing.
 
2013-02-04 11:41:01 PM

Nuff Said McFarky: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?

Where do you get the impression anyone here is afraid of the "Preppers?" Do we think they are being scammed royally? Yes. Do we think that even if the Citadel were real, it wouldn't last long before it becomes its own little self-contained dystopia? Yes. Afeared? Hell no. And the only reason I would even be angry is if the Preppers act like hypocrites and don't totally cut themselves off from all the govenrment-supplied utilities and infrastructure that are going to supposedly disappear soon anyways.

These folks aren't "peace and free love living off nature" LIEburul hippie scum or anarcho-primitivists who want to return to the hunter-gatherer days. They are "the END is upon us!" paranoiacs. Add guns, Objectivist philosophy, and Medieval living conditions, and you have a recipe for a real-life Rapture. Enshrining paranoia and selfishness as core values does not a community make.


I get what you're saying, but if I may voice an opinion: You kinda shot your credibility in that last paragraph. I mean, I understand that you're angry that some people do not like the liberal political philosophy and enjoy gun ownership, but you don't have to go on a rant about those specific topics. Try to stay on point.
 
2013-02-04 11:42:30 PM
every time I see the word prepper I see "pepper" and wonder if the story gets spicy
 
2013-02-04 11:43:28 PM

m00: Good for them.

I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?

Seriously, reading the comments on this thread is sad.


I think you're reading a different set of comments than the ones on this thread.
 
2013-02-04 11:43:52 PM
Damn man, what's with all the six month or less old troll accounts in this thread?  All the same guy?
 
2013-02-04 11:44:04 PM

KarmicDisaster: inhospitable area


Benewah county doesn't seem too inhospitable. In fact, the "comfort index" is higher than the US average http://www.bestplaces.net/climate/county/idaho/benewah
 
2013-02-04 11:44:05 PM

Bucky Katt: every time I see the word prepper I see "pepper" and wonder if the story gets spicy


It will when the fortress's founder takes the money and runs.

\ooh ooh ooh
 
2013-02-04 11:45:37 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: So shooting irritants into a compound with children in it was justified. Oh and did they find any illegal weapons, which I think the warrant was about?


Are you also pissed they used flashbangs today in a situation in which a child was present?
 
2013-02-04 11:45:51 PM
Sounds like "the Citadel" is a classic commune. As in communist.
 
2013-02-04 11:47:21 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


pretty much yeah
 
2013-02-04 11:48:15 PM

Flappyhead: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.


I seriously doubt the main people behind it actually believe the crap they are saying.  I think to them the whole "Citadel project" is just a great marketing tool to sell their guns and make a healthy profit off of the paranoia of the anti-government/survivalist crowd.  They are not necessarily "pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto", but more like people who hope to profit off of "pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto".
 
2013-02-04 11:51:31 PM
I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.
 
2013-02-04 11:53:05 PM

Bucky Katt: Sounds like "the Citadel" is a classic commune. As in communist.


No, actually, it's classic capitalism - of the Charles Ponzi variety.
 
2013-02-04 11:53:49 PM

jso2897: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh noes, people want to live in their own community.  Everybody panic, dig up any minutia of dirt on them and call them crazy, we can't let this happen!!!

Seriously farkers, is there anything you're not afraid of?

I can't speak for anybody else, but these clowns are one of many things I'm not afraid of. To me, and I suspect to many here, this crook's little ponzi scheme is light opera. Scarey? Not hardly.


He supports a group that is based on fear, while claiming others fear them.

Typical.
 
2013-02-04 11:53:54 PM

Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.


If you live in chicago, you probably know at least a couple of pilots. If shiat gets real, I'm going straight to O'Hare, jumping a fence and getting into the first airplane I see with an open door
 
2013-02-04 11:54:48 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


One UGM-133 Trident II could take out such an easy target.
 
2013-02-04 11:54:50 PM

PerilousApricot: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If you live in chicago, you probably know at least a couple of pilots. If shiat gets real, I'm going straight to O'Hare, jumping a fence and getting into the first airplane I see with an open door


"Welcome aboard flight 832 to Detroit, Michigan. Thank you for flying Jet Blue"
 
2013-02-04 11:56:26 PM

Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.


If our society utterly collapses, few will survive, and those that do will be the random beneficiaries of happenstance.
 
2013-02-04 11:56:34 PM

rohar: Bullshiat.  They won't mind their own business.  Just like the A/N complex, we're gonna see these chuckleheads in every bar in Spokane on a Friday night.  I have no intention of going through that shiat again.


So they are going to a bar - who the fark cares?  At least they aren't sending complete fark'n idiots to Congress.
 
2013-02-04 11:56:40 PM
 
2013-02-04 11:56:48 PM

NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?

I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.


The whole thing was a clusterfark.  It wasn't helped by the disappearance of important evidence, like the doors, which could have illuminated conflicting accounts.  That Koresh was not complying with lawful orders is clear.  That the ATF did things wrong is clear.  How much culpability they had in the deaths of the Branch Davidians is a matter for debate.

/Anyone who complains about sending a drone to kill an American citizen should have a problem with how this went down.  No hostages, no immediate danger to the children, so why the actions that resulted in the deaths of citizens without trial?
 
2013-02-04 11:57:42 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

Ha ha look at that guy in the back... Just waiting for those girls to get a little bit older....


I guess that means he's not a priest.
 
2013-02-04 11:57:53 PM

jso2897: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If our society utterly collapses, few will survive, and those that do will be the random beneficiaries of happenstance.


Oh I agree. But might as well try to have an adventure in your last few days.
 
2013-02-04 11:57:57 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


Logically, you present a black and white fallacy. It is not necessary for the government to be all encompassingly tyrannical for there to be dangerous tyrannical potential in the government.  Similarly, it is not necessary for the survivalist group to be completely off their nut for them to be mostly off their nut.
 
2013-02-04 11:59:27 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "There are several counties in Idaho that will work equally well for the Citadel Project if Benewah County fails to offer our Citadel Team suitable incentives."


Anti-government patriots are demanding government subsidies. Perfect.
 
2013-02-05 12:00:47 AM

Bucky Katt: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

One UGM-133 Trident II could take out such an easy target.


Perhaps. I'm (ahem) fairly confident that it isn't going to come to that. The bunco squad may have to kick in the great leaders motel room door when they catch him, but that will be about the extent of it.
 
2013-02-05 12:01:05 AM

Zeno-25: That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon



i.imgur.com

/♫ Mary Kay got a gun.Whole world undone♫
 
2013-02-05 12:01:10 AM
vygramul -

 posted, regarding the branch davidian stand off, there was "no immediate danger to the children"

 iirc, the stand off lasted many days and included the shooting of law enforcement personnel...and
repeated requests to let the children leave.

 they were in danger during the entirety, imho - and koresh should have let them exit
 
2013-02-05 12:15:19 AM

Doktor_Zhivago: sethstorm: Stanton: Sounds like they're plagarizing the Mormon "White Horse Prophecy" almost word for word. Around 1840 Joseph Smith, feeling terribly persecuted, is reported to have said they should collect like-minded folks and scoot off to the Rocky Mountains to wait for the imminent collapse of society due to the gov'ts destruction of the Constitution. Then, with society in chaos, the Mormons ride in and save the day and impose an LDS government.

Sigh... "Those who don't know history..."

/and please, no nukes
//i live too close
///i don't wanna glow
////a boulder in front of their door would be nice tho

Would making the place resemble a large crater do?

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

"...uferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant."


Tu valde derperis.
 
2013-02-05 12:20:57 AM

jso2897: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If our society utterly collapses, few will survive, and those that do will be the random beneficiaries of happenstance.


Happenstance? Chance favors the prepared mind etc. so,
Celebrity survivalist challenge, who is more likely to survive in the apocalyptic tomorrow?
MacGyver or Walter White?
 
2013-02-05 12:21:19 AM
So a bunch of little boys who won't grow up build a big gun factory.

I'm touched.
 
2013-02-05 12:22:35 AM

NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you trying to justify the deaths of 21 children?

Are you really that stupid?

Watch the initial raid where they shot federal agents executing a search warrant.

You really want to play that f*cking game with me? Justification of dead children? Justify, for me, the thousands of Iraqi children with no father because they were killed. Justify that. Police action? Protection of the force? All justifiable and got good men home to their families.

We have laws in this country. When an agent of our duly elected government shows up at your house with a search warrant signed by a judge you follow f*cking orders.

I will not play into your myopic fantasy of a government run amok. You sicken me with such notions. How many more people died after that day because of people like you. How many?

Cling to your Turner Diaries. It is truly all that you have in this world.


Are you insinuating that I supported the Iraq wars and that I'm a neo-nazi? Also last time I checked the feds don't have Carte blanche to roast 21 kids alive while executing a warrant. Also, your ass seems rather chapped... would you like some calamine lotion?
 
2013-02-05 12:23:32 AM

whidbey: So a bunch of little boys who won't grow up build a big gun factory.

I'm touched.


I think they're the ones who are touched.
 
2013-02-05 12:24:01 AM
fullypsyched.com
 
2013-02-05 12:28:41 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Zeno-25: That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon


[i.imgur.com image 400x301]

/♫ Mary Kay got a gun.Whole world undone♫


What's on the butt, rattlesnake skin?
 
2013-02-05 12:33:41 AM

parasol: vygramul -

 posted, regarding the branch davidian stand off, there was "no immediate danger to the children"

 iirc, the stand off lasted many days and included the shooting of law enforcement personnel...and
repeated requests to let the children leave.

 they were in danger during the entirety, imho - and koresh should have let them exit


It would be a perversion for law enforcement to say the children were in danger because law enforcement was shooting at them.

But essentially, it's irrelevant.  Just like in Yemen, the government has no control over the circumstances in which they are trying to affect arrest.  In both situations, the only question is how exposed you will make your agents in attempting such, and in both, the decision to take lethal action without trial or conviction was made.

And, in both, the "victim" could have, at any time, ended the threat to all by complying by turning themselve in.

One should have a problem with both, or examine why they only object to one.
 
2013-02-05 12:39:10 AM

hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.


I like their use of .Mil and .Gov for military and government.  It makes them sound very in-the-know and not at all like conspiracy-sotted kooks.

/Are they expecting a DDOS attack?
 
2013-02-05 12:39:37 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.


The mere fact that they have to ask for government permission before doing something indicates that their position is correct. The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.
 
2013-02-05 12:43:57 AM

Frank N Stein: Giltric: If you buy mil-spec surplus parts and don't care who made em it should only cost around 400$ in parts. Takes me an hour to assemble an AR so say 450 to build a rifle.

If you want a more quality firearm with a accurate barrel 400+ and a good fit and finish on a mated upper and lower 400+ thats where it will start costing real money, throw in a 2 stage quality trigger for another 200$  and you are soon in the 1000$ range


Now if these guys are milling them from bllet themselves instead of buying recievers from one of the 3 companies that make em for 90% of the manufacturers out there it will be even cheaper.

What should I look for in the twist rate of an AR barrel?


Can't go wrong with 1:7 or 1:8 unless you are using really light weight bullets <55gr
 
2013-02-05 12:43:58 AM

untaken_name: The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.


lol, no.
 
2013-02-05 12:47:57 AM
Every state should have at least one of these. Let the nuts come there and then throw away the keys. Mental health problem solved.
 
2013-02-05 12:50:07 AM

untaken_name: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

The mere fact that they have to ask for government permission before doing something indicates that their position is correct. The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.


if the government wasn't by the people. for the people, etc you would almost have a point
 
2013-02-05 12:52:31 AM
This thread is just delicious.

/i can actually smell the fear
//relax, you're fine
///you don't even live in idaho
////very few people do
 
2013-02-05 12:54:28 AM
vygramul -
t would be a perversion for law enforcement to say the children were in danger because law enforcement was shooting at them.
But essentially, it's irrelevant.  Just like in Yemen, the government has no control over the circumstances in which they are trying to affect arrest.  In both situations, the only question is how exposed you will make your agents in attempting such, and in both, the decision to take lethal action without trial or conviction was made.
And, in both, the "victim" could have, at any time, ended the threat to all by complying by turning themselve in.
One should have a problem with both, or examine why they only object to one.


