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2013-02-04 10:18:30 AM  
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2013-02-04 10:21:58 AM  

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I found links to Pro-gun nuts using weapons as anal dildos.
 
2013-02-04 10:24:18 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi


The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.

i212.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 10:28:08 AM  

SnarfVader: Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi

The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.


Well, it is a bit excessive to have a giant prop video game gun
 
2013-02-04 10:28:12 AM  
Ain't too bright, are they?
 
2013-02-04 10:28:28 AM  

SnarfVader: Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi

The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.

[i212.photobucket.com image 640x360]



On top of it, poor little fellow is a video game nut, not a gun nut.
 
2013-02-04 10:29:12 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: SnarfVader: Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi

The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.

Well, it is a bit excessive to have a giant prop video game gun


Unless, of course, you are visiting the studio where the video game is produced, and then it makes sense.
 
2013-02-04 10:31:22 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Well, it is a bit excessive to have a giant prop video game gun


It feeds into the narrative that people that don't want to get shot by random freepers in fact don't know what they are talking about.
 
2013-02-04 10:31:30 AM  

dittybopper: Dead for Tax Reasons: SnarfVader: Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi

The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.

Well, it is a bit excessive to have a giant prop video game gun

Unless, of course, you are visiting the studio where the video game is produced, and then it makes sense.


Then it would, but I wouldn't have known that
 
2013-02-04 10:36:15 AM  

dittybopper: Unless, of course, you are visiting the studio where the video game is produced, and then it makes sense.



Yes, but can he prove that he needs it?
 
2013-02-04 10:41:05 AM  
If the size of your gun has a positive correlation to the size of your penis, I'd like to invite this guy to my place for a romantic evening sometime soon.

/penis
 
2013-02-04 10:46:48 AM  

Cythraul: If the size of your gun has a positive correlation to the size of your penis, I'd like to invite this guy to my place for a romantic evening sometime soon.

/penis


If you really want take the correlation all the way though. Your romantic evening will be ruined 'cause his "gun" doesn't actually work.
 
2013-02-04 10:48:25 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Cythraul: If the size of your gun has a positive correlation to the size of your penis, I'd like to invite this guy to my place for a romantic evening sometime soon.

/penis

If you really want take the correlation all the way though. Your romantic evening will be ruined 'cause his "gun" doesn't actually work.


It would still be fun to look at.
 
2013-02-04 11:09:47 AM  
Anti-gun nuts rant against guy visiting the Bungie studios holding up a Halo prop

wat
 
2013-02-04 11:22:05 AM  

Cythraul: If the size of your gun has a positive correlation to the size of your penis, I'd like to invite this guy to my place for a romantic evening sometime soon.

/penis


that's fabulous.

Because People in power are Stupid: It feeds into the narrative that people that don't want to get shot by random freepers in fact don't know what they are talking about.


yeah. i'm generally in favor of a little more careful regulation of firearms than we have right now (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons). However I think a lot of the people in favor of gun control make horribly ignorant arguments. However their stupidity is always topped by the gun obsessed paranoid delusionals.

but in this case both sides really are bad for once.
 
2013-02-04 11:24:22 AM  
They can have my Magnetic Accelerator Cannon when they pry it from my cold dead hands.


/And they better look the fark out when I respawn.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:53 AM  

Kazan: yeah. i'm generally in favor of a little more careful regulation of firearms than we have right now (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons). However I think a lot of the people in favor of gun control make horribly ignorant arguments. However their stupidity is always topped by the gun obsessed paranoid delusionals.

but in this case both sides really are bad for once.


Really?  How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?
 
2013-02-04 11:51:50 AM  

nelsonal: Kazan: yeah. i'm generally in favor of a little more careful regulation of firearms than we have right now (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons). However I think a lot of the people in favor of gun control make horribly ignorant arguments. However their stupidity is always topped by the gun obsessed paranoid delusionals.

but in this case both sides really are bad for once.

Really?  How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?


I think he might mean having the Supreme Court (correctly) find that blanket gun bans are unconstitutional? That's the only thing I can come up with.
 
2013-02-04 11:56:28 AM  
Wait till they and the save the rainforest people get a hold of this picture:

cdn.digitaltrends.com
 
2013-02-04 11:57:36 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: dittybopper: Unless, of course, you are visiting the studio where the video game is produced, and then it makes sense.


Yes, but can he prove that he needs it?


All anyone "needs" are air, water, food, and shelter.  These can be provided within a prison.
 
2013-02-04 11:58:22 AM  
People that don't own weapons are ignorant about weapons. Thank you, Mr. Romero.

I don't see a lot of talk about how people that don't have the time or interest in learning anything about firearms can be made aware of when a weapon (or a replica of a weapon) is or is not safe. If I see a guy walking down the street carrying an AK-47 looking gun, I have no idea if he's lugging a prop around for a movie studio, if he's making a political statement, or if he's going to shoot up a local Starbucks. The odds of the latter might still be slim in that scenario, but since getting shot would really suck, I'll avoid being around him and his weapon.

So, don't biatch about folks being ignorant. Figure out ways to make it obvious when they're safe.
 
2013-02-04 11:58:27 AM  

nelsonal: Really? How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?


the ability to enforce much of the background check system, etc has been neutered through sticking rules in that make the ability to build a useful database essentially impossible.

tgambitg: I think he might mean having the Supreme Court (correctly) find that blanket gun bans are unconstitutional?


you, and the majority of supreme court justices prior to the current supreme court (along with reasonable people), have much different interpretations of the 2nd amendment.
 
2013-02-04 11:59:16 AM  

Kazan: nelsonal: Really? How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?

the ability to enforce much of the background check system, etc has been neutered through sticking rules in that make the ability to build a useful database essentially impossible.


note: just an example, not an exhaustive list.
 
2013-02-04 11:59:17 AM  
bungie smugglers? lol
 
2013-02-04 11:59:41 AM  

nelsonal: Kazan: yeah. i'm generally in favor of a little more careful regulation of firearms than we have right now (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons). However I think a lot of the people in favor of gun control make horribly ignorant arguments. However their stupidity is always topped by the gun obsessed paranoid delusionals.

but in this case both sides really are bad for once.

Really?  How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?


Erm, the National Firearms Act was in 1934.  The Gun Control Act of 1968 didn't amend the NFA significantly.  The 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act significantly modified GCA '68 for the better, and NFA '34 for the worse.
 
2013-02-04 12:01:03 PM  

nelsonal: Kazan: yeah. i'm generally in favor of a little more careful regulation of firearms than we have right now (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons). However I think a lot of the people in favor of gun control make horribly ignorant arguments. However their stupidity is always topped by the gun obsessed paranoid delusionals.

but in this case both sides really are bad for once.

Really?  How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?


Link
 
2013-02-04 12:05:44 PM  

hinten: SnarfVader: Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi

The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.

[i212.photobucket.com image 640x360]


On top of it, poor little fellow is a video game nut, not a gun nut.


According to some gun nuts, that makes him far more dangerous.
 
2013-02-04 12:06:47 PM  

Krieghund: Figure out ways to make it obvious when they're safe.


"Is gun, is not safe".

Muzzle pointed at the ground, in the air, or downrange at all times.
Booger-hook off the bang switch.

You follow those two simple rules, you'll be OK.
 
2013-02-04 12:07:31 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: According to some gun nuts, that makes him far more dangerous.


