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(Fox News)   Hey, you know now that Iraq's basically over, and Afghanistan has a hard date for winding down, it looks like after more than a decade at war, we might finally be able to relax and enjoy a "peace dividend" unless, oh son of a b--   (foxnews.com) divider line 34
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2013-02-04 02:19:51 PM
2 votes:

RanDomino: three-way ethnic slaughterfest.


im so hard right now
2013-02-04 01:18:19 PM
2 votes:
david_gaithersburg:
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The goal of the Tea Party is to reduce spending, and reduce government.    At least someone in this country has the balls to stand up to the establishment.  But you keep on supporting the Republicrat party.


6/10.  Needs more "sheeple".
2013-02-04 01:18:05 PM
2 votes:

GORDON: Obama 2016.


Nah, if they don't change sockpuppets every 4 to 8 years the dumbasses might get a clue.
2013-02-04 01:11:43 PM
2 votes:
No brown person left unshot.
2013-02-04 01:04:32 PM
2 votes:

Old_Chief_Scott: My last cruise on active duty was patrolling the Mexican west coast. What a joke. We tracked a  "mother ship" for days yet when we messaged for permission to board them, in the time it took to get a response the "mother ship" suddenly decided to move in to Mexican territorial waters where we could not now board them without the consent of the Mexican government. So sure enough, we hang around (finally showing ourselves since it was obvious that they now knew we were there) and watch the Mexican Navy gunboat conduct a search and report finding nothing.

Well, maybe a stray wad of cash, right?


Sounds like we need to start importing Somali pirates to the Mexican Coast.
2013-02-04 12:47:03 PM
2 votes:

Cythraul: You really thought the military industrial complex was going to sit on its hands, subby?


I'd rather have them trashing another country than building more jails and filling them with people who commit victimless "crimes".


Sorry South America, but it's you or us. Nothing personal.



i.imgur.com
2013-02-04 12:44:54 PM
2 votes:

nmemkha: We just HAVE to blow the money shooting at brown people.


In the War on Drugs, everything is black or white.
2013-02-04 08:47:10 PM
1 votes:
I find it interesting that the thread started about the "war on drugs" and how now, towards the end, I am wondering what drayno76 is smoking...
2013-02-04 08:05:56 PM
1 votes:

ristst: Fred Thompson, former senator and cast member of Law and Order:

"...with just a fraction of the money spent on the 'war on drugs', we could burn every poppy field on the planet.  But we won't, and you wanna know why?  Because there's got to be a 'war on something' for folks in Washington to get elected."


The Taliban cut Afghanistan's poppy production by >90% and look what it got them. You DON'T interfere with the CIA's income stream.
2013-02-04 06:19:02 PM
1 votes:
i.qkme.me
2013-02-04 04:16:05 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: passing regulation to make business play fair


Just a few more, then everything will be great!

whidbey: reducing the kind of military aggressiveness seen in the Bush years


This part's just a lie.

Tiber727: Legalize it, but also ban its import from other countries


The current ban on that is working so well.
2013-02-04 04:04:11 PM
1 votes:
*you're* goddamnitsomuch.
2013-02-04 02:46:58 PM
1 votes:
We've always been at war with Eastasia .....
2013-02-04 02:36:07 PM
1 votes:

WeenerGord: whidbey: WeenerGord: whidbey: WeenerGord: whidbey: Maybe you should Google the accomplishments the Obama administration has produced in the past 4 years and compare it to the utter failure of the past 8 years before that.

So many that you couldn't even name one of them

Living under a rock the past few years, or just really that stubborn?

Still cant even name one of them, resorts to strawman attacks instead.

You really can't be that dense.  It's like someone asking to prove that water exists.


3 chances, still cant name even one, another strawman. Yup, looks like the one thats full of shiat is YOU


It's really an easy Google,  WeenerGord.And these are only 21 of the top 50.


