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(Guardian)   The current hiring trend is showing a low wage bias   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 153
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2013-02-04 11:03:23 AM  
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Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats
 
2013-02-04 11:18:26 AM  

sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats


And girls, a little cleavage never hurts.
 
2013-02-04 11:55:31 AM  
Obvious tag is busy asking for handouts
 
2013-02-04 12:02:12 PM  
When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)
 
2013-02-04 12:15:51 PM  

sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats


cdn2-b.examiner.com

I'm guessing the intent of the image was a rehash of the old depression era pictures.
 
2013-02-04 12:53:02 PM  

sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats


The only jobs where a hat in an interview is a good idea is construction and as a cowboy.
 
2013-02-04 12:55:51 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)


Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.
 
2013-02-04 12:56:55 PM  
Has the Obvious tag died?


/Or is this story a repeat from 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, etc.?
 
2013-02-04 12:57:50 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats

The only jobs where a hat in an interview is a good idea is construction and as a cowboy.


Rabbi. (Only we don't call it a hat.)
 
2013-02-04 01:03:13 PM  

eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.


I've seen it (here in MA). More than once but probably from the same person. Other times people don't update their cover letter or resume for THIS job -addressing me as from some other corporation or typing the job title in as "Starbucks Barrista". If I am going through a million resumes -it quickly puts your resume on the bottom of the stack (Always sort, never delete).
 
2013-02-04 01:19:16 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats

The only jobs where a hat in an interview is a good idea is construction and as a cowboy.


It's a Goddamned shame that hats have gone out of fashion.  A Goddamned shame, I tell you.
 
2013-02-04 01:23:28 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Smeggy Smurf: sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats

The only jobs where a hat in an interview is a good idea is construction and as a cowboy.

Rabbi. (Only we don't call it a hat.)


TRADITIOOOON! TRADITION!!!
 
2013-02-04 01:28:01 PM  

CommiePuddin: Smeggy Smurf: sigdiamond2000: [img823.imageshack.us image 460x276]

Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats

The only jobs where a hat in an interview is a good idea is construction and as a cowboy.

It's a Goddamned shame that hats have gone out of fashion.  A Goddamned shame, I tell you.


Not mine.



www.cowboyhatstore.com
 
kab
2013-02-04 01:29:38 PM  
sigdiamond2000:
Some good advice for all you younger people just out of college and looking to enter the job market: Take off those stupid f*cking hats Stop liking what I don't like.
 
2013-02-04 01:29:41 PM  
<i>And those who are getting jobs aren't getting good, well-paying ones.  Bloomberg economist Joseph Brusuelas pointed out that the lowest-paid jobs are going the fastest: "the composition of jobs continues to reflect the low-wage bias in hiring that is one of the primary characteristics of the current business cycle," he wrote. Additionally, at least 8 million people are working part-time because they can't get full-time work. </i>

"Why should I hire skilled full-time workers and give them benefits when we can keep abusing the part-time peons I already have and buy another yacht?"
 
2013-02-04 01:36:11 PM  
I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."
 
2013-02-04 01:41:49 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: And girls, a little cleavage never hurts.


Actually, a lot of cleavage helps more.
 
2013-02-04 01:44:31 PM  
There is only one man around today who can wear a trilby and not look like a douchebag:

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kab
2013-02-04 01:46:38 PM  
FTA:
If you add those marginally attached workers - those able-bodied, willing to work, and unable to find jobs - to the number of unemployed, it gets closer to 15 million people out of work. That's a crisis.

That's not a crisis, that's the effect of a bunch of efforts that can all be filed under 'capitalistic efficiency'.  You should get used to this sort of number, because over the long haul it's not gonna be going down.

Time to change the social mindset about either a) what constitutes an average work week, or b) the idea that everyone has to  work to have the basic neccessities.  Until that happens, you're going to see a lot of angry fingers pointed at 'freeloaders'.
 
2013-02-04 01:47:07 PM  

GoodyearPimp: rumpelstiltskin: And girls, a little cleavage never hurts.

Actually, a lot of cleavage helps more.


I'm not convinced.  I may need photographic evidence of said cleavage before I make a decision

/EIP?
 
