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(ABC 33/40 Birmingham)   Loud bang heard at hostage site in Midland City, Alabama. Law enforcement says there will be an update "in the next hour" (UPDATE: Suspect is dead; boy is safe - Live video stream in article)   (abc3340.com) divider line 333
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2013-02-04 05:04:39 PM
So ya wanna go Galt? Well okay then!
 
2013-02-04 05:04:57 PM
The kid's OK apparently, and the guy is dead.
 
2013-02-04 05:05:26 PM
I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...
 
2013-02-04 05:05:37 PM
herp. derp.
 
2013-02-04 05:06:05 PM
So, there is/was a hostage situation in Georgia as well as in Alabama?  And both in cities named Midland?  Weird...
 
2013-02-04 05:06:11 PM

jojostan: I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...


yeah because watching some nutjob that kidnapped you off himself would be not at all traumatic.
 
2013-02-04 05:06:26 PM
The article says Midland City, which I believe is in Alabama.
 
2013-02-04 05:06:32 PM
Kids O.K.? Fantastic!
 
2013-02-04 05:06:35 PM
I read the kid is safe and Dykes is dead.
 
2013-02-04 05:06:41 PM
Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.
 
2013-02-04 05:06:58 PM
Word around Alabama is the kid ok and the guy's dead.
 
2013-02-04 05:07:13 PM
cm.netseer?

Keep getting malware pings off fark today.
 
2013-02-04 05:07:26 PM
it was not is Geor......

oh, I see my work has already been done, thank you
 
2013-02-04 05:07:40 PM

dahuka: Word around Alabama is the kid ok and the guy's dead.


I am really hoping this is true.
 
2013-02-04 05:07:49 PM
Dead goblin and living kid.  It's a good day.
 
2013-02-04 05:07:49 PM
Guess who came and took his guns. And they weren't even the military.
 
2013-02-04 05:07:55 PM

violentsalvation: I read the kid is safe and Dykes is dead.


Imokaywiththis.jpg
 
2013-02-04 05:08:07 PM
 
2013-02-04 05:08:11 PM
Cops breached the bunker.  Not much of a bunker to be honest, lazy nutjob is lazy.
 
2013-02-04 05:08:38 PM

Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.


Alabama is in Georgia dumbass
 
2013-02-04 05:08:43 PM

Quigs: cm.netseer?

Keep getting malware pings off fark today.


From what I've heard from others, it's happening at other sites too.
 
2013-02-04 05:09:22 PM

Oldiron_79: Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.

Alabama is in Georgia dumbass


They do all blur together, like the "food" at Golden Corral.
 
2013-02-04 05:10:39 PM
 
2013-02-04 05:10:52 PM
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a bad guy with a gun.
 
2013-02-04 05:11:00 PM
This wouldn't have happened if the 5 year old was armed.
 
2013-02-04 05:11:16 PM
That kid is going to need a lot of consoling in the years to come.
 
2013-02-04 05:11:16 PM
Thank god the kid is ok!  As for the kindnapper, well bye
 
2013-02-04 05:11:42 PM
So the kid is okay?  I hoped it would work out for the kid.

/thought it would end up tragic
 
2013-02-04 05:12:10 PM
That poor kid is going to have a heaping dose of Stockholm Syndrome to work through. That is a hell of a thing to lay on a little kid with Aspergers and ADHD.

It's kinda funny how people who spend so much time preparing for a violent last stand with the government seem so unorganized when it actually goes down. (hmm funny, not ha ha funny)
 
2013-02-04 05:12:11 PM

Mager: Oldiron_79: Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.

Alabama is in Georgia dumbass

They do all blur together, like the "food" at Golden Corral.


I guess you are like the 1person on fark that hasnt seen idiocracy. (Ok it was FL&GA on idiocracy)
 
2013-02-04 05:12:13 PM
FTA:

Update:

Suspect is dead, child is OK
 
2013-02-04 05:12:29 PM

AspectRatio: The kid's OK apparently, and the guy is dead.


Can't wait to hear how they pulled this off.
 
2013-02-04 05:13:19 PM

nekom: Thank god the kid is ok!  As for the kindnapper, well bye


I don't think he was all that kind.
 
2013-02-04 05:13:27 PM

Oldiron_79: Mager: Oldiron_79: Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.

Alabama is in Georgia dumbass

They do all blur together, like the "food" at Golden Corral.

I guess you are like the 1person on fark that hasnt seen idiocracy. (Ok it was FL&GA on idiocracy)


I love you.
 
2013-02-04 05:13:44 PM
img.gawkerassets.comsocialchaos.net

\I'm just sayin
 
2013-02-04 05:13:51 PM

violentsalvation: I read the kid is safe and Dykes is dead.


Oh my god.
This is so much better than I thought it would end.
Wow.
I'm so glad to hear that the boy is okay.
 
2013-02-04 05:13:54 PM

Earguy: AspectRatio: The kid's OK apparently, and the guy is dead.

Can't wait to hear how they pulled this off.


My guess is that he ate a bullet, and on hearing a gunshot they blew the doors probably expecting the worst but delighted to find out that the kid was safe.
 
2013-02-04 05:14:09 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Link


FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.
 
2013-02-04 05:14:13 PM

ordinarysteve: That kid is going to need a lot of consoling in the years to come.


Yep. Not only was he kidnapped, but he saw his kidnapper murder the bus driver. Lots and lots of counseling in this poor kid's future.
 
2013-02-04 05:14:15 PM

Magnanimous_J: It's kinda funny how people who spend so much time preparing for a violent last stand with the government seem so unorganized when it actually goes down. (hmm funny, not ha ha funny)


Also kind of funny how they prove themselves to be right.

See!  Government out to get me!
 
2013-02-04 05:15:34 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.


Like the most disturbing episode of Animaniacs ever...
 
2013-02-04 05:15:36 PM
LOL, Local news is saying he got out and asked for Cheez-its and Hot Wheels.
 
2013-02-04 05:15:52 PM
Tuned in just in time to get some nice medical facts about the kid. Not sure where I got the idea that peoples' healh issue were private.

Also, I got some nice dirty laundry about the -- apparently -- dead guy.
 
2013-02-04 05:16:36 PM

Bathia_Mapes: ordinarysteve: That kid is going to need a lot of consoling in the years to come.

Yep. Not only was he kidnapped, but he saw his kidnapper murder the bus driver. Lots and lots of counseling in this poor kid's future.


As a father I'd rather my kid be traumatized instead of dead.  You can do something about the trauma.  Dead, not so much.
 
2013-02-04 05:16:49 PM
The moment in this whole case that ripped my heart out, was the parents going on TV, thanking the nutcase for "taking care" of their son.  I understand the strategy behind it, but I'd have  a hard time delivering those lines without launching into a profane tirade.
 
2013-02-04 05:17:00 PM

nekom: Thank god the kid is ok! As for the kindnapper, well bye


I like the idea of "kindnapping." Like somebody grabs you up, takes you to Vegas, and plies you with cheap whores and expensive liquor for a couple of days before releasing you at your local airport.
 
2013-02-04 05:17:08 PM

kvinesknows: jojostan: I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...

yeah because watching some nutjob that kidnapped you off himself would be not at all traumatic.


This is my fear... I hope the kid is okay and also not forever traumatized.  :(
 
2013-02-04 05:17:24 PM

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\I'm just sayin

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2013-02-04 05:17:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.


Asperger's and ADD/hyper? I'd have killed myself within the first 2 hours.
 
2013-02-04 05:18:48 PM

kvinesknows: yeah because watching some nutjob that kidnapped you off himself would be not at all traumatic.


Especially after having to spend days with him in what amounts to a walk-in closet.  With no bathroom.
 
2013-02-04 05:19:24 PM
It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.
 
2013-02-04 05:19:55 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Bathia_Mapes: ordinarysteve: That kid is going to need a lot of consoling in the years to come.

Yep. Not only was he kidnapped, but he saw his kidnapper murder the bus driver. Lots and lots of counseling in this poor kid's future.

As a father I'd rather my kid be traumatized instead of dead.  You can do something about the trauma.  Dead, not so much.


Very true.
 
2013-02-04 05:20:36 PM
According to the video feed in the article, there will be a news conference soon.
 
2013-02-04 05:20:50 PM
So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?
 
2013-02-04 05:21:19 PM

FloydA: It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.


I think he did it because he was a complete nut-burgger.  A looney toon.  A slow-coach.  A mad hatter.
 
2013-02-04 05:21:20 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.


The guy requested and got medication for the kid within hours of taking him hostage.  Most reports state that the kid seemed relatively calm for what he was going through.  He did get toys delivered to him yesterday.

/heard that they expected him to "celebrate" his 6th birthday as a hostage
//so glad that's not the case
 
2013-02-04 05:21:24 PM

FloydA: It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.


Nah, that one's pretty easy: Given the reports about him, it was because he was *34^$#ing crazy.

/And he was about to go to court for shooting at neighbors, where they;d probably have "CUM FUR HIS GYUUUUUNNS!"
 
2013-02-04 05:21:55 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Quigs: cm.netseer?

Keep getting malware pings off fark today.

From what I've heard from others, it's happening at other sites too.


Looks to only be happening with Chrome. Google blacklisted netseer, seems to be the cause.

Thread on it here (I assume to be safe for work, but YMMV) http://www.overclock.net/t/1357016/cm-netseer-com-malware-issue

/back on topic now
 
2013-02-04 05:22:01 PM

Mentalpatient87: Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.

Like the most disturbing episode of Animaniacs ever...


Even more disturbing then the "Finger Prince" one?
 
2013-02-04 05:22:32 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


Srsly? 0/10
 
2013-02-04 05:22:38 PM

Magnanimous_J: That poor kid is going to have a heaping dose of Stockholm Syndrome to work through. That is a hell of a thing to lay on a little kid with Aspergers and ADHD.

It's kinda funny how people who spend so much time preparing for a violent last stand with the government seem so unorganized when it actually goes down. (hmm funny, not ha ha funny)


No, it's kinda haha funny too.
 
2013-02-04 05:22:40 PM
If it wasn't for the school bus driver (and you know, the actual kidnapping), I'd call this guy a hero.   Now, wait, put down that bucket of tar for a moment and let me explain.

So many times we see these scenarios play out, where some guy goes nuts, and the story ends with "Murder Suicide".  In this case, he put the first bullet in the most ideal place possible.  So Mr. gone-nuts-kidnapper-in-a-bunker... Thank you for taking responsibility and not taking it further than it needed to go.

(I really feel bad for this kid.  No one should be put in a situation like that.  I hope his parents are doing ok as well.  I couldn't imagine the trauma they must be feeling).

/Still amazed that this turned out as 'well' as it did.
 
2013-02-04 05:23:42 PM
Radio guy here in Dothan, just outside of Midland City, A huge sigh of relief here as the details continue to trickle in, as I am not sure if they used flash bangs or if the hatch was booby trapped.....Dykes IS dead, and Ethan has been taken to a local hospital.  Apparently Dykes wanted to talk to a news commentator.  He did allow the authorities give Ethan his medicine and toys to keep him occupied.  Ethan's 6th birthday is apparently Wednesday
 
2013-02-04 05:23:51 PM
RIP Jimmy Dykes

ktgr.com
 
2013-02-04 05:24:02 PM

TommyDeuce: Mentalpatient87: Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.

Like the most disturbing episode of Animaniacs ever...

Even more disturbing then the "Finger Prince" one?


*blink blink* ...I don't think so.
 
2013-02-04 05:24:04 PM

lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10


No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!
 
2013-02-04 05:24:46 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


Well, he was kidnapped from a schoolbus. I don't think having bus drivers, who are frequently around grabby young children who do not, at that age, possess a very strong grasp on the concept of 'permanent consequences to an action', be armed would be a good *OR* responsible idea. For the same reason one doesn't leave a gun on a coffee table when toddlers are about.

But, hey, that's just me.
 
2013-02-04 05:26:04 PM

atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!


Let me guess...

You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?
 
2013-02-04 05:26:10 PM

FloydA: It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.


He did it because he was crazy.

The fact that crazy people do crazy things should not come as a shock to anyone.
 
2013-02-04 05:26:28 PM
 Crotchity ol vietnam vet, trapped in a 4 x 6 x 8 room with an autistic kid with adhd?
Was bound to happen.

Glad to hear the kid is ok though.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-02-04 05:27:05 PM

Sgeo: FTA:

Update:

Suspect is dead, child is OK


Oh thank god.  I was convinced that kid wasn't going to make it out.
 
2013-02-04 05:27:44 PM

DysphoricMania: Bathia_Mapes: Quigs: cm.netseer?

Keep getting malware pings off fark today.

From what I've heard from others, it's happening at other sites too.

Looks to only be happening with Chrome. Google blacklisted netseer, seems to be the cause.

Thread on it here (I assume to be safe for work, but YMMV) http://www.overclock.net/t/1357016/cm-netseer-com-malware-issue

/back on topic now


Definitely Chrome only.
 
2013-02-04 05:27:57 PM
Killed pulled a Ransom of Red Chief on the crazy fark
 
2013-02-04 05:27:57 PM
I hope the old creep didn't do anything to the kid, if you know what I mean...

/glad the kid got out alive
 
2013-02-04 05:27:59 PM

lostcat: atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!

Let me guess...

You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?


No I am building a wall made out of stupid laws around my house. That will protect me. Its what you are doing, right?
 
2013-02-04 05:28:16 PM
Glad to see that the kid is ok!  Thank <insert deity of choice here> that he's in one piece.

As for the perp, I'm glad the cops got him.  Take your conspiracies and burn in hell, idiot.
 
2013-02-04 05:28:22 PM
Cythraul:

I think he did it because he was a complete nut-burgger.  A looney toon.  A slow-coach.  A mad hatter.

Felgraf:

Nah, that one's pretty easy: Given the reports about him, it was because he was *34^$#ing crazy.

/And he was about to go to court for shooting at neighbors, where they;d probably have "CUM FUR HIS GYUUUUUNNS!"