1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America's long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide "living wills" to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers' money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country's largest banks via "stress tests" of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their "toxic" assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell": Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi's forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator's position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain "enhanced" interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America's Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of "soft power") during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia "Pivot": In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran's nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran's petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran's banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
2013-02-04 02:25:06 PM
1 votes:
"I wake up every morning thinking how am going to get plain old Americans back to workin' them good jobs.  Shovel Ready Wars are keepin' the middle class workin'.
 Heck, I said I was going create 5 million "Green Collar" jobs and I will. Just not not at Solyndra, Turns out my Green Collar jobs refers to army fatiques.
I have one thing to say to George Bush. You didn't start this war. I did."


www.mygovcost.org
2013-02-04 02:24:38 PM
1 votes:

xria: One thing should be clear with drugs: if you make them illegal, you are basically guaranteeing large and ongoing profits for organized crime, so that should always be taken into account when deciding which to ban, meaning that only things that are seriously dangerous should be banned, which things like alcohol, mj, cocaine and so on should be regulated, taxed, and public awareness campaigns to mitigate the harms, etc.


You lost me there. Cocaine, while not as bad as meth or heroin, is too highly addictive to make it available to the masses.
2013-02-04 02:22:41 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Maybe you should Google the accomplishments the Obama administration has produced in the past 4 years and compare it to the utter failure of the past 8 years before that.



So many that you couldn't even name one of them
2013-02-04 02:06:25 PM
1 votes:

FTDA: whidbey: FTDA: mwfark: ALL the die-hard libs who blindly support Obama are just as foolish as all the die-hard conservatives who blindly supported GW Bush.

Thank God I'm a moderate.  I support reason and sanity.  Too bad neither of those ideals are represented in politics.

Because Obama and Bush's policies are/were exactly the same.

Maybe you should stay home next election.

Really?  I state that I'm neither left or right wing and would like to see people with some integrity and sense be elected to political office and your answer is that I shouldn't vote or have an opinion about our country?  Who pissed in your cornflakes today?


I really get sick of hearing the "both sides are bad" myth perpetrated.

Maybe you should Google the accomplishments the Obama administration has produced in the past 4 years and compare it to the utter failure of the past 8 years before that.
2013-02-04 02:06:01 PM
1 votes:
No offense brown people but this bus needs to keep rollin'.

sincerely,
The Military Industrial Complex
2013-02-04 02:04:09 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: FTDA: mwfark: ALL the die-hard libs who blindly support Obama are just as foolish as all the die-hard conservatives who blindly supported GW Bush.

Thank God I'm a moderate.  I support reason and sanity.  Too bad neither of those ideals are represented in politics.

Because Obama and Bush's policies are/were exactly the same.

Maybe you should stay home next election.


Really?  I state that I'm neither left or right wing and would like to see people with some integrity and sense be elected to political office and your answer is that I shouldn't vote or have an opinion about our country?  Who pissed in your cornflakes today?
2013-02-04 01:48:34 PM
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Let's allow drug money a path into the US military.  What could possibly go wrong?


www.examiner.com
2013-02-04 01:44:52 PM
1 votes:

m2313: Not saying any of that is anything new or just new ways of doing old things, but don't pretend Democrats and the American state apparatus in general isn't in the business of imperialism.
The Democrats are smarter and better at it is all.


I don't see it that way at all.   The right-wing in this country are the warmongers.  They controlled the government for 8 straight years, and people still keep electing them.

The Democratic Party has been wasting time, public money and energy basically cleaning up their foreign and domestic policy f*ckups.   You obviously want them to pull the plug on everything the Republicans did, and they can't.  Which is how the right-wing still controls this country.

We have a chance to keep them out of our government in 2016 by not re-electing Republicans to the House and refusing to entertain whatever Neo-Reaganite the GOP is undoubtedly attempting to run in 2016.

The whole "both sides are bad"  argument is bullshiat when it's clear the Democratic Party is interested in social progress, and cutting military expenditures.
2013-02-04 01:44:38 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-02-04 01:31:50 PM
1 votes:
we might finally be able to relax and enjoy a "peace dividend" unless

America decides we need another warmongering Republican in the White House in 2016.

Otherwise we are headed there.  And I know it makes you realpolitik types hopping mad.
2013-02-04 01:31:33 PM
1 votes:

MisterRonbo: I am not willing to lose a single American soldier or Marine's life just to stop people from getting high. You join the military to defend this country, not play Customs agent.


I like how you state "getting high", as if pot is the only product the cartels ever sell.  I'd say the Chinese experience with opium (when the Euros forced the import of it upon them) is a pretty good example of why a lot of drugs will never be legal.  America had its own issues with morphine abuse, which is just refined opium.  Heroin, of course a morphine replacement in the medical field, is also unlikely to ever be legalized for recreational use.  As such there are always going to be a certain level of drugs that remain controlled and people seek to obtain illegally.  So the cartels will always have a product to sell and they'll be down at the border shooting at US Customs Agents, pretending to be the Mexican military to move around in convoys, building submarines, and kinds of other violent and dumb shiat to move their product around.  As such dispatching elements of the US military to supplement the abilities of the Customs agents and secure our borders is a valid use of the military.