A tiny minority, and a dying one.  Gun Culture 2.0 is all about guns and gaming.
 
2013-02-04 12:09:47 PM  

UberDave: They can have my Magnetic Accelerator Cannon when they pry it from my cold dead hands.


/And they better look the fark out when I respawn.


I lol'd.

/you'd fire that thing.. In atmosphere??
 
2013-02-04 12:17:11 PM  
The real issue is that people are farking stupid.  The way he's holding that 'gun' he would have to have the proportionate strength of an ant.  That gun, if real, would weigh like 120lbs.

Not to mention the farking HALO pictures hung on the wall right behind him.  Any chance to get in some real good confirmation bias about tiny penised overcompensating gun nuts different people tho.
 
2013-02-04 12:21:59 PM  

lewismarktwo: The real issue is that people are farking stupid.  The way he's holding that 'gun' he would have to have the proportionate strength of an ant.  That gun, if real, would weigh like 120lbs.


This is a Lahti L-39 anti-tank rifle:

en.valka.cz

It weighs about 109 lbs.
 
2013-02-04 12:26:32 PM  

Kazan: (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons).


So how many "peener" jokes did you post about this picture! Your comment shows that you are among the clueless!

Less than 8% of felons who attempt to buy a gun are arrested and prosecuted for committing this particular felony, Something the "gun nuts" have issue with!  MORON
 
2013-02-04 12:31:50 PM  
Refreshing to see a heaping helping of liberal derp for a change.
 
2013-02-04 12:43:44 PM  
No one NEEDS a nonfunctional imitation firearm such as the one pictured. As such, prohibiting civilian possession of such items is entirely justified.
 
2013-02-04 12:57:10 PM  

PsyLord: Wait till they and the save the rainforest people get a hold of this picture:

[cdn.digitaltrends.com image 378x509]


I've got one on my Facebook that's similar from when EPIC brought a couple of replicas to E3.  Hope they don't freak out on me.
 
2013-02-04 01:01:23 PM  

PsyLord: Wait till they and the save the rainforest people get a hold of this picture:

[cdn.digitaltrends.com image 378x509]


Nice trigger finger control there, Cliffy
 
2013-02-04 01:06:44 PM  
He doesn't NEED a giant prop video game gun so why should we legally allow him to have one?  I don't care that he is a law-abiding citizen.  Only politicians and police should have firearms.  We can trust them.

As an aside, I find it hilarious that we're all labelled by the media as being either "pro-gun" or "anti-gun".
 
2013-02-04 01:07:00 PM  
No, no, no; that was his rifle, not his gun. One is for fighting, one is for fun.
 
2013-02-04 01:09:10 PM  

UberDave: They can have my Magnetic Accelerator Cannon when they pry it from my cold dead hands.


/And they better look the fark out when I respawn.


media.screened.com
 
2013-02-04 01:18:03 PM  
"As people commented, a certain theme caught on: "*over compensating* me thinks 0.o", "Laugh at my small dick now!", "One inch penis.", "Dude...I am SO sorry about your tiny penis!", " Bwahahahaha!!!!!! Of course he needs a weapon like that!!!! WTF!!! This proves so many theories to be true! Thank you :)))", etc."

Sounds like there were quite a few Farkers that commented on the pic.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-04 01:21:22 PM  

Azlefty: Kazan: (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons).

So how many "peener" jokes did you post about this picture! Your comment shows that you are among the clueless!

Less than 8% of felons who attempt to buy a gun are arrested and prosecuted for committing this particular felony, Something the "gun nuts" have issue with!  MORON


yeah, obviously someone who knows how the existing laws have been hamstringed is totally an uninformed moron.

*roll-eyes*
 
2013-02-04 01:21:35 PM  

UberDave: They can have my Magnetic Accelerator Cannon when they pry it from my cold dead hands.


/And they better look the fark out when I respawn.



Golf clap

Well played sir
 
2013-02-04 01:24:48 PM  
So, basically, some guy with a troll account on Facebook got 495 other Facebook users to do something stupid.

What happened the other 23 hours and 58 minutes that day on Facebook?
 
2013-02-04 01:30:27 PM  

Kazan: Azlefty: Kazan: (and don't give me that "enforce all the existing laws" - the firearms lobby neutered the existing ones, morons).

So how many "peener" jokes did you post about this picture! Your comment shows that you are among the clueless!

Less than 8% of felons who attempt to buy a gun are arrested and prosecuted for committing this particular felony, Something the "gun nuts" have issue with!  MORON

yeah, obviously someone who knows how the existing laws have been hamstringed is totally an uninformed moron.

*roll-eyes*


Actually, even *BEFORE* the laws were "neutered" in 1986 (at which point they'd only been in effect for 18 years), the ATF didn't really show any interest in going after actual felon-in-possession cases:  A congressional investigation found that they made up less than 10% of cases:

The rebuttal presented to the Subcommittee by the Bureau was utterly unconvincing. Richard Davis, speaking on behalf of the Treasury Department, asserted vaguely that the Bureau's priorities were aimed at prosecuting willful violators, particularly felons illegally in possession, and at confiscating only guns actually likely to be used in crime. He also asserted that the Bureau has recently made great strides toward achieving these priorities. No documentation was offered for either of these assertions. In hearings before BATF's Appropriations Subcommittee, however,  expert evidence was submitted establishing that approximately 75 percent of BATF gun prosecutions were aimed at ordinary citizens who had neither criminal intent nor knowledge, but were enticed by agents into unknowing technical violations. (In one case, in fact, the individual was being prosecuted for an act which the Bureau's acting director had stated was perfectly lawful.)In those hearings, moreover, BATF conceded that in fact (1) only 9.8 percent of their firearm arrests were brought on felons in illicit possession charges; (2) the average value of guns seized was $116, whereas BATF had claimed that "crime guns" were priced at less than half that figure; (3) in the months following the announcement of their new "priorities", the percentage of gun prosecutions aimed at felons had in fact fallen by a third, and the value of confiscated guns had risen.  All this indicates that the Bureau's vague claims, both of focus upon gun-using criminals and of recent reforms, are empty words.
 
2013-02-04 01:37:08 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, even *BEFORE* the laws were "neutered" in 1986 (at which point they'd only been in effect for 18 years), the ATF didn't really show any interest in going after actual felon-in-possession cases: A congressional investigation found that they made up less than 10% of cases:


well that is a separate issue. maybe the ATF needed a smack upside the head and told to do their farking job instead of worrying about pot heads.
 
2013-02-04 01:47:59 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, even *BEFORE* the laws were "neutered" in 1986 (at which point they'd only been in effect for 18 years), the ATF didn't really show any interest in going after actual felon-in-possession cases:  A congressional investigation found that they made up less than 10% of cases:


By harassing legal firearm owners, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives discouraged lawful firearm ownership. Therefore, fewer lawfully owned firearms were available for criminals to steal or otherwise acquire. Therefore the agency's actions were entirely justified.
 
2013-02-04 01:55:11 PM  

dittybopper: Ain't too bright, are they?


Prohibitionists never are.

/But hey, it'll work with guns!
//we swear!
///really!
 
2013-02-04 01:58:07 PM  

Kazan: dittybopper: Actually, even *BEFORE* the laws were "neutered" in 1986 (at which point they'd only been in effect for 18 years), the ATF didn't really show any interest in going after actual felon-in-possession cases: A congressional investigation found that they made up less than 10% of cases:

well that is a separate issue. maybe the ATF needed a smack upside the head and told to do their farking job instead of worrying about pot heads.