No doubt he was crazy, but that's not enough of an answer for my purposes.  Lots of people are crazy and don't kidnap aspies and lock themselves in underground bunkers.  What particular flavor of crazy in what particular combination of events set this guy off?  If we can figure that out, we might be able to prevent it from happening again.

You might be on to something with the "they's a-comin' to taek mah gunz!" thing.
 
2013-02-04 05:29:03 PM
presser in about 5
 
2013-02-04 05:29:28 PM

Okieboy: I hope the old creep didn't do anything to the kid, if you know what I mean...


Go on...
 
2013-02-04 05:29:35 PM
News conference briefing set to begin in roughly 5 minutes. General briefing, not fielding questions at this time.
 
2013-02-04 05:30:01 PM
Must have been all that tyranny Obama was passing out....
 
2013-02-04 05:31:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.





Sorta like this:?

t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-04 05:31:39 PM

Magnanimous_J: That poor kid is going to have a heaping dose of Stockholm Syndrome to work through. That is a hell of a thing to lay on a little kid with Aspergers and ADHD.


And no arms.
 
2013-02-04 05:31:57 PM
Press conference starting now.
 
2013-02-04 05:32:10 PM

Mager: Oldiron_79: Mager: Oldiron_79: Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.

Alabama is in Georgia dumbass

They do all blur together, like the "food" at Golden Corral.

I guess you are like the 1person on fark that hasnt seen idiocracy. (Ok it was FL&GA on idiocracy)

I love you.


I know! We can put toilet water on it!
 
2013-02-04 05:32:20 PM

HypnozombieX: Crotchity ol vietnam vet, trapped in a 4 x 6 x 8 room with an autistic kid with adhd?


sounds like a CBS sitcom pilot from 1989.
 
2013-02-04 05:32:28 PM

atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!

Let me guess...

You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?

No I am building a wall made out of stupid laws around my house. That will protect me. Its what you are doing, right?


Nothing makes a person sound more ignorant and paranoid than when they make an incorrect assumption about you.
 
2013-02-04 05:32:44 PM

Felgraf: FloydA: It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.

Nah, that one's pretty easy: Given the reports about him, it was because he was *34^$#ing crazy.

/And he was about to go to court for shooting at neighbors, where they;d probably have "CUM FUR HIS GYUUUUUNNS!"


Think one of them was a $3,500 shotgun just like the one St. Barry has?  Maybe not, I hear that one is barely used, except for photo ops.
 
2013-02-04 05:32:49 PM
It would have happened soon, but God was busy deciding who would win The Superbowl.
The 49ers were 729 prayers short.
 
2013-02-04 05:32:52 PM

Naeva: LOL, Local news is saying he got out and asked for Cheez-its and Hot Wheels.


He thinks he's entitled to food and toys from the government.

ANOTHER TAKER HAS BEEN CREATED.

But seriously, very very happy the kid is safe.
 
2013-02-04 05:33:10 PM
Looks like my guess was wrong.  Looks like they went in after the kid.  Good outcome either way.
 
2013-02-04 05:33:25 PM
He offed himself? Prolly a 49'ers fan ...
 
2013-02-04 05:33:35 PM

lostcat: atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!

Let me guess...

You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?

No I am building a wall made out of stupid laws around my house. That will protect me. Its what you are doing, right?

Nothing makes a person sound more ignorant and paranoid than when they make an incorrect assumption about you.


Sort of like "You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?""
 
2013-02-04 05:34:31 PM
Well, for him I guess it WAS an end-of-the-world scenario.

Of his own making, but still.
 
2013-02-04 05:35:32 PM
Kid alive.
Kidnapper dead.

That's exactly what you call a WIN/WIN.
God job everyone!

/now Shwarma
 
2013-02-04 05:35:45 PM
Well, that press conference wasn't exactly informative.  Not sure why they didn't just release a statement.
 
2013-02-04 05:37:26 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


Why is it gun nuts are always the people who should be on "mentally unstable and shouldn't be allowed to own a gun" list?

/Yes, that's you I'm referring to.
 
2013-02-04 05:38:36 PM

Zombie DJ: Kid alive.
Kidnapper dead.

That's exactly what you call a WIN/WIN.
God job everyone!

/now Shwarma


fark I love shwarma!!
 
2013-02-04 05:39:52 PM
Kid had Asperger's? Aw, shiat, you know how many episodes of his favorite TV court show he missed? His notebooks are gonna be all farked up now.
 
2013-02-04 05:39:53 PM

atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!

Let me guess...

You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?

No I am building a wall made out of stupid laws around my house. That will protect me. Its what you are doing, right?

Nothing makes a person sound more ignorant and paranoid than when they make an incorrect assumption about you.

Sort of like "You're digging a hole for a bunker in your back yard?""


So you were kidding too, with your long rantish comments about "laws."

Because, there's a difference between kidding around ("Srlsy? 0/10") and being earnest is your paranoia.
 
2013-02-04 05:40:05 PM

GRCooper: He offed himself? Prolly a 49'ers fan ...


Going by the briefing, he was shot by the police. Apparently the situation started deteriorating over the past 24 hours to the point they thought the little boy was in increasing danger.
 
2013-02-04 05:40:07 PM

kendelrio: Mager: Oldiron_79: Mager: Oldiron_79: Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.

Alabama is in Georgia dumbass

They do all blur together, like the "food" at Golden Corral.

I guess you are like the 1person on fark that hasnt seen idiocracy. (Ok it was FL&GA on idiocracy)

I love you.

I know! We can put toilet water on it!


See, now you're back to Golden Corral.
 
2013-02-04 05:40:10 PM
i877.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 05:41:21 PM

ghare: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Why is it gun nuts are always the people who should be on "mentally unstable and shouldn't be allowed to own a gun" list?

/Yes, that's you I'm referring to.


Because soshulism. Duh!
 
2013-02-04 05:41:36 PM

ghare: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Why is it gun nuts are always the people who should be on "mentally unstable and shouldn't be allowed to own a gun" list?

/Yes, that's you I'm referring to.


That's why they fight so hard, they know it's them farking it up for everyone else.
 
2013-02-04 05:42:36 PM

Bathia_Mapes: GRCooper: He offed himself? Prolly a 49'ers fan ...

Going by the briefing, he was shot by the police. Apparently the situation started deteriorating over the past 24 hours to the point they thought the little boy was in increasing danger.


And the said he was seen "with a gun", that's about all I got out of it as well.  The key here is that it seems that police initiated the action.  Whether police shot him, or he shot himself once confronted by them is one of the finer details that will come out in time, but either way they managed to get the kid out safe, that's all anybody cares about.
 
2013-02-04 05:44:02 PM

nekom: that's all anybody cares about.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-04 05:44:23 PM

Magnanimous_J: That poor kid is going to have a heaping dose of Stockholm Syndrome to work through. That is a hell of a thing to lay on a little kid with Aspergers and ADHD.

It's kinda funny how people who spend so much time preparing for a violent last stand with the government seem so unorganized when it actually goes down. (hmm funny, not ha ha funny)



It's almost as if mentally ill people have mental illnesses. Because normal people who own guns and like to have a week or two of food in the basement don't generally do anything which would be worth reporting on.
 
2013-02-04 05:44:41 PM
fox to refer to him as a "liberal" in 3... 2...
 
2013-02-04 05:45:00 PM
So LaPierre was wrong. A good guy with a gun isn't the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun.
 
2013-02-04 05:45:12 PM

hdhale: Think one of them was a $3,500 shotgun just like the one St. Barry has? Maybe not, I hear that one is barely used, except for photo ops.


The important thing is we make this story about Obama and not the kidnapped child.
 
2013-02-04 05:45:27 PM

Bathia_Mapes: GRCooper: He offed himself? Prolly a 49'ers fan ...

Going by the briefing, he was shot by the police. Apparently the situation started deteriorating over the past 24 hours to the point they thought the little boy was in increasing danger.


I didn't if they shot him or he killed himself, but either way it was a successful forced entry rescue.  He could have done himself once he saw the game was up.  It doesn't particularly matter.  The murdering, kidnapping crazy guy is dead, the child hostage has been safely rescued, so damned good job by law enforcement.
 
2013-02-04 05:46:05 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


They sent in a well-regulated militia with weapons training but no field experiance?

Cool.

I would have thought they'd have sent in cops or a specially trained tactical unit.
 
2013-02-04 05:46:18 PM

RevCarter: So LaPierre was wrong. A good guy with a gun isn't the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun.


Well, if the cops shot him it would be a good guy with a gun AND explosives.
 
2013-02-04 05:46:41 PM

FloydA: Cythraul:

I think he did it because he was a complete nut-burgger.  A looney toon.  A slow-coach.  A mad hatter.

Felgraf:

Nah, that one's pretty easy: Given the reports about him, it was because he was *34^$#ing crazy.

/And he was about to go to court for shooting at neighbors, where they;d probably have "CUM FUR HIS GYUUUUUNNS!"


No doubt he was crazy, but that's not enough of an answer for my purposes.  Lots of people are crazy and don't kidnap aspies and lock themselves in underground bunkers.  What particular flavor of crazy in what particular combination of events set this guy off?  If we can figure that out, we might be able to prevent it from happening again.

You might be on to something with the "they's a-comin' to taek mah gunz!" thing.


He listened to a lot of conservative talk radio and hated Obama and his neighbors.
 
2013-02-04 05:47:55 PM
media.screened.com
Is this the kid?
 
2013-02-04 05:48:19 PM
I asked my better half yesterday why this story wasn't all over the news 24/7 since day 1.

She said it wasn't about the kid - its about the villian. "It'll be plastered all over the news when the media can report about the bad guy."

It really wasn't a big news story when this innocent child was held hostage for 6 days. Now its suddenly much more important. Hmmmm.

/this all could have been avoided if we would just outlaw bunkers
 
2013-02-04 05:48:31 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.


GIS for "The Ransom of Red Chief" yields:

4.bp.blogspot.com

and

gracechristianrams.org
 
2013-02-04 05:48:35 PM
Derp Derp...Thanks to guns the boy is alive!
 
2013-02-04 05:48:58 PM

FloydA: No doubt he was crazy, but that's not enough of an answer for my purposes.


EVERTHING I NEEED TO NO ABOUT CRZY PEOPLE I LEARNED ON 1/13!!!

0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-02-04 05:49:51 PM
Nightowl2255
Okieboy: I hope the old creep didn't do anything to the kid, if you know what I mean...

Go on...Just sayin, I hope he didn't leave with an orifice big enough to accomodate a pringles can.....
 
2013-02-04 05:50:34 PM
Wonder if it was the HRT.

I guess they couldn't send some knockout gas down the air tube cuz of the kid
 
2013-02-04 05:50:34 PM

mongbiohazard: Because normal people who own guns and like to have a week or two of food in the basement don't generally do anything which would be worth reporting on.


Not until they start murdering people anyway.
 
2013-02-04 05:52:13 PM

Parthenogenetic: Nadie_AZ: Ow! That was my feelings!: Link

FTA: Authorities said 65-year-old Jim Dykes killed 66-year-old Charles Albert Poland Jr. before escaping with the kindergartener, who has Asperger's syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Wouldn't this have driven the man mad? The kid couldn't sit still and was clumsy about it. Maybe the kid is a hero.

GIS for "The Ransom of Red Chief" yields:


Does that first picture show Harry Potter riding John Waters?
 
2013-02-04 05:52:48 PM
"Neighbors and officials had described Dykes as a survivalist with "anti-government" views. " -CNN
 
2013-02-04 05:55:09 PM
When people say 'we need guns to protect ourselves from the tyranny of government" remember these crazy people but that gives these nut jobs rein to kill people for what they think is "tyranny of government" too.
 
2013-02-04 05:55:35 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: nekom: Thank god the kid is ok! As for the kindnapper, well bye

I like the idea of "kindnapping." Like somebody grabs you up, takes you to Vegas, and plies you with cheap whores and expensive liquor for a couple of days before releasing you at your local airport.


I too am available for to be kindnapped.
 
2013-02-04 05:55:54 PM
Cold, dead hands?
 
2013-02-04 05:56:11 PM

KarmicDisaster: "Neighbors and officials had described Dykes as a survivalist with "anti-government" views. " -CNN


Goddaamn murderous preppers
 
2013-02-04 05:57:36 PM

GRCooper: Wonder if it was the HRT.

I guess they couldn't send some knockout gas down the air tube cuz of the kid


That was my first thought.  Open PVC tube to the inside of the bunker, perfect.  Dosage that would put the man out and not kill the kid, not so much.

I am glad it's over and that the child can get the help he will need.  The kidnapper got his solution for his mental illness, too.  Cleaned it right out.
 
2013-02-04 05:58:42 PM
Survivalist? You're doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-04 06:00:40 PM
The BBC has a more detailed and coherent account of the story.... if you are interested.
 
2013-02-04 06:00:47 PM
When I read the headline, all I could think was "One loud bang is WAY more likely to be good news than two."

Glad it seems to have ended well.


/Preppers needs to go off the air.  It glorifies freepers and conspiratards.
 
2013-02-04 06:01:34 PM
But the important question is, Did he have any Assault WeaponsTM?
 
2013-02-04 06:02:21 PM

jojostan: I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...


What was the sample size for your subterranean bus kidnapping statistics?
 
2013-02-04 06:03:31 PM

Bathia_Mapes: ordinarysteve: That kid is going to need a lot of consoling in the years to come.

Yep. Not only was he kidnapped, but he saw his kidnapper murder the bus driver. Lots and lots of counseling in this poor kid's future.


Or he could train to be a marine sniper
 
2013-02-04 06:04:05 PM

Amos Quito: But the important question is, Did he have any Assault WeaponsTM?


Good question. I also wonder if he had any firearms.
 
2013-02-04 06:05:26 PM

Mager: kendelrio: Mager: Oldiron_79: Mager: Oldiron_79: Naeva: Midland, Alabama.. not Georgia.

Alabama is in Georgia dumbass

They do all blur together, like the "food" at Golden Corral.

