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(Talking Points Memo)   Survivalists building a walled "Prepper" community get a gift from the ATF: They can now start legally manufacturing firearms. What's the worst that could happen?   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 577
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2013-02-04 07:44:25 PM
How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?
 
2013-02-04 07:54:58 PM
III Arms Company

futurama.overt-ops.com

"I said 'harmless' not 'armless'"
 
2013-02-04 07:55:43 PM

jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?


Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.
 
2013-02-04 08:09:04 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I wonder how we will handle your response. Could be a melting point.

Or, we will shall suddenly learn about nuance and the dangers of black/white thinking.

Either way, well done.
 
2013-02-04 08:11:10 PM
So you're co-opting a symbol of a revolution that was co-opted by the military establishment of the state it exists in and a few hundred other mainstream groups to show how "off the grid" you are? Nice.  That won't confuse anyone whatsoever, nope.
 
2013-02-04 08:16:14 PM
Is that like building a pre-compound Fluffer Community so you look engorged and terrifying when the zombie hoards actually invade your root cellar?

- For perhaps the first time in my life, that was not a sexual euphamism.
 
2013-02-04 08:23:07 PM
This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.
 
2013-02-04 08:25:48 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


That's the thing, an organized city? Don't they want a series of camouflaged bunkers and gun emplacements and booby traps connected by trenches and with lots of pylons?
 
2013-02-04 08:25:55 PM

jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?


I was told that Fartbama O'Taxbongo was the most anti-gun President EVAR. Now I'm starting to think all those people are full of shiat that said that
 
2013-02-04 08:29:27 PM
Has there been a change in tax law or something that makes this sort of scam more attractive?

www.newscorpse.com
 
2013-02-04 08:35:04 PM
It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

This is pretty much a win/win for everyone involved. The Citadel people get to finance their doomsday shelter, and the ATF gets carte blanche to stick a microscope up their pants if they so much as fart wrong. When you have an FFL you agree to let the ATF come and inspect your stock at any time for no reason at all during an annual "compliance inspection."

Also, if these people are otherwise law abiding there's no reason for the ATF to deny their request. To deny a request simply because their stated goal to build a wilderness fort is pretty obviously unconstitutional. It's tantamount to denying a request because someone said they're liberal or conservative.
 
2013-02-04 08:37:46 PM
 
2013-02-04 08:40:33 PM

Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.


It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.
 
2013-02-04 08:52:42 PM

Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?
 
2013-02-04 09:01:39 PM
Sure, but can they build bullets?
 
2013-02-04 09:03:27 PM
Who run Derpertown?
 
2013-02-04 09:03:30 PM
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done," Miller wrote in the post. "You could have been a part of it, but no......you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed.

I don't get why his critics ride the subway.
 
2013-02-04 09:03:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "There are several counties in Idaho that will work equally well for the Citadel Project if Benewah County fails to offer our Citadel Team suitable incentives."


Ah. Not scammy at all, no sirree!
 
2013-02-04 09:04:12 PM
I suppose it depends on what kind of roof they put on it.
 
2013-02-04 09:04:18 PM

"...development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families" who want to be ready for society's collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime."


If you want to live in a place with more guns and no Liberals, then move to Somalia.

 
2013-02-04 09:04:26 PM
This "citadel" is a great idea if zombies or super mutants attack. As that it unlikely, I'm waiting for the inevitable lord of the flies scenario and resulting shiatshow.
 
2013-02-04 09:04:42 PM
They make a quality American made handgun that jams as rarely as a Glock, but is as pretty as a 1911?
 
2013-02-04 09:04:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fubini: It's perfectly legal to build weapons for your own personal use (as long as you don't violate any other applicable regulations on type/size/capacity etc.) All this does is let them build guns that they can then legally sell to other people.

It's just funny that a group of people who think the government is out to get them...applied to the government for something.


You'd think they'd go ahead and do so without permission.  Oh wait that's right, they're actually pussies who just like to talk tough and carry a semi-auto.
 
2013-02-04 09:05:28 PM
I think Woodbury would be a good name for the place when it's finished.
 
2013-02-04 09:05:40 PM
They should do a kickstarter :P
 
2013-02-04 09:07:24 PM
Oh great, more nut jobs with guns.  Just what this country needs.
 
2013-02-04 09:07:45 PM
Nice little screed from the guy:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done...you cried to your masters, and you failed them...you all failed...you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch..."

/ Is this the thread where gun enthusiasts tell us how they are unfairly seen as seething resentful paranoids?
 
2013-02-04 09:07:56 PM

ordinarysteve: As that it unlikely, I'm waiting for the inevitable lord of the flies scenario and resulting shiatshow

reality TV series.
 
2013-02-04 09:08:29 PM
They are taking orders, but delivery is "uncertain".   If these guys actually manufacture more than 3 of each gun, I'll donate a grand to the NRA.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:05 PM
Why the hell do I work for a living? I should just start a hustle like this, and get rich fleecing dumbass rednecks.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:06 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Exactly, fark it. If nothing happens we get a community of whack jobs to laugh at. If the world does end, well they may not be the society I'd like to carry on but a small city is nothing to shake a stick at when everyone else is a tribal.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:11 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.