I am not in law enforcement and iirc they were the ones being shot at at least once (so, no perversion)
if it is essentially irrelevent then let me say we at least agree that the "victim" (in this case, this children you mentioned who were in "immediate harm" and subsequently killed) should have indeed, complied and turned themselves is. Or, lacking that, been released by koresh.
Don't see the Yemin correlation - the Branch Davidian debacle started as the service of a search warrant - generally issued with grounds and perameters and exposing law enforcement to more danger than those being served.
 
2013-02-05 12:54:56 AM

untaken_name: The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.


Federal Election Commission (FEC)

U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) - Contact Your State
 
2013-02-05 12:55:52 AM

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


That, I presume, is a problem bigger than any natural disaster they could possibly prepare for.

Imagine living in a neighborhood where you know every single neighbor on your street, in your neighborhood, and in the entire town, has qualified Riflemen inside, ready to come to your aid at a moments notice, whether to help you change a tire, fix a problem, or cover your back in a firefight with an Enemy of Liberty

"Enemies of Liberty" will infiltrate this society quickly. Perhaps they've already begun.
 
2013-02-05 12:56:51 AM

Sherman Potter: This thread is just delicious.

/i can actually smell the fear
//relax, you're fine
///you don't even live in idaho
////very few people do


idgi
 
2013-02-05 01:00:10 AM

theorellior: sethstorm: Anyway, PLONK to you, shae123, and oreillor.

Oh, and not that anyone cares except for me, but it's theorellior, not the orellior.

Carry on.


Sonofabiatch. I've been reading that as The O'reillor (as in Bill O'reilly) for years now. I'm sorry to say I discounted you as a troll account and didn't really paymuch attention to what you said. Maybe I'll have to change that.
 
2013-02-05 01:01:13 AM

Lochsteppe: hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.

I like their use of .Mil and .Gov for military and government.  It makes them sound very in-the-know and not at all like conspiracy-sotted kooks.

/Are they expecting a DDOS attack?


They're saying now that the Army and the Federal Government each have a domain staked out, they're really officially everywhere now.

I'm surprised the Citadel doesn't have a tinfoil factory on the side.   They'd make way more selling that than guns out there.
 
2013-02-05 01:02:24 AM

FreetardoRivera: Sherman Potter: This thread is just delicious.

/i can actually smell the fear
//relax, you're fine
///you don't even live in idaho
////very few people do

idgi


Then read the entire thread.

/not hard
//you're up late anyway
 
2013-02-05 01:04:28 AM

BSABSVR: Option 3.  Total scam.  Ground will never get broken anywhere in Idaho due to unnamed issues with local officials.


You're too cynical, man. FTdifferentFA:

The application fee is $208, which will be refunded (minus a $33 administrative fee) if an application is not accepted.

See? If for any reason they don't let me into the town they may or may not build, I get 84% of my money back! Now how could that be a scam, I ask you?
 
2013-02-05 01:05:04 AM

TopoGigo: I've been reading that as The O'reillor


LOL no kidding.  Only I kept asking myself wtf was an "oreillor."  Is it like some obscure craft or trade?

And I'd never put the dude on ignore. He's one of the craftiest bastards here.
 
2013-02-05 01:06:55 AM

cameroncrazy1984: untaken_name: The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.

lol, no.


Well, technically, they do.  And they did.  And we said yes.

All power, consent of the governed... something like that.
 
2013-02-05 01:07:09 AM

Sherman Potter: FreetardoRivera: Sherman Potter: This thread is just delicious.

/i can actually smell the fear
//relax, you're fine
///you don't even live in idaho
////very few people do

idgi

Then read the entire thread.

/not hard
//you're up late anyway


whole thread appears to be people making reasonable assumptions and making fun of a bunch of  cowardly babies

you should read it
 
2013-02-05 01:08:14 AM

whidbey: Lochsteppe: hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.

I like their use of .Mil and .Gov for military and government.  It makes them sound very in-the-know and not at all like conspiracy-sotted kooks.

/Are they expecting a DDOS attack?

They're saying now that the Army and the Federal Government each have a domain staked out, they're really officially everywhere now.

I'm surprised the Citadel doesn't have a tinfoil factory on the side.   They'd make way more selling that than guns out there.


Unless they've discovered that tin foil is plotting against them.
 
2013-02-05 01:09:06 AM

Lochsteppe: Unless they've discovered that tin foil is plotting against them.


It's made in China.
 
2013-02-05 01:09:45 AM

Frank N Stein: PerilousApricot: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If you live in chicago, you probably know at least a couple of pilots. If shiat gets real, I'm going straight to O'Hare, jumping a fence and getting into the first airplane I see with an open door

"Welcome aboard flight 832 to Detroit, Michigan. Thank you for flying Jet Blue"


Detroit might actually end up being better if society collapses.
 
2013-02-05 01:11:29 AM

GUTSU: Also last time I checked the feds don't have Carte blanche to roast 21 kids alive while executing a warrant.


Oh yeah, they went in there with the full intention of roasting those 21 kids alive.  I salute your, sir.  That is some mighty fine derp you have going on.


Ready. Aim. Roll!
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Ready. Aim. Roll!
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2013-02-05 01:13:05 AM

FreetardoRivera: Sherman Potter: FreetardoRivera: Sherman Potter: This thread is just delicious.

/i can actually smell the fear
//relax, you're fine
///you don't even live in idaho
////very few people do

idgi

Then read the entire thread.

/not hard
//you're up late anyway

whole thread appears to be people making reasonable assumptions and making fun of a bunch of  cowardly babies

you should read it


You don't need to worry about it. Everything will be okay.

Can I get you something? A tissue, perhaps?
 
2013-02-05 01:16:38 AM
Nothing is quite as dangerous as those that build utopias.
 
2013-02-05 01:16:53 AM

Lochsteppe: whidbey: Lochsteppe: hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.

I like their use of .Mil and .Gov for military and government.  It makes them sound very in-the-know and not at all like conspiracy-sotted kooks.

/Are they expecting a DDOS attack?

They're saying now that the Army and the Federal Government each have a domain staked out, they're really officially everywhere now.

I'm surprised the Citadel doesn't have a tinfoil factory on the side.   They'd make way more selling that than guns out there.

Unless they've discovered that tin foil is plotting against them.


Given the amount of money it would take to build a castle wall around a small town I am betting that the founder of this project is just hoping to sucker in some donors so he can take the money and head off to the the Caymans.
 
2013-02-05 01:17:23 AM

moothemagiccow: coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?

That, I presume, is a problem bigger than any natural disaster they could possibly prepare for.

Imagine living in a neighborhood where you know every single neighbor on your street, in your neighborhood, and in the entire town, has qualified Riflemen inside, ready to come to your aid at a moments notice, whether to help you change a tire, fix a problem, or cover your back in a firefight with an Enemy of Liberty

"Enemies of Liberty" will infiltrate this society quickly. Perhaps they've already begun.


houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com

I can't wait to see how this unfolds.  Unfortunately, my money is on the organizers fleecing the rubes for a few million then fleeing the country.
 
2013-02-05 01:19:57 AM

Mock26: GUTSU: Also last time I checked the feds don't have Carte blanche to roast 21 kids alive while executing a warrant.

Oh yeah, they went in there with the full intention of roasting those 21 kids alive.  I salute your, sir.  That is some mighty fine derp you have going on.


Ready. Aim. Roll!
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Ready. Aim. Roll!
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All while he's glossing over the fact that you don't have the right to fight a warrant with bullets and making sure the only way to get to you is by burning up a bunch of kids.
 
2013-02-05 01:20:51 AM
I am thinking the head guy is a true believer, but the middle men are the fleecers.  Once the fleecing begins, the paranoia will take over, and the collapse will start.  The violence of the collapse will be in direct relation to the resistance against the collapse.

/these idiots are reinventing the wheel
//move to montana, join a hutterite community
 
2013-02-05 01:24:44 AM
Kurt Russell
In

ESCAPE FROM IDAHO!!!

Coming to a theater near you this Christmas!!!
 
2013-02-05 01:26:02 AM

snowshovel: theorellior: sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.

I assume that they'll just build a poorly designed pipeline from the north end to the south, call it Keystone to tweak "the liberuls" and the wonder why they aren't getting all the oil money that Limbaugh promised that would be created by it.


Looks like 1,750 people per square mile, minimum, and I don't see space for a sewage treatment plant on that little map, either. Sim City fail.

While they're off playing in their lease-only town with commune-al responsibilities, they'd better hope the rest of us manage to save Social Security and Medicare for them.
 
2013-02-05 01:31:59 AM

PerilousApricot: Frank N Stein: PerilousApricot: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If you live in chicago, you probably know at least a couple of pilots. If shiat gets real, I'm going straight to O'Hare, jumping a fence and getting into the first airplane I see with an open door

"Welcome aboard flight 832 to Detroit, Michigan. Thank you for flying Jet Blue"

Detroit might actually end up being better if society collapses.


Well, sure. They're used to it.
 
2013-02-05 01:32:10 AM

FormlessOne: I'm betting this place ends up as the "ultimate HOA poster child", personally.


Dave, the Board asked me to speak to you in the hopes that we could resolve this amicably. It's just that your machine gun nest is covered in desert camouflage, and the Community Appearance Guidelines clearly specify that all gun emplacements should be tastefully covered in woodland camouflage. Now, we know you're a bit of a free spirit, so we turned a blind eye when you put a gold fringe on your Citadel flag, and we didn't say anything when you didn't put out luminaria for our town's celebration of the anniversary of Ruby Ridge. We're not unreasonable tyrants, after all, ha ha! So how about you go ahead and fix that camo? We're all just trying to make a nice neighborhood for our kids, after all.
 
2013-02-05 01:32:12 AM

Frank N Stein: jso2897: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If our society utterly collapses, few will survive, and those that do will be the random beneficiaries of happenstance.

Oh I agree. But might as well try to have an adventure in your last few days.


Here in Seattle, we all believe that beyond our borders polite and decent society has already utterly collapsed, and we conduct ourselves accordingly. Some people think of us as insular and aloof, but we think of ourselves as the only survivors of a zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-02-05 01:32:42 AM

Tremolo: I see this going either of two ways.

Either they're going to build this place and actually wall it up and a few months to a year later we'll all start hearing crazy stories from people cast out of the community for ideological impurity, someone's going to start a cult of personality, and that's when the shiat will really hit the fan.

Or more likely it's just going to be a semi gated community (they'll get bored with building the wall) where no one really has anything to talk about except how much they hate liberals and how much they wish they had trash pickup. Basically it'll be Kansas, but in Idaho. So really it'll just be like anywhere else in Idaho.

I can't wait, it's obvious what I'm pulling for.


You forgot C.
Developer absconds to South America with 3,000 families'...no, grandparents'...security deposits.
 
2013-02-05 01:34:05 AM

Mock26: Lochsteppe: whidbey: Lochsteppe: hagoss01: This group never stated that they were prepping for "tyrannical government" but more for a situation where the government isn't able to protect them, such as a nationwide blackout or other large scale natural disaster.  And also, because they wanted to get away from liberals, marxists, etc.

From their FAQ:
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?
The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.
The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.

I like their use of .Mil and .Gov for military and government.  It makes them sound very in-the-know and not at all like conspiracy-sotted kooks.

/Are they expecting a DDOS attack?

They're saying now that the Army and the Federal Government each have a domain staked out, they're really officially everywhere now.

I'm surprised the Citadel doesn't have a tinfoil factory on the side.   They'd make way more selling that than guns out there.

Unless they've discovered that tin foil is plotting against them.

Given the amount of money it would take to build a castle wall around a small town I am betting that the founder of this project is just hoping to sucker in some donors so he can take the money and head off to the the Caymans.


Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that. If they want something that's decently high/thick. How much money will it take to build a fence/wall that can surround a square mile + all the interior walls??
 
2013-02-05 01:42:57 AM

untaken_name: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

The mere fact that they have to ask for government permission before doing something indicates that their position is correct. The government is supposed to ask the people for permission to do things - not the other way around.


The government IS the people. The government DID ask the people. We, the people, said we don't want any farkwad making guns. We want it regulated.

Pretending you can say "the government" like it isn't people we elected, makes you look pretty childish an naive.
 
2013-02-05 01:47:40 AM

arentol: Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?


I AM a bit worried about what people with that mindset will do to their women and children at home..
 