I guess you are like the 1person on fark that hasnt seen idiocracy. (Ok it was FL&GA on idiocracy)

I love you.

I know! We can put toilet water on it!

See, now you're back to Golden Corral.


I think im under the minimum weight for goldencorale, my fatass is like 100 lbs lighter than anyone else
 
2013-02-04 06:06:28 PM

Grapple: kvinesknows: jojostan: I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...

yeah because watching some nutjob that kidnapped you off himself would be not at all traumatic.

This is my fear... I hope the kid is okay and also not forever traumatized.  :(


20 years from now he'll have a book, a biopic, and a good career on the lecture circuit.

50 years from now, he'll be digging a bunker.
 
2013-02-04 06:07:25 PM

NightOwl2255: Amos Quito: But the important question is, Did he have any Assault WeaponsTM?

Good question. I also wonder if he had any firearms.


Well, he did when he killed the bus driver. Be pretty a dumb survivalist to not bring them into his bunker with him, but I suppose that you never know.
 
2013-02-04 06:09:42 PM
I was worried because I'm sure his bunker was powered by a free energy device and could last forever.
 
2013-02-04 06:10:05 PM
Third Man In, that's a game misconduct and the faceoff in your zone.

Hit the showers!
 
2013-02-04 06:10:26 PM
Child abducted by crazy man.  STILL ALIVE
 
2013-02-04 06:11:44 PM

Corvus: When people say 'we need guns to protect ourselves from the tyranny of government" remember these crazy people but that gives these nut jobs rein to kill people for what they think is "tyranny of government" too.


It takes a pretty twisted mind (obviously) to be so concerned about tyranny and personal rights while simultaneously being able to justify ending a man's life and literally taking away all freedom from a 5 year old boy and possibly ruining his entire life. This bastard should have just shot himself a week ago and saved everyone a lot of grief.
 
2013-02-04 06:12:30 PM

powerman2424: Ethan's 6th birthday is apparently Wednesday


That is going to be the best 6th birthday party EVER!

/Wish they'd put it on YouTube, but prolly not.
 
2013-02-04 06:12:50 PM
LarryDan43:

He listened to a lot of conservative talk radio and hated Obama and his neighbors.

Millions of people fit that description and yet never go on to kill or kidnap anyone.  Obviously, those may be contributing factors in the specific form that Dykes' madness took but they were not, themselves, causes of his madness.  If listening to Rush Limbaugh and hating Obama made people go on crime sprees, this country would be in serious chaos right now.  Getting loud-mouthed, right wing bloviators off the radio probably wouldn't have prevented this.

IDK, I just wish the head shrinkers had a chance to see what the hell was wrong with his noodle before he got snuffed.  If it had been possible to take him alive, study him, find out what makes him tick, and maybe then kill him, later, that would have been better.

I felt the same way about bin Laden.  I won't lose a second's sleep over either of those deaths, but it would have been nice to try to pick their brains first, just so that we could know what the causal factors are.
 
2013-02-04 06:13:55 PM

NightOwl2255: Amos Quito: But the important question is, Did he have any Assault WeaponsTM?

Good question. I also wonder if he had any firearms.


He had at least one. From what I've been hearing it was a combination of the deteriorating hostage situation over the past 24 hours, the increasing concern that the child was in imminent danger and seeing the suspect with a firearm in his hands that caused the FBI to move in.
 
2013-02-04 06:20:21 PM

I Like Shiny Things: I asked my better half yesterday why this story wasn't all over the news 24/7 since day 1.

She said it wasn't about the kid - its about the villian. "It'll be plastered all over the news when the media can report about the bad guy."

It really wasn't a big news story when this innocent child was held hostage for 6 days. Now its suddenly much more important. Hmmmm.



There wasn't much to report for most of the past week.  First couple days saw the nutjob's backstory.  What then - violate the boy's privacy?  Cops, of course, had little to say about what they were doing; the guy had radio and TV in his bunker, for one reason.

Still, I found daily "updates" ever day of the week.
 
2013-02-04 06:21:18 PM

RevCarter: So LaPierre was wrong. A good guy with a gun isn't the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun.


A cop can be a good guy every now and then just like a stopped clock is right.  It's only for a minute but it does happen.
 
2013-02-04 06:23:54 PM
Gee, if only the responding swat team had weapons, they could have killed the suspect and saved the boy. Another reason why all guns should be outlawed. The police would do much better with no weapons.


/Yes, yes, i know, but everyone else is jumping on the derp wagon, why not hop on.
 
2013-02-04 06:27:07 PM
----------
Update:
----------
According to FBI Special Agent in Charge Steve Richardson, as soon as they entered the bunker, Dykes was found already dead and the child was holding a rifle. In a statement, the child said he grabbed the gun while Dykes was confused and he shot him in the head.

Update:
FBI Special Agent in Charge Steve Richardson says that at 3:12pm Monday, authorities entered the bunker and recovered the child safely. The decision to enter the bunker was made after negotiations had begun to deteriorate and Dykes had been observed holding a gun.
----------
Update:
Suspect is dead, child is OK.
----------
Update:
There are now reports of 2 loud bangs and an ambulance was seen leaving the area.
Multiple sources reporting that the hostage situation is over and the child is safe.
----------
There has been a  loud bang at the hostage site in Midland City
Law enforcement on the scene tells ABC 33/40 that there will be an update in the next hour.
 
2013-02-04 06:28:22 PM
Highroller48:

/Preppers needs to go off the air.  It glorifies freepers and conspiratards.

When shiat hits the fan - like, say, Katrina, or Sandy, or the big New York blackout - nobody call them preppers.

Rational people call them geniuses.  And then criminals call them "people who aren't giving me their food so we beat them as a mob and took their shiat".
 
2013-02-04 06:29:07 PM

FloydA: Getting loud-mouthed, right wing bloviators off the radio probably wouldn't have prevented this.


Plus we don't know how often he played video games. They make you kill people, you know?
 
2013-02-04 06:30:47 PM
Glad to hear the kid made it out safe. Crazy old coot was rightfully put down. If someone takes a kid hostage, they deserve to be put down. Beyond that, didn't he shoot the bus driver?
 
2013-02-04 06:32:46 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Gee, if only the responding swat team had weapons, they could have killed the suspect and saved the boy. Another reason why all guns should be outlawed. The police would do much better with no weapons.


/Yes, yes, i know, but everyone else is jumping on the derp wagon, why not hop on.


Well, one good reason is that it has no brakes, and is rolling down a hill toward the sewage treatment pond.
You might not want to be on that wagon.
 
2013-02-04 06:35:17 PM

GreenSun: In a statement, the child said he grabbed the gun while Dykes was confused and he shot him in the head.


For real??  I totally said that at work and people were all 'no way'.
 
2013-02-04 06:35:39 PM
Look, I'm a gun owner, but I'll be the first one to tell you that if you hear of me beating a dog to death with a lead pipe (assuming said dog isn't gnawing on me or my family at the time) and using my guns to randomly shoot at neighbors then take my farking guns away, because I've clearly crossed the double yellow.

How in the blue fark did this guy NOT set off every alarm bell on the batshiat-o-meter after that? Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"
 
2013-02-04 06:37:14 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Look, I'm a gun owner, but I'll be the first one to tell you that if you hear of me beating a dog to death with a lead pipe (assuming said dog isn't gnawing on me or my family at the time) and using my guns to randomly shoot at neighbors then take my farking guns away, because I've clearly crossed the double yellow.

How in the blue fark did this guy NOT set off every alarm bell on the batshiat-o-meter after that? Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"


The Rural Alabama adjustment is off the scale.
 
2013-02-04 06:40:42 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"


That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.
 
2013-02-04 06:44:56 PM

JohnnyC: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"

That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.


But don't call them inbred hillbillies or ridge runners.  They prefer Appalachian American
 
2013-02-04 06:47:21 PM
we need to outlaw things I don't like.

that way, things I don't like will  never bother anyone.

and if that is  unconstitutional, they need to change the constitution because everybody panic! news and stuff!
 
2013-02-04 06:49:53 PM

GreenSun: ----------
Update:
----------
According to FBI Special Agent in Charge Steve Richardson, as soon as they entered the bunker, Dykes was found already dead and the child was holding a rifle. In a statement, the child said he grabbed the gun while Dykes was confused and he shot him in the head.

Update:
FBI Special Agent in Charge Steve Richardson says that at 3:12pm Monday, authorities entered the bunker and recovered the child safely. The decision to enter the bunker was made after negotiations had begun to deteriorate and Dykes had been observed holding a gun.
----------
Update:
Suspect is dead, child is OK.
----------
Update:
There are now reports of 2 loud bangs and an ambulance was seen leaving the area.
Multiple sources reporting that the hostage situation is over and the child is safe.
----------
There has been a  loud bang at the hostage site in Midland City
Law enforcement on the scene tells ABC 33/40 that there will be an update in the next hour.


I never trust explanations (i.e., rumors, guesses, P.R. spin) that come out right after an event. However, it would be interesting to find out what really happened.

If they didn't hear a shot and were just acting preemptively, that seems like hell of a risk that they wouldn't just cause the kid's death instead of preventing it. It was a buried bunker with a trapdoor the only way in; how could they count on getting in fast enough? Maybe they hoped surprise was enough. Fear and surprise. Fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope. And nice red uniforms.

Wait, I'll come in again.
 
2013-02-04 06:50:43 PM

jojostan: I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...


kid suffered immense trauma, even if he did not hear or see the guy shoot himself or get shot
 
2013-02-04 06:56:24 PM

Smeggy Smurf: JohnnyC: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"

That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.

But don't call them inbred hillbillies or ridge runners.  They prefer Appalachian American


Nope. Appalachia ends in northeast Alabama. This is in the southeast corner of AL. The term you're looking for is redneck.

Considering this happened all of 8 miles from where I grew up in the city of Dothan, I have a hard time calling this area rural.  It's not like it's completely cutoff from civilization.  It's part of a metropolitan area of 100,000 people.
 
2013-02-04 06:58:01 PM

JohnnyC: Glad to hear the kid made it out safe. Crazy old coot was rightfully put down. If someone takes a kid hostage, they deserve to be put down. Beyond that, didn't he shoot the bus driver?


He killed the bus driver while trying to kidnap a kid. If he somehow made it out of this alive he was headed straight to death row.
 
2013-02-04 06:58:35 PM

smimmy: Smeggy Smurf: JohnnyC: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"

That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.

But don't call them inbred hillbillies or ridge runners.  They prefer Appalachian American

Nope. Appalachia ends in northeast Alabama. This is in the southeast corner of AL. The term you're looking for is redneck.

Considering this happened all of 8 miles from where I grew up in the city of Dothan, I have a hard time calling this area rural.  It's not like it's completely cutoff from civilization.  It's part of a metropolitan area of 100,000 people.


Doncha knew rednecks ain't no good at geogificashuns
 
2013-02-04 06:58:39 PM
Dr. Phil, Oprah, Piers Morgan, Barbara Walters..... the first interview wheel is in motion, where it stops, nobody knows.  Alabama family to profit with interviews and books.  Stay tuned.
 
2013-02-04 06:58:40 PM

HotWingConspiracy: FloydA: Getting loud-mouthed, right wing bloviators off the radio probably wouldn't have prevented this.

Plus we don't know how often he played video games. They make you kill people, you know?


well, we do know that he was a pot head and pot usage is linked to paranoia and psychosis.
 
2013-02-04 06:59:40 PM
gerbilpox:

If they didn't hear a shot and were just acting preemptively, that seems like hell of a risk that they wouldn't just cause the kid's death instead of preventing it. It was a buried bunker with a trapdoor the only way in; how could they count on getting in fast enough? Maybe they hoped surprise was enough. ...

The loud boom was probably them blowing the hinges off the door, or blowing their way in, in some other way. I'm sure they were in within seconds, probably before the guy even had a chance to comprehend what was happening.
 
2013-02-04 07:03:03 PM
Kid has aspergers already, so he's pretty farked up to begin with. Aspergers kids don't get the same intense emotions as normal kids so the trauma may be less pronounced than most of us would expect.

Just my $.02
 
2013-02-04 07:04:45 PM
If he didn't have a good or any view of the outside from the bunker, would've let the police work out just how the bunker is built and where the weak spots are. If they blew the hinges on the door that means someone could get up to it and set up some explosives, which would mean he had no way to see the outside world. But there are ways to see inside, unless he built it out of lead a foot thick. Which he obviously didn't.
 
2013-02-04 07:05:00 PM

Smeggy Smurf: JohnnyC: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"

That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.

But don't call them inbred hillbillies or ridge runners.  They prefer Appalachian American



Even the Alabamans? Alabamians? Alabamites? Abbalamans? hicks that live in the right part of the state would never know what Appalachian American meant. They'd think you were talking about uppity Tenneseeans? Teenyseeums? Tenness-C-uns? yankees.

Dodgamnit.
 
2013-02-04 07:05:17 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How in the blue fark did this guy NOT set off every alarm bell on the batshiat-o-meter after that?


Seems about par for the course for the Gadsden flag waving types around here. This is almost baseline behavior for angry old white guys in some areas anymore.
 
2013-02-04 07:05:27 PM
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-02-04 07:07:52 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Abbalamans?


woooooohooooo, black betty
 
2013-02-04 07:07:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: well, we do know that he was a pot head and pot usage is linked to paranoia and psychosis.


Do you honestly not understand sarcasm or are you pretty much just bored with this alt at this point and you're just sort of winding it down?

I only ask because.... no... wait.... I just noticed a bit of peeling paint so suddenly I have something better to do than give a shiat about your incessant derping.

Never mind.
 
2013-02-04 07:08:10 PM
Good thing the kid is okay. I would've hated to see what the end game is in Obama's gun-free paradise where noone has guns.
 
2013-02-04 07:09:11 PM
Taking him alive should have been a priority.  Not a higher priority than the safety of the child, but still a priority.