Yeah, like I want a competent ATF.

The point has been made within the gun community that if the ATF were to be abolished, and its duties handed over to a more respected and competent agency like the FBI, then we'd be much worse off.  We wouldn't have an incompetent whipping boy like the ATF (latest scandal:   They set up a sting operation in Milwaukee that didn't manage to actually arrest anyone of any importance, and they got one of their machine guns stolen)
 
2013-02-04 02:01:01 PM  

Need a Dispenser Here: PsyLord: Wait till they and the save the rainforest people get a hold of this picture:

[cdn.digitaltrends.com image 378x509]

Nice trigger finger control there, Cliffy


"Not having a trigger" is a pretty effective trigger control.
 
2013-02-04 02:01:58 PM  

SnarfVader: Dead for Tax Reasons: Apparently this article is blocked whilst using the county courthouse's wifi

The gist of the article is that some anti-gun Facebook page mistook the Halo prop gun in the picture below for a real rifle and posted the picture on their page as an example of gun owners' excess. Hilarity, unfortunately, did not ensue.

[i212.photobucket.com image 640x360]


Idiotic Conservatism combined with idiotic Liberalism...my God, they've crossed the streams!!!
 
2013-02-04 02:02:18 PM  
Wait....

People on Facebook are idiots? You don't say.
 
2013-02-04 02:08:01 PM  
I've been saying this for years! ALL Americans are dumbasses, not JUST Republicans!

/I kid because I care
 
2013-02-04 02:27:00 PM  
Man, that guy is a total maniac.

The founding fathers had NO IDEA of first person shooters or console games, so this could NOT be covered by the Second Amendment.

Why is he not in jail?
 
2013-02-04 02:27:04 PM  

dittybopper: The rebuttal presented to the Subcommittee by the Bureau was utterly unconvincing.


Quoting (but not citing) an NRO article in a Fark article relating to some fake science fictiony weapon.

Freepies!

Better watch out the gubbamint is watching....
 
2013-02-04 02:30:40 PM  

Carousel Beast: dittybopper: Ain't too bright, are they?

Prohibitionists never are.

/But hey, it'll work with guns!
//we swear!
///really!


Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.
 
2013-02-04 02:36:35 PM  

enry: Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.


Just like we reduced DUI deaths by registering cars and licensing people to drive them.

(Three strikes rule if you are paying attention)
 
2013-02-04 02:39:10 PM  

dittybopper: lewismarktwo: The real issue is that people are farking stupid.  The way he's holding that 'gun' he would have to have the proportionate strength of an ant.  That gun, if real, would weigh like 120lbs.

This is a Lahti L-39 anti-tank rifle:

[en.valka.cz image 600x398]

It weighs about 109 lbs.


Was that post meant to infer some sort of point or were you just sharing a picture?  Notice the guy in your pic is not a weak nerd.  He's also supporting the weight with his left arm unlike the weak nerd, which was my point. See the strain in his arm?

Did you think I didn't know big guns exist?  I think you might be a little gun thread punch drunk.

/Also, 109 is awfully close to 120, even though I was purposely exaggerating the probable imaginary weight.
 
2013-02-04 02:40:13 PM  
www.hollywoodreporter.com


VS gun nut who rants again wharhggbbllnlglll

//you really are an idiot subby.
 
2013-02-04 02:50:39 PM  

dittybopper: Kazan: dittybopper: Actually, even *BEFORE* the laws were "neutered" in 1986 (at which point they'd only been in effect for 18 years), the ATF didn't really show any interest in going after actual felon-in-possession cases: A congressional investigation found that they made up less than 10% of cases:

well that is a separate issue. maybe the ATF needed a smack upside the head and told to do their farking job instead of worrying about pot heads.

Yeah, like I want a competent ATF.

The point has been made within the gun community that if the ATF were to be abolished, and its duties handed over to a more respected and competent agency like the FBI, then we'd be much worse off.  We wouldn't have an incompetent whipping boy like the ATF (latest scandal:   They set up a sting operation in Milwaukee that didn't manage to actually arrest anyone of any importance, and they got one of their machine guns stolen)


well then maybe you should stop being a gun-obsessive first and start acting like an american first instead. this country isn't all rural farmlands where a nutjob with firearms he shouldn't have is only largely a danger to himself. more than half the population lives in cities.
 
2013-02-04 02:59:12 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: The rebuttal presented to the Subcommittee by the Bureau was utterly unconvincing.

Quoting (but not citing) an NRO article in a Fark article relating to some fake science fictiony weapon.

Freepies!

Better watch out the gubbamint is watching....


Actually, here is the entire subcommittee report:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/87senrpt.pdf

I wasn't quoting an NRO article.  I was quoting *CONGRESS*.
 
2013-02-04 02:59:46 PM  

Kazan: nelsonal: Really? How have the 1933 act, 1968 amendment, or 1986 bill been neutered in any way, shape or form?

the ability to enforce much of the background check system, etc has been neutered through sticking rules in that make the ability to build a useful database essentially impossible.

tgambitg: I think he might mean having the Supreme Court (correctly) find that blanket gun bans are unconstitutional?

you, and the majority of supreme court justices prior to the current supreme court (along with reasonable people), have much different interpretations of the 2nd amendment.


Well the current Supreme Court and the PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE AMENDMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE agree... so... what were you saying?
 
2013-02-04 03:00:25 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: enry: Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.

Just like we reduced DUI deaths by registering cars and licensing people to drive them.

(Three strikes rule if you are paying attention)


Both of those were in place before the big push to cut DUI deaths in the 80s and 90s. In any event, there was sufficient progress without an outright ban.
 
2013-02-04 03:01:09 PM  

Kazan: well then maybe you should stop being a gun-obsessive first and start acting like an american first instead. this country isn't all rural farmlands where a nutjob with firearms he shouldn't have is only largely a danger to himself. more than half the population lives in cities.


First, if you want to get us on board, don't insult us.

Secondly, I would ask what you think is reasonable?
 
2013-02-04 03:02:21 PM  

enry: Because People in power are Stupid: enry: Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.

Just like we reduced DUI deaths by registering cars and licensing people to drive them.

(Three strikes rule if you are paying attention)

Both of those were in place before the big push to cut DUI deaths in the 80s and 90s. In any event, there was sufficient progress without an outright ban.


Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.
 
2013-02-04 03:08:46 PM  

dittybopper: enry: Because People in power are Stupid: enry: Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.

Just like we reduced DUI deaths by registering cars and licensing people to drive them.

(Three strikes rule if you are paying attention)

Both of those were in place before the big push to cut DUI deaths in the 80s and 90s. In any event, there was sufficient progress without an outright ban.

Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.


So what method did they use to prevent these DUI deaths? My ex roomie for example- had his drivers license revoked. When he drove anyways (drove drunk even)... The cops pulled him over and threw him in jail. A profound violation of his rights to use his car and alcohol however he wanted...

Now how did they know to pull him over? You see there is this thing on the back of cars called a "License Plate". You see all cars that drive on public roads must be "Registered"...
 
2013-02-04 03:09:23 PM  

tgambitg: the PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE AMENDMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE agree... so... what were you saying?



mmhmm.. suuuuure. they totally didn't just crush the whiskey rebellion like an insect. they also totally intended for us to have a standing army too.

hint: know the intent before trying to cite the intenders, jackwagon.

dittybopper: First, if you want to get us on board, don't insult us.