2013-02-05 01:50:09 AM
This sounds like "Almost Heaven" Part II.  Almost Heaven was Bo Gritz's failed Prepper community in Kamiah, ID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Gritz


/Feeling surrounded by crazies....
 
2013-02-05 01:50:50 AM
The ATF does not grant the right to manufacture arms. The law does. If they comply with the law, the ATF has no reason to stop them.
 
2013-02-05 01:54:30 AM

Alphax: arentol: Their stated goal is to build a small town for like-minded people to live in and be prepared in case the SHTF. They aren't hurting anyone else so WTF is your problem with this?

I AM a bit worried about what people with that mindset will do to their women and children at home..


Probably nothing worse than non-preppers do in much large numbers
 
2013-02-05 02:15:40 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.


It's the same pattern of thought that rationalizes the 2nd Amendment being against government tyranny. They believe so strongly in what they perceive as permission from the government to fight against said government if necessary. But only with the government's permission.
 
2013-02-05 02:18:48 AM

fknra: The ATF does not grant the right to manufacture arms. The law does. If they comply with the law, the ATF has no reason to stop them.


And the ATF does not make the law.
 
2013-02-05 02:19:05 AM

brap: Is that like building a pre-compound Fluffer Community so you look engorged and terrifying when the zombie hoards actually invade your root cellar?

- For perhaps the first time in my life, that was not a sexual euphamism.


depends on what you're into
 
2013-02-05 02:26:42 AM

brap: Is that like building a pre-compound Fluffer Community so you look engorged and terrifying when the zombie hoards actually invade your root cellar?

- For perhaps the first time in my life, that was not a sexual euphamism.


Also a fluffer community sounds fun, if it's like, full of bunnies and chinchillae, and guinea piggies and unicorns and stuff.


Alternately,
When they came for the marshmallows, I said nothing...

Underground community of illegal marshmallow fluff makers.
Baking Bad?
Here comes Honey Boo-Boo again-Hidethemarshmallows?
Danish Mafia?
I got nutter. I mean nuttin'.
 
2013-02-05 02:32:18 AM

MagicMissile: ordinarysteve: theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.

Thats because you are a violent murdering racist.


Who did he murder and how is that racist?
 
2013-02-05 02:33:51 AM

Amos Quito: ^ This thread ^


She pissed herself from laughing too hard?
 
2013-02-05 02:38:12 AM
If the world gets bad enough that the survivalists have to start surviving, then nobody is going to last past their reserves of stocks.

We either learn to survive in space now or we accept the inevitable fate of every planet-bound form of life. A natural extinction due to geologic or solar change.
 
2013-02-05 02:41:53 AM

MagicMissile: mediablitz: MagicMissile: Shae123: I just love watching liberal butthurt.

So do I,  nothing like watching control freaks not get their way and freak out.

The control freaks GOT their way. They are building a walled "community", remember? They can't HANDLE the real world, so they have to retreat to their controlled paranoia.

Nah, they are just building a community where if the shiat hit the fan, they can close the gates and have more preparedness and protection than the average person.

You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world and smoking meth.


Sure, we're the crazy ones.
 
2013-02-05 02:48:28 AM

Mock26: Oh yeah, they went in there with the full intention of roasting those 21 kids alive.


Sarcasm aside, the Federal response to Waco and then Ruby Ridge were horrible mistakes and the government created a task force to prevent such cluster farks in similar situations ever again almost as soon as the kids stopped smouldering.
 
2013-02-05 02:55:07 AM
I mean seriously! I've occasionally farked up in my life, but no government agency has ever made a task force to prevent my mistakes from occurring again in the future. Do you have any idea how bad you have fark up for that happen? You have light 21 kids on fire. You have to shoot an unarmed woman who is holding her baby on national TV. That is how badly you have to fark up to get a task force created. And the creation of that task force? That's a monument to society's acknowledgement beyond a shadow of a doubt that YOU DONE GOOFED.
 
2013-02-05 03:17:30 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: CygnusDarius: So, is there anything left that is made in America?.

T-bills


Does diabetes count?
 
2013-02-05 03:25:19 AM

Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.


It would depend on the cause of unrest, but if Florida goes to pot--well, worse than it is already--and everything's breaking down, I'd probably steal a sailboat and head to Cuba. I figure even a n00b should be able to make it to there.
 
2013-02-05 03:30:10 AM
reminds me about the Drill Sargent and 2 recruits that come across a magic lamp.

the first recruit wishes that he was back in his barracks with all the pizza beer and women he could handle.
the second recruit wishes that he was back in his barracks with his buddy and that there is a 100ft tall impenetrable wall to keep out the drill sargent. and poof! they were gone.

the Drill Sargent thinks for a moment and asks the genie, so this wall. it completely circles the barracks and nothing can get in or out at all?

Yes the genie answers.

GREAT! exclaims the Drill Sargent, and with an evil smile and chuckle, he says.....


w


a


i


t


f


o


r

i


t....

"Fill it with water"
 
2013-02-05 03:45:52 AM

Sherman Potter: fknra: The ATF does not grant the right to manufacture arms. The law does. If they comply with the law, the ATF has no reason to stop them.

And the ATF does not make the law.


Horse Hockey!
/actually, I think the point they are making.
 
2013-02-05 03:48:58 AM

fknra: reminds me about the Drill Sargent and 2 recruits that come across a magic lamp.

the first recruit wishes that he was back in his barracks with all the pizza beer and women he could handle.
the second recruit wishes that he was back in his barracks with his buddy and that there is a 100ft tall impenetrable wall to keep out the drill sargent. and poof! they were gone.

the Drill Sargent thinks for a moment and asks the genie, so this wall. it completely circles the barracks and nothing can get in or out at all?

Yes the genie answers.

GREAT! exclaims the Drill Sargent, and with an evil smile and chuckle, he says.....


w


a


i


t


f


o


r

i


t....

"Fill it with water"


How does the water get in?
 
2013-02-05 03:55:56 AM
"Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles," the project's website states.
That would be life in a community where private ownership of real estate is forbidden, dissenting political views are banned and military service in support of the ruling regime is compulsory, would it? 1970's Bulgaria called. They want their society back.
 
2013-02-05 03:58:36 AM
Yup their will be no pedophilia, child brides, or human rights abuses coming out of this place over the next 10 years. Looking forward to when the government tries to enforce the law and these nut bags get called upon to defend their leader to the death. The conservative melt down will be awesome. Half claiming the government has no right to arrest them, and that the pedophilia is just an excuses to take down a bastion of conservatism. The rest will be crying them selves to sleep because they know how bad the whole affair makes the conservative movement look.
 
2013-02-05 04:28:26 AM

Rabbitgod: Yup their will be no pedophilia, child brides, or human rights abuses coming out of this place over the next 10 years. Looking forward to when the government tries to enforce the law and these nut bags get called upon to defend their leader to the death. The conservative melt down will be awesome. Half claiming the government has no right to arrest them, and that the pedophilia is just an excuses to take down a bastion of conservatism. The rest will be crying them selves to sleep because they know how bad the whole affair makes the conservative movement look.


Used to be you'd just start up a religion if you wanted to molest kids.

//That was a Hutterite joke, not a Catholic joke.
///But Catholics do like to molest kids too.
 
2013-02-05 04:34:26 AM
Pfffft, amateurs. If they really want to impress me, then start making a fortified city that can turn into a gigantic robot. Something like

upload.wikimedia.org

or

tfwiki.net
 
2013-02-05 04:36:17 AM

JRoo: If the world gets bad enough that the survivalists have to start surviving, then nobody is going to last past their reserves of stocks.

We either learn to survive in space now or we accept the inevitable fate of every planet-bound form of life. A natural extinction due to geologic or solar change.


Most of the survivalists are not prepared to survive. They're prepared to live through the apocalypse, whatever it is they're anxiously anticipating (so far, on "Doomsday Preppers" I've seen everything from asteroid strike to solar flare overloading the electrical grid to killer mutant zombie flu). They're ready for the social collapse and riots in the streets and demise of Walmart.

What they're NOT ready for, AFAIK, is the endless decades after that, when their canned food runs out and they have no more 5.56 ammo and the mold starts to infest their nifty little bunkers and the closest neighbors only know them as the freaks 50 miles up the road who want to kill everyone. In other words, they're not ready to rebuild society AFTER the apocalypse. And boy, are they in for a shock after the first bad winter.
 
2013-02-05 04:59:15 AM
Wait, fail?  Because they're willing to bend on their dislike of government and get proper permits out of respect for the nation and their neighbors?  Because they have a hobby that's kinda silly, like basically every other hobby ever?
 
2013-02-05 05:23:57 AM

FTA- "Imagine living in a neighborhood where you know every single neighbor on your street, in your neighborhood, and in the entire town"

FTWS- "Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles,"

So, it will be the world's smallest small town cut off from the rest of the world where everyone knows all your business and populated with nothing but paranoid ultra religious whack job "alpha" males and their brainwashed baby factory wives. What could possibly go wrong?



They better keep them pregnant and brainwashed too 'cause once them wimmen-folk get to gossipin' the whole place is doomed.


Here's some (not so) funny possible scenarios...

A rumor will start about one of the families having marxist, socialist, liberal, or establishment Republican tendencies because the wife refused to submit to her husband and give have that 16th. baby God demands of all women. They will be pariahs until they are forced to leave.

The father of a 12 year old girl will disagree with the perv (there's always at least one in these groups) that thinks one of his "freedoms" is to fark said daughter. The cops will be called and shiat will get ugly.

Brutally harsh winter where the colony is more cut off than usual and nobody goes to check on them and Donner party II happens.

Someone catches "the ghey" and is stoned in accordance with the law of the bible.

Perhaps the most terrifying scenario of all. Society does collapse but the colony is wildly successful. The entire earth is re-populated with hard core religious nut bags.


Maybe they will be driven further and further into the wilderness and the last hard core holdouts will turn out like...

The family found living in the Siberian wilderness for 40 years


The best case scenario for everyone is if the scam artist just makes off with the cash.
 
2013-02-05 05:24:43 AM
Kerodin, public records show, was convicted in 2004 of federal extortion, attempted extortion and possession of an illegal firearm charges. The accusations were filed in Virginia after Kerodin, purporting to be a counter-terrorism expert, attempted to coerce shopping mall owners in the Washington, D.C., area to hire him to develop better security. He served 30 months in federal prison and now can't legally possess firearms as a felon.

I want to know more about his attempt to coerce shopping malls. I'd also like to understand how someone that is legally not allowed to posses firearms is allowed to manufacture them?
 
2013-02-05 05:58:42 AM
middle finger?  so i see he's a pan sexual that wants to have sex with all of us now?  no thanks.
 
2013-02-05 06:11:42 AM

Rabbitgod: Yup their will be no pedophilia, child brides, or human rights abuses coming out of this place over the next 10 years. Looking forward to when the government tries to enforce the law and these nut bags get called upon to defend their leader to the death. The conservative melt down will be awesome. Half claiming the government has no right to arrest them, and that the pedophilia is just an excuses to take down a bastion of conservatism. The rest will be crying them selves to sleep because they know how bad the whole affair makes the conservative movement look.


What will be interesting is if they take up arms to defend their "freedoms" to commit these crimes when law enforcement comes to hold them responsible.  Will someone from the "derp" crowd go "Timmothy McVeigh" again?  They never seem to realize that the "tragedies" these groups faced is the direct result of their choice to choose violence over surrendering, bailing out, and hiring a lawyer like for example O.J. Simpson did.

I look at those who have chosen to take up arms to fight he government and those who used the courts and the "system".  Those who choose the courts and the "system" seem to fare a lot better and at times even win.  Those who take up arms, not so much.  They neither fare well or win, and those who live still wind up in court dealing with the system.
 
2013-02-05 06:19:33 AM
Hai guyz!  What's happening in this thread?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-05 06:35:13 AM
From the official Citadel website:

DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty - the Rifle - are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.

This is a group who wants to guarentee their "freedom" by building a centrally planned, armed, walled community which will only allow people who think exactly alike move there. It also said there would be no "city hall" to enforce any "ordinances". Not only do I question their definition of "freedom" since that sounds like the furthest thing from it; I really do not think a walled community of armed "survivalists" with no "city hall" to enforce/create "ordinances" or settle disputes that arise over lack of "ordinances" will end well.
 
mhd
2013-02-05 06:47:14 AM
What they want:
i.imgur.com

What they call it:
i.imgur.com

What they'll get:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-05 06:58:47 AM
It is nice when folks like this decide to self identify.
 