Less traumatic for the child, for everyone, and it would have allowed us all to learn a little bit more about what the heck happened.  More knowledge is never a bad thing.  Nevermind that holding someone hostage isn't a capital offense, so the police have some sort of duty to try to not make it one.

I think everyone would have been best served by having him go to trial, learning more about how things got to this point, and not having some kid experience a guy getting killed in the same room as him.
 
2013-02-04 07:09:14 PM
Sorry, I meant nothing of value was lost by this asshole shooting himself.

Obviously, the bus driver he killed previously is a loss. And yeah, this hasn't gotten nearly as much attention in the press as I would have thought, given the circumstances.
 
2013-02-04 07:10:56 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: this hasn't gotten nearly as much attention in the press as I would have thought, given the circumstances.


the 'what happens in Alabama, DEARGODPLEASE stays in Alabama' reflex is strong.
 
2013-02-04 07:11:08 PM
Note: Yes, I know he killed the bus driver, but once again that sort of thing has to go to trial before judgement can be passed, but the hostage thing was what they were actively dealing with, i.e. my mention of holding a hostage not being a capital offense.
 
2013-02-04 07:12:18 PM
As long as the boy is safe, that's all that matters at this time.
 
2013-02-04 07:12:47 PM

snowshovel: Good thing the kid is okay. I would've hated to see what the end game is in Obama's gun-free paradise where noone has guns.


the fark are you even talking about?
disarming cops?
has someone suggested disarming cops or are you making shiat up?
 
2013-02-04 07:12:59 PM

snowshovel: Good thing the kid is okay. I would've hated to see what the end game is in Obama's gun-free paradise where noone has guns.


What would have happened if the hostage taker didn't have a gun?

I'm told he would have used a knife or a car.
 
2013-02-04 07:16:10 PM

JRoo: snowshovel: Good thing the kid is okay. I would've hated to see what the end game is in Obama's gun-free paradise where noone has guns.

What would have happened if the hostage taker didn't have a gun?

I'm told he would have used a knife or a car.


I'm guessing the knife, it's pretty hard to get a car down a PVC tube to your bunker.
 
2013-02-04 07:16:48 PM

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\I'm just sayin



  Maybe not...But I'm thinking that kid is gonna be a little edgy around Santa Claus for the next couple of years...
 
2013-02-04 07:17:00 PM
Clearly this was a staged event by Fuehrer Obama to scare us all into throwing our guns into a UN-built quarry full of salt water and leftover freedom. Oh, and HeWhoHasNoName, either you've not seen Doomsday Preppers or you weren't paying attention. Having an emergency kit to see you through the first few days of a crisis is admittedly common sense. Building a geothermal-powered mega-fortress with a closed ventilation system, pungee stick traps, gun ports and an electrified motion-sensitive perimeter fence is hardly "rational". I'll bet 50 cents you have a "Don't Tread On Me" flag doubling as a curtain in at least one bedroom window.
 
2013-02-04 07:17:02 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: tenpoundsofcheese: well, we do know that he was a pot head and pot usage is linked to paranoia and psychosis.

Do you honestly not understand sarcasm or are you pretty much just bored with this alt at this point and you're just sort of winding it down?

I only ask because.... no... wait.... I just noticed a bit of peeling paint so suddenly I have something better to do than give a shiat about your incessant derping.

Never mind.


well that finally explains it!
Stay away from the peeling paint - lead poisoning will greatly affect your mental skills.

You may want to see a doctor.  Tell them about your fixation with peeling paint.
 
2013-02-04 07:18:49 PM
Watching CNN this afternoon after this all went down, couldn't help but notice the plethora of WalMart trucks passing on the highway behind them.  Is there a distribution center near there or are there just than many WalMart trucks on Alabama highways?
 
2013-02-04 07:18:55 PM

basemetal: So the kid is okay? I hoped it would work out for the kid.


Well, he is still in Alabama.
 
2013-02-04 07:19:40 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.


You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.
 
2013-02-04 07:19:41 PM
I want to see all bunkers outlawed.
 
2013-02-04 07:19:49 PM

kvinesknows: jojostan: I hope he offed himself, and left the kid alone, but things like this usually don't work out like that...

yeah because watching some nutjob that kidnapped you off himself would be not at all traumatic.


You seem to suggest that the child would not already be suffering severe trauma before that.

Interesting point of view.
 
2013-02-04 07:20:54 PM

Quigs: cm.netseer?

Keep getting malware pings off fark today.


me, too
 
2013-02-04 07:23:29 PM

itsfullofstars: Watching CNN this afternoon after this all went down, couldn't help but notice the plethora of WalMart trucks passing on the highway behind them.  Is there a distribution center near there or are there just than many WalMart trucks on Alabama highways?


All stores are Walmart in Alabama now.
 
2013-02-04 07:23:43 PM

nexxus: I want to see all bunkers outlawed.


Then only outlaws will have bunkers.
 
2013-02-04 07:26:07 PM
so a spiffy tag after the update?
 
2013-02-04 07:26:16 PM

KarmicDisaster: itsfullofstars: Watching CNN this afternoon after this all went down, couldn't help but notice the plethora of WalMart trucks passing on the highway behind them.  Is there a distribution center near there or are there just than many WalMart trucks on Alabama highways?

All stores are Walmart in Alabama now.


and all restuarants are Taco Bell?

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 07:27:48 PM

Felgraf: I don't think having bus drivers, who are frequently around grabby young children who do not, at that age, possess a very strong grasp on the concept of 'permanent consequences to an action', be armed would be a good *OR* responsible idea. For the same reason one doesn't leave a gun on a coffee table when toddlers are about.


An elementary school bus driver armed with a gun is likely to end up shooting the brats, themselves, or most likely both.
 
2013-02-04 07:28:30 PM

mayIFark: so a spiffy tag after the update?


This
 
2013-02-04 07:28:43 PM

gerbilpox: nexxus: I want to see all bunkers outlawed.

Then only outlaws will have bunkers.


i21.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 07:30:35 PM

snowshovel: Good thing the kid is okay. I would've hated to see what the end game is in Obama's gun-free paradise where noone has guns.


My troll meter is broken today, are you serious?
 
2013-02-04 07:31:28 PM
Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?
 
2013-02-04 07:32:12 PM
Glad to know the kid is safe. The guy was an anti-government survivalist nutcase. Dunno why he had to bring a kid who had nothing to do with the government.
 
2013-02-04 07:32:57 PM
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2013-02-04 07:33:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.


I guess you didn't read my followup. It's OK, reading is kinda hard for some people.
 
2013-02-04 07:33:49 PM
Best of all possible outcomes, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-02-04 07:36:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.


Also, could the internet drama queens get together and find another phrase to replace "Wow. Just wow."?

It's getting old.
 
2013-02-04 07:36:24 PM
How did all those legal guns do protecting him from the government? About as expected.
 
2013-02-04 07:37:34 PM

pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?


If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.
 
2013-02-04 07:40:15 PM
And here I was hoping that the sound was the time-space fabric in Alabama folding in upon itself, leaving us with a darkened 'bama shaped hole in our country.
 
2013-02-04 07:40:20 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.

I guess you didn't read my followup. It's OK, reading is kinda hard for some people.


changing the goalposts again?

writing seems to be hard for you.

go take your sick attitude elsewhere.  A bus driver is DEAD and a kid is traumatized...no biggie for you, I know.
 
2013-02-04 07:40:35 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.

Also, could the internet drama queens get together and find another phrase to replace "Wow. Just wow."?

It's getting old.


[politely]

You could leave.
 
2013-02-04 07:41:56 PM

HotWingConspiracy: mongbiohazard: Because normal people who own guns and like to have a week or two of food in the basement don't generally do anything which would be worth reporting on.

Not until they start murdering people anyway.



From the mind control rays that the evil devil machines emit, I guess.

Strangely enough, there are millions of people who own guns and manage to not murder people - ever. Same as there are millions of people who own cars and don't use them to run people over. Or hammers who manage not to beat anyone to death. Consider the state of healthcare in this country, in particular mental health care which is in even worse shape, and our utterly appalling income and wealth disparity... but yeah, everyone who owns guns is going to start murdering people. Even though they actually don't, so let's just continue to blame the symptom and forget all about how these people have mental health problems. That'll fix it. Ignoring the cause of things always fixes them.
 
2013-02-04 07:43:06 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.

I guess you didn't read my followup. It's OK, reading is kinda hard for some people.

changing the goalposts again?

writing seems to be hard for you.

go take your sick attitude elsewhere.  A bus driver is DEAD and a kid is traumatized...no biggie for you, I know.


Oh for fark's sake ... I should have known better than to respond. I didn't think you were a troll, but I don't keep really close track of that shiat, so I'll just make a mental note to not waste my time in the future.
 
2013-02-04 07:43:14 PM

Magnanimous_J: That poor kid is going to have a heaping dose of Stockholm Syndrome to work through. That is a hell of a thing to lay on a little kid with Aspergers and ADHD.

It's kinda funny how people who spend so much time preparing for a violent last stand with the government seem so unorganized when it actually goes down. (hmm funny, not ha ha funny)


I thought they took Asperger's out of the DSM-V?
 
2013-02-04 07:44:40 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I didn't think you were a troll


All evidence to date suggests he's not really just pretending to be stupid...
 
2013-02-04 07:44:54 PM
Too many guns.

/and crazy people
 
2013-02-04 07:45:43 PM

lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.


If the guns were legally purchased by a man with mental issues and a rap sheet, it adds validity to the question: "How long has the ATF had its thumbs up its own arse and what the hell have they been doing with the money we gave them?"

When the agency in charge of the regulations has given away more guns than its found, you have to ask if we aren't at the point of getting diminishing returns from giving government more power.
 
2013-02-04 07:47:15 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Also, could the internet drama queens get together and find another phrase to replace "Wow. Just wow."?

It's getting old.


Ha! Yeah, count me in on this one.
 
2013-02-04 07:47:39 PM

JohnnyC: Glad to hear the kid made it out safe. Crazy old coot was rightfully put down. If someone takes a kid hostage, they deserve to be put down. Beyond that, didn't he shoot the bus driver?


Yes, he murdered the bus driver in front of the children on the bus, including the child he then took hostage.
 
2013-02-04 07:55:08 PM
There's no way in Hell the kid killed him. Unless he's even dumber and crazier than we thought. Or he decided to committ suicide by having the kid pull the trigger.  In that case, he's even more evil than we thought.

Am I the only person that thinks the news coverage of this story has been absolutely pathetic? Usually we get mad at them for getting the story wrong, or focusing on irrelevant details.  This time, it was as if they just decided, "screw it, we're sitting this one out."
 
2013-02-04 07:56:22 PM

bim1154: Dr. Phil, Oprah, Piers Morgan, Barbara Walters..... the first interview wheel is in motion, where it stops, nobody knows.  Alabama family to profit with interviews and books.  Stay tuned.


Yeah, because having your child kidnapped and held hostage for 7 days is obviously just like winning the lottery.  Moron.
 
2013-02-04 07:56:24 PM

Bathia_Mapes: JohnnyC: Glad to hear the kid made it out safe. Crazy old coot was rightfully put down. If someone takes a kid hostage, they deserve to be put down. Beyond that, didn't he shoot the bus driver?

Yes, he murdered the bus driver in front of the children on the bus, including the child he then took hostage.


Damn video games!
 
2013-02-04 07:56:55 PM
So, Obama went in and took him out like he did the Japs in Iran?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-02-04 07:56:58 PM
I'm waiting for that coont Erin Burnett, whom I will not watch on my TV, to get off CNN so I can watch more news.

Really... how did that corporate kiss ass even get hired?
 
2013-02-04 08:00:37 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the kid has Asperger's and ADHD.

This poor kid is gonna need a shiat-ton of therapy for quite a while. Better than him being dead, I suppose.

Glad the worthless sack of shiat who did all of this is getting to have an awkward discussion with St. Peter.
 
2013-02-04 08:02:30 PM

hdhale: Think one of them was a $3,500 shotgun just like the one St. Barry has? Maybe not, I hear that one is barely used, except for photo ops.


Hrm? Nah, I think it was the guns Dykes used to shoot at neighbors, not the shotgun from the image from august that crazy folks demanded Obama release, then biatched about when he did.
 
2013-02-04 08:04:43 PM

way south: lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.

If the guns were legally purchased by a man with mental issues and a rap sheet, it adds validity to the question: "How long has the ATF had its thumbs up its own arse and what the hell have they been doing with the money we gave them?"

When the agency in charge of the regulations has given away more guns than its found, you have to ask if we aren't at the point of getting diminishing returns from giving government more power.


When the NRA spends as much money as it does interfering with the ATF's effectiveness with arbitrary political roadblocks at every turn, you have to wonder about the honesty of the NRA's "If only the government was competent enough to enforce existing law" talking points.

I don't support a ban on "assault weapons," or restrictions on magazine size. But I won't join the NRA either.
 
2013-02-04 08:05:06 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: There's no way in Hell the kid killed him. Unless he's even dumber and crazier than we thought. Or he decided to committ suicide by having the kid pull the trigger.  In that case, he's even more evil than we thought.

Am I the only person that thinks the news coverage of this story has been absolutely pathetic? Usually we get mad at them for getting the story wrong, or focusing on irrelevant details.  This time, it was as if they just decided, "screw it, we're sitting this one out."


The news coverage has covered all the news there was to cover.

Of course, the kid didn't kill the nutter.  That "update" was bullshiat.
 
2013-02-04 08:06:58 PM
Sleeping Monkey

How did all those legal guns do protecting him from the government? About as expected.

If he had taken a hostage but not been armed, how long do you think he would have held off the cops?
 
2013-02-04 08:07:18 PM
Kidnapper removed himself from everyone's way?

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2013-02-04 08:07:29 PM

snowjack: When the NRA spends as much money as it does interfering with the ATF's effectiveness with arbitrary political roadblocks at every turn, you have to wonder about the honesty of the NRA's "If only the government was competent enough to enforce existing law" talking points.


That's the conservative playbook, not just for guns.