How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?
Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Who's talking about nukes? Drones would be far more environmentally friendly, and cheaper.

Heck, even in that futurewar scenario, any idiot could jury-rig a simple drone to drop firebombs.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:21 PM
Think of how many crimes could be avoided if everyone had their own photon torpedo!
 
2013-02-04 09:09:24 PM

doglover: Bloody William: This isn't a big deal. People who can build weapons will build weapons, and it's clear these guys are either too chickenshiat to do so without permission to begin with or too nuts to not do so if the government confirms their fears. If they start bombmaking or creating artillery or anti-air emplacements, then we'll have a problem.

I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


How long would the modern millitary last in a doomsday scenario?

Long enough.

Who in god's green earth would waste a nuke on idaho to off some whackjobs?

The same people who would put a nuke anywhere that screams 'NOT A TARGET' just in case.  We have enough for what?  Covering the globe 21 times over?  They can spare a few for potatoes.

If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located. Making their plays legally now means they'll have experience for when they need it and funding for future improvements.

Plus it's a damn good idea to build an old fashioned walled city if society collapses because when push comes to shove missiles require massive infrastructure to utilize but rocks are timeless. We STILL use the great wall of China and a lot of pyramids and temples. A bunker buster might be able to knock it open, but who's dropping that on rednecks?


Anyone with half the know-off who gets a hold of it in said doomsday scenario?  Defensive weaponry is finicky and not easy to use in most cases, but a big bomb?  Horseshoes and hand grenades.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:28 PM
Go be ballistic somewhere else.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:29 PM
After it's sold out, can we lock the gates from the outside?
 
2013-02-04 09:09:32 PM

doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.


The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.
 
2013-02-04 09:10:18 PM

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


Gahaha! Classic!

Pig shiat equals methane! Methane equals power!
 
2013-02-04 09:10:44 PM
Let them buy guns, let nature take its course and this will take care of itself.
 
2013-02-04 09:10:50 PM

coeyagi: Who run Derpertown?


I loled...
 
2013-02-04 09:11:55 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


One can follow the law without respecting it, or the people who enforce it.
 
2013-02-04 09:11:57 PM

jaytkay: Nice little screed from the guy:
"This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn't be done...you cried to your masters, and you failed them...you all failed...you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little biatch..."

/ Is this the thread where gun enthusiasts tell us how they are unfairly seen as seething resentful paranoids?


Sure whatever.
 
2013-02-04 09:12:02 PM

theorellior: doglover: If the world does end, they're not only ready but ideally located.

The middle of Idaho is not what anyone would consider "ideally located", with or without an apocalyptic event.

This is the first time in my life I've had mixed feelings about the possible eruption of the Yellowstone super-volcano.
 
2013-02-04 09:13:01 PM

kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.


I see nothing on their website to support your assertion.  They appear to be law abiding people who wish to create a community for like-minded people.  I won't judge their doomsday fears as my opinion on it is irrelevant.

By obtaining the requisite ATF license they remain within the law while pursuing their defense goals.  I do not see how or for whom this is a FAIL.

These licenses are routine, as are gun dealer licenses.
 
2013-02-04 09:13:27 PM

Bloody William: I'm still amused by a community resisting tyranny by centrally planning an entire city. That and the stupidity of building a walled city in Idaho. Because... that's a defensible concept against a modern military.


You seem to assume that the wall is there to keep people *out*.
 
2013-02-04 09:14:24 PM
Its a free country. Get over it.

It sounds like it will be a great place to live.
 
2013-02-04 09:15:48 PM

MasterThief: kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.

One can follow the law without respecting it, or the people who enforce it.


Just as one can live off of civilization while despising it and attempting to make little or no contribution to it. The two attitudes are often found in the same people.
 
2013-02-04 09:16:19 PM

Glancing Blow: kmmontandon: jehovahs witness protection: How is a law abiding company that goes through the right channels a FAIL subby?

Probably because these very people apparently have no cognitive dissonance from a.) Building an refuge from evil gun-grabbing tyranny, and b. ) that so-called tyrannical government issuing them a permit to manufacture firearms.

If this was the kind of country they claim it was, they wouldn't have gotten that permit.

I see nothing on their website to support your assertion.  They appear to be law abiding people who wish to create a community for like-minded people.  I won't judge their doomsday fears as my opinion on it is irrelevant.

By obtaining the requisite ATF license they remain within the law while pursuing their defense goals.  I do not see how or for whom this is a FAIL.

These licenses are routine, as are gun dealer licenses.


You know what else is routine? MY MOM!
 
2013-02-04 09:16:57 PM
Are they really that much different than these guys, aside having better personal hygiene, being better armed and kids knowing who their parents are?

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2013-02-04 09:17:11 PM
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