GBB
2013-02-05 06:59:33 AM
Nothing says "personal freedom, free from government rule" than a walled off compound run by a select, non-elected few with totalitarian control.
 
2013-02-05 07:05:42 AM

mhd: What they want:
[i.imgur.com image 636x252]

What they call it:
[i.imgur.com image 500x281]

What they'll get:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Of course, they aren't even trying to protect themselves from nuclear attack.  What's the point if you're not even going to dig in a separate underground bunker?
 
2013-02-05 07:30:59 AM
Subby might be surprised to learn that you can legally build your own gun.
 
2013-02-05 07:31:51 AM

Pincy: Oh great, more nut jobs with guns.  Just what this country needs.


Having them all together is walled compounds actually sounds like what the country needs. It's just self-commitment to an insane asylum  and I'd rather these nuts were all behind walls. I wonder what they'll do when they find out crimes still get committed, even in walled compounds with no blah people.
 
2013-02-05 07:35:34 AM

doglover: . We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples


Use them as tourist attractions...
 
2013-02-05 07:55:38 AM
It seems rather bizarre that a group that identifies its members as "patriots" wants to build a fortress to isolate themselves from their countrymen.  But, whatever.
 
2013-02-05 08:01:10 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Pfffft, amateurs. If they really want to impress me, then start making a fortified city that can turn into a gigantic robot. Something like

[upload.wikimedia.org image 329x620]

or

[tfwiki.net image 400x600]


I like how Starscream is just lounging in the stomach.
 
2013-02-05 08:03:32 AM

m00: theknuckler_33: m00: theknuckler_33: They aren't doing it to 'get back to nature' or just be survivalists or just be self-sufficient community. They are doing it because they think society is on the verge of collapse.

So you believe in global warming right?

Is your beef with them that they are planning for any possibly catastrophe and not just the one(s) you have been indoctrinated with?

So... agreeing that climate change is a real thing and society being on the brink of collapse are the same thing?

If climate change is a real thing and projections are right, at some point all modern unsustainable societies will collapse.

See, this is why liberals aren't serious about their beliefs. If they were, the response would be:

"That's a great idea! We all should be prepared for society collapsing! See conservative gun nut preppers, this is why we need to invest in alternate energy. When the collapse comes 10-20 years from now and there's no more oil or coal or anything else, we want you to be able to plug in your electric Ford F150 into an outlet powered by the geothermal generator in the basement of your super energy-efficient house also covered in solar panels, which you were able to buy at Walmart because Obama invested in the technologies for this now."

Same logic argument for sustainable agriculture.


Liberals aren't serious about their beliefs because they don't respond to them in the way you think they should? Typical conservative view of things. While I can't speak for other liberals, I have no apocalyptic fantasy about climate change causing a collapse of society in 10-20 (or even 100) years. We do need to invest in alternate energy because the goal isn't to PREPARE for a collapse of society, it is to PREVENT the collapse of society and that will happen by changing the way our entire society generates and uses power, not by creating a miniscule community behind walls where people play patriot games.
 
2013-02-05 08:04:49 AM

Bucky Katt: One UGM-133 Trident II could take out such an easy target


Let's save those for Russia or China. They're expensive. If you're giving 0 farks towards lives lost anyway, a pass or two by a bomber with conventional munitions would be much cheaper and just as effective.
 
2013-02-05 08:05:50 AM

MythDragon: Subby might be surprised to learn that you can legally build your own gun.

Yes, but you can't sell it.
In theory, if they got enough people involved, they could make unregistered possession legal inside the county/state. But you'd still need permission to export (and no guarantees the ATF wouldn't hold a town sized bonfire on principle).

Selling guns for money is a good business to put a down payment on utopia, assuming they can produce the right kinds of weapons in a timely fashion.

/At present anything Black, plastic, pistol grippy or otherwise dangerous looking.
/Would be nice to see someone making Tavores, PDR's, or anything from the type-97 family.
/sounds like its just more AR's tho...
 
2013-02-05 08:32:50 AM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.


They are manufacturing arms as a business, ie., in order to make money in order to finance their community that they want to build.  In order to do that legally, you need to get government approval.

If you want to make guns for yourself, with no economic motive, you don't need ATF permission. You can make as many as you want, and you don't have to tell the ATF or anyone else about it.   As long as you don't sell it, and it doesn't violate other laws (like rifle with a barrel less than 16" long, for example), you're good to go.

If you do want to sell or transfer a gun you've made, I believe the only requirement is that if you wish to sell it you have to mark it with a serial number, your name, and the caliber.
 
2013-02-05 08:36:37 AM

dittybopper: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

They are manufacturing arms as a business, ie., in order to make money in order to finance their community that they want to build.  In order to do that legally, you need to get government approval.

If you want to make guns for yourself, with no economic motive, you don't need ATF permission. You can make as many as you want, and you don't have to tell the ATF or anyone else about it.   As long as you don't sell it, and it doesn't violate other laws (like rifle with a barrel less than 16" long, for example), you're good to go.

If you do want to sell or transfer a gun you've made, I believe the only requirement is that if you wish to sell it you have to mark it with a serial number, your name, and the caliber.


Meh. It's all a fap-dream anyway. When Mr. Super-Patriot ships off to Costa Rica with all the money, they won't be making anything but angry noises.
 
2013-02-05 08:38:45 AM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I was gonna say that preppers scare me more than militias did.  It's like Militia's with "legitimacy" and a popular TV show.  We're gonna have another WACO before 2016 rolls around because these assholes are playing with fire.  I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to stockpile guns, make their own ordnance, build a nuke, whatever.  This is actually kind of a neat move by the ATF.  But to think this isn't a destructive, dangerous attitude/belief system for people to cling to is foolishness.
 
2013-02-05 08:52:58 AM
theknuckler_33:
Liberals aren't serious about their beliefs because they don't respond to them in the way you think they should? Typical conservative view of things. While I can't speak for other liberals, I have no apocalyptic fantasy about climate change causing a collapse of society in 10-20 (or even 100) years. We do need to invest in alternate energy because the goal isn't to PREPARE for a collapse of society, it is to PREVENT the collapse of society and that will happen by changing the way our entire society generates and uses power, not by creating a miniscule community behind walls where people play patriot games.

That's the problem with the hardcore derp conservatives, everything for them has to be in terms of absolutes because they have no concept of nuance.  If you tell them we are causing the climate to change, and it will eventually reach a point where it is no longer sustainable, they will ask you for an exact date.  When you can't provide it because there is no basis for making such a claim due to the huge numbers of variables in play, they'll just laugh and claim that proves that they were right.  It's arguing with ignorance; you just can't do it.
 
2013-02-05 08:54:23 AM
If there ever is a global apocalypse, and the only ones who survive are the Doomsday Preppers, we do not
deserve to continue as a species.
 
2013-02-05 08:59:35 AM

BeesNuts: kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.

I was gonna say that preppers scare me more than militias did.  It's like Militia's with "legitimacy" and a popular TV show.  We're gonna have another WACO before 2016 rolls around because these assholes are playing with fire.  I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to stockpile guns, make their own ordnance, build a nuke, whatever.  This is actually kind of a neat move by the ATF.  But to think this isn't a destructive, dangerous attitude/belief system for people to cling to is foolishness.


the ATF issues dozens of these licenses every year to hobbyists and small gun shops. IMO this is %99.5 pure marketing mixed with a dash of inbred Holstein Derp. It might actually be pretty genius. See above where we mock the "gun factory" which is obviously some dude's suburban garage:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7574336/82323463#c82323463
 
2013-02-05 09:01:33 AM
This is good news for anti-preppers (aka normal, nonderanged people).  Gun manufacturing is a very expensive business with marginal profits. They will go broke even faster than now they would with only their derptastic real estate scheme.
 
2013-02-05 09:09:09 AM

willfullyobscure: the ATF issues dozens of these licenses every year to hobbyists and small gun shops.


Under the law, "hobbyists" don't need a license to build guns.
 
2013-02-05 09:11:36 AM
Neat, I've been sponsored. I should drink and Fark more often.
 
2013-02-05 09:15:10 AM

MagicMissile: Its a free country. Get over it.


I know, right? The government gave them a permit to make their own firearms, so all the "patriots" who say they need arsenals to save them from the evil gubmint are delusional paranoiacs.

Which should mean they shouldn't be allowed to own firearms, since the NRA says they support keeping guns away from the mentally ill.
 
2013-02-05 09:19:47 AM
www.sadgeezer.com

/doesn't like the Idaho Convention either.
 
2013-02-05 09:33:28 AM

hinten: Kerodin, public records show, was convicted in 2004 of federal extortion, attempted extortion and possession of an illegal firearm charges. The accusations were filed in Virginia after Kerodin, purporting to be a counter-terrorism expert, attempted to coerce shopping mall owners in the Washington, D.C., area to hire him to develop better security. He served 30 months in federal prison and now can't legally possess firearms as a felon.

I want to know more about his attempt to coerce shopping malls.


Basically, he owned a "Security Agency" who went around soliciting malls and other public areas.  When said areas refused his company's "services" he claimed that they would end up on a website that lists places that are unsafe for shopping.  If I recall correctly he or his wife's name was on the website registration.  Basically a scam artist and not a very good one.
 
2013-02-05 09:33:29 AM
That pink one might be UGLY, but it's a Kimber and should kick ass
 
2013-02-05 09:36:06 AM
If these doomsday preppers were serious about building a walled town to survive an apocalypse, they'd do better moving their fortress to Nebraska or Kansas. At least there they could get water, grow food, and survive the winter. But building this thing on an Idaho mountaintop? You won't find food or water up there, and surviving the winter just got much, much more difficult.
 
2013-02-05 09:36:41 AM

TopoGigo: Sonofabiatch. I've been reading that as The O'reillor (as in Bill O'reilly) for years now. I'm sorry to say I discounted you as a troll account and didn't really paymuch attention to what you said. Maybe I'll have to change that.


Please do. I sometimes throw out trollbait but I tend to be a relatively earnest, if snarky, moderate libtard here.
 
2013-02-05 09:45:49 AM
RIP Great Walled In Prepper

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-05 09:48:53 AM
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

This sounds like a person that has the good business sense, people skills, and organizational skills to run any sort of business let alone actually develop a planned community.
 
2013-02-05 09:56:23 AM

Loucifer: RIP Great Walled In Prepper

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 342x192]


*NICE*.
 
2013-02-05 09:57:02 AM

manimal2878: "This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

This sounds like a person that has the good business sense, people skills, and organizational skills to run any sort of business let alone actually develop a planned community.


On the bright side, these sorts of people are driving down the minimum level of discourse in business casual settings.  Employees can now cuss more freely than ever!  Because... fark it... the bosses do anyway.
 
2013-02-05 09:58:18 AM

Has anyone pointed out yet:


There is nothing they can do inside that citadel that they can't already do outside the citadel.
 
2013-02-05 10:00:55 AM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


Well now we know who didn't read TFA, or TFA linked to in TFA. Right or wrong, government gun grabbing is not even close to the only thing they are worried about. I think they're silly, but you're painting with an extremely broad brush with this statement.
 
2013-02-05 10:05:46 AM
FTFA:

"According to the project's blog, The Citadel, if completed, will feature the following: the III Arms Factory, a curtain wall and towers, a main gate, a town green named after the Battle of Lexington leader John Parker, a town hall, a community armory, a firearms museum, a farmers' market, a medical center, a retirement facility, schools including a boarding school, a library, a tourist visitor center..."

Because NOTHING says "Tourist Destination" like guard towers, a large wall, and a city gate. If this isn't an historic preservation project, you aren't going to find many people who are happy with having to check in and out every time they run to the next town, or could wake up in the morning to find themselves locked in because farmer john's sheep meandered too close to the wall again. These guys can do what they want, they actually sound more level headed than most(Especially by following the proper licensing procedures), but they aren't going to become a tourist spot, no matter how hard they try. What good does "knowing all of your neighbors" do for someone from Bumfark, Maine?
 
2013-02-05 10:07:58 AM

dittybopper: willfullyobscure: the ATF issues dozens of these licenses every year to hobbyists and small gun shops.