"Gummint don't work!!"

"Heck of a job, Brownie."

"SEE!!"
 
2013-02-04 08:10:02 PM

Felgraf: hdhale: Think one of them was a $3,500 shotgun just like the one St. Barry has? Maybe not, I hear that one is barely used, except for photo ops.

Hrm? Nah, I think it was the guns Dykes used to shoot at neighbors, not the shotgun from the image from august that crazy folks demanded Obama release, then biatched about when he did.


You know, assuming Obama chose that gun... I gotta say, he's got good taste. That piece is understated in its elegance. A lot of guys with the double-barreled guns like to go all out with tons of shiny lacquer on the finish, tons of ornate engraving on the receiver, and gold-plated triggers... ol' Barry just kept it simple and functional, yet beautiful.

That's all I have to say on it.
 
2013-02-04 08:15:22 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Look, I'm a gun owner, but I'll be the first one to tell you that if you hear of me beating a dog to death with a lead pipe (assuming said dog isn't gnawing on me or my family at the time) and using my guns to randomly shoot at neighbors then take my farking guns away, because I've clearly crossed the double yellow.

How in the blue fark did this guy NOT set off every alarm bell on the batshiat-o-meter after that? Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"


But if we take guns away from virulently insane people, or attempt to institute any registration or licensing that might enable that, we will be stepping onto that slippery slope that can ONLY end with black helicopters full of jackbooted thugs descending in the dead of night to confiscate the guns of Real Americans, and drag them off to re-education camps in Death Valley.
 
2013-02-04 08:17:04 PM

studebaker hoch: If he had taken a hostage but not been armed, how long do you think he would have held off the cops?


Why don't we ask the bus driver?
 
2013-02-04 08:18:46 PM

SarcasticFark: bim1154: Dr. Phil, Oprah, Piers Morgan, Barbara Walters..... the first interview wheel is in motion, where it stops, nobody knows.  Alabama family to profit with interviews and books.  Stay tuned.

Yeah, because having your child kidnapped and held hostage for 7 days is obviously just like winning the lottery.  Moron.


For people in Alabama, collecting pop bottles and beer cans is like winning the lottery.  But... like it or not, most always the tragedy of tragedies is that people who are involved in things like this will profit somehow in the long run.  It's one of the laws of the universe... The temptation to profit by doing interviews to networks is a fact. I don't know what farking rock you've been hiding under, but maybe you should stay there.
 
2013-02-04 08:20:43 PM

studebaker hoch: Sleeping Monkey

How did all those legal guns do protecting him from the government? About as expected.

If he had taken a hostage but not been armed, how long do you think he would have held off the cops?


Locked in a bunker with a small child he could easily kill or gravely injure with his bare hands? As long as he did under the existing circumstances. Do you think the cops held off because they were afraid he'd shoot them?
 
2013-02-04 08:20:51 PM

Marine1: You know, assuming Obama chose that gun... I gotta say, he's got good taste. That piece is understated in its elegance. A lot of guys with the double-barreled guns like to go all out with tons of shiny lacquer on the finish, tons of ornate engraving on the receiver, and gold-plated triggers... ol' Barry just kept it simple and functional, yet beautiful.


Why don't you just marry it?
 
2013-02-04 08:21:28 PM

gerbilpox: Marine1: You know, assuming Obama chose that gun... I gotta say, he's got good taste. That piece is understated in its elegance. A lot of guys with the double-barreled guns like to go all out with tons of shiny lacquer on the finish, tons of ornate engraving on the receiver, and gold-plated triggers... ol' Barry just kept it simple and functional, yet beautiful.

Why don't you just marry it?


Just sayin', man. Guy's got good taste.
 
2013-02-04 08:21:32 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


Yes. The same authority figures you are so worried about. Just as it's supposed to happen. Now fark off you opportunistic amoral twatwaffle.
 
2013-02-04 08:27:02 PM

lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.


So 100 nutjobs out of 300 million and all of a sudden we all have to be treated like criminals?

What ever happened to treating people like adults?
 
2013-02-04 08:27:15 PM
Ban lead piping and a century later only criminals have lead pipe
 
2013-02-04 08:29:50 PM

bim1154: SarcasticFark: bim1154: Dr. Phil, Oprah, Piers Morgan, Barbara Walters..... the first interview wheel is in motion, where it stops, nobody knows.  Alabama family to profit with interviews and books.  Stay tuned.

Yeah, because having your child kidnapped and held hostage for 7 days is obviously just like winning the lottery.  Moron.

For people in Alabama, collecting pop bottles and beer cans is like winning the lottery.  But... like it or not, most always the tragedy of tragedies is that people who are involved in things like this will profit somehow in the long run.  It's one of the laws of the universe... The temptation to profit by doing interviews to networks is a fact. I don't know what farking rock you've been hiding under, but maybe you should stay there.


Aaand I think we're done here.
 
2013-02-04 08:30:39 PM

Smurfme: Ban lead piping and a century later only criminals have lead pipe


Specifically, Colonel Mustard. In the library.
 
2013-02-04 08:31:30 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: nekom: Thank god the kid is ok! As for the kindnapper, well bye

I like the idea of "kindnapping." Like somebody grabs you up, takes you to Vegas, and plies you with cheap whores and expensive liquor for a couple of days before releasing you at your local airport.


At my age and physical condition, I would prefer expensive whores and cheap liquor.
 
2013-02-04 08:32:19 PM

atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!


Seriously, youshould fark off. Jumping on the very coattails of a situation like this reveals some pretty sociopathic tendencies in you, and that applies whether you are serious or trolling. Either one. You do not have an out, no matter the argument, strawman or appeal to "commen sense/logic". You've burned this login. If there is any decency out there at all that lives behind the snark, ignore this troll/sociopath.
 
2013-02-04 08:39:02 PM

I Like Shiny Things: I asked my better half yesterday why this story wasn't all over the news 24/7 since day 1.

She said it wasn't about the kid - its about the villian. "It'll be plastered all over the news when the media can report about the bad guy."

It really wasn't a big news story when this innocent child was held hostage for 6 days. Now its suddenly much more important. Hmmmm.

/this all could have been avoided if we would just outlaw bunkers


Funny. Not exactly exclusive coverage, bu up her in Nova Scotia there was an update every news cycle...
 
2013-02-04 08:40:31 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


As far as I can tell, one lone bad guy with a gun took out the one lone bad guy with a gun.
 
2013-02-04 08:40:42 PM
NBC News reporting that the explosion came from a "diversionary device" which I take to mean a flash-bang grenade.
 
2013-02-04 08:40:49 PM

halB: lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.

So 100 nutjobs out of 300 million and all of a sudden we all have to be treated like criminals?

What ever happened to treating people like adults?


Do you say that when you have to register your car, or insure it, or obtain a license to drive it? I'm not trying to give you a hard time here - but it's never occured to me to feel that way about my automobile, and if I had to do the same stuff for my guns, i would just do it. I have no desire to get rid of guns - but, just as I don't want crazy, incompetent people driving cars around, i don't want crazy, incompetent people toting guns around.
Would you advocate dispensing with the licensing and registration of automobiles and their drivers?
 
2013-02-04 08:41:53 PM

snowjack: way south: lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.

If the guns were legally purchased by a man with mental issues and a rap sheet, it adds validity to the question: "How long has the ATF had its thumbs up its own arse and what the hell have they been doing with the money we gave them?"

When the agency in charge of the regulations has given away more guns than its found, you have to ask if we aren't at the point of getting diminishing returns from giving government more power.

When the NRA spends as much money as it does interfering with the ATF's effectiveness with arbitrary political roadblocks at every turn, you have to wonder about the honesty of the NRA's "If only the government was competent enough to enforce existing law" talking points.


Its a weak excuse for failure, in my opinion.

If the ATF can't find a way to enforce existing laws when pit against a perfectly legitimate lobby group with predictable interests and obvious tactics (what the NRA wants and how it plans to achieve it are goals written on its own website, for crying out loud) then the BATF is going to find itself entirely lost when trying to fight the criminal and terrorist element. Groups that are accustomed to using far more subversive tactics and have extremely insidious goals.

...and I think this is the problem.  People want to blame the NRA for working against amismanaged government agency.
They should beasking what is wrong with the BATFE, not complaining that the world of law and crime is just too difficultfor them to deal with.

/The FBI and justice departments around the nation seem to get along swimmingly most days.
/They manage to both follow and enforce laws without losing thousands of guns in the process.
 
2013-02-04 08:44:25 PM

way south: snowjack: way south: lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.

If the guns were legally purchased by a man with mental issues and a rap sheet, it adds validity to the question: "How long has the ATF had its thumbs up its own arse and what the hell have they been doing with the money we gave them?"

When the agency in charge of the regulations has given away more guns than its found, you have to ask if we aren't at the point of getting diminishing returns from giving government more power.

When the NRA spends as much money as it does interfering with the ATF's effectiveness with arbitrary political roadblocks at every turn, you have to wonder about the honesty of the NRA's "If only the government was competent enough to enforce existing law" talking points.

Its a weak excuse for failure, in my opinion.

If the ATF can't find a way to enforce existing laws when pit against a perfectly legitimate lobby group with predictable interests and obvious tactics (what the NRA wants and how it plans to achieve it are goals written on its own website, for crying out loud) then the BATF is going to find itself entirely lost when trying to fight the criminal and terrorist element. Groups that are accustomed to using far more subversive tactics and have extremely insidious goals.

...and I think this is the problem.  People want to blame the NRA for working against amismanaged government agency.
They should beasking what is wrong with the BATFE, not complaining that the world of law and crime is just too difficultfor them to deal with.

/The FBI and justice departments aro ...


Sounds good to me. So, what is the NRA doing to help the ATF achieve more comprehensive and effective enforcement of existing gun laws?
 
2013-02-04 08:45:51 PM

Felgraf: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Well, he was kidnapped from a schoolbus. I don't think having bus drivers, who are frequently around grabby young children who do not, at that age, possess a very strong grasp on the concept of 'permanent consequences to an action', be armed would be a good *OR* responsible idea. For the same reason one doesn't leave a gun on a coffee table when toddlers are about.

But, hey, that's just me.


The LAST person I would arm would be a school bus driver who has to deal with 30+ squealing ankle-biters every day.
 
2013-02-04 08:46:05 PM

HotWingConspiracy: FloydA: Getting loud-mouthed, right wing bloviators off the radio probably wouldn't have prevented this.

Plus we don't know how often he played video games. They make you kill people, you know?


Obviously we need to consider that possibility.  Playing video games does make you emulate the characters in the game.  For example, when I was young, I used to play Asteroids a lot, and I grew up to be a triangle.
 
2013-02-04 08:46:27 PM
Sic semper conservatus.
 
2013-02-04 08:47:13 PM

halB: So 100 nutjobs out of 300 million


100?

It's closer to 200 per week.

There were 1,280 gun deaths in the US between Sandy Hook (December 14) and Feb 1st.
 
2013-02-04 08:49:17 PM
The TV networks are not going to show live footage of what the cops are doing outside of a hostage situation for the obvious reason that the hostage-taker might be watching the news himself; and would be warned about what the police are and aren't doing.

The hostages right to be successfully rescued trumps your right to gawk.
 
2013-02-04 08:58:57 PM

RevCarter: So LaPierre was wrong. A good guy with a gun isn't the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun.


So, the police aren't "good guys"?   Wow, I didn't realize the cops who rescued the kid are "bad guys" too...?
 
2013-02-04 09:00:33 PM
So that's what happened to the guy they said during an interview that they had killed at some point earlier in the day.   at 5:30 pm on another network.
 
2013-02-04 09:02:19 PM

Smeggy Smurf: JohnnyC: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"

That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.

But don't call them inbred hillbillies or ridge runners.  They prefer Appalachian American


Except that this took place in South Alabama, close to the Florida border. Flatlanders. Nowhere near the Appalachians.
 
2013-02-04 09:03:06 PM

d23: I'm waiting for that coont Erin Burnett, whom I will not watch on my TV, to get off CNN so I can watch more news.

Really... how did that corporate kiss ass even get hired?


By "just asking questions here" would be my guess.

/Kind of good-looking in that "cute but vapid as hell" sort of way.
 
2013-02-04 09:06:08 PM

jso2897: Sounds good to me. So, what is the NRA doing to help the ATF achieve more comprehensive and effective enforcement of existing gun laws?


It told the ATF to do its job.

/Do you expect a pro-gun lobby to help enforce gun laws?
/That's like expecting the ACLU to help censors and investigators.
/You might as well ask Mexican drug lords to bring back the guns Eric Holder gave em.
 
2013-02-04 09:06:55 PM

Xyphoid: Taking him alive should have been a priority.  Not a higher priority than the safety of the child, but still a priority.

Less traumatic for the child, for everyone, and it would have allowed us all to learn a little bit more about what the heck happened.  More knowledge is never a bad thing.  Nevermind that holding someone hostage isn't a capital offense, so the police have some sort of duty to try to not make it one.

I think everyone would have been best served by having him go to trial, learning more about how things got to this point, and not having some kid experience a guy getting killed in the same room as him.



Oh horseshiat. Lunatic acted in a lunatic manner which he had been doing for many years. Resources of holding, trying and incarcerating him for life are preserved for the next asshole.
 
2013-02-04 09:09:08 PM

Kaenneth: The TV networks are not going to show live footage of what the cops are doing outside of a hostage situation for the obvious reason that the hostage-taker might be watching the news himself; and would be warned about what the police are and aren't doing.

The hostages right to be successfully rescued trumps your right to gawk.


WHY DIDN'T SUSAN RICE TELL US WHAT WAS HAPPENING RIGHT AWAY? WHAT IS 0BAMA HIDING?

\seriously, is this next?
 
2013-02-04 09:11:06 PM
Tangent:

Am I alone in thinking this Asperger's/ADHD thing is probably BS? I know they exist, but the kid is five and those are two of the most over-diagnosed illnesses in our society. I have this image in my head of helicopter parents with a perfectly healthy, if excitable, child.
 