2013-02-04 01:54:08 PM  

China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."


With 5 years experience and a Masters Degree in each.
 
2013-02-04 01:58:38 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."

With 5 years experience and a Masters Degree in each.


10 years experience in Windows 8 Administration
 
2013-02-04 02:00:33 PM  
I also saw a BLS report that projected the careers that will be adding the most positions in the next decade pay about $20k and end in "aide".
 
2013-02-04 02:19:10 PM  

China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."


This. I've seen ads for "an accountant who is REALLY good with computers" and "full-time building maintenance (at a large manufacturing plant) who can also handle all shipping/receiving duties." I'm sure both companies are still biatching that they can't find any "qualified applicants."
 
2013-02-04 02:45:42 PM  
The reality is that the middle class has been paid more than we are actually worth for a decade or more.  This is merely a correction to reach equilibrium again.

/sad but true
 
2013-02-04 02:56:26 PM  

Myria: The reality is that the middle class has been paid more than we are actually worth for a decade or more.  This is merely a correction to reach equilibrium again.

/sad but true


With an assertion like that, how could it not be true?
 
2013-02-04 02:58:55 PM  

Myria: The reality is that the middle class has been paid more than we are actually worth for a decade or more.  This is merely a correction to reach equilibrium again.

/sad but true


That's been a really long correction then, since real wages have been declining since the mid-70s.
 
2013-02-04 03:02:10 PM  

WordyGrrl: China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."

This. I've seen ads for "an accountant who is REALLY good with computers" and "full-time building maintenance (at a large manufacturing plant) who can also handle all shipping/receiving duties." I'm sure both companies are still biatching that they can't find any "qualified applicants."


If they can find someone willing to the do job for $15/hour - why on Earth would they pay more?
 
2013-02-04 03:06:29 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: WordyGrrl: China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."

This. I've seen ads for "an accountant who is REALLY good with computers" and "full-time building maintenance (at a large manufacturing plant) who can also handle all shipping/receiving duties." I'm sure both companies are still biatching that they can't find any "qualified applicants."

If they can find someone willing to the do job for $15/hour - why on Earth would they pay more?


They can't.  They have to import people from India.
 
2013-02-04 03:18:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.

I've seen it (here in MA). More than once but probably from the same person. Other times people don't update their cover letter or resume for THIS job -addressing me as from some other corporation or typing the job title in as "Starbucks Barrista". If I am going through a million resumes -it quickly puts your resume on the bottom of the stack (Always sort, never delete).


Also helpful:  Professional or at least bland email addresses.  If you're using AOL or your email name is chula69 or sexybeast, I'm deleting you.
 
2013-02-04 03:21:34 PM  

China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."


I've been browsing job boards for a few months now, and it amazes me at what some HR people put on job listings.  I've read a large number of them that want someone to come in and manage their entire global production line, as well as field service and customer relations.  Requirements are multiple years experience, multiple degrees, and expert knowledge in management, mechanical, electrical, and software systems.  When you inquire as to the salary range?  $50-$70k/year for a job that could easily have you in the office for 60 hours a week.
 
2013-02-04 03:23:15 PM  

China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."


It's the curse of IT.  Non-IT people think if it has to do with computers or electronics of any kind, then you call IT.  They don't understand the difference between a DBA and a programmer--all they know is that they both work with computers so are therefore interchangeable.  Our network administrator at work gets it all the time and I feel bad for him.  "What do you mean you can't help with this SAP database?  You're an IT guy!"
 
2013-02-04 03:39:15 PM  

Driedsponge: When you inquire as to the salary range?  $50-$70k/year for a job that could easily have you in the office for 60 hours a week.


It's also why some of us are holed up in the jobs we have now; lack of opportunities to move.  Grass doesn't look so green over on the other side lately.
 
2013-02-04 03:43:13 PM  

brigid_fitch: Because People in power are Stupid: eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.

I've seen it (here in MA). More than once but probably from the same person. Other times people don't update their cover letter or resume for THIS job -addressing me as from some other corporation or typing the job title in as "Starbucks Barrista". If I am going through a million resumes -it quickly puts your resume on the bottom of the stack (Always sort, never delete).