If the Zetas are shooting across the border, I'd rather have the military there to shoot back instead of sitting around in Fort Hood and going "Well we only signed up to fight enemies that have a flag...".

Treatment of the drug problem solely by domestic policy is not going to remove 100% of the product catalog of the cartels or their incentive to get goods into America.

/plus in the case of things like the nacro submarines it is stupid and redundant spending to buy the Customs Agents ASW assets when the Navy already has a whole bunch of P-3 Orions sitting around on the flight line
2013-02-04 01:27:10 PM
1 votes:

drayno76: TwowheelinTim: AirForceVet: I hated doing drug interdiction work personally while on active duty.

I'll second that.

/retired uscg.

Two in one day, I'm going to farking die!


Prepare to fall over. US Army Ranger. I hated Panama and Honduras/Guatemala in the summer... yuck.
2013-02-04 01:26:08 PM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: "
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence - economic, political, even spiritual - is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
"


Yep, we're farked.
2013-02-04 01:05:22 PM
1 votes:

Old_Chief_Scott: My last cruise on active duty was patrolling the Mexican west coast. What a joke. We tracked a  "mother ship" for days yet when we messaged for permission to board them, in the time it took to get a response the "mother ship" suddenly decided to move in to Mexican territorial waters where we could not now board them without the consent of the Mexican government. So sure enough, we hang around (finally showing ourselves since it was obvious that they now knew we were there) and watch the Mexican Navy gunboat conduct a search and report finding nothing.

Well, maybe a stray wad of cash, right?


No doubt.  I really hate it when I'm out of my jurisdiction and I see someone who might be doing something that is illegal within my own jurisdiction.  And then when I ask them if I can come take a look to see if they are doing something that isn't illegal where we are, but is illegal in my jurisdiction, they immediately move to a jurisdiction where I'm not allowed to follow and harass them.  I mean, seriously, it's like they think they have rights or that I have limitations on my power or something.  They're clearly crazy.  Or terrorists.  Or crazy terrorists.
2013-02-04 01:00:48 PM
1 votes:
Obama 2016.
2013-02-04 12:57:29 PM
1 votes:
While I'm all for legalization of some drugs, commitment of military assets to dealing with drugs isn't that bad.  Even with pot legal, we'll still have issues with things like heroin which I assume won't be legalized any time soon.  In additional to that, some cartels present border security problems.  Others have gotten in local politics and are destabilizing regimes in their home country (or started as a rebel movement that sells drugs to fund operations).

Just look at Mexico, where mayors who stand up to corruption and cartels die in a hail of gunfire.  I'm not exactly bothered by the thought of the Zetas coming into contact with a USMC platoon and finding out what it feels like to be at a firepower disadvantage.

Honestly 20 billion or so does not seem that excessive.  If the cost balloons out of control, then we need to think about scaling back funding, but it doesn't seem to be at that point.  If anything I'd rather see more attempts to build up Latin American forces along the lines of how we helped train and build the Egyptian Army.  The end result in Egypt was a professional military that refused orders to crush the protests and now is helping to check their new President and his power grabs.  Spend the time and money to build various armies down there into something like that seems to have value.
2013-02-04 12:51:36 PM
1 votes:

AirForceVet: I hated doing drug interdiction work personally while on active duty. The REAL problems stem from my fellow Americans excession consumption of illegal drugs.

/Legalizing pot would be a step in the right direction, IMHO


I'm sorry sir... Did I really just hear a US Military Vet take an alternative position to that ordered to the nation the Federal Government? 

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<passes out>
2013-02-04 12:50:56 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: We just HAVE to blow the money shooting at brown people.


There are plenty of brown people in Africa.  That's why we're going to 35 or more countries over there.



i.qkme.me
2013-02-04 12:47:09 PM
1 votes:
Why is Obama driving up the price of weed?
2013-02-04 12:43:43 PM
1 votes:
Admittedly... it would seem fun to run down a drug boat in an Apache...  or an A-10.  Just mess with them for a bit with the cannons before you lock on and blow them out of the water.
 
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