2013-02-04 09:12:36 PM
www.rawstory.com

"This isolated incident is a tragedy for America's heartland.  The individual clearly had mental issues.  Please seek help if you have concerns."

"COMING UP NEXT: IS OBAMA GOING TO USE THE ARMY TO BREAK DOWN YOUR DOOR AND TAKE YOUR GUNS?  JOIN US FOR DAY #3 OF OBAMA'S WAR ON AMERICANS: THEY'RE COMING. NOW.  RIGHT NOW!"
 
2013-02-04 09:15:16 PM

way south: If the guns were legally purchased by a man with mental issues and a rap sheet, it adds validity to the question: "How long has the ATF had its thumbs up its own arse and what the hell have they been doing with the money we gave them?"

When the agency in charge of the regulations has given away more guns than its found, you have to ask if we aren't at the point of getting diminishing returns from giving government more power.


NRA-supported restrictions on the ATF's budget, manpower, enforcement actions, and even record-keeping have prevented the agency from doing its job. It hasn't even had a Director for 6 years, because confirmation of one has been blocked. See Flashback: How Republicans and the NRA Kneecapped the ATF, The NRA's Long Reach, and NRA-led gun lobby wields powerful influence over ATF, U.S. politics.

Or for a quick run-down, this clip from the Daily Show: http://www.hulu.com/watch/446439
 
2013-02-04 09:18:58 PM

snowjack: Smurfme: Ban lead piping and a century later only criminals have lead pipe

Specifically, Colonel Mustard. In the library.


Yeah, if the media's gonna go all cliche with their reporting, they should've gone all out and said he beat the dog to death with a candle stick. That kind of looked like a hole in the story to me. If Matt Lock was his lawyer, he would've pointed out that if he was patrolling his yard with a gun in one hand and a flash light in the other, where does the lead pipe come from? You can't exactly store lead pipe it in your pocket. Then he wouldn't of had to worry about going to court and this whole thing could of been avoided.
 
2013-02-04 09:20:40 PM

Wayne 985: Tangent:

Am I alone in thinking this Asperger's/ADHD thing is probably BS? I know they exist, but the kid is five and those are two of the most over-diagnosed illnesses in our society. I have this image in my head of helicopter parents with a perfectly healthy, if excitable, child.


Umm, Parent of a an Aspy here...   It's both REAL and VERY noticeable at an early age in some children.  They rarely want to actually hang a formal diagnosis at that age, however, so I'm not sure how these parents got one out of a licensed psychiatrist.  My son was showing the symptoms clearly as early as 2 years of age.  By five, he was very challenging to care for; my wife has never had a job as she's taken care of him his whole life.  He's 18 now and started college this semester.  Doing very well.  It's a long road with lots of ups and downs.

I have no doubt that some kids are over diagnosed, but make no mistake, it IS real and CAN be seen this early.  It is very, very difficult to parent a child like this.   It's also rewarding, but you have to have a lot of patience.  On the first day of this hostage crisis I was discussing it with my wife as we wondered how the nut job was going to handle a Aspy in a tiny container underground, especially since he was an old man without kids around.
 
2013-02-04 09:21:30 PM
Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.
 
2013-02-04 09:24:49 PM

CptnSpldng: The LAST person I would arm would be a school bus driver who has to deal with 30+ squealing ankle-biters every day.


What's the worse that could happen, therapy for 25 or so kids?
 
2013-02-04 09:25:15 PM

way south: jso2897: Sounds good to me. So, what is the NRA doing to help the ATF achieve more comprehensive and effective enforcement of existing gun laws?

It told the ATF to do its job.

/Do you expect a pro-gun lobby to help enforce gun laws?
/That's like expecting the ACLU to help censors and investigators.
/You might as well ask Mexican drug lords to bring back the guns Eric Holder gave em.


So, nothing, other than biatch and moan, and lobby to cut their funding? That sounds about right.
 
2013-02-04 09:27:24 PM

elchip: Sic semper conservatusconservatis.


Plural dative, not singular nominative.
 
2013-02-04 09:27:43 PM

remus: Wayne 985: Tangent:

Am I alone in thinking this Asperger's/ADHD thing is probably BS? I know they exist, but the kid is five and those are two of the most over-diagnosed illnesses in our society. I have this image in my head of helicopter parents with a perfectly healthy, if excitable, child.

Umm, Parent of a an Aspy here...   It's both REAL and VERY noticeable at an early age in some children.  They rarely want to actually hang a formal diagnosis at that age, however, so I'm not sure how these parents got one out of a licensed psychiatrist.  My son was showing the symptoms clearly as early as 2 years of age.  By five, he was very challenging to care for; my wife has never had a job as she's taken care of him his whole life.  He's 18 now and started college this semester.  Doing very well.  It's a long road with lots of ups and downs.

I have no doubt that some kids are over diagnosed, but make no mistake, it IS real and CAN be seen this early.  It is very, very difficult to parent a child like this.   It's also rewarding, but you have to have a lot of patience.  On the first day of this hostage crisis I was discussing it with my wife as we wondered how the nut job was going to handle a Aspy in a tiny container underground, especially since he was an old man without kids around.


Well, I stand corrected on that point. Apologies if I offended you, and I'm certainly sympathetic to your struggles.
 
2013-02-04 09:27:44 PM

mercator_psi: Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.


Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?
 
2013-02-04 09:28:29 PM

SultanofSchwing: This wouldn't have happened if the 5 year old was armed.


You know what jagoff? You may be right....
 
2013-02-04 09:30:13 PM
Does anyone know why they didn't just raid the bunker right after he fell asleep??  The guy was 65 years old, did he really stay alert and attentive for 5 straight days?
 
2013-02-04 09:32:30 PM

Aces and Eights: Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?


Doing something tangible would probably help.  Making sure that this kid's family can pay their bills (I doubt they have been working for the past week), and get them and their son some top flight therapy maybe.

Or you can pray so as to feel good about how awesome you are.  Pick one.
 
2013-02-04 09:33:20 PM

remus: Wayne 985: Tangent:

Am I alone in thinking this Asperger's/ADHD thing is probably BS? I know they exist, but the kid is five and those are two of the most over-diagnosed illnesses in our society. I have this image in my head of helicopter parents with a perfectly healthy, if excitable, child.

Umm, Parent of a an Aspy here...   It's both REAL and VERY noticeable at an early age in some children.  They rarely want to actually hang a formal diagnosis at that age, however, so I'm not sure how these parents got one out of a licensed psychiatrist.  My son was showing the symptoms clearly as early as 2 years of age.  By five, he was very challenging to care for; my wife has never had a job as she's taken care of him his whole life.  He's 18 now and started college this semester.  Doing very well.  It's a long road with lots of ups and downs.

I have no doubt that some kids are over diagnosed, but make no mistake, it IS real and CAN be seen this early.  It is very, very difficult to parent a child like this.   It's also rewarding, but you have to have a lot of patience.  On the first day of this hostage crisis I was discussing it with my wife as we wondered how the nut job was going to handle a Aspy in a tiny container underground, especially since he was an old man without kids around.


Your son is 18 years old and I will posit that back when your son was diagnosed, it was a virtually unheard of condition and, therefore, a pretty reliable diagnosis.  Aspergers/Autism is the 2000's version of 1990's ADHD 'epidemic'.

I don't care what any medical professional claims:  a 5 year old boy has no business being diagnosed with ANY of the above conditions.  Our entire mental health system needs to be torn apart and restructured.
 
2013-02-04 09:33:48 PM

popesballs: Does anyone know why they didn't just raid the bunker right after he fell asleep??  The guy was 65 years old, did he really stay alert and attentive for 5 straight days?


If the kid had adhd, he might have had Ritalin/Adderall on him.  Or the guy may have had his own stash of uppers.
 
2013-02-04 09:37:57 PM

BSABSVR: Aces and Eights: Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?

Doing something tangible would probably help.  Making sure that this kid's family can pay their bills (I doubt they have been working for the past week), and get them and their son some top flight therapy maybe.

Or you can pray so as to feel good about how awesome you are.  Pick one.


Thanks, sir. Really, anything farking TANGIBLE.
 
2013-02-04 09:38:50 PM

SarcasticFark: Your son is 18 years old and I will posit that back when your son was diagnosed, it was a virtually unheard of condition and, therefore, a pretty reliable diagnosis.  Aspergers/Autism is the 2000's version of 1990's ADHD 'epidemic'.

 
I don't care what any medical professional claims:  a 5 year old boy has no business being diagnosed with ANY of the above conditions.  Our entire mental health system needs to be torn apart and restructured.

Tom Cruise posts on fark. Who knew?
 
2013-02-04 09:44:20 PM

d23: I'm waiting for that coont Erin Burnett, whom I will not watch on my TV, to get off CNN so I can watch more news.

Really... how did that corporate kiss ass even get hired?


When ever I see Burnett I imagine Tina Fey doing a really mocking parody and think how awesome it would be.
 
2013-02-04 09:45:20 PM

phritz: SarcasticFark: Your son is 18 years old and I will posit that back when your son was diagnosed, it was a virtually unheard of condition and, therefore, a pretty reliable diagnosis.  Aspergers/Autism is the 2000's version of 1990's ADHD 'epidemic'.
 
I don't care what any medical professional claims:  a 5 year old boy has no business being diagnosed with ANY of the above conditions.  Our entire mental health system needs to be torn apart and restructured.

Tom Cruise posts on fark. Who knew?


Idk... The news did say all the other kids scrambled to the back of the bus. One was to left, to busy slapping himself in the head.
 
2013-02-04 09:45:35 PM

SarcasticFark: remus: Wayne 985: Tangent:

Am I alone in thinking this Asperger's/ADHD thing is probably BS? I know they exist, but the kid is five and those are two of the most over-diagnosed illnesses in our society. I have this image in my head of helicopter parents with a perfectly healthy, if excitable, child.

Umm, Parent of a an Aspy here...   It's both REAL and VERY noticeable at an early age in some children.  They rarely want to actually hang a formal diagnosis at that age, however, so I'm not sure how these parents got one out of a licensed psychiatrist.  My son was showing the symptoms clearly as early as 2 years of age.  By five, he was very challenging to care for; my wife has never had a job as she's taken care of him his whole life.  He's 18 now and started college this semester.  Doing very well.  It's a long road with lots of ups and downs.

I have no doubt that some kids are over diagnosed, but make no mistake, it IS real and CAN be seen this early.  It is very, very difficult to parent a child like this.   It's also rewarding, but you have to have a lot of patience.  On the first day of this hostage crisis I was discussing it with my wife as we wondered how the nut job was going to handle a Aspy in a tiny container underground, especially since he was an old man without kids around.

Your son is 18 years old and I will posit that back when your son was diagnosed, it was a virtually unheard of condition and, therefore, a pretty reliable diagnosis.  Aspergers/Autism is the 2000's version of 1990's ADHD 'epidemic'.

I don't care what any medical professional claims:  a 5 year old boy has no business being diagnosed with ANY of the above conditions.  Our entire mental health system needs to be torn apart and restructured.


Like I said, it's very difficult to find a licensed psychiatrist that would actually give a formal diagnosis of pretty much anything at age 5.  They wouldn't give my son any diagnosis until he was around 12.  Then, they ran the huge battery of diagnostic tests, etc. and the guy with the PHD said it was Aspergers.

At age 5, they refused to give us a diagnosis.  They did, however, treat him with meds.  It was the difference between night and day.  He went from literally not being able to stay in school for more than a few hours before they called to ask us to pick him up to being able to stay all day and actually learn.
 
2013-02-04 09:53:38 PM

WizardofToast: Glad to know the kid is safe. The guy was an anti-government survivalist nutcase. Dunno why he had to bring a kid who had nothing to do with the government.


Because, bad guys are attracted to soft targets who are legally unarmed and therefore unable to fight back.  Stealing a kid or two were his way to give himself power.  Glad he's dead; hope the kid he farked up can recover.

/I hope that we don't have a /followup thread 15 years from now when the kid he farked up does the same.
//designating targets as safe to attack, helps and protects nobody but the attackers.  Seriously people, learn this.
 
2013-02-04 09:55:10 PM

Aces and Eights: mercator_psi: Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.

Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?


Probably by doing something better than praying, which is only slightly less useful than, "wishing it were so."
 
2013-02-04 10:27:34 PM

jso2897: way south: jso2897: Sounds good to me. So, what is the NRA doing to help the ATF achieve more comprehensive and effective enforcement of existing gun laws?

It told the ATF to do its job.

/Do you expect a pro-gun lobby to help enforce gun laws?
/That's like expecting the ACLU to help censors and investigators.
/You might as well ask Mexican drug lords to bring back the guns Eric Holder gave em.

So, nothing, other than biatch and moan, and lobby to cut their funding? That sounds about right.

dl.dropbox.com

I'm not sure what you expect from a pro-rights lobbyist group.
When government screws up, they don't exactly don a cape and come to the rescue.

Generally, they just point and laugh.

/Spend years saying gun control is a failed idea.
/The idea fails and people expect you to fix it? WTF?!
 
2013-02-04 10:31:25 PM

djh0101010: /I hope that we don't have a /followup thread 15 years from now when the kid he farked up does the same.
//designating targets as safe to attack, helps and protects nobody but the attackers. Seriously people, learn this.


So, again, are you suggesting we should arm a person whose *JOB* is to be around grabby children who do not have a very strong grasp on the concept of 'permanent consequences'?

That seems rather irresponsible.
 
2013-02-04 10:35:39 PM

jaytkay: There were 1,280 gun deaths in the US between Sandy Hook (December 14) and Feb 1st.


That's about on par with the flu, isn't it?  Fast food and cigarettes killed about 100 times as many Americans in the same time period.
 
2013-02-04 10:36:49 PM

FloydA: It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.


I'm sure his reasons would be rational and enlightening.
 
2013-02-04 10:38:12 PM

NutWrench: Aces and Eights: mercator_psi: Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.

Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?

Probably by doing something better than praying, which is only slightly less useful than, "wishing it were so."