Under the law, "hobbyists" don't need a license to build guns.


need one for the go bang part, broseph. You can't get the receiver shipped to you unless you have one. antiques and curios are excepted and also replica firearms, IIRC.

Let me just say that I have 1000x the respect for a dude that builds a kit muzzle loader or rehabs a nugget for personal use than I do for these assholes and their tacticrap guns no matter what.
 
2013-02-05 10:15:40 AM

KarmicDisaster: That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?


Pylons?

lotl.popapostle.com
 
2013-02-05 10:22:07 AM

mbillips: This is good news for anti-preppers (aka normal, nonderanged people).  Gun manufacturing is a very expensive business with marginal profits. They will go broke even faster than now they would with only their derptastic real estate scheme.


Nah.  They're going to sell their guns at hyper-marked up prices to fellow derpers who will gladly pay so they can say they are doing their patriotic duty.
 
2013-02-05 10:22:30 AM

willfullyobscure: dittybopper: willfullyobscure: the ATF issues dozens of these licenses every year to hobbyists and small gun shops.

Under the law, "hobbyists" don't need a license to build guns.

need one for the go bang part, broseph. You can't get the receiver shipped to you unless you have one. antiques and curios are excepted and also replica firearms, IIRC.

Let me just say that I have 1000x the respect for a dude that builds a kit muzzle loader or rehabs a nugget for personal use than I do for these assholes and their tacticrap guns no matter what.


You can build the receiver.  In fact, there are people who do that from scratch, mainly for things like semi-autos where the receiver is a simple tube, and for things like falling block single shots.  Some people have made the lower receiver for AR-type rifles from scratch, in some cases from plastic material (the lower receiver on an AR doesn't need to be that strong).   There is even one guy who built an AK receiver from an old shovel blade. AK receivers, being mostly just simple sheet metal bent to shape with the appropriate cut-outs are actually quite amenable to being manufactured by hobbyists.


You can also buy "80% castings" of 1911 frames, which don't require a license or NICS checks to purchase, and finish it off yourself.  I know someone who has done just that.
 
2013-02-05 10:23:19 AM

StrangeQ: mbillips: This is good news for anti-preppers (aka normal, nonderanged people).  Gun manufacturing is a very expensive business with marginal profits. They will go broke even faster than now they would with only their derptastic real estate scheme.

Nah.  They're going to sell their guns at hyper-marked up prices to fellow derpers who will gladly pay so they can say they are doing their patriotic duty.


Ain't America great?
 
2013-02-05 10:26:07 AM

dittybopper: StrangeQ: mbillips: This is good news for anti-preppers (aka normal, nonderanged people).  Gun manufacturing is a very expensive business with marginal profits. They will go broke even faster than now they would with only their derptastic real estate scheme.

Nah.  They're going to sell their guns at hyper-marked up prices to fellow derpers who will gladly pay so they can say they are doing their patriotic duty.

Ain't America great?


On the upside, if the guns are as ugly as that 1911, sane gun owners will know who they don't want to talk to at the shooting range.  It's win-win really.
 
2013-02-05 10:30:38 AM

dittybopper: willfullyobscure: dittybopper: willfullyobscure: the ATF issues dozens of these licenses every year to hobbyists and small gun shops.

Under the law, "hobbyists" don't need a license to build guns.

need one for the go bang part, broseph. You can't get the receiver shipped to you unless you have one. antiques and curios are excepted and also replica firearms, IIRC.

Let me just say that I have 1000x the respect for a dude that builds a kit muzzle loader or rehabs a nugget for personal use than I do for these assholes and their tacticrap guns no matter what.

You can build the receiver.  In fact, there are people who do that from scratch, mainly for things like semi-autos where the receiver is a simple tube, and for things like falling block single shots.  Some people have made the lower receiver for AR-type rifles from scratch, in some cases from plastic material (the lower receiver on an AR doesn't need to be that strong).   There is even one guy who built an AK receiver from an old shovel blade. AK receivers, being mostly just simple sheet metal bent to shape with the appropriate cut-outs are actually quite amenable to being manufactured by hobbyists.


You can also buy "80% castings" of 1911 frames, which don't require a license or NICS checks to purchase, and finish it off yourself.  I know someone who has done just that.


OK, I accept the correction. But these people are no more capable of making a functional lower receiver than a chimpanzee is capable of building a log cabin. Their entire business model appears to be "spraypainted shiatty AR parts" and they should be mocked unmercifully on every front.
 
2013-02-05 10:31:30 AM
I'm still betting this "visionary" ends up taking off to South America with a lot of peoples' money. He probably already has the beach house picked out.
 
2013-02-05 10:32:26 AM
This is hilarious.  I feel a little bad for any kids who grow up somewhere like this, though.
 
2013-02-05 10:34:59 AM

willfullyobscure: OK, I accept the correction. But these people are no more capable of making a functional lower receiver than a chimpanzee is capable of building a log cabin. Their entire business model appears to be "spraypainted shiatty AR parts" and they should be mocked unmercifully on every front.


Point taken.  But hey, in a country so great that Arlo Guthrie can make a livin' singing a song that dumb for that long, I say good for them.  Let them sink or swim on their own merits.
 
2013-02-05 10:36:35 AM

m00: I don't see why everyone is complaining. I mean, at worst they've developed a city on principles of energy and food independence. I guarantee you they'll be using renewable energy resources and sustainable agriculture. People on the left should love this... a group of people not buying food from long supply chains, not polluting the environment, not buying bananas out-of-season from some tropical country with a monoculture, not running the AC all day in large mansions. They're out in the woods minimizing their carbon footprint. Yet you make fun of them for all of these lifestyle choices, because why? They happen to vote for candidates with an R next to their name instead of a D?


Doesn't matter who they vote for. This isn't a lifestyle choice. It's a serious con that's going to fleece every dime from anyone who buys into it. We're making fun of them because the entire idea is as ludicrous as the hippie communes were in the 1960s, only more weaponized.

You're absolutely right, they won't be buying food from long supply chains, or bananas or electricity. They won't be buying anything from anyone because they're printing their own currency, which no one outside of their little fortress will accept. And anyone that lives there and converts their assets into this valueless currency (buy buying or leasing land and guns from the chieftains) will never be able to leave because they're stuck in the middle of Idaho without enough real money to pay for a bus ticket out. And when the going starts to get tough (or the real money runs out), the scammers that are running this will have already taken their stockpile of loot and deserted their "flock" before the shooting starts.
 
2013-02-05 10:36:36 AM

you have pee hands: This is hilarious.  I feel a little bad for any kids who grow up somewhere like this, though.


img144.imageshack.us

Meh.  It will probably be pretty cool, if my experience has anything to do with it.
 
2013-02-05 10:43:27 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: I'm still betting this "visionary" ends up taking off to South America with a lot of peoples' money. He probably already has the beach house picked out.


What money? They aren't selling land, everything's leased. Sure, there will be deposits, but if he was looking to swindle, he'd be selling the land, and have far less common areas. I still don't understand the whole "tourist center", but I poked around on their website, and it sounds to me like they have an actual plan in place, and the startup money is coming from somewhere other than the residents' pockets, since they already have their land.

Their "Patriot Agreement" is heavy on the gun safety, the gun training and the gun proficiency, but I don't think the word 'God' is in there anywhere. Definitely no specific references to religion.

Hell, I kinda like the prices. A 2,000 sq. ft house on 1/2 and acre is something like $1200/month.
 
2013-02-05 10:45:34 AM

heavymetal: From the official Citadel website:

DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty - the Rifle - are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.

This is a group who wants to guarentee their "freedom" by building a centrally planned, armed, walled community which will only allow people who think exactly alike move there. It also said there would be no "city hall" to enforce any "ordinances". Not only do I question their definition of "freedom" since that sounds like the furthest thing from it; I really do not think a walled community of armed "survivalists" with no "city hall" to enforce/create "ordinances" or settle disputes that arise over lack of "ordinances" will end well.


Sure it will.  Fly camera drones over it 24/7 and sell the gun fight video on PPV.  Then profit.
 
2013-02-05 10:49:32 AM

BSABSVR: Frank N Stein: Zeno-25: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

That has got to be the trashiest, ugliest 1911 I have ever seen.

/gun owner
//won't be buying any Citadel firearms anytime soon

[cdn.trendhunterstatic.com image 230x150]

That looks like it transforms into Megatron


For the record, Megatron transformed into a Walther p38.

i68.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-05 10:50:16 AM

dittybopper: willfullyobscure: OK, I accept the correction. But these people are no more capable of making a functional lower receiver than a chimpanzee is capable of building a log cabin. Their entire business model appears to be "spraypainted shiatty AR parts" and they should be mocked unmercifully on every front.

Point taken.  But hey, in a country so great that Arlo Guthrie can make a livin' singing a song that dumb for that long, I say good for them.  Let them sink or swim on their own merits.



After reading through everything i can find, I can sincerely say I would not be at all surprised if Kevin McClung was involved in this somehow, and that is my absolute final statement on the 'merits' of this entire dog and pony show.
 
2013-02-05 10:50:42 AM

Mikey1969: What money? They aren't selling land, everything's leased. Sure, there will be deposits, but if he was looking to swindle, he'd be selling the land, and have far less common areas. I still don't understand the whole "tourist center", but I poked around on their website, and it sounds to me like they have an actual plan in place, and the startup money is coming from somewhere other than the residents' pockets, since they already have their land.

Their "Patriot Agreement" is heavy on the gun safety, the gun training and the gun proficiency, but I don't think the word 'God' is in there anywhere. Definitely no specific references to religion.

Hell, I kinda like the prices. A 2,000 sq. ft house on 1/2 and acre is something like $1200/month.


You sound like just the kind of person they're looking for.

They claim they bought 20 or 30 "mountain top" acres. You need to send them a check quickly, before all the places are claimed.
 
2013-02-05 10:56:46 AM
This reminds me of an episode of Doomsday Preppers I saw about this guy:\

cdn.pjmedia.com

He's building a castle in the forest to protect his family for the end of civilization. That's the Castle behind him. The building with openings for large picture windows. Because nothing says "Castle" like enormous openings in the exterior wall.
 
2013-02-05 10:57:35 AM
Build concentration camp for yourself?

farm7.staticflickr.com

/hot like oven
 
2013-02-05 10:57:45 AM
That place is going to be real fun to watch the first time someone objects to his neighbor dumping trash in the front yard, or using the backyard as a toilet, or keeping a few pigs in a pen behind the house. Hey, no ordinances means everyone can do what they want with their own property, right?
 
2013-02-05 10:57:54 AM

MacWizard: hey won't be buying anything from anyone because they're printing their own currency


I don't see this anywhere on their website. Not only that, I don't see a mint on their website. A bank, yes, but not a mint. I also saw no indication on their website that they don't like the dollar. Their main goal is to protect from a financial collapse, no mention of their own currency for doing this though...

What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?

The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.
 
2013-02-05 10:58:16 AM

Devolving_Spud: When I think of this whole Citadel thing, I suspect they are envisioning this

[store.nrm.org image 295x250]
But they're going to end up with something more like this

[www.madmaxmovies.com image 740x484]

...with all the Thunderdome-y goodness.   IMO.


I'd go as far as to say the latter is almost preferable to them. They may not admit it outloud, but I'm pretty sure they'd more than enjoy a Mad Max/Red Dawn type doomsday. Hell, the few "survivalists" I do know seem very keen on both movies.
 
2013-02-05 10:59:34 AM

dittybopper: Meh. It will probably be pretty cool, if my experience has anything to do with it.


You grew up on an armed compound with a bunch of fundamentalists?

I think any place like this is bound to have a pretty strong groupthink.  For any kids who don't fit in, there's not going to be anywhere to turn.
 
2013-02-05 11:01:36 AM

jaytkay: Mikey1969: What money? They aren't selling land, everything's leased. Sure, there will be deposits, but if he was looking to swindle, he'd be selling the land, and have far less common areas. I still don't understand the whole "tourist center", but I poked around on their website, and it sounds to me like they have an actual plan in place, and the startup money is coming from somewhere other than the residents' pockets, since they already have their land.

Their "Patriot Agreement" is heavy on the gun safety, the gun training and the gun proficiency, but I don't think the word 'God' is in there anywhere. Definitely no specific references to religion.