Secondly, I would ask what you think is reasonable?


don't prance around with bad arguments like you just won and you won't get written off and thus insulted.

as for reasonable?

the background check database actually not being a joke. no sales of any type without a brandground check. quality control laws to ensure that firearms are of a basic amount of quality (no 'saturday night special' cheap shiat anymore .. which are garbage AND are used for most crimes). No high-volume magazines unless you have an 'enhanced permit' of some type (ie show that you are a responsible gun owner and can be trusted with such hardware). weapons which are designed primarily for offensive use against humans are reasonable to be subjected to restrictions like high-volume mags (ie AR15, etc). Basic firearm safety course required for all ownership. more harsh repercussions for committing firearms crimes - like that jackass the other day who pointed a weapon at another driver in a road rage incident. Jailed+lifetime loss of firearms ownership privileges: he's proven that he cannot be trusted.
 
2013-02-04 03:09:47 PM  

dittybopper: enry: Because People in power are Stupid: enry: Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.

Just like we reduced DUI deaths by registering cars and licensing people to drive them.

(Three strikes rule if you are paying attention)

Both of those were in place before the big push to cut DUI deaths in the 80s and 90s. In any event, there was sufficient progress without an outright ban.

Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.


And increased penalties on misuse, better detection of misuse, better treatment options, and preventing offenders from getting behind the wheel.  Oh, and putting restriction on when you can buy alcohol and holding vendors liable if they sell to someone who is obviously drunk.  Then again, I can't openly carry a bottle of scotch in public.

The NRA's response seems to be the equivalent of "have one for the road".
 
2013-02-04 03:50:37 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So what method did they use to prevent these DUI deaths? My ex roomie for example- had his drivers license revoked. When he drove anyways (drove drunk even)... The cops pulled him over and threw him in jail. A profound violation of his rights to use his car and alcohol however he wanted...


So let me get this straight:  After he was caught misusing alcohol, and performing an action that is very unsafe, they took away his rights via the courts, with due process and everything?

Those farkin' *BASTARDS*!

Now how did they know to pull him over? You see there is this thing on the back of cars called a "License Plate". You see all cars that drive on public roads must be "Registered"...

Yeah, about that:  It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license.   You just can't *DRIVE* it.

Also, that's not generally how the police catch repeat offenders.  They catch them because they repeatedly offend, not because licensing and registration somehow magically allows them to be caught.

Oh, and another thing, and this is actually US law:  Because requiring criminals to register their guns would be a violation of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you can't actually charge a felon with not registering guns.  You can charge them with "felon in possession", which is different, but the only reason for registration is to make it more difficult for people who aren't felons to own guns.
 
2013-02-04 04:00:22 PM  

dittybopper: Yeah, about that: It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license. You just can't *DRIVE* it.


some states don't let you register cars in your name without a valid license.
 
2013-02-04 04:01:07 PM  

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: So what method did they use to prevent these DUI deaths? My ex roomie for example- had his drivers license revoked. When he drove anyways (drove drunk even)... The cops pulled him over and threw him in jail. A profound violation of his rights to use his car and alcohol however he wanted...

So let me get this straight:  After he was caught misusing alcohol, and performing an action that is very unsafe, they took away his rights via the courts, with due process and everything?

Those farkin' *BASTARDS*!

Now how did they know to pull him over? You see there is this thing on the back of cars called a "License Plate". You see all cars that drive on public roads must be "Registered"...

Yeah, about that:  It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license.   You just can't *DRIVE* it.

Also, that's not generally how the police catch repeat offenders.  They catch them because they repeatedly offend, not because licensing and registration somehow magically allows them to be caught.

Oh, and another thing, and this is actually US law:  Because requiring criminals to register their guns would be a violation of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you can't actually charge a felon with not registering guns.  You can charge them with "felon in possession", which is different, but the only reason for registration is to make it more difficult for people who aren't felons to own guns.


Right, but we can't prevent every DUI (and criminals are just going to drink and drive anyway), so let's just get rid of DUI laws.
 
2013-02-04 04:07:23 PM  

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: So what method did they use to prevent these DUI deaths? My ex roomie for example- had his drivers license revoked. When he drove anyways (drove drunk even)... The cops pulled him over and threw him in jail. A profound violation of his rights to use his car and alcohol however he wanted...

So let me get this straight:  After he was caught misusing alcohol, and performing an action that is very unsafe, they took away his rights via the courts, with due process and everything?

Those farkin' *BASTARDS*!

Now how did they know to pull him over? You see there is this thing on the back of cars called a "License Plate". You see all cars that drive on public roads must be "Registered"...

Yeah, about that:  It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license.   You just can't *DRIVE* it.

Also, that's not generally how the police catch repeat offenders.  They catch them because they repeatedly offend, not because licensing and registration somehow magically allows them to be caught.

Oh, and another thing, and this is actually US law:  Because requiring criminals to register their guns would be a violation of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you can't actually charge a felon with not registering guns.  You can charge them with "felon in possession", which is different, but the only reason for registration is to make it more difficult for people who aren't felons to own guns.


Actually, you can't drive it on public roads, etc. Might vary by state, but pretty sure you don't need a license to drive a vehicle on private property.
 
2013-02-04 04:10:49 PM  

Kazan: dittybopper: First, if you want to get us on board, don't insult us.

Secondly, I would ask what you think is reasonable?

don't prance around with bad arguments like you just won and you won't get written off and thus insulted.

as for reasonable?

the background check database actually not being a joke. no sales of any type without a brandground check. quality control laws to ensure that firearms are of a basic amount of quality (no 'saturday night special' cheap shiat anymore .. which are garbage AND are used for most crimes). No high-volume magazines unless you have an 'enhanced permit' of some type (ie show that you are a responsible gun owner and can be trusted with such hardware). weapons which are designed primarily for offensive use against humans are reasonable to be subjected to restrictions like high-volume mags (ie AR15, etc). Basic firearm safety course required for all ownership. more harsh repercussions for committing firearms crimes - like that jackass the other day who pointed a weapon at another driver in a road rage incident. Jailed+lifetime loss of firearms ownership privileges: he's proven that he cannot be trusted.


OK.  So let's say we enact all that:

1. Universal background checks for all transfers.
2. No inexpensive handguns
3. Limited ban on standard capacity magazines.
4. Limited ban on guns designed to shoot people (both 3 and 4 subject to a permit of some kind for ownership)
5. Basic firearm safety course (I think this should be taught in school like drivers ed)
6. Stricter enforcement of current laws.

What happens then?   Are you going to come back in 10 or 15 years and ask for more?  Because that's been the pattern.  Where do we say "OK, we've done what we can, and we'll just have to live with some amount of firearms deaths".

In other words, if I'm being asked to give something up, what guarantees can you give me that I won't be asked to give up more in the future?   That's been the history of gun regulation just about everywhere, so much so that it's become a cliche.

I suspect you won't be able to answer this, at least not to my satisfaction, because there isn't a way you can give me a satisfactory answer:  There are *STILL* people in power who throw out the word "confiscation", for example, despite the two recent Supreme Court decisions that pretty much have placed that completely off-limits.
 
2013-02-04 04:12:01 PM  
"Liberal" is equivalent to "moron", after all...
 