Granted. And I agree with each of you that doing something tangible is more "useful" than something abstract. But maybe not every single person in that community had something they could do that was tangible. Maybe they don't have the money or resources to give away. Maybe the family already had enough casseroles and teddy bears. Maybe they don't actually know the family and don't want to intrude, but want to show them that they care. Maybe they're doing the best thing they know to do. To the extent that praying brings comfort to those who engage in the practice, so be it. Maybe it even brings a measure of comfort to the family of the victim.

I'm a do-er, not a pray-er myself. But I think it's simplistic to call an entire state "backwards and weak-minded" because they are showing compassion and concern for others.

We are all on this forum, discussing this incident. Many have expressed gratitude that the kid is safe and hope the kid will be ok. Is that weak minded because we are talking about it instead of "doing" something about it? Hoping/praying for a good result is simply an expression of kindness.
 
2013-02-04 10:39:24 PM

SarcasticFark: remus: Wayne 985: Tangent:

Am I alone in thinking this Asperger's/ADHD thing is probably BS? I know they exist, but the kid is five and those are two of the most over-diagnosed illnesses in our society. I have this image in my head of helicopter parents with a perfectly healthy, if excitable, child.

Umm, Parent of a an Aspy here...   It's both REAL and VERY noticeable at an early age in some children.  They rarely want to actually hang a formal diagnosis at that age, however, so I'm not sure how these parents got one out of a licensed psychiatrist.  My son was showing the symptoms clearly as early as 2 years of age.  By five, he was very challenging to care for; my wife has never had a job as she's taken care of him his whole life.  He's 18 now and started college this semester.  Doing very well.  It's a long road with lots of ups and downs.

I have no doubt that some kids are over diagnosed, but make no mistake, it IS real and CAN be seen this early.  It is very, very difficult to parent a child like this.   It's also rewarding, but you have to have a lot of patience.  On the first day of this hostage crisis I was discussing it with my wife as we wondered how the nut job was going to handle a Aspy in a tiny container underground, especially since he was an old man without kids around.

Your son is 18 years old and I will posit that back when your son was diagnosed, it was a virtually unheard of condition and, therefore, a pretty reliable diagnosis.  Aspergers/Autism is the 2000's version of 1990's ADHD 'epidemic'.

I don't care what any medical professional claims:  a 5 year old boy has no business being diagnosed with ANY of the above conditions.  Our entire mental health system needs to be torn apart and restructured.


So you know more than any medical professional, despite your years of training in any field unrelated to the diagnosis, treatment or management of mental disorders?
 
2013-02-04 10:40:57 PM

way south: snowjack: way south: lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.

If the guns were legally purchased by a man with mental issues and a rap sheet, it adds validity to the question: "How long has the ATF had its thumbs up its own arse and what the hell have they been doing with the money we gave them?"

When the agency in charge of the regulations has given away more guns than its found, you have to ask if we aren't at the point of getting diminishing returns from giving government more power.

When the NRA spends as much money as it does interfering with the ATF's effectiveness with arbitrary political roadblocks at every turn, you have to wonder about the honesty of the NRA's "If only the government was competent enough to enforce existing law" talking points.

Its a weak excuse for failure, in my opinion.

If the ATF can't find a way to enforce existing laws when pit against a perfectly legitimate lobby group with predictable interests and obvious tactics (what the NRA wants and how it plans to achieve it are goals written on its own website, for crying out loud) then the BATF is going to find itself entirely lost when trying to fight the criminal and terrorist element. Groups that are accustomed to using far more subversive tactics and have extremely insidious goals.

...and I think this is the problem.  People want to blame the NRA for working against amismanaged government agency.
They should beasking what is wrong with the BATFE, not complaining that the world of law and crime is just too difficultfor them to deal with.

/The FBI and justice departments aro ...


Of course the ATF is mismanaged. They haven't even been able to appoint someone to officially run it since 2006, because the NRA's pet congresscritters have been blocking confirmation ever since they changed the rules to require confirmation... That's my whole point. It's dishonest to work so hard to disorganize an organization, and then complain that it's not doing its job.

And that's only part of the problem. There are also a bunch of other regulations and legal obstacles in the way of the ATF doing it's job well. The ATF can't change the law, they can only enforce it.
 
2013-02-04 10:59:31 PM
Suspect dead... saved everyone a costly, dragged-out trial and prison expenses. The kid is as okay as he can be. I'm okay with this.
 
2013-02-04 11:04:07 PM

Smurfme: snowjack: Smurfme: Ban lead piping and a century later only criminals have lead pipe

Specifically, Colonel Mustard. In the library.

Yeah, if the media's gonna go all cliche with their reporting, they should've gone all out and said he beat the dog to death with a candle stick. That kind of looked like a hole in the story to me. If Matt Lock was his lawyer, he would've pointed out that if he was patrolling his yard with a gun in one hand and a flash light in the other, where does the lead pipe come from? You can't exactly store lead pipe it in your pocket. Then he wouldn't of had to worry about going to court and this whole thing could of been avoided.


Matt Lock?
 
2013-02-04 11:17:28 PM

Felgraf: djh0101010: /I hope that we don't have a /followup thread 15 years from now when the kid he farked up does the same.
//designating targets as safe to attack, helps and protects nobody but the attackers. Seriously people, learn this.

So, again, are you suggesting we should arm a person whose *JOB* is to be around grabby children who do not have a very strong grasp on the concept of 'permanent consequences'?

That seems rather irresponsible.


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2013-02-04 11:29:36 PM
Psycho man is dead. Kid is alive

Finally some good news! We need it.
 
2013-02-04 11:33:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.

I guess you didn't read my followup. It's OK, reading is kinda hard for some people.

changing the goalposts again?

writing seems to be hard for you.

go take your sick attitude elsewhere.  A bus driver is DEAD and a kid is traumatized...no biggie for you, I know.


yeah, 3000 dead and you gave bush a pass. 4 dead and you want obamas ass. fark you. hard. dry. with a legal gun. troll.
 
2013-02-04 11:35:17 PM

NameDot: Level I holster that has completely passed a second Holster Retention Test, with the primary
lock disabled, is clearly rated at a Level II. It can be further tested for additional levels of
security. To determine a further rating, the second motion or action required by the user to
continue the drawing sequence must be simulated. As in the example described in the Level II
rating of the SLS, the hood would be pushed down and then pushed forward in the final
unlocked position before the Retention T


Kay, how much do those cost? Who's going to pay for them, make sure bus drivers are trained to use them, etc?

Furthemore, given that it seems designed to, well, make drawing the gun more difficult, how would this have been of use in this scenario? The driver likely didn't know the man was armed until the man's gun *was pointed at him* (given that he was, you know, probably more focused on the bus/whether any douchebags were about to pass the stopped bus and possibly hit a kid/etc.). Unless the driver was the reincarnation of billy the kid, I'm not really seeing how this would have helped.

/Not that I think guns should be banned.
//But the "BUS DRIVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARMED" argument seems... asinine? I'm tired of this 'blame the victim' crap.
 
2013-02-04 11:40:36 PM

atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?


And an armed, well trained Seal sniper has no defense against an armed deranged man. At the end of the day I guess his gun and his training didn't count for much, did it?
 
2013-02-04 11:44:48 PM

inglixthemad: I thought they took Asperger's out of the DSM-V?


As I understand, they now just call it a sub-category of "Autism".  Not that anyone was ever claiming otherwise, I think it was just an attempt to prune down the nomenclature.
 
2013-02-04 11:48:23 PM

jso2897: Would you advocate dispensing with the licensing and registration of automobiles and their drivers?


Some people do.  Isn't that how Timothy McVeigh was caught?
 
2013-02-04 11:50:19 PM
I'd have much rather that the kidnapper was not killed. I'd like to think of that asshole spending the rest of his life in prison, with no privacy, under the thumb of the government, and seeing his precious property being sold to compensate the boy and his family for the trauma he caused them.
 
2013-02-05 01:22:17 AM

We're beginning to see some signs of progress: I'd have much rather that the kidnapper was not killed. I'd like to think of that asshole spending the rest of his life in prison, with no privacy, under the thumb of the government, and seeing his precious property being sold to compensate the boy and his family for the trauma he caused them.


I'm really torn on this one. You make a good point, but I'm also thinking: the guy's 65. Figure he's would have had another ten years in him. Cost of his trial including a court appointed defender plus ten years' incarceration, plus healthcare would have easily topped a million bucks. I'm thinking we get the better end of this deal with the 95-cent bullet.
 
2013-02-05 01:59:50 AM

Aces and Eights: Smeggy Smurf: JohnnyC: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Even adjusting for "Rural Alabama"

That's a pretty intense adjustment. I've been to rural Alabama... strange place. Some of the people are alright... a lot... are not.

But don't call them inbred hillbillies or ridge runners.  They prefer Appalachian American

Except that this took place in South Alabama, close to the Florida border. Flatlanders. Nowhere near the Appalachians.


We have them Idaho as well.  Geography has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-02-05 02:06:09 AM

Naeva: LOL, Local news is saying he got out and asked for Cheez-its and Hot Wheels.


Kids rad
 
2013-02-05 03:21:49 AM
 
2013-02-05 04:43:40 AM

Alphakronik: And here I was hoping that the sound was the time-space fabric in Alabama folding in upon itself, leaving us with a darkened 'bama shaped hole in our country.


I read that as short for Obama and was both confused as all hell and amused as all hell at the same time. I blame narcotics.
 
2013-02-05 05:11:26 AM

atomicmask: lostcat: atomicmask: So the talking and promises and vague threats of gun free zones didn't rescue the kid, men armed with guns rescued the kid?

Srsly? 0/10

No seriously, they should have just legislated the kid free! If they toss enough laws at the loony he would have realized the error in his ways and gave up! It is what's going to protect us after this crazy "gun culture" we got finally goes the way of the dodo right? Laws are like bulletproof vests, the more you have the more bullet proof you are!


Law enforcement freed the kid, not some redneck freeper with 2nd amendment issues.
 
2013-02-05 05:40:46 AM

HeWhoHasNoName: Highroller48:

/Preppers needs to go off the air.  It glorifies freepers and conspiratards.

When shiat hits the fan - like, say, Katrina, or Sandy, or the big New York blackout - nobody call them preppers.

Rational people call them geniuses.  And then criminals call them "people who aren't giving me their food so we beat them as a mob and took their shiat".


How exactly are you supposed to prep for a hurricane other than to evacuate?
 
2013-02-05 05:44:16 AM

legion_of_doo: we need to outlaw things I don't like.

that way, things I don't like will  never bother anyone.

and if that is  unconstitutional, they need to change the constitution because everybody panic! news and stuff!


I'm sure this was said by every Southerner since before Lincoln took office.
 
2013-02-05 05:44:30 AM

djh0101010: WizardofToast: Glad to know the kid is safe. The guy was an anti-government survivalist nutcase. Dunno why he had to bring a kid who had nothing to do with the government.

Because, bad guys are attracted to soft targets who are legally unarmed and therefore unable to fight back.  Stealing a kid or two were his way to give himself power.  Glad he's dead; hope the kid he farked up can recover.

/I hope that we don't have a /followup thread 15 years from now when the kid he farked up does the same.
//designating targets as safe to attack, helps and protects nobody but the attackers.  Seriously people, learn this.


Serious Poe's law here...are gun nuts really now suggesting 5 years old should be armed to protect themselves from being kidnapped?
 
2013-02-05 05:52:50 AM

snowshovel: Good thing the kid is okay. I would've hated to see what the end game is in Obama's gun-free paradise where noone has guns.


The part in bold would be an awesome name for an amusement park. Picture it: all the rides would have signs that say how many socialisms you need to ride, and the biggest ride there would be called "snowshovel's paranoid coaster of derp."
 
2013-02-05 06:06:12 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly Pirate Hooker: And nothing of value was lost.

You are saying that a dead bus driver and a tormented kid is is not a loss?

Wow.  Just wow.

I guess you didn't read my followup. It's OK, reading is kinda hard for some people.

changing the goalposts again?

writing seems to be hard for you.

go take your sick attitude elsewhere.  A bus driver is DEAD and a kid is traumatized...no biggie for you, I know.


And learning to read is no biggie for you.
 
2013-02-05 06:19:19 AM

halB: lostcat: pciszek: Since we are politicizing the hell out of this anyway, does anyone know if this guy's guns were legally purchased?

If they were, it adds validity to the argument that guns should be licensed, like cars. And the license has to be renewed every few years. Part of the licensing would involve a simple psych eval to determine if the person should continue to have access to a gun.

And the license would be required to purchase ammunition.

So 100 nutjobs out of 300 million and all of a sudden we all have to be treated like criminals?


You must be joking.

What ever happened to treating people like adults?

Whatever happened to people acting like adults?
 
2013-02-05 06:36:27 AM

snowjack: Of course the ATF is mismanaged. They haven't even been able to appoint someone to officially run it since 2006, because the NRA's pet congresscritters have been blocking confirmation ever since they changed the rules to require confirmation... That's my whole point. It's dishonest to work so hard to disorganize an organization, and then complain that it's not doing its job.

And that's only part of the problem. There are also a bunch of other regulations and legal obstacles in the way of the ATF doing it's job well. The ATF can't change the law, they can only enforce it.


Its a problem mainly of the ATF's own making. Politicians, lobbies, and citizens don't become your friends if you keep bringing scandal to their doors with shady tactics.

The fact that the ATF can't get a director named speaks more for the lack of faith politicians have in it than anything the NRA's done.
Every political appointment faces opposition. Every president makes the fact there is opposition into part of the broader argument that his opponents are opposing him. Every lobby tries to get the rules bent to its will. Every citizen caught violating the law is going to try to lawyer their way out of it.
Every other agency seems to deal with these issues and remain functional.

I don't see "Politics is difficult" as a valid excuse for why the 1.1 billion dollar ATF can't get things done in the face of a 250 million dollar NRA.