Hell, I kinda like the prices. A 2,000 sq. ft house on 1/2 and acre is something like $1200/month.

You sound like just the kind of person they're looking for.

They claim they bought 20 or 30 "mountain top" acres. You need to send them a check quickly, before all the places are claimed.


So in other words, you've got nothin'...


Look, I've met actual live-inbunker survivalists. One guy I met in Az had a house with 3" walls filled with volcanic cinders to stop bullets. My friend took me over to show me some stuff this guy's land, and had to tell me to follow very close to his own path, lest I step on a booby trap. I know crazy survivalists. These guys aren't that crazy.

I also know when people pile on with no clue what they're talking about. In other words, I know how to log on to Fark.
 
2013-02-05 11:01:37 AM

Mikey1969: MacWizard: hey won't be buying anything from anyone because they're printing their own currency

I don't see this anywhere on their website. Not only that, I don't see a mint on their website. A bank, yes, but not a mint. I also saw no indication on their website that they don't like the dollar. Their main goal is to protect from a financial collapse, no mention of their own currency for doing this though...

What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?

The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.


The Citadel wouldn't be able to defend itself against 3 guys with a box of dynamite. They stopped building castles for a reason, and that reason was explosives.

These guys are utter and complete morons if they think their wall will protect them form even the most casual of attackers in the scenario they are discussing.
 
2013-02-05 11:01:52 AM

Mikey1969: The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack.


... what about direct .edu attacks?

Seems they would have more to worry about from their members accidentally catching an education.
 
2013-02-05 11:02:20 AM

Mikey1969: What money? They aren't selling land, everything's leased.

Hell, I kinda like the prices. A 2,000 sq. ft house on 1/2 and acre is something like $1200/month.


heavymetal: From the official Citadel website:

DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families
...

What money? Let's take a below-halfway point and estimate based on 5000 patriotic American families, paying $1200 a month... adds up to a mere $6 million a month. Times 12 months... $72 million a year.
 
2013-02-05 11:14:18 AM

Mikey1969: I work for the Citadel. So I am totally getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-05 11:15:12 AM

theorellior: sheep snorter: Good move ATF. Lets make it look like America committed self defense against the rats.

Every time I see that diagram I wonder how many acres of farmland they have set aside for cultivation, whether they're going to use good soil conservation, mulch-and-till practices, and yearly crop rotation schedules so that they don't rely on industrially-produced fertilizer and actually could survive the collapse of society. Or whether all that shiat's just enviro-nazi talk and they're just gonna get a tractor-trailer from WalMart every month to keep their fridges full of hot dogs and col' beer.


Survival seed bought from Glen Beck is 100% viable, and will instantly grow on any soil. You can feed your entire family from just a quarter of an acre!

/gullible people are Glen's bread and butter
//I know someone who actually planted some of those seeds - they're crap
 
2013-02-05 11:18:25 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Mikey1969: MacWizard: hey won't be buying anything from anyone because they're printing their own currency

I don't see this anywhere on their website. Not only that, I don't see a mint on their website. A bank, yes, but not a mint. I also saw no indication on their website that they don't like the dollar. Their main goal is to protect from a financial collapse, no mention of their own currency for doing this though...


"Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold."
http://iiicitadel.com/revenue.html

Okay, maybe not initially printing their own currency, but minting their own coins. Step 1.
 
2013-02-05 11:18:52 AM

you have pee hands: dittybopper: Meh. It will probably be pretty cool, if my experience has anything to do with it.

You grew up on an armed compound with a bunch of fundamentalists?


Armed compound?  Sure, if you consider a house that pretty much floated on guns, knives, bows, crossbows, blowguns, atlatls, swords, and pretty much whatever kind or (legal) weapon my father decided to try making.

Fundamentalist?  Not so much, but then again, these people don't seem to be religulous either.
 
2013-02-05 11:18:56 AM
I'm assuming the Citadel has its own bank and financial security system in place.
Because if not, the grifters/leaders/politburo of this little communal experiment are going to have control over a buttload of cash in these external accounts.
Pretty tempting to abscond.
 
2013-02-05 11:18:58 AM

MacWizard: What money? Let's take a below-halfway point and estimate based on 5000 patriotic American families, paying $1200 a month... adds up to a mere $6 million a month. Times 12 months... $72 million a year.


5000 families? That changes the math quite a bit, I though it was 5000 people. Average family size of 2.5 kids and you've got 22,500. They think they're gonna support 22,000 people on 30 acres of mountaintop land in Idaho? LOLLERSKATES.

However, that ups the take from the "application fee" to over a million cool ones. Nice.
 
2013-02-05 11:20:52 AM

you have pee hands: This is hilarious.  I feel a little bad for any kids who grow up somewhere like this, though.

No kidding. A place established to be politically purified is probably not going to be kind to kids who show curiosity about the world and other points of view.
 
2013-02-05 11:22:06 AM

dittybopper: Armed compound? Sure, if you consider a house that pretty much floated on guns, knives, bows, crossbows, blowguns, atlatls, swords, and pretty much whatever kind or (legal) weapon my father decided to try making.

Fundamentalist? Not so much, but then again, these people don't seem to be religulous either.


Hobbyist =! bunch of crazy dudes in Idaho.

You don't have to be a Christian to be a fundamentalist.
 
2013-02-05 11:26:01 AM

theorellior: MacWizard: What money? Let's take a below-halfway point and estimate based on 5000 patriotic American families, paying $1200 a month... adds up to a mere $6 million a month. Times 12 months... $72 million a year.

5000 families? That changes the math quite a bit, I though it was 5000 people. Average family size of 2.5 kids and you've got 22,500. They think they're gonna support 22,000 people on 30 acres of mountaintop land in Idaho? LOLLERSKATES.

However, that ups the take from the "application fee" to over a million cool ones. Nice.


Well, 5000 families at half an acre each would be 2,500 acres.

Seems to me, though, that like the walled cities of yore, you don't need to have everyone living contained in the "citadel" all the time, it's more a refuge you can run to when things go south.

A population of 22,000 in 30 acres is a population density of 733 people per acre, or nearly 500,000 per square mile.  Yikes!  that's like 28 times more dense than Hong Kong!
 
2013-02-05 11:26:50 AM

theorellior: dittybopper: Armed compound? Sure, if you consider a house that pretty much floated on guns, knives, bows, crossbows, blowguns, atlatls, swords, and pretty much whatever kind or (legal) weapon my father decided to try making.

Fundamentalist? Not so much, but then again, these people don't seem to be religulous either.

Hobbyist =! bunch of crazy dudes in Idaho.

You don't have to be a Christian to be a fundamentalist.


I said "religulous", not "Christian".
 
2013-02-05 11:27:54 AM

MacWizard: What money? Let's take a below-halfway point and estimate based on 5000 patriotic American families, paying $1200 a month... adds up to a mere $6 million a month. Times 12 months... $72 million a year.


Yeah, but at that point, there are houses to live in, so I'm not sure what your point was. There is a $208 registration fee, but that includes other members of your family. So your math is a little off... $208 per 5,000 families, still a million bucks, but after the houses are in, and the infrastructure, they are still getting a place to live in return for their money, so it's not the trip to the bank you want it to be.
 
2013-02-05 11:29:26 AM

MacWizard: Philip Francis Queeg: Mikey1969: MacWizard: hey won't be buying anything from anyone because they're printing their own currency

I don't see this anywhere on their website. Not only that, I don't see a mint on their website. A bank, yes, but not a mint. I also saw no indication on their website that they don't like the dollar. Their main goal is to protect from a financial collapse, no mention of their own currency for doing this though...

"Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold."
http://iiicitadel.com/revenue.html

Okay, maybe not initially printing their own currency, but minting their own coins. Step 1.


That's a more acceptable answer than "OMG!! These guys are only accepting their opwn money! Panic!!" I have no problem with that kind of skeptical eye.
 
2013-02-05 11:30:31 AM
$1500 for an unproven1911 knockoff?

Who the fark are they kidding?
 
2013-02-05 11:34:40 AM

TravelingFreakshow: $1500 for an unproven1911 knockoff?

Who the fark are they kidding?


But it's got a picture of a Minute Man and "Let it begin here" on it! Every Real American Patriot will be clamoring to own at least one.

But seriously, doesn't the "Let it begin here" come off as just a bit eager?
 
2013-02-05 11:36:53 AM

you have pee hands: dittybopper: Meh. It will probably be pretty cool, if my experience has anything to do with it.

You grew up on an armed compound with a bunch of fundamentalists?

I think any place like this is bound to have a pretty strong groupthink.  For any kids who don't fit in, there's not going to be anywhere to turn.


They're really big on the "individual liberty" thing. If this works(Which I don't see it doing), then that means beating up a kid because he is gay is a violation of his individual liberties. Real Libertarian types(Which might be the closest definition for what they are proposing) tend to frown on things like discrimination and abuse. They think everyone can be happy if they respect everybody. I personally don't have enough faith in humanity, but these guys aren't religious types, the only thing they mention about religion is this:
What About Religion?

Rightful Liberty knows no religious barriers.

Space will be limited within the walls of the Citadel for building houses of worship. There will be plenty of space outside the walls.


Despite what people are claiming on here, I have no interest in moving there, but I think a lot of people are making false claims, and this whole "indoctrination" thing is one of them.
 
2013-02-05 11:38:26 AM

manimal2878: "This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn't even have to balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch who didn't get their way..... and you failed yet again."

This sounds like a person that has the good business sense, people skills, and organizational skills to run any sort of business let alone actually develop a planned community.


Well, his ability to complete some routine paperwork sure proved you wrong!

This is a  man with the intelligence, education, and organizational skills to successfully fill out some forms, mail them to the correct address, and wait three to six months for approval.  There is no possible way his planned community will not be a complete success.
 
2013-02-05 11:39:04 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: The Citadel wouldn't be able to defend itself against 3 guys with a box of dynamite. They stopped building castles for a reason, and that reason was explosives.


I don't know... There are two walls and a LOT of towers. You can do a lot with a guard tower and a good, well-equipped rifle. They have at least specifically said that they aren't trying to hold off the guv'mnt, but they could probably take on some local farmers just fine. Not that the guard towers are ever going to get dusted off...
 
2013-02-05 11:39:29 AM

Mikey1969: They're really big on the "individual liberty" thing. If this works(Which I don't see it doing), then that means beating up a kid because he is gay is a violation of his individual liberties. Real Libertarian types(Which might be the closest definition for what they are proposing) tend to frown on things like discrimination and abuse. They think everyone can be happy if they respect everybody.


Maybe, but I'll still put my money on <2 years to first coverup of an incestuous child molestation incident.
 
2013-02-05 11:41:13 AM

theknuckler_33: I was just checking out the Citadel site and their "Patriot Agreement" which just about every item starts off with "Every able-bodied Patriot".  I wonder if Patriots with cerebral palsy or quadriplegia can apply. I wonder where they'll get the therapy/care they'll need?


I'm wondering if an able-bodied Patriot can be female, or if able-bodied and female are mutually exclusive in this fantasyland.
 
2013-02-05 11:42:54 AM

theorellior: They think they're gonna support 22,000 people on 30 acres of mountaintop land in Idaho? LOLLERSKATES.


Not ultimately, no...

Layout of the Community

At the moment, the Citadel intends to purchase between 2,000 and 3,000 acres. Of that, 640-1,280 acres are to be walled-in (minimum one square mile). Plot sizes for the leases inside the walls will be no more than 1 acre for home sites, and larger lots will be available outside the walls.

Inside the walls will be more urban/city/town, and outside the walls will be more rural/farmland.


Are People Actually Moving to The Citadel?

We have already purchased 20 acres in Benewah County where we will build the first III Arms factory beginning next spring as well as a small Showcase for the Citadel, much like a Model Home in a new housing development. A few of our first Citadel Pioneers will move to the site probably next spring/summer, working at the factory and helping build the Showcase which will include model condos, model homes, a scaled version of the wall, et cetera. In fact, we are seriously considering the purchase of another 60 or 80 acres in this location so people can get a genuine "feel" for what the Citadel will be when finished.
 
2013-02-05 11:43:18 AM

Mikey1969: you have pee hands: dittybopper: Meh. It will probably be pretty cool, if my experience has anything to do with it.