2013-02-04 04:14:14 PM  

Kazan: dittybopper: Yeah, about that: It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license. You just can't *DRIVE* it.

some states don't let you register cars in your name without a valid license.


And some (most?) states do.  Your point?

So, if they take away your license, do those states also confiscate your automobile?

And please keep the difference between owning, registering, and operating a vehicle in mind. They are not the same thing, and laws threat each one different.
 
2013-02-04 05:25:27 PM  

enry: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: So what method did they use to prevent these DUI deaths? My ex roomie for example- had his drivers license revoked. When he drove anyways (drove drunk even)... The cops pulled him over and threw him in jail. A profound violation of his rights to use his car and alcohol however he wanted...

So let me get this straight:  After he was caught misusing alcohol, and performing an action that is very unsafe, they took away his rights via the courts, with due process and everything?

Those farkin' *BASTARDS*!

Now how did they know to pull him over? You see there is this thing on the back of cars called a "License Plate". You see all cars that drive on public roads must be "Registered"...

Yeah, about that:  It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license.   You just can't *DRIVE* it.

Also, that's not generally how the police catch repeat offenders.  They catch them because they repeatedly offend, not because licensing and registration somehow magically allows them to be caught.

Oh, and another thing, and this is actually US law:  Because requiring criminals to register their guns would be a violation of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, you can't actually charge a felon with not registering guns.  You can charge them with "felon in possession", which is different, but the only reason for registration is to make it more difficult for people who aren't felons to own guns.

Right, but we can't prevent every DUI (and criminals are just going to drink and drive anyway), so let's just get rid of DUI laws.


Owning a firearm is not inherently dangerous.  Operating a vehicle while under the influence of a substance that affects your decision-making abilities as well as reaction speed is inherently dangerous.

This is why we have DUI laws, as well as laws proscribing the use of firearms in population centers.  This is also why your anti-gun argument falls flat.  There is nothing inherently dangerous about firearms.  It's the whack-job that uses them in illegal ways who is dangerous.  Legal use of firearms (sporting, tomfoolery outside of populated areas, target shooting in contained ranges, etc.) is, again, only as dangerous as the person operating the firearm - same as with a car.
 
2013-02-04 05:26:17 PM  
Translation, once again, uninformed liberals yap the loudest when they have no g.d. clue about what they're talking about.
 
2013-02-04 05:32:21 PM  

dittybopper: They catch them because they repeatedly offend, not because licensing and registration somehow magically allows them to be caught.


That is willfully ignorant, probably to make some point -which you failed to make because you are being willfully ignorant.

Just in today's news
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ASUT_enU S4 91US491&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&gs_rn=2&gs_ri=serp&tok=u3P76StG_7r-dDugcv oDYg&ds=n&pq=license%20arrest&cp=1&gs_id=1x&xhr=t&q=%22license+plate%2 2+arrest&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=active&tbo=d&rlz=1C1ASUT_enUS491US491&t bm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22license+plate%22+arrest&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on .2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=3630fd610b6ce455&ion=1&biw=1920&bih=936

Arrests, Stolen  License Plate
license plate leads to  arrest of wanted felon...
In 2012, LSU police had 31arrests involving alicense plate reader th

License Plate Check Results in Two  Arrests on Multiple Felonies


Yeah, arrests are "magic".
 
2013-02-04 05:36:17 PM  

OnlyM3: Translation, once again, uninformed liberals yap the loudest when they have no g.d. clue about what they're talking about.


Why does it seem this way to idiotic people?

You are the person that everyone had to wait for in class because of everything you thought you knew but everyone was just being nice to you.
 
2013-02-04 05:39:14 PM  

Kuroshin: Owning a firearm is not inherently dangerous.


To prove that -you'd have to undergo some firearm license pre-screening. Otherwise it's an assumption that you are making and wish everyone else to make as well.

Can we agree that certain people should not have firearms?

media.salon.com

Or is everyone innocent until proven mass-murderer in Freeperville?
 
2013-02-04 05:50:06 PM  
Im a gun nut but currant laws need to be fixed. On a state level. I had 2 guns stolen by a "gun smith". Pawned them 2 days after dropping them off to him for repair. Ended up he was a felon and had a warrant for no show in court on drug charges. He got nothing for the gun theft. he even ran on those charges.  Warrant issued for again being a no show in court. served (like 3 days) for the drug driving without a license charge. Nothing for the gun theft. Thats where there is a problem. Oh ya and here in Utah we have a Database for stolen goods that pawn shops are so-pose to check. The police did everything but submit to the data base. Lucky for me he told an officer where they when. That was after 4 months of wasting there time. Fix that first. In my case, In my opinion he should received 1 year per gun. Non concurrent.
 
2013-02-04 06:28:08 PM  

Silly_Sot: "Liberal" is equivalent to "moron", after all...


Wow. With weak trolling like that I can see why you'd wait until the thread clears out to stick your face in the fray.
 
2013-02-04 06:45:10 PM  

Kazan: dittybopper: Yeah, about that: It's not illegal to own or register a car if you don't have a drivers license. You just can't *DRIVE* it.

some states don't let you register cars in your name without a valid license.


How do those states comply with the ADA?

If a person is disabled but wants to own a vehicle and hire a driver to drive him around?
 
2013-02-04 06:47:57 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: How do those states comply with the ADA?

If a person is disabled but wants to own a vehicle and hire a driver to drive him around?


i don't know.
 
2013-02-04 07:06:22 PM  

Cythraul: If the size of your gun has a positive correlation to the size of your penis, I'd like to invite this guy to my place for a romantic evening sometime soon.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you really want take the correlation all the way though. Your romantic evening will be ruined 'cause his "gun" doesn't actually work

.

The rifle's form is fine, it is just unable to fire.  So depending on what you're in to, that may actually be the best out-come...


kombi: Im a gun nut but currant laws need to be fixed. On a state level. I had 2 guns stolen by a "gun smith". Pawned them 2 days after dropping them off to him for repair. Ended up he was a felon and had a warrant for no show in court on drug charges. He got nothing for the gun theft. he even ran on those charges.  Warrant issued for again being a no show in court. served (like 3 days) for the drug driving without a license charge. Nothing for the gun theft. Thats where there is a problem. Oh ya and here in Utah we have a Database for stolen goods that pawn shops are so-pose to check. The police did everything but submit to the data base. Lucky for me he told an officer where they when. That was after 4 months of wasting there time. Fix that first. In my case, In my opinion he should received 1 year per gun. Non concurrent.


I didn't know there were laws against currant, but I imagine they fall under the USDA/FDA jurisdication.
Anyway, In most states, theft of a firearm is a felony.  Being a felon in possession of a gun is a federal felony as well as a felony.
BTW, according to Utah Title 76, Chapter 6, section 412, 76-6-412, 1ii - theft of a firearm is a felony. So it looks like your gun laws are just fine, it's an issue with the prosecutor being asleep on the jorb.

/My state has about 260 pages of gun laws... so I'm in no hurry for people to pass more around here.
 
2013-02-04 07:32:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:

Can we agree that certain people should not have firearms?

[media.salon.com image 660x440]

Or is everyone innocent until proven mass-murderer in Freeperville?


Innocent until proven guilt is sort of the American way. If you wanted it the other way around, you should have gotten on the ship with the rest of the British loyalists.

Fact is there are bad people out there and no question that some of us like to treat them like second rate citizens or arrest them for pre-crimes.