...and lets not forget that our desire is to see these same guys taking on criminals who often use lawyers and intimidation (along with murder, extortion, and corruption) to evade the law.
This is like a kid complaining that the bully on the playground is just too much to deal with and then, in the same breath, saying he's ready to go to Columbia and bust heads.
 
2013-02-05 08:44:54 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Alabama hostage taker Jimmy Lee Dykes died at cops' hands


And someone in the comments is blaming Jane Fonda and John Kerry.  Brilliant.
 
2013-02-05 08:48:04 AM

Aces and Eights: NutWrench: Aces and Eights: mercator_psi: Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.

Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?

Probably by doing something better than praying, which is only slightly less useful than, "wishing it were so."

Granted. And I agree with each of you that doing something tangible is more "useful" than something abstract. But maybe not every single person in that community had something they could do that was tangible. Maybe they don't have the money or resources to give away. Maybe the family already had enough casseroles and teddy bears. Maybe they don't actually know the family and don't want to intrude, but want to show them that they care. Maybe they're doing the best thing they know to do. To the extent that praying brings comfort to those who engage in the practice, so be it. Maybe it even brings a measure of comfort to the family of the victim.

I'm a do-er, not a pray-er myself. But I think it's simplistic to call an entire state "backwards and weak-minded" because they are showing compassion and concern for others.

We are all on this forum, discussing this incident. Many have expressed gratitude that the kid is safe and hope the kid will be ok. Is that weak minded because we are talking about it instead of "doing" something about it? Hoping/praying for a good result is simply an expression of kindness.


Honestly, it's not the praying of individuals that bugs me. That's fine. Each person has to get through the night somehow.

What really gets on my wick is when assholes like that chump of a wannabe preacher starts holding himself up as a paragon of virtue because he supposedly organized "prayer vigils" and then wants to organize a "prayer celebration".

And what gets on my wick even worse is when the local media are just like "oh yeah, that makes total sense! Go for it, preacher man!" I mean, it's the role of the Fourth Estate to report on things, not to be complicit in a snake oil salesman's attempt at making a name for himself on the back of a tragic event.

My statement stands: Alabama, you are full of backwards and weak-minded clods, many of which are trying to keep you that way, both actively and passively. I refuse to apologize for that statement. Further, that goes for every other state in the Union, and every other country on earth. So don't think I'm being regionalist or whatever.

We must keep our eyes open.
 
2013-02-05 09:10:09 AM

way south: snowjack: Of course the ATF is mismanaged. They haven't even been able to appoint someone to officially run it since 2006, because the NRA's pet congresscritters have been blocking confirmation ever since they changed the rules to require confirmation... That's my whole point. It's dishonest to work so hard to disorganize an organization, and then complain that it's not doing its job.

And that's only part of the problem. There are also a bunch of other regulations and legal obstacles in the way of the ATF doing it's job well. The ATF can't change the law, they can only enforce it.

Its a problem mainly of the ATF's own making. Politicians, lobbies, and citizens don't become your friends if you keep bringing scandal to their doors with shady tactics.

The fact that the ATF can't get a director named speaks more for the lack of faith politicians have in it than anything the NRA's done.
Every political appointment faces opposition. Every president makes the fact there is opposition into part of the broader argument that his opponents are opposing him. Every lobby tries to get the rules bent to its will. Every citizen caught violating the law is going to try to lawyer their way out of it.
Every other agency seems to deal with these issues and remain functional.

I don't see "Politics is difficult" as a valid excuse for why the 1.1 billion dollar ATF can't get things done in the face of a 250 million dollar NRA.

...and lets not forget that our desire is to see these same guys taking on criminals who often use lawyers and intimidation (along with murder, extortion, and corruption) to evade the law.
This is like a kid complaining that the bully on the playground is just too much to deal with and then, in the same breath, saying he's ready to go to Columbia and bust heads.


Sorry, that won't fly. If you won't allow *anyone* to be appointed to even *attempt* to run a government agency, then you have no standing whatsoever to biatch about how it's run. Weaksauce.
 
2013-02-05 09:14:31 AM

Aces and Eights: NutWrench: Aces and Eights: mercator_psi: Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.

Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?

Probably by doing something better than praying, which is only slightly less useful than, "wishing it were so."

Granted. And I agree with each of you that doing something tangible is more "useful" than something abstract. But maybe not every single person in that community had something they could do that was tangible. Maybe they don't have the money or resources to give away. Maybe the family already had enough casseroles and teddy bears. Maybe they don't actually know the family and don't want to intrude, but want to show them that they care. Maybe they're doing the best thing they know to do. To the extent that praying brings comfort to those who engage in the practice, so be it. Maybe it even brings a measure of comfort to the family of the victim.

I'm a do-er, not a pray-er myself. But I think it's simplistic to call an entire state "backwards and weak-minded" because they are showing compassion and concern for others.

We are all on this forum, discussing this incident. Many have expressed gratitude that the kid is safe and hope the kid will be ok. Is that weak minded because we are talking about it instead of "doing" something about it? Hoping/praying for a good result is simply an expression of kindness.


This angry part of my post is not aimed at you, but rather the person to which you responded.  I quoted you to highlight something you said.

The pastor that has been seen on local media a lot is being shown because his church is adjacent to the property.  As far as doing something, they put the media up in one of their church buildings - for free.  When the FBI asked about the space, they moved the FBI into that large building - for free, and moved the media into another church building - for free.  When they saw FBI needed tables and chairs the pastor and congregation pulled them from other parts of their facility.

They didn't give them food because in their own words 'others beat us to it'.  Apparently, other congregations brought so much some had to be turned away.

I don't care what your sprirtual beliefs are, but anyone insulting these honest, hard working, salt of the earth people is inexcusable.  They'll give you the shirt off their backs to help one in need.  If the rest of the world considers that backwards, then that's their problem.  I'll gladly stay backwoods the rest of my life.
 
2013-02-05 10:59:28 AM
I kinda wish he was still alive, that trial would have been VERY interesting to watch
 
2013-02-05 11:05:43 AM

JustGetItRight: This angry part of my post is not aimed at you, but rather the person to which you responded.  I quoted you to highlight something you said.

The pastor that has been seen on local media a lot is being shown because his church is adjacent to the property.  As far as doing something, they put the media up in one of their church buildings - for free.  When the FBI asked about the space, they moved the FBI into that large building - for free, and moved the media into another church building - for free.  When they saw FBI needed tables and chairs the pastor and congregation pulled them from other parts of their facility.

They didn't give them food because in their own words 'others beat us to it'.  Apparently, other congregations brought so much some had to be turned away.

I don't care what your sprirtual beliefs are, but anyone insulting these honest, hard working, salt of the earth people is inexcusable.  They'll give you the shirt off their backs to help one in need.  If the rest of the world considers that backwards, then that's their problem.  I'll gladly stay backwoods the rest of my life.


Everything you said may be factual. I'll take your word for it. That still doesn't excuse the media for being complicit in the wholesale promotion of "prayer vigils" and "prayer celebrations". And by the way, why didn't the media let people know all of those mitigating details? Isn't it their job to inform the public? We should prefer to have information, not warm fuzzies. This is what really bugs me about this story.
 
2013-02-05 11:38:56 AM

JesusJuice: FloydA: It's good that the kid is OK.

It's too bad we'll probably never know why the kidnapper did it.

I'm sure his reasons would be rational and enlightening.


His "reasons" (if we can even call them that) were almost certainly completely irrational, but yes, they would have been enlightening.  If we know the symptoms of an illness, we can search for a cause, and if we can find a cause, we can look for treatment to prevent this type of thing from happening again.
 
2013-02-05 12:03:50 PM

Endive Wombat: I kinda wish he was still alive, that trial would have been VERY interesting to watch


Well, I'm not familiar with Alabama law, but most states with a death penalty statute require either 2 murders, or a murder with aggravating circumstances to be eligible for a capital case. Kidnapping a child may well be enough of an aggravating circumstance for that. He'd certainly be charged with first degree murder, and 1st degree/aggravated kidnapping. I'm not sure what would be especially interesting about the case, though. Nutjob does nutjob things. Blah blah 0bong0, liberals, whatever the fark he was on about. I mean, I can get that from the politics tab here.
 
2013-02-05 02:01:43 PM

mercator_psi: And by the way, why didn't the media let people know all of those mitigating details?


You mean other than seeing it on at least three or four local stories?  It has been pretty well publicised around here (about 90 minutes north).  I can't say why national sources don't pick it up.

nekom: Well, I'm not familiar with Alabama law, but most states with a death penalty statute require either 2 murders, or a murder with aggravating circumstances to be eligible for a capital case.


It would have been capital murder in Alabama.  Our law requires one of 18 or so additional circumstances to be present.  The first circumstance listed is Murder by the defendant during a kidnapping.
 
2013-02-05 02:17:10 PM

JustGetItRight:
It would have been capital murder in Alabama.  Our law requires one of 18 or so additional circumstances to be present.  The first circumstance listed is Murder by the defendant during a kidnapping.


Varies a lot between the states. I checked my own state, Pennsylvania has a similar list of 18 aggravating factors, none of which mention kidnapping specifically but The defendant committed a killing while in the perpetration of a felony. is one of them, and kidnapping is most certainly a felony, so it would possibly be a capital case here as well.
 
2013-02-05 10:13:21 PM

Felgraf: djh0101010: /I hope that we don't have a /followup thread 15 years from now when the kid he farked up does the same.
//designating targets as safe to attack, helps and protects nobody but the attackers. Seriously people, learn this.

So, again, are you suggesting we should arm a person whose *JOB* is to be around grabby children who do not have a very strong grasp on the concept of 'permanent consequences'?

That seems rather irresponsible.


Wow, that's so unintelligible as to be unanswerable.  Can you try again, using logic rather than jibberish, please?
 
2013-02-05 10:16:32 PM

Surool: Suspect dead... saved everyone a costly, dragged-out trial and prison expenses. The kid is as okay as he can be. I'm okay with this.


Yeah, exactly.  With decent shrinks, hopefully the kid can survive this, now that he's out alive.  Those are the same shrinks who failed to detect and fix the mentally defective waste of oxygen who may have farked this kid up for life, in addition to murdering his busdriver caretaker.

And yet 0bama will blame people who own AR-15s for this.
 
2013-02-05 11:36:27 PM

JustGetItRight: Aces and Eights: NutWrench: Aces and Eights: mercator_psi: Watching that local recap, giving so much airtime to the "pastors" and the "faithful" giving "prayer vigils" for a good outcome, and then that knobhead saying now "we need to have prayer celebrations" or whatever...

And the local media agree, unreservedly!

Holy fark, Alabama.

And you wonder why not only the rest of America but the rest of the world (which of course you don't care about since they're all heathens) think you're backwards and weak-minded.

Maybe it's because you are.

Please enlighten the rest of us regarding a better way for the community to handle this. So that if it ever happens to one of our own, we'll know the right way to do it?

Probably by doing something better than praying, which is only slightly less useful than, "wishing it were so."

Granted. And I agree with each of you that doing something tangible is more "useful" than something abstract. But maybe not every single person in that community had something they could do that was tangible. Maybe they don't have the money or resources to give away. Maybe the family already had enough casseroles and teddy bears. Maybe they don't actually know the family and don't want to intrude, but want to show them that they care. Maybe they're doing the best thing they know to do. To the extent that praying brings comfort to those who engage in the practice, so be it. Maybe it even brings a measure of comfort to the family of the victim.

I'm a do-er, not a pray-er myself. But I think it's simplistic to call an entire state "backwards and weak-minded" because they are showing compassion and concern for others.

We are all on this forum, discussing this incident. Many have expressed gratitude that the kid is safe and hope the kid will be ok. Is that weak minded because we are talking about it instead of "doing" something about it? Hoping/praying for a good result is simply an expression of kindness.

This angry part of my post is not aimed at you, but rather the person to which you responded.  I quoted you to highlight something you said.

The pastor that has been seen on local media a lot is being shown because his church is adjacent to the property.  As far as doing something, they put the media up in one of their church buildings - for free.  When the FBI asked about the space, they moved the FBI into that large building - for free, and moved the media into another church building - for free.  When they saw FBI needed tables and chairs the pastor and congregation pulled them from other parts of their facility.

They didn't give them food because in their own words 'others beat us to it'.  Apparently, other congregations brought so much some had to be turned away.

I don't care what your sprirtual beliefs are, but anyone insulting these honest, hard working, salt of the earth people is inexcusable.  They'll give you the shirt off their backs to help one in need.  If the rest of the world considers that backwards, then that's their problem.  I'll gladly stay backwoods the rest of my life.


Thanks for making my point better than I did. :-). I didn't know these details but it doesn't surprise me a bit.
 
2013-02-06 04:53:06 AM

djh0101010: Surool: Suspect dead... saved everyone a costly, dragged-out trial and prison expenses. The kid is as okay as he can be. I'm okay with this.

Yeah, exactly.  With decent shrinks, hopefully the kid can survive this, now that he's out alive.  Those are the same shrinks who failed to detect and fix the mentally defective waste of oxygen who may have farked this kid up for life, in addition to murdering his busdriver caretaker.

And yet 0bama will blame people who own AR-15s for this.


You make up quite a story in your head. I hope reality matches or you're gonna look pretty stupid.
 
2013-02-06 08:02:10 AM

djh0101010: Wow, that's so unintelligible as to be unanswerable. Can you try again, using logic rather than jibberish, please?


I suppose that was a bit of a run-on sentence.

Okay, I'll break it down. Other people seemed to get what I was going for, but, it was pretty rambly.

Small children tend to be grabby, and tend to not have a strong grasp on the concept of "permanent consequences" to their actions. Some do grasp this concept. A lot don't.

Any gun the bus driver could have been armed with would have to be holstered in a way that it would be *very very easy* to draw to be useful in this scenario, or, indeed, *most* scenarios (as I suspect, given the confined spaces, the driver is going to have the gun drawn on him before he is able to react).

For this reason, among a host of others, arming a bus driver would be insanely irresponsible.
 
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