You grew up on an armed compound with a bunch of fundamentalists?

I think any place like this is bound to have a pretty strong groupthink.  For any kids who don't fit in, there's not going to be anywhere to turn.

They're really big on the "individual liberty" thing. If this works(Which I don't see it doing), then that means beating up a kid because he is gay is a violation of his individual liberties. Real Libertarian types(Which might be the closest definition for what they are proposing) tend to frown on things like discrimination and abuse. They think everyone can be happy if they respect everybody. I personally don't have enough faith in humanity, but these guys aren't religious types, the only thing they mention about religion is this:
What About Religion?

Rightful Liberty knows no religious barriers.

Space will be limited within the walls of the Citadel for building houses of worship. There will be plenty of space outside the walls.

Despite what people are claiming on here, I have no interest in moving there, but I think a lot of people are making false claims, and this whole "indoctrination" thing is one of them.


Sure they believe in individual liberty, as long as you agree with them.

Marxists, Socialists, Liberals, and Establishment Republicans may find that living within our Citadel Community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.  (Bolded in the original)

So if your child develops any of those beliefs, the only liberty they will have is to leave the community.
 
2013-02-05 11:43:46 AM

Mikey1969: MacWizard: What money? Let's take a below-halfway point and estimate based on 5000 patriotic American families, paying $1200 a month... adds up to a mere $6 million a month. Times 12 months... $72 million a year.

Yeah, but at that point, there are houses to live in, so I'm not sure what your point was. There is a $208 registration fee, but that includes other members of your family. So your math is a little off... $208 per 5,000 families, still a million bucks, but after the houses are in, and the infrastructure, they are still getting a place to live in return for their money, so it's not the trip to the bank you want it to be.


$208 per family is just the application/registration fee. They're not getting a place to live for that. You're the one that said $1200 a month for the lease. If heavymetal quoted correctly (I did not go look it up, but I've seen the same quote more than once in this thread), The Citadel website says "3,500 to 7,000 patriotic American families."

As has been pointed out by others, it's going to be rather difficult to fit that many people and all their infrastructure on 2,000 to 3,000 acres.

There is certainly some bad math here, but it's not mine.
 
2013-02-05 11:43:59 AM
I like this plan.  Keep all the nuts together in one small geographical location.  Easier to trace their terrorist activities that way.
 
2013-02-05 11:45:34 AM

Mikey1969: you have pee hands: dittybopper: Meh. It will probably be pretty cool, if my experience has anything to do with it.

You grew up on an armed compound with a bunch of fundamentalists?

I think any place like this is bound to have a pretty strong groupthink.  For any kids who don't fit in, there's not going to be anywhere to turn.

They're really big on the "individual liberty" thing. If this works(Which I don't see it doing), then that means beating up a kid because he is gay is a violation of his individual liberties. Real Libertarian types(Which might be the closest definition for what they are proposing) tend to frown on things like discrimination and abuse. They think everyone can be happy if they respect everybody. I personally don't have enough faith in humanity, but these guys aren't religious types, the only thing they mention about religion is this:
What About Religion?

Rightful Liberty knows no religious barriers.

Space will be limited within the walls of the Citadel for building houses of worship. There will be plenty of space outside the walls.

Despite what people are claiming on here, I have no interest in moving there, but I think a lot of people are making false claims, and this whole "indoctrination" thing is one of them.


They only want people of one particular political observation, and they are demonizing everyone from "establishment republicans" to marxists, liberals and socialists (which they apparently consider pretty much the same thing). The only way they can try to keep their society politically pure is through indoctrination and suppresion of thoughts and ideas that don't fit in.
 
2013-02-05 11:45:58 AM

Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: The Citadel wouldn't be able to defend itself against 3 guys with a box of dynamite. They stopped building castles for a reason, and that reason was explosives.

I don't know... There are two walls and a LOT of towers. You can do a lot with a guard tower and a good, well-equipped rifle. They have at least specifically said that they aren't trying to hold off the guv'mnt, but they could probably take on some local farmers just fine. Not that the guard towers are ever going to get dusted off...


If the local farmers were all complete dolts who couldn't figure out how to breach the walls with some fuel oil and fertilizer.
 
2013-02-05 11:46:02 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Marxists, Socialists, Liberals, and Establishment Republicans may find that living within our Citadel Community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.


I wonder who owns the gun factory? It would be hilarious if it turned out that the proletariat control the means of production in their little utopia.
 
2013-02-05 11:46:12 AM
It's probably been mentioned before but I have to hand it to this company for suckering a bunch of rubes to work for them while paying the company to do so.
 
2013-02-05 11:46:34 AM

theorellior: You don't have to be a Christian to be a fundamentalist.


Or religious for that matter.  All you have to do is have and unyielding belief that how you interpret the holy text/ constitution is correct, that times were magically better at some fixed point in the past which we need to return to and that your ideological opponents are the spawn of Satan.
 
2013-02-05 11:50:45 AM

Fart_Machine: It's probably been mentioned before but I have to hand it to this company for suckering a bunch of rubes to work for them while paying the company to do so.


Why?  It's not precisely original...

www.thelabelframer.com
 
2013-02-05 11:51:44 AM

theorellior: Mikey1969: I work for the Citadel. So I am totally getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.

FTFY.


Cute... Did you cum all over your keyboard in your proud little moment?
 
2013-02-05 11:52:50 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: If the local farmers were all complete dolts who couldn't figure out how to breach the walls with some fuel oil and fertilizer.


Nobody is going to breach the walls. The walls keep the derp on the inside.
 
2013-02-05 11:53:15 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So if your child develops any of those beliefs, the only liberty they will have is to leave the community.


Nope, says "you may find", not 'You will not be welcome.'
 
2013-02-05 11:55:05 AM

Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: So if your child develops any of those beliefs, the only liberty they will have is to leave the community.

Nope, says "you may find", not 'You will not be welcome.'


So as was stated, it will be a haven of group think that will be extremely unpleasant for any child who doesn't conform to the group think.
 
2013-02-05 11:58:15 AM

MacWizard: $208 per family is just the application/registration fee. They're not getting a place to live for that. You're the one that said $1200 a month for the lease.


What I was trying to say is that someone is making the claim that they're just going to pocket all of this money. I was pointing out that you just pay the registration fee(And not the $1200 lease) until there is a place to live in. Not a very efficient scam.

Jesus, I'm not defending these people, just pointing out the parts people aren't bothering to read up on. Hell, I don't really care, I just get annoyed at the the INternet Professionals who make claims based on not even reading TFA, let alone attached ones, or the company's own site. I'm sure the proposed 3,000 acres isn't enough land, but that was in response to someone who though t they were going to plan for 5,000 families on 20 acres. As for this "scam" claim, I just don't see someone building the whole place, getting everyone's first month of rent(After building the whole place), and then leaving with that.
 
2013-02-05 12:01:32 PM
From the wording, I have doubts they're going to be manufacturing anything themselves.  I have the impression they're ordering parts from "real" gun makers and assembling/modifying them.

Also, I'm thinking of getting a new Mossberg shotgun.  Because Obama or something.
 
2013-02-05 12:03:17 PM

Mikey1969: I just don't see someone building the whole place, getting everyone's first month of rent(After building the whole place), and then leaving with that.


LOL.  Nobody is going to build anything.  So far, the entire sum of his assets are a few thousand dollars worth of inaccessible land and a piece of paper from the ATF.
 
2013-02-05 12:04:49 PM

Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: So if your child develops any of those beliefs, the only liberty they will have is to leave the community.

Nope, says "you may find", not 'You will not be welcome.'


Oh, come on. It says that having those beliefs "may find that living within our Citadel Community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles." If you're "incompatible" with any group, you are not welcome.
 
2013-02-05 12:09:44 PM

Mikey1969: Cute... Did you cum all over your keyboard in your proud little moment?


Awww, c'mon, dude, lighten up a little bit. I'm not entirely sure why you're expending the keyboard time white-knighting this particular group, but whatevs. Keep on keeping on.
 
2013-02-05 12:09:57 PM

MacWizard: Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: So if your child develops any of those beliefs, the only liberty they will have is to leave the community.

Nope, says "you may find", not 'You will not be welcome.'

Oh, come on. It says that having those beliefs "may find that living within our Citadel Community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles." If you're "incompatible" with any group, you are not welcome.


I'm not sure why people are responding to Mikey at this point.
 
2013-02-05 12:10:31 PM

Mikey1969: I'm sure the proposed 3,000 acres isn't enough land, but that was in response to someone who though t they were going to plan for 5,000 families on 20 acres.


Yeah, that was my bad. I missed some zeroes, not the first time I forgot to preview.
 
2013-02-05 12:11:49 PM

FreetardoRivera: I'm not sure why people are responding to Mikey at this point.


He likes it.

static.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-05 12:15:14 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: The Citadel wouldn't be able to defend itself against 3 guys with a box of dynamite. They stopped building castles for a reason, and that reason was explosives.


Like people will have access to explosives after society collapses.
 
2013-02-05 12:15:42 PM

jso2897: Frank N Stein: I've often toyed with the thought of what I would do in the case of extreme societal unrest. Although I don't act on any sort of preparations I do think of it, so perhaps I can be labeled a "thought prepper". But in any case, being in Chicago I'd probably just steal a sailboat in the harbor and make my way to rural north-western Michigan, where I have some family. And I'd fight pirates along the way.

As you can tell I've been giving this serious thought.

If our society utterly collapses, few will survive, and those that do will be the random beneficiaries of happenstance.


Luck favors the prepared, darling.
 
2013-02-05 12:44:50 PM

Mikey1969: MacWizard: $208 per family is just the application/registration fee. They're not getting a place to live for that. You're the one that said $1200 a month for the lease.

What I was trying to say is that someone is making the claim that they're just going to pocket all of this money. I was pointing out that you just pay the registration fee(And not the $1200 lease) until there is a place to live in. Not a very efficient scam.

Jesus, I'm not defending these people, just pointing out the parts people aren't bothering to read up on. Hell, I don't really care, I just get annoyed at the the INternet Professionals who make claims based on not even reading TFA, let alone attached ones, or the company's own site. I'm sure the proposed 3,000 acres isn't enough land, but that was in response to someone who though t they were going to plan for 5,000 families on 20 acres. As for this "scam" claim, I just don't see someone building the whole place, getting everyone's first month of rent(After building the whole place), and then leaving with that.


They want 7,500 families. They plan on expanding to 2,000 to 3,000 acres. That's less than 1/2 acre per family without any room for any infrastructure. No, they're not going to leave after the first month, because they have to actually build 7,500 homes to cash in on the potential $6 million (5,000 families) to $9 million (7,500 families) a month.

Right now, they are still "in the process of selecting the ideal location." They haven't built a damn thing yet.

Forgetting everything else connected with this "city," what do you actually get for $1200 a month? Exterior walls and a roof. Maybe even windows and doors. Plumbing? Running water? Bathrooms? Electrical wiring? No. Bedrooms? Interior walls? Not necessarily.

"Your home will be built to your specs with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors."

Sound like a scam yet?
 
2013-02-05 12:51:38 PM
Will they have internet access?
 
2013-02-05 12:53:37 PM

mod3072: Ok, I kind of get the idea of a separate, isolated community where you can surround yourself by like-minded people and never have to feel threatened or challenged by horrors such as opposing viewpoints. I mean, it's childish and stupid, but I get it. Why bother with the walls though? What problem does that solve? Walls have been obsolete since the invention of the cannon, and military hardware has advanced just a touch since then. When your defenses can be defeated by a cruise missile fired from a ship 1,000 miles away, or a small fleet of unmanned drones controlled by a guy with an Xbox controller in another state, not to mention tanks, artillery, missiles, grenades, and pretty much every aircraft ever designed, it seems like an unnecessary expense.I know that conservatives NEVER spend money unnecessarily, especially on feel-good, do-nothing measures that are designed purely to provide a false sense of security for the paranoid and perpetually terrified, so I don't get it. Maybe it's to stop sneaky liberals from slipping into town under the cover of darkness to soak up all of the glorious freedom and patriotism or, even worse, spread the ghey or something? I guess that kind of makes sense. You know, if you don't think about it.


Post apocalyptic barbarian hoards?
 
2013-02-05 12:54:21 PM

Frozboz: Will they have internet access?