...but the question is how do you want to be treated?

Do you want to be presumed a criminal, having done nothing wrong?
Do you want to have to bargain for your rights from some bureaucrat?
Do you want to be looked at like a potential madman every time you buy any tool or chemical, or even a piece of media?

Because we can easily create this kind of world... But I don't think anyone would enjoy living in it.

/If the overwhelming fear of attack has us locking ourselves up preemptively then we probably won't get freedom or safety as a result.
 
2013-02-04 07:48:42 PM  
lol that blk women said he has a tiny penis and smaller balls...i bet she voted for obama purely based on race and if you told her that you voted for mitt purely based on race YOU'RE the racist...

'merika!
 
2013-02-04 07:51:09 PM  

Kuroshin: There is nothing inherently dangerous about firearms


There's nothing inherently dangerous about most any inanimate object. I could set a 100 megaton fusion bomb in my living room and the odds are pretty damn good it would be "inherently" safe for as long as any of my neighbors need to care about being alive.

It's the intent and the capacity for harm of the person holding the object that matters. Which is why we think there should be some checks to make sure deranged people don't get hold of certain dangerous objects and why we think small minor convenience on your part is worth it. You know. Like we check to make sure dangerous people don't get hold of automobiles and drive them around with the rest of us.

But you keep pretending you have a point. Because as far as I can tell, pretending is all the gun nuts can really do at this point. When, as a collective, you choose to take the most insanely extreme position you can right off the bat with the basic argument of "because I say so" you really don't have much to do but pretend.
 
2013-02-04 07:59:06 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Which is why we think there should be some checks to make sure deranged people don't get hold of certain dangerous objects and why we think small minor convenience on your part is worth it. You know. Like we check to make sure dangerous people don't get hold of automobiles and drive them around with the rest of us.


Yeah, we make sure dangerous people don't get a hold of our cars by leaving them outside all night secured by nothing more than a pane of glass.  Sure, they kill more people than guns, but they weren't designed for that, so the nonexistent security the average car has isn't in question.
 
2013-02-04 08:19:45 PM  
There has to be either a willfull suspension of common sense to actually buy into the slippery-slope argument regarding firearms regulation. The last time I checked there are something like 250 million legal firearms owned by American citizens, the per capita rate was like in the high 80's per 100 people owning a firearm?  So I'm supposed to buy into the theory espoused by the same group of people who claim the government isn't competent enough to run anything,that our Federal gov't can organize a massive effort to come take all your guns?

Both sides seem to forget that the majority of the population falls somewhere in the middle of this argument and most of us are just tired of it.  I do own more than one gun, not worried anyone is going to take them.


/Ship has sailed
//Toothpaste is out of the tube
///Can't un-ring that bell
////Guns are here, the gub'ment isn't coming to take them STFU and relax
 
2013-02-04 09:13:25 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.


Alcoholics abuse the BAC "loophole". They drink less so they don't get an illegal BAC and they drive more carefully. It's totally unfair.

dusty15893: There has to be either a willfull suspension of common sense to actually buy into the slippery-slope argument regarding firearms regulation


OR? Or what?
 
x23
2013-02-04 10:41:45 PM  

Krieghund: People that don't own weapons are ignorant about weapons. Thank you, Mr. Romero.



what about the quoted "Marine"... surely he must be knowledgeable! he said he has even used one before!

"Nice.... Military grade High Caliber Sniper rifle... ( I used one similar to this one in the Marine Corps. )"

i'm sort of concerned a Marine can't tell the difference between a legit M82 and what is clearly a toy / prop.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:58 PM  
we're not stopping dumbassery by keepng pot illegal.
 
2013-02-05 07:11:42 AM  

dittybopper: enry: Because People in power are Stupid: enry: Just like we reduced DUI deaths by banning alcohol and cars.

Just like we reduced DUI deaths by registering cars and licensing people to drive them.

(Three strikes rule if you are paying attention)

Both of those were in place before the big push to cut DUI deaths in the 80s and 90s. In any event, there was sufficient progress without an outright ban.

Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.


For one I don't think you can equivocate the need for gun control and DUI regulation. Secondly DUI deaths were cut down by many factors, better lit roads with wider lanes, cars that were lighter handled better and with more safety features, and creating more public awareness; all have a strong correlation to a reduction in accidents and fatalities.

Increasing the severity of punishment tends to be a poor solution for eliciting a desired outcome. While I'm for gun more gun regulation, I'm decidedly against throwing more people in jail. Something yet to be suggested is significantly increasing the price of gun ownership. Throw a huge tax on guns and ammunition, or substantial license fees to own a high capacity weapon and their prevalence will decrease.
 
2013-02-05 07:18:08 AM  

Kazan: Benjimin_Dover: How do those states comply with the ADA?

If a person is disabled but wants to own a vehicle and hire a driver to drive him around?

i don't know.


www.kazak.com 

I like that. 'I Don't Know.' That's nice. 'dittybopper, will I win this debate?' Gee, Kazan, I don't know! You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to leave your words right up here for all of Fark to enjoy, giving you full credit of course, Kazan.
 
2013-02-05 07:34:11 AM  
MayoSlather: Something yet to be suggested is significantly increasing the price of gun ownership.

Why do you hate black people?

Gun Control and Economic Discrimination:  The Melting Point Case-In-Point

Besides which, that would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional:  Any tax designed specifically to reduce the number of people who can exercise an enumerated, core Constitutional right would be unconstitutional on its face.
 
2013-02-05 07:50:25 AM  

Mrbogey: dittybopper: Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.

Alcoholics abuse the BAC "loophole". They drink less so they don't get an illegal BAC and they drive more carefully. It's totally unfair.


Don't laugh:  That's exactly what MADD has argued, once they got a standard 0.10 BAC enacted across the states.  They didn't disband because their stated goal was accomplished, they went for 0.08 BAC, which is now the standard in the US.  And since they've gotten that, did they just disband?

Of course not.  Now they push for other restrictions.  Some are sensible, like mandatory ignition interlocks for people convicted of drunk driving, others are just punitive, like additional taxes on the beer and wine industry, up to the "per drink" standard that distilleries must pay to close the "fermented only" loophole.
 
2013-02-05 08:14:32 AM  

dittybopper: Mrbogey: dittybopper: Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.

Alcoholics abuse the BAC "loophole". They drink less so they don't get an illegal BAC and they drive more carefully. It's totally unfair.

Don't laugh:  That's exactly what MADD has argued, once they got a standard 0.10 BAC enacted across the states.  They didn't disband because their stated goal was accomplished, they went for 0.08 BAC, which is now the standard in the US.  And since they've gotten that, did they just disband?

Of course not.  Now they push for other restrictions.  Some are sensible, like mandatory ignition interlocks for people convicted of drunk driving, others are just punitive, like additional taxes on the beer and wine industry, up to the "per drink" standard that distilleries must pay to close the "fermented only" loophole.


Therefore there should be no laws against driving drunk, right? There are already laws against crashing into property or running someone over, so if a drunk runs someone over, they should just get vehicular manslaughter.

The DUI laws, after all, didn't stop the DUI and the alcohol didn't kill anybody, the driver did, therefore, DUI laws serve only to criminalize responsible drinking and, therefore, none should exist.

Right?
 
2013-02-05 08:35:47 AM  

way south: Innocent until proven guilt is sort of the American way. If you wanted it the other way around, you should have gotten on the ship with the rest of the British loyalists.