Also helpful:  Professional or at least bland email addresses.  If you're using AOL or your email name is chula69 or sexybeast, I'm deleting you.


This is very much why I have a personal email that was made back when I was 14, and a professional email that I made recently. The professional one is my last night, first name, and middle initial.
 
2013-02-04 03:44:01 PM  

brigid_fitch: Non-IT people think if it has to do with computers or electronics of any kind, then you call IT.


YUP!  I work part-time for department-level IT at my university (it's not bad for a student job, mostly I just fix computers 'n stuff), and people just don't realize how complex this whole operation is (~40,000 students).  They don't get that just telling me "my internet doesn't work" (a) is insufficiently specific and (b) could be caused by any combination of a huge number of factors.
 
2013-02-04 03:51:28 PM  

Bondith: <i>And those who are getting jobs aren't getting good, well-paying ones.  Bloomberg economist Joseph Brusuelas pointed out that the lowest-paid jobs are going the fastest: "the composition of jobs continues to reflect the low-wage bias in hiring that is one of the primary characteristics of the current business cycle," he wrote. Additionally, at least 8 million people are working part-time because they can't get full-time work. </i>

"Why should I hire skilled full-time workers and give them benefits when we can keep abusing the part-time peons I already have and buy another yacht?"


And when we can push for immigration "reform" because we could really use 11 million newly-legal peasants to depress wages even further.
 
2013-02-04 03:56:39 PM  

Modguy: The professional one is my last night,...


cdn101.iofferphoto.com
 
2013-02-04 03:58:18 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: brigid_fitch: Non-IT people think if it has to do with computers or electronics of any kind, then you call IT.

YUP!  I work part-time for department-level IT at my university (it's not bad for a student job, mostly I just fix computers 'n stuff), and people just don't realize how complex this whole operation is (~40,000 students).  They don't get that just telling me "my internet doesn't work" (a) is insufficiently specific and (b) could be caused by any combination of a huge number of factors.


One of my most fun times as an engineer comes when I call for support from, say, the phone company and tell the guy who shows up, "I've isolated the problem to excessive resistance on the ring side of the drop. I think the protector has internal corrosion and needs to be replaced." I think that that's a little too specific for them.
 
2013-02-04 03:59:27 PM  

eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.


I've never seen it from the hiring end, but during the six months I lived in Texas, I often saw jobs posted for positions that had religious themes in them. I kept seeing one executive assistant position posted over and over again requiring someone with "a servant's heart" and I found that creepy as hell and really inappropriate.
 
2013-02-04 04:02:00 PM  

DjangoStonereaver


There is only one man around today who can wear a trilby and not look like a douchebag:


The hat isn't really the problem: it's the ill-fitting suit jacket.
 
2013-02-04 04:09:55 PM  

jjorsett: One of my most fun times as an engineer comes when I call for support from, say, the phone company and tell the guy who shows up, "I've isolated the problem to excessive resistance on the ring side of the drop. I think the protector has internal corrosion and needs to be replaced." I think that that's a little too specific for them.


Yeah, people who work those jobs aren't really used to users who can actually self-diagnose problems.  It's rather like walking into the doctor's office when you know EXACTLY what your problem is, and you know exactly what medicine you need---but they can't just write prescriptions by request.

/which is probably for the best
 
2013-02-04 04:27:04 PM  

Genevieve Marie: eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.

I've never seen it from the hiring end, but during the six months I lived in Texas, I often saw jobs posted for positions that had religious themes in them. I kept seeing one executive assistant position posted over and over again requiring someone with "a servant's heart" and I found that creepy as hell and really inappropriate.


The thing that makes it creepy is the fact that it isn't seen as inappropriate at all here. I'm seen as a weirdo for saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas and not telling every stranger I meet what church I go to (I don't go to church). My dad is afraid I won't find a job due to racial discrimination. I think I won't find one due to religious discrimination.
 
2013-02-04 04:34:43 PM  
 I kept seeing one executive assistant position posted over and over again requiring someone with "a servant's heart"

I believe that may be code for "slave".
 
2013-02-04 04:59:32 PM  

Genevieve Marie: eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.