Only to Conservepedia
 
2013-02-05 01:00:17 PM

jso2897: xen0blue: Good for them. I don't understand why all the hate.

Me neither.  Contempt for gullibility, amusement, and wonder that this clown is actually trying this scam - yes.
Hate? no. Why be upset that a con man is going to fleece a bunch of morans?


Well first off this is the internet.  Welcome to the Internet, we hate you.

Second, the whole anarchist/libertarian/Fark Independent™/secret republican mantra of whining endlessly about "gubmint bad!  Reagan good!  freedumb!" is annoying.  8 years of hearing it while losing freedoms under Bush, 12 years and counting of hearing it under democrats while having any rational attempts to help the situation slapped aside and called "libtarded libby lunacy."  30+ years of being told we (i.e. anyone not part of the in-group) are filthy socialists who want to turn the world into Soviet Russia, while ignoring all the nations that are much nicer places to live (Sweden, Canada, etc.) or pretending they are hellholes.  It got tiresome a long time ago.  Now we have these hypocritical Fark Independents™ planning their little playfort while STILL loudly and proudly name-calling and insulting everyone who isn't them, and history has shown that they are inevitably going to be begging for handouts from the government they never stop swearing at.

Finally, along with demanding handouts, projects like this one tend to end up dumping a lot of shiat.  They generate waste and run up debts and then tell everyone else that it's not their problem because the waste or debts or whatever aren't in their sovereign soil.  "We don't want to pay taxes but we expect to be protected by the military."
 
2013-02-05 01:01:49 PM

r1chard3: Post apocalyptic barbarian hoards

whores?

FTFY

Sorry, pet peave.
 
2013-02-05 01:04:06 PM

heavymetal: Flappyhead: cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.

You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.

I seriously doubt the main people behind it actually believe the crap they are saying.  I think to them the whole "Citadel project" is just a great marketing tool to sell their guns and make a healthy profit off of the paranoia of the anti-government/survivalist crowd.  They are not necessarily "pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto", but more like people who hope to profit off of "pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto".


Oh definitely.  Now that more information about the man behind all this has come out it's obvious this is just a scam.  At first glance, however, it struck me as fat white guys with inferiority complex.
 
2013-02-05 01:05:38 PM

SkunkWerks: Fart_Machine: It's probably been mentioned before but I have to hand it to this company for suckering a bunch of rubes to work for them while paying the company to do so.

Why?  It's not precisely original...

[www.thelabelframer.com image 459x599]



Ok, I'm stupid.  What's that in reference to?
 
2013-02-05 01:08:00 PM

r1chard3: mod3072: Ok, I kind of get the idea of a separate, isolated community where you can surround yourself by like-minded people and never have to feel threatened or challenged by horrors such as opposing viewpoints. I mean, it's childish and stupid, but I get it. Why bother with the walls though? What problem does that solve? Walls have been obsolete since the invention of the cannon, and military hardware has advanced just a touch since then. When your defenses can be defeated by a cruise missile fired from a ship 1,000 miles away, or a small fleet of unmanned drones controlled by a guy with an Xbox controller in another state, not to mention tanks, artillery, missiles, grenades, and pretty much every aircraft ever designed, it seems like an unnecessary expense.I know that conservatives NEVER spend money unnecessarily, especially on feel-good, do-nothing measures that are designed purely to provide a false sense of security for the paranoid and perpetually terrified, so I don't get it. Maybe it's to stop sneaky liberals from slipping into town under the cover of darkness to soak up all of the glorious freedom and patriotism or, even worse, spread the ghey or something? I guess that kind of makes sense. You know, if you don't think about it.

Post apocalyptic barbarian hoards?


That, hell it's party of their mission statement if you read between the lines.

And walls still have uses, vaguely.  It's the reason drug-lords and super-rich mansion owners put walls around their homes, a wall makes it so an attack requires a much larger push.  Not every military action ends with a drone strike, not every target can just be wiped out with a hellfire missile, and when trying to nab a Very Important Perpetrator the walls mean any entry has to blow a hole (or climb) and then all the forces have to stream through that one breach in the wall, making a choke point for fighting back.

Also, it's a goddamned playfort for overgrown children, so of course it's going to have walls for playing toy soldier.
 
2013-02-05 01:15:02 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: What's that in reference to?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community

The silverware company and the commune are one in the same, yes.

Or at least, one became the other.
 
2013-02-05 01:17:17 PM

SkunkWerks: Satan's Bunny Slippers: What's that in reference to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community

The silverware company and the commune are one in the same, yes.

Or at least, one became the other.


Well, isn't that interesting.  Thanks very much, I've learned something today.

/I was distracted by the kitten too
 
2013-02-05 01:23:46 PM

vygramul: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

Ha ha look at that guy in the back... Just waiting for those girls to get a little bit older....

I guess that means he's not a priest.


Well since he is not a US Senator I guess that means he is not a school teacher.
 
2013-02-05 01:32:56 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: SkunkWerks: Satan's Bunny Slippers: What's that in reference to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community

The silverware company and the commune are one in the same, yes.

Or at least, one became the other.

Well, isn't that interesting.  Thanks very much, I've learned something today.

/I was distracted by the kitten too


Only reason I know is that I studied the community in college philosophy courses.  They kinda are an interesting case.  Like the Amish they were pretty industrious.  Unlike the Amish (and thankfully other communes like Waco, Jim Jones, and the like) they kinda went out with a fizzle...  and in a sense even there, they never entirely went out, just the commune/religious part did.
 
2013-02-05 01:33:08 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Philip Francis Queeg: The Citadel wouldn't be able to defend itself against 3 guys with a box of dynamite. They stopped building castles for a reason, and that reason was explosives.

Like people will have access to explosives after society collapses.


Explosives are pretty easy to make. They've been around for 800 years or so. If those medieval screwheads could manage it I'm in the post-apocalyptic future where grass eats people or whatever there will be plenty of people cooking up homemade explosives.
 
2013-02-05 01:34:03 PM

odinsposse: Explosives are pretty easy to make.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-05 01:37:20 PM

sirgrim: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 250x188]
f*ck you government! Thanks for the permit!


If you read the article you would know he is not saying, "fark the Government."  He is giving a fark you to those in the survival/prepper community that called him crazy.
 
2013-02-05 01:41:37 PM

dittybopper: Fundamentalist? Not so much, but then again, these people don't seem to be religulous either.


Yes, all their talk about "tricking the Muslims" by changing their name has NOTHING to do with religious xenophobia...
 
2013-02-05 01:43:58 PM

hasty ambush: vygramul: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: hasty ambush: Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

Ha ha look at that guy in the back... Just waiting for those girls to get a little bit older....

I guess that means he's not a priest.

Well since he is not a US Senator I guess that means he is not a school teacher.




A priest wouldn't wait for her to get older.
 
2013-02-05 02:12:07 PM
Well, you know, to keep that license, the ATF just gave themselves a big legal hole to go in and look around the place.  I'm actually quite cool with this.  If they can legally sell guns, they can't illegally plot to blow up sheriffs offices and whatever else the turner diaries told them was effective.  I think these people are nuts and are building themselves a walled ghost town, but whatever.  Their lives.
 
2013-02-05 02:13:10 PM

dittybopper: Some people have made the lower receiver for AR-type rifles from scratch, in some cases from plastic material (the lower receiver on an AR doesn't need to be that strong).


They can even 3D print them now, though they don't currently seem to last very long...
 
2013-02-05 02:56:00 PM

RobSeace: dittybopper: Some people have made the lower receiver for AR-type rifles from scratch, in some cases from plastic material (the lower receiver on an AR doesn't need to be that strong).

They can even 3D print them now, though they don't currently seem to last very long...


I wouldn't be comfortable with a 3D printed receiver.  A mag, however, is trivial.

/Need to get a 3D printer and start making mags
 
2013-02-05 03:46:51 PM

vygramul: NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?

I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.

The whole thing was a clusterfark.  It wasn't helped by the disappearance of important evidence, like the doors, which could have illuminated conflicting accounts.  That Koresh was not complying with lawful orders is clear.  That the ATF did things wrong is clear.  How much culpability they had in the deaths of the Branch Davidians is a matter for debate.

/Anyone who complains about sending a drone to kill an American citizen should have a problem with how this went down.  No hostages, no immediate danger to the children, so why the actions that resulted in the deaths of citizens without trial?


Maybe it was just propaganda, or I'm remembering the details wrong, but didn't the whole thing start because of allegations of child abuse?
 
2013-02-05 04:05:34 PM

Mikey1969: Philip Francis Queeg: The Citadel wouldn't be able to defend itself against 3 guys with a box of dynamite. They stopped building castles for a reason, and that reason was explosives.

I don't know... There are two walls and a LOT of towers. You can do a lot with a guard tower and a good, well-equipped rifle. They have at least specifically said that they aren't trying to hold off the guv'mnt, but they could probably take on some local farmers just fine. Not that the guard towers are ever going to get dusted off...


No, they "plan" to have two walls and a lot of towers. Unless they are building them from styrofoam, though, those walls are going to become very, very expensive really fast. Even if they are just concrete filled concrete block facings with compacted earth between them, that's still a LOT of work to build walls encompassing "one to two square miles" as their website said.

Basically, that's 4 miles of walls. On top of a mountain, where transporting heavy equipment, cement and other logistical needs isn't exactly easy (or cheap).

/still think these people are fools
//easier to build a "citadel" in Kansas or Nebraska
///can get water and arable soil there too
////not so much of either on top of a mountain
 
2013-02-05 04:22:34 PM

illannoyin: FTA- "Imagine living in a neighborhood where you know every single neighbor on your street, in your neighborhood, and in the entire town"

FTWS- "Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles,"


On second thought, this seems to be a near perfect fit for Benewah County.  In fact, that's a fair description of most of the existing communities there.
 
2013-02-05 04:41:39 PM
On one hand, imagine the Mongolian Clusterfark that would ensue 2 weeks after a grid failure! Our thin veneer of "civilization" would peel off rather quickly and i imagine things would get ugly fast.


On the other hand, always follow the money.
 
2013-02-05 04:50:10 PM
When it is built I will have to remember to send Glenn Beck a cask of amontillado and a fool's cap.
 
2013-02-05 07:10:41 PM

manimal2878: vygramul: NewportBarGuy: GUTSU: Are you saying that the ATF didn't flood the compound with highly flammable tear gas?

I'm saying they should have respected the law of the land and surrendered to armed federal agents.

The whole thing was a clusterfark.  It wasn't helped by the disappearance of important evidence, like the doors, which could have illuminated conflicting accounts.  That Koresh was not complying with lawful orders is clear.  That the ATF did things wrong is clear.  How much culpability they had in the deaths of the Branch Davidians is a matter for debate.

/Anyone who complains about sending a drone to kill an American citizen should have a problem with how this went down.  No hostages, no immediate danger to the children, so why the actions that resulted in the deaths of citizens without trial?

Maybe it was just propaganda, or I'm remembering the details wrong, but didn't the whole thing start because of allegations of child abuse?


It's about immanence.  A priest might abuse kids, but he won't do it when you're right there.  Same with Koresh.  He wasn't just about to rape them during a gun fight.
 
2013-02-05 07:25:03 PM

vygramul: It's about immanence.  A priest might abuse kids, but he won't do it when you're right there.  Same with Koresh.  He wasn't just about to rape them during a gun fight.


Do you mean immancence, like immanentize the eschaton?  Or do you mean imminence?  Because both probably applied to the Branch Koreshians.
 
2013-02-05 07:45:36 PM

The Larch: vygramul: It's about immanence.  A priest might abuse kids, but he won't do it when you're right there.  Same with Koresh.  He wasn't just about to rape them during a gun fight.

Do you mean immancence, like immanentize the eschaton?  Or do you mean imminence?  Because both probably applied to the Branch Koreshians.


Good point.  It's funny it was autocorrected to "a" rather than "i".
 
2013-02-05 09:01:29 PM

mhd: What they want:
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What they call it:
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What they'll get:

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The Republic of Dave! (Formerly known as the Kingdom of Larry, the Republic of Stevie-Ray, Billsylvania, the New Republic of Stevie-Ray and the Kingdom of Tom before Dave took over and allowed voting.)
 
2013-02-05 10:02:27 PM

mhd: What they'll get:


tin
roof
rusted