Fact is there are bad people out there and no question that some of us like to treat them like second rate citizens or arrest them for pre-crimes.

...but the question is how do you want to be treated?

Do you want to be presumed a criminal, having done nothing wrong?
Do you want to have to bargain for your rights from some bureaucrat?
Do you want to be looked at like a potential madman every time you buy any tool or chemical, or even a piece of media?

Because we can easily create this kind of world... But I don't think anyone would enjoy living in it.

/If the overwhelming fear of attack has us locking ourselves up preemptively then we probably won't get freedom or safety as a result.


I've long held the conviction that I should be allowed to own firearms, grenades or nuclear weapons and that the problem isn't with me but with YOU. I know that I will never misuse my arsenal but the potential that YOU will goes up every time somebody else gets possession.


As far as British Loyalty goes -I think it's a little late for that.

Because we can easily create this kind of world... But I don't think anyone would enjoy living in it.

What is this world that you speak of? It seems a lot like the world that freepers are already living in.
 
2013-02-05 08:45:01 AM  

dittybopper: lewismarktwo: The real issue is that people are farking stupid.  The way he's holding that 'gun' he would have to have the proportionate strength of an ant.  That gun, if real, would weigh like 120lbs.

This is a Lahti L-39 anti-tank rifle:

[en.valka.cz image 600x398]

It weighs about 109 lbs.


Good lord, dude. Pretty sure it's not quite THAT bad, but I can't help but imagine a fark tonne of shattered clavicles from that thing.
 
2013-02-05 09:17:32 AM  

dittybopper: I like that. 'I Don't Know.' That's nice. 'dittybopper, will I win this debate?' Gee, Kazan, I don't know! You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to leave your words right up here for all of Fark to enjoy, giving you full credit of course, Kazan.


admitting you don't know the answer to the question is not a concession of any debate. especially since i just answered that i didn't know how states that require valid drivers licenses for registration of a motor vehicle handle disabled persons who cannot legally drive.

that's not even RELEVANT to the discussion I was having with you.

you do not pass Go!, you do not collect $200. You haven't won a damn thing, and you still haven't even responded to my reply to your asking me what i think better gun control is. It's almost as if you couldn't turn it into an outrage factory since it wasn't banning anything, just restricting and regulating.

You need to learn how to have a discussion without prematurely declaring victory.

GOOD DAY, SIR!
 
2013-02-05 09:55:47 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: dittybopper: Mrbogey: dittybopper: Actually, the way DUI deaths were cut down was by the stricter punishment of the *MISUSE* of alcohol and motor vehicles, not by their mere possession.

Alcoholics abuse the BAC "loophole". They drink less so they don't get an illegal BAC and they drive more carefully. It's totally unfair.

Don't laugh:  That's exactly what MADD has argued, once they got a standard 0.10 BAC enacted across the states.  They didn't disband because their stated goal was accomplished, they went for 0.08 BAC, which is now the standard in the US.  And since they've gotten that, did they just disband?

Of course not.  Now they push for other restrictions.  Some are sensible, like mandatory ignition interlocks for people convicted of drunk driving, others are just punitive, like additional taxes on the beer and wine industry, up to the "per drink" standard that distilleries must pay to close the "fermented only" loophole.

Therefore there should be no laws against driving drunk, right? There are already laws against crashing into property or running someone over, so if a drunk runs someone over, they should just get vehicular manslaughter.

The DUI laws, after all, didn't stop the DUI and the alcohol didn't kill anybody, the driver did, therefore, DUI laws serve only to criminalize responsible drinking and, therefore, none should exist.

Right?


Point is, though, where do you draw the line?

We already *HAVE* a large number of DUI laws.  It's not like there aren't any out there, or that I'm calling for *FEWER* laws.  I'm calling for NO MORE NEW LAWS (both in the case of guns and in the case of DUI laws)

/Rarely drink, and never drive when I do.
 
2013-02-05 10:24:28 AM  

Kazan: dittybopper: I like that. 'I Don't Know.' That's nice. 'dittybopper, will I win this debate?' Gee, Kazan, I don't know! You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to leave your words right up here for all of Fark to enjoy, giving you full credit of course, Kazan.

admitting you don't know the answer to the question is not a concession of any debate. especially since i just answered that i didn't know how states that require valid drivers licenses for registration of a motor vehicle handle disabled persons who cannot legally drive.

that's not even RELEVANT to the discussion I was having with you.

you do not pass Go!, you do not collect $200. You haven't won a damn thing, and you still haven't even responded to my reply to your asking me what i think better gun control is. It's almost as if you couldn't turn it into an outrage factory since it wasn't banning anything, just restricting and regulating.

You need to learn how to have a discussion without prematurely declaring victory.

GOOD DAY, SIR!


timothywlong.com
 
2013-02-05 10:29:10 AM  

dittybopper: Kazan: dittybopper: I like that. 'I Don't Know.' That's nice. 'dittybopper, will I win this debate?' Gee, Kazan, I don't know! You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to leave your words right up here for all of Fark to enjoy, giving you full credit of course, Kazan.

admitting you don't know the answer to the question is not a concession of any debate. especially since i just answered that i didn't know how states that require valid drivers licenses for registration of a motor vehicle handle disabled persons who cannot legally drive.

that's not even RELEVANT to the discussion I was having with you.

you do not pass Go!, you do not collect $200. You haven't won a damn thing, and you still haven't even responded to my reply to your asking me what i think better gun control is. It's almost as if you couldn't turn it into an outrage factory since it wasn't banning anything, just restricting and regulating.

You need to learn how to have a discussion without prematurely declaring victory.

GOOD DAY, SIR!

[timothywlong.com image 300x367]


it's hard to tell the difference between stupidity and sarcasm when in text.
 
2013-02-05 10:38:29 AM  

Kazan: it's hard to tell the difference between stupidity and sarcasm when in text.


This is true.  However, it's the next day, and I'm in a happy place, we hashed out all the issues already, and generally I don't resort to movie quotes unless I'm trying to be funny, but you may not have grasped all of that.
 
2013-02-05 11:02:01 AM  

dittybopper: Kazan: it's hard to tell the difference between stupidity and sarcasm when in text.

This is true.  However, it's the next day, and I'm in a happy place, we hashed out all the issues already, and generally I don't resort to movie quotes unless I'm trying to be funny, but you may not have grasped all of that.


i didn't recognize the first one was a movie quote,
 
2013-02-05 11:17:43 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: way south: Innocent until proven guilt is sort of the American way. If you wanted it the other way around, you should have gotten on the ship with the rest of the British loyalists.

Fact is there are bad people out there and no question that some of us like to treat them like second rate citizens or arrest them for pre-crimes.

...but the question is how do you want to be treated?

Do you want to be presumed a criminal, having done nothing wrong?
Do you want to have to bargain for your rights from some bureaucrat?
Do you want to be looked at like a potential madman every time you buy any tool or chemical, or even a piece of media?

Because we can easily create this kind of world... But I don't think anyone would enjoy living in it.

/If the overwhelming fear of attack has us locking ourselves up preemptively then we probably won't get freedom or safety as a result.

I've long held the conviction that I should be allowed to own firearms, grenades or nuclear weapons and that the problem isn't with me but with YOU. I know that I will never misuse my arsenal but the potential that YOU will goes up every time somebody else gets possession.


As far as British Loyalty goes -I think it's a little late for that.