I've never seen it from the hiring end, but during the six months I lived in Texas, I often saw jobs posted for positions that had religious themes in them. I kept seeing one executive assistant position posted over and over again requiring someone with "a servant's heart" and I found that creepy as hell and really inappropriate.


I've got one.  It's in a jar on my desk.
 
2013-02-04 05:10:32 PM  

Bondith: Genevieve Marie: eaglepuss: Because People in power are Stupid: When I gloss over the resumes received from craigslist -it might help if you don't bless me repeatedly and include your prayer to St Jude.

(Mary Images are also not relevant)

Are you making a joke or have you actually seen that? More than once? Living in the bible belt after being raised in CA, the amount of in-your-face-religiousness here is a bit shocking, but I didn't think people would extend it to job seeking. Creepy.

I've never seen it from the hiring end, but during the six months I lived in Texas, I often saw jobs posted for positions that had religious themes in them. I kept seeing one executive assistant position posted over and over again requiring someone with "a servant's heart" and I found that creepy as hell and really inappropriate.

I've got one.  It's in a jar on my desk.


Would a savant's heart be OK?
 
2013-02-04 05:12:04 PM  

jjorsett: Bondith: <i>And those who are getting jobs aren't getting good, well-paying ones.  Bloomberg economist Joseph Brusuelas pointed out that the lowest-paid jobs are going the fastest: "the composition of jobs continues to reflect the low-wage bias in hiring that is one of the primary characteristics of the current business cycle," he wrote. Additionally, at least 8 million people are working part-time because they can't get full-time work. </i>

"Why should I hire skilled full-time workers and give them benefits when we can keep abusing the part-time peons I already have and buy another yacht?"

And when we can push for immigration "reform" because we could really use 11 million newly-legal peasants to depress wages even further.


If they can't do that, they'll ship the jobs out of the country to where the "peasants" are - might as well have them here, where they'll at least spend some of their wages in our economy.
 
2013-02-04 05:20:37 PM  

Driedsponge: I've read a large number of them that want someone to come in and manage their entire global production line, as well as field service and customer relations.


Ha. I was desperate for a job when I got laid off. Got a job doing graphic design for a guy who worked with Wal-Mart, NASCAR, and college footballs making knick-nacks. I thought it was just a simple little gig pumping out fridge magnets and the like for $9/hr.
$9/hr. Keep that in mind.

Duties included:
Project management, overseeing the work of three other designers.
Liaising with NASCAR teams, individual college branding departments, and the Chinese company that produced the designs.
Producing ad material for the sales team.
Producing in-store displays for products.
Pump out fridge magnets and the like.

$9 farking dollars.
I was so happy I found another job that same week (after 3 months of nothing so much as a followup call).
 
2013-02-04 05:38:39 PM  

Swoop1809: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: China White Tea: I see a lot of (deeply amusing) job listings for tech people that pretty much read, "Must be an expert in database design and administration, network engineering, programming, technical writing, Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris, DOS, Apache, IIS, vehicular maintenance, knitting, HVAC, and plumbing.  $15/hour."

With 5 years experience and a Masters Degree in each.

10 years experience in Windows 8 Administration


Can insert USB devices first try, every try.
 
2013-02-04 05:51:57 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Driedsponge: I've read a large number of them that want someone to come in and manage their entire global production line, as well as field service and customer relations.

Ha. I was desperate for a job when I got laid off. Got a job doing graphic design for a guy who worked with Wal-Mart, NASCAR, and college footballs making knick-nacks. I thought it was just a simple little gig pumping out fridge magnets and the like for $9/hr.
$9/hr. Keep that in mind.

Duties included:
Project management, overseeing the work of three other designers.
Liaising with NASCAR teams, individual college branding departments, and the Chinese company that produced the designs.
Producing ad material for the sales team.
Producing in-store displays for products.
Pump out fridge magnets and the like.

$9 farking dollars.
I was so happy I found another job that same week (after 3 months of nothing so much as a followup call).


I want to call BS, but I just can't. This is too believable.
 
2013-02-04 05:58:43 PM  
Obvious tag couldn't live on the wage they offered for this headline.
 
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