Because we can easily create this kind of world... But I don't think anyone would enjoy living in it.

What is this world that you speak of? It seems a lot like the world that freepers are already living in.


The government, the arbitrator of law, only recognizes "Me" as itself. Which means you are the "you" that will suffer the brunt of regulation when you ask for someone else to be legislated against. You can argue that we are all equal but not that you deserve special treatment.

/The freepers (who want less government involvement and less regulation) aren't the ones asking for the loving touch of a boot on their neck.
/the party currently arguing that we should trade another liberty for the promise of safety is the majority democrats.
//and if you want to live under the queens law, its never too late. Flights leave daily.
 
2013-02-05 11:45:52 AM  

way south: /The freepers (who want less government involvement and less regulation) aren't the ones asking for the loving touch of a boot on their neck.
/the party currently arguing that we should trade another liberty for the promise of safety is the majority democrats.
//and if you want to live under the queens law, its never too late. Flights leave daily.


That's so funny freepy. The "majority democrats" have said nothing about a boot on your neck. Freepers like yourself suddenly complain about it when there is a democrat in office and say NOTHING about it while Bush is putting people in "free speech zones".

You are living proof that YOU shouldn't own or possess a weapon. Your childish thoughts represent a stupid, backwoods type of thinking reminiscent of moonshiners raving about "revenuers". If you haven't committed a felony yet, I believe that it is only a matter of time. YOU ARE THE REASON THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOU TO OWN A WEAPON. If you want to "keep yur gunz" stay on the right side of the law. It's odd that you want to make weapons available to people who don't

Of course as pointed out by many others. It's the person not the weapon. You can possibly do more damage by pulling out the brick that holds up your ex-wife's trailer -as you can with your pop's double barreled shotgun. But let's just admit that the only reason that anyone is going to take your cheap ass shiat SKS with a broken safety that goes off when you drop it is because you aren't on the right side of the law. (Even though said SKS probably shouldn't be used until it's fixed.)

Oh yeah, watch out for black helicopters, they are more scary than black people.
 
2013-02-05 03:08:45 PM  

dittybopper: We already *HAVE* a large number of DUI laws. It's not like there aren't any out there, or that I'm calling for *FEWER* laws. I'm calling for NO MORE NEW LAWS (both in the case of guns and in the case of DUI laws)


The problem is that you're not just "not calling for new laws", you're reflexively shooting down every proposal without consideration. As is, apparently, the current standard for gun nut behavior on the issue.

I should hope you can at least recognize that difference.
 
2013-02-05 04:45:06 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: way south: /The freepers (who want less government involvement and less regulation) aren't the ones asking for the loving touch of a boot on their neck.
/the party currently arguing that we should trade another liberty for the promise of safety is the majority democrats.
//and if you want to live under the queens law, its never too late. Flights leave daily.

That's so funny freepy. The "majority democrats" have said nothing about a boot on your neck. Freepers like yourself suddenly complain about it when there is a democrat in office and say NOTHING about it while Bush is putting people in "free speech zones".

You are living proof that YOU shouldn't own or possess a weapon. Your childish thoughts represent a stupid, backwoods type of thinking reminiscent of moonshiners raving about "revenuers". If you haven't committed a felony yet, I believe that it is only a matter of time. YOU ARE THE REASON THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOU TO OWN A WEAPON. If you want to "keep yur gunz" stay on the right side of the law. It's odd that you want to make weapons available to people who don't

Of course as pointed out by many others. It's the person not the weapon. You can possibly do more damage by pulling out the brick that holds up your ex-wife's trailer -as you can with your pop's double barreled shotgun. But let's just admit that the only reason that anyone is going to take your cheap ass shiat SKS with a broken safety that goes off when you drop it is because you aren't on the right side of the law. (Even though said SKS probably shouldn't be used until it's fixed.)

Oh yeah, watch out for black helicopters, they are more scary than black people.


Bullshiat.  Black helicopters kill far fewer people.  Also, SKS rifles were only cheap in a monetary sense.  Their build quality certainly exceeds that of the average stamped AK or AK knockoff.

Surprised this thread is still sorta active.  Gun control is DOA.  The authoritarian assholes can foam at the mouth all they like, but they can join the regressive anti-choice, anit-gay, and freedom of speech limiting losers in the back room cowering like a bunch of smokers.
 
2013-02-05 05:37:43 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: Also, SKS rifles were only cheap in a monetary sense.


That is SOOOO not true. Circa 1990 my friend and I went shooting  in the desert. He brought his Chinese made SKS and I brought a Ruger Mini 14. That thing wasn't supposed to be automatic or anything of the like but every so often -you would squeeze the trigger and it would fire off 2 or more rounds.

But hey, it fits your narrative of "People who are against guns don't know about them".

The SKS IMHO is the worst piece of shiat but my tastes in rifles run counter to the freepers here. (For the record, the Mini-14 leaves a lot to be desired).
 
2013-02-05 06:56:12 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: That is SOOOO not true. Circa 1990 my friend and I went shooting in the desert. He brought his Chinese made SKS and I brought a Ruger Mini 14. That thing wasn't supposed to be automatic or anything of the like but every so often -you would squeeze the trigger and it would fire off 2 or more rounds.


Cheap ammo that goes off from light strikes and a dirty firing pin that jams in the forward position.
It could happen to anybody (that doesn't clean their rifle and buys crappy ammo).
 
2013-02-05 08:01:27 PM  

Kazan: dittybopper: Kazan: it's hard to tell the difference between stupidity and sarcasm when in text.

This is true.  However, it's the next day, and I'm in a happy place, we hashed out all the issues already, and generally I don't resort to movie quotes unless I'm trying to be funny, but you may not have grasped all of that.

i didn't recognize the first one was a movie quote,


It's also been a sad time at work for whenever I make a funny remark that references awesome movies like Airplane, Blazing Saddles, or Fast Tmes at Ridgemont High I get the  blank stare from all the people that need to get off my lawn.  The saddest part is that I get it when I do it with quotes from movies that I consider not that old like Dumb and Dumber or Austin Powers.

I also get the blank stare from Eileen Dover because she is from the other end of the spectrum and is 61.  But she has no excuse except that her head has been up her ass most of her life.  I make jokes and when she is the only one not laughing, she gets pissed at me.

Example:  Bill Clinton came to town a couple of months ago.  We were in my truck when the commercial came on about it and she asked me if I thought it would be cool to go see him.  I told her no.  Not because I don't like Bubba but because I don't think it is of value to go see somebody and all I get to see is this little dot of a human waaaaaaaaay down there on some stage.  Even if it was somebody I absolutely loved I wouldn't do it.  Anyways, the news said the line was all the way up several blocks just to get in and I don't own a blue dress to be able to buck the line.  What did I get?....
cache.io9.com
 
2013-02-05 10:21:17 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Cheap ammo that goes off from light strikes and a dirty firing pin that jams in the forward position.
It could happen to anybody (that doesn't clean their rifle and buys crappy ammo).


Or the guy who owned the gun before him tried to modify it by filing down the reciever, or the gun was just poorly made. But you know because you were there -right?
 
2013-02-06 12:36:56 AM  

tbhouston: lol that blk women said he has a tiny penis and smaller balls...i bet she voted for obama purely based on race and if you told her that you voted for mitt purely based on race YOU'RE the racist...

'merika!



Can't they both be racist dipshiats